@LOU MontanaRE: "Behind every Trump bill is someone who will make
money"...---Why are Democrats so against people making money?You like to make money... don't you?You like having a
job... don't you?Why against people in Southern Utah having
jobs and making money?===Is it only OK when Democrats
make money?-Hillary Clinton made money. $240 Million between
2001-2015 (Forbes Magazine). Sec of State salary = $186,600.-Barack Obama
is a multi-millionaire after 8 years in office. He wasn't before politics.
He was earning $85K/year before politics. He made $20 Million in 8 years as
President (President salary = $400K/year).-What about the Kennedy family?
George Soros? John Kerry? AL Gore?Lots of Democrats make money (some
from politics, land, even energy).Warren Buffet (rich democrat) got rich
off real-estate.The point is...People make money (Ds and Rs).
Didn't start when Trump became President.Families in Southern
Utah need jobs and money just like you and I.It's inconsistent
if it's only wrong when the wrong people (Non-Democrats) make money.If Americans make money when Trump makes a decision... I'm OK with
RE: "Shrinking Bears Ears is undemocratic"...---That's
what you get when you have a law that allows one person (President) to make
decisions without a vote of the people, or our elected representatives.Shrinking it was "Undemocratic" (no vote).Forming it was
"Undemocratic" (no vote).Don't pretend forming it was
Democratic, but shrink not. Both used the same process (Undemocratic process of
one man decisions). AA is just as undemocratic when used by one
President as it is for another.Be consistent.===RE: "The decision to shrink public lands for use aside from
preservation and exploration leads to a dangerous precedent"...---So much mis-information there.#1. No public land shrank. Land
was removed from the NM but it's still public land. you know that...
right?#2. Why is it dangerous to move land outside a NM? It's
still managed by Feds.==RE: "This decision blatantly
ignores the voice of the people"...---#1. Doesn't
ignore the voice of the people. There was no vote. We don't rule by media
polls.#2. It's a lie that every poll shows the people
don't want it reduced.Google "Majority of Utahns favors
trimming Bears Ears" (SL Trib)
Behind every Trump bill is someone who will make a lot of money.
Who sys those wanting a monument are not after money. "A
Facebook promotion details that for a pledge of $10,000, the donor will receive
a guided hike with Josh Ewing, Friends of Cedar Mesa's executive director,
to secret sites.""The draft memo raised questions, too, over
other Friends of Cedar Mesa media productions, including the Patagonia-funded
"Defined by the Line — A Film About the Fight to Save Bears Ears."
The 2015 film shows Ewing climbing into an archaeological site and
picking up a pottery shard...."
If the public voted on this issue, how many citizens would really know the facts
about Trump's actions and how many would rely on propaganda fed to them by
liberal media outlets?
These lands haven't been lost, stolen, or sold as a result of Mr
Trump's actions. They are still under federal control. Public access to
them has simply been increased. How is this less democratic?
"I strongly disagree with the decision to reduce public lands at Bears Ears
and Grand Staircase."Here is the deal. I think it was a stupid
politically driven move as well.... but.... let's not loose our minds about
this. These lands are still public lands. Period. They didn't transfer
over to any private group. They didn't become state managed lands. They
will still be some of the most tightly managed lands by the BLM.What
this does mean though is ranchers will still get access to the land, but by
losing its status, it will also lose investment to protect and improve those
lands. The monument still stands. The native Americans once again were over
looked in this process - their voices ignored. Would be mining interest and
their proxy "Bishop" have a moral victory - and not much more.And when Trump leaves office, the pendulum will swing the other way, and there
still won't be stability for anyone in the region. They will still be the
puppets of Hatch and Bishop who feed them false hope of prosperity on public
lands.And so it goes.... not much changes.
Creation and shrinking was undemocratic. Guess what, we don't live in a
democracy. We live in a republic. These monuments will change size again until
we remove the power from the president. The next Conservative president could
remove them altogether. The next liberal president could declare our entire
state a monument and require us all to move. He could even declare us nuisances
and say we need to be exterminated. I was thirteen before the last
extermination order was rescinded, I wonder when the next one will come.
I'm expecting it within a few years, judging by how sure some people are of
their points of view.
The creation of these national monuments was undemocratic too. This
is a problem. The president has too much power to create (and now shrink)
national monuments at will. Democracy plays no role in it. Earlier
controversies have limited the president's power a little but only in
Wyoming and Alaska. I think it should be limited nationwide.