Bannon aside, he is what he is and is liked by many for being unafraid to utter
what he believes. It is refreshing to find anyone in the political spectrum
unafraid of saying something without running a focus group, ie. the Clintons.
Romney has spent his integrity with the conservatives with his many
flipflops, his habit of being willing to deal away principle for a deal, and his
record of governing as a barely Republican. He wants to be our Senator--why
change Orin Hatch for a 13 year younger version who will probably last for 3
terms. Let's keep Hatch if that's the choice, at least given his age,
he won't be there much longer. Remember Hatch's election campaign
slogan when he ran against Senator Moss was, " What do you call a Senator
that has served for two terms. You call him home." Hatch promised only two
terms, he is in his seventh. And considering rerunning. We
don't need another Hatch in the form of Mitt. Let's look for a
Just to lend Credence to what Rick for Truth said, I was born in 1948. Nobody I
knew wanted to go to the Rice Paddies. A lot of those who were going to be
drafted joined the Navy, Coast Guard or some other branch of the service and
spent an extra year so they wouldn't get drafted and sent there. I served a
mission at the same time as Romney, and while there the lottery was put in
place. My # was 225 so I escaped the draft. My next door neighbor who served at
the same time had a # of 14 and he joined the army so he could have some say in
what he would be doing. A companion of mine was drafted and killed in Viet Nam
so anyone that thinks that church service kept one from dying in the rice
paddies has some bad information. It cracks me up every time I hear someone
castigate those who did not serve as I didn't know of anyone who wanted to
volunteer to be shot at. Kudos however to those who did serve in the armed
forces and did so honorably.
@L WhiteExcept she didn't say she forged the entire yearbook entry.
She only said she added the location/date at the end which any casual glance at
the entry would show that part looks like different handwriting than the rest of
I wonder if Mr. Romney and all those who judged Roy Moore will apologize now
that Ms. Nelson publicly admitted that she forged the yearbook entry, as
reported by CNN today? Romney was caught on the wrong side of the
Roy Moore issue. The Left was caught on the wrong side of the Roy Moore issue.
I don't expect the Left to understand that we're all innocent until
proven guilty, but I would hope that Romney understands that concept.
Mike Richards - South Jordan, Utah wrote: The mud slinging from the Deseret News
does nothing to enhance its image. Surely the Deseret News has better things to
do than to pretend that the accusations against Roy Moore are factual when the
rest of the nation has learned that the forged yearbook signature included
Moore's assistant's initials "D.A" (Delbert Adams). Adams
added his initials to divorce decrees to validate Moore's stamped
signature. The above is just what you want to believe. No such proof of a forged
year book has been established. Please stop feeding into the low information
fake news movement.
banliberals - Bountiful, UT wrote: Romney accusations are indefensible and below
the dignity of a Utahn! We can do better than a Michigan raised, Massachusetts
liberal to represent our state. Wasn't Ted Chappa Kennedy from
Massachusetts? I'm not sure what point your comment is trying to make but
having lived in both States, I can tell you without hesitation, that for me,
Massachusetts scores higher on all aspects with regards to the quality of life,
and by far, than does UT. FWIW.
Bannon is that architect of then candidate Trump now President Trump. So many
here are put off by his message but fully throw their support behind Trump, roy
Moore, etc. What kind of logic is leads to those types of choices?
The Party of Lincoln -- the party that saved the Union and abolished slavery --
has in the past 30 years devolved to one singular focus and become the Party of
Tax Cuts, practically at any costs.Most recently, it has devolved
even further into the Party of Trump, Moore, and Bannon. The party will end
For all those who say we shouldn't judge Roy Moore--can you honestly say
you didn't judge Barack Obama? Or Bill Clinton? My guess is no.When you run for office, you are explicitly asking the voters to judge you. If
they form a positive view, they'll vote for you. If they don't,
they'll vote for your opponent.To pretend that we voters should
now ignore somebody's character because we shouldn't judge is a
perversion of the "Judge Not" principle. We shouldn't pass judgment
on our friends, our family members, people in church, etc. But we
absolutely should be judging candidates running for office. If we don't,
then we are not doing our duty as citizens.
I have researched the data for the writers. Mitt Romney had a draft lottery
number of 300 (3-12-47).The highest number ever called up for a
physical was 215, and for the birth year 1947, the highest number drafted was
195.Romney never would have been drafted reguardless of a missionary
call to France, attendance of BYU, marriage, or having children.Mr.
Bannon’s claims are inaccurate and untrue.
I do not approve of what Mr. Bannon said about Mr. Romney nor do I approve of
what Mr. Romney said about Mr. Moore, Donald Trump, and others. I wouldn't
vote for either one. Mr. Moore deserves a day in court not a sentence
pronounced in the press by those who have a public platform based on evidence
that hasn't been proved. Mitt Romney isn't impressing me at all with
some of the attacking things he has done in the last year. I wish he would
behave better himself and leave Mr. Moore's morality to Mr. Moore, God and
the courts, not the court of public opinion. I too am LDS and support the
values that are taught in the Scriptures. Mr. Bannon will have to answer for
himself also but not to me, the public, unless he breaks the law.
I like Steve Bannon.... very smart and accomplished guy that often speaks the
unpolished and un-politically correct truth. Don't agree with everything
Bannon says but the guy is someone I always want to hear from. Bannon is 100%
right about Romney and he has a point about mission service dodging the draft.
We all know that it was used for that exact purpose by many during Viet Nam. I
would have been one of the them had I been 19 during that time but I was in Jr.
High. !! The Viet Nam war was the worst war in American history and should have
never been fought. I honor those who fought. I don't dishonor those who
protested or found a way to dodge the war (lds mission) so long and those same
don't trash the brave soldiers who did fight.
Is it possible that those who lecture us on right and wrong by telling us of
Trump and Moore's "ungodliness" would have us believe that Bill
Clinton, Hillary Clinton and Obama are "godly". Is it possible that
those who selectively twist scripture to justify their hatred of Trump and Moore
have forgotten the scriptural requirements for freedom in America? What is the
first requirement? Isn't it that we worship Jesus Christ? So why did
Obama forbid chaplains from preaching Christ to the troops? Why did Obama forbid
soldiers from even having a Bible on their desks? Roy Moore is a
devout Christian. For that the Left hates him. Trump openly worships Christ.
He has singlehandedly restored Chirstmas to government. No wonder the Left
hates him. The Left lectures us on morality even as Bill Clinton
stills roams our streets, even as Harvey Weinstein, one of their chief donors,
still walks freely, even as one of their Senators just resigned a few hours ago
because of sexual relations, even as anti-Trump media critics were fired, even
as anti-Trump Hollywood crumbles. What message are we really hearing
from the Left? Where is their virtue?
Mike Richards,Judging is a tricky topic, is it not? When you vote,
are you not judging? When we determine a candidate, whether to vote for them or
not, are we not judging?Now to put another twist on your reference
to scripture in support of Trump and Moore--what does the Book of Mormon say
about this land in relation to its government leaders? What does the Book of
Mormon warn about if the people sustain, support, and vote for leaders who are
immoral and corrupt?
Republicans elected Trump - along with Steve Bannon and they fully back Roy
Moore.Sorry, Republicans no longer HAVE moral authority....
Pharisees prided themselves on their deeds. They pounded their chests and
announced to the world how righteous they were. They condemned anyone who dared
extend a hand of friendship to "sinners". They condemned Christ because
he had compassion for "sinners". They reviled Christ and demanded that
he die because of their self-worship, pretending that they were better than the
master. Those who attack Trump, including Romney, should ask
themselves why they flaunt their "worthiness" to judge others when
Christ condemned those "self-appointed and self-righteous" judges. Did not Isaiah tell us that Kings would carry Israel? Trump is
supporting Israel against the wishes of the Right and against the wishes of the
Left. His critics are only building a case against themselves. Romney has not been appointed Trump's judge nor has he been appointed
Moore's judge. His missionary service should have taught him that concept.
No one commenting on this thread is righteous enough to judge anyone else, no
matter how hard they pound their chest and pat themselves on the back.
airnaut - Everett, WADec. 7, 2017 9:28 a.m.Thank you for your
service in the armed forces, and mission. Strongly agree with your comment.Never defend the indefensible.
Mike Richards -- I served an LDS Missionandserved in the
US Military.I also support having men and women of integrity and
honor representing us in congress -- openly supporting sexual predators or
pedophiles for a party vote is what Mitt Romney was saying was NOT right for the
party OR the nation.It's not worth selling your soul or the soul of a
nation...Like Jeff Flake wrote -- Principles over Party
Esquire - Springville, UT"Boyd dodged the big elephant in the
room. Bannon supports Trump, who evaded the draft...." Bill
Clinton evaded the draft by going to England, another big elephant in the room
that Boyd dodged.
"If you're not with me, I hate you" seems to be Bannon's core
principle. Utah's GOP delegation seems to be cowering in a corner, too
worried about their own futures to separate themselves from Bannon's
Bannon has the facts correct. Men did die in Viet Nam while Mitt was on a
mission. As for Moore as soon as I read the info was from the Wash Post I
considered it suspect. And now bring it up 38 years later just before an
election? Moreover some at least of the whistleblowers are also suspect, there
is forgery, and likely lying. At least it appears that his sins if true are
quite mild next to Bill Clinton, John Conyers, Franken,etc.
Could you guys that say the yearbook signature is fake provide your source.
Only sources I can find are Roy Moore himself or his far right surrogates on Fox
and talk radio. Not exactly a convincing group.For some of you
members of the LDS church who don't like Mitt that's fine, but go
listen to what Bannon said. It was an a condemnation of every member of the LDS
church who served a mission and did not go war in Vietnam. The Republicans are
not your friends. Remember Mike Huckabee and the cult comments? Had the so
called southern Christians voted for Romney he would have won. They however
came out strong for a serial adulter and admitted groper. Why no support for
Mitt, ask a southern Christian if Mormons are Christian and more often than not
they will say no. Another proud day for our Utah delegation as they
huddle in the corner afraid to use their backbone and take a stand. Their
silence speaks volumes about their character.
@Karen RIf you wonder why voters in Alabama tend to embrace people
that are above the law you need only follow their history.During the
years of Jim Crow laws and beyond they have always been anti civil rights, anti
woman rights, in other words, fertile ground for the GOP.
To Roy Moore supporters:There are nine women with allegations
against him. Not just the one. Nine.And how does Moore, who was
twice removed from the bench for refusing to abide by the rule of law, get off
the hook with the "rule of law" loving crowd?I think some
conservatives have a lot more in common with the Clintons than they care to
Banliberals,I recommend you do a little research regarding the
“binders of women” quote attributes to Romney. I am confident you
will discover it has nothing to do with what you think. I again
state that Bannon and Trump are morally bankrupt, visionless, weak, divisive,
and unworthy of any political position or recognition. Romney, on the other
hand, remains above the fray and deserving of our support.Don’t let undeserved loyalty to party compromise moral values and
Mitt Romney has shown through his many years of being the public eye that he is
one to be trusted, he loves and supports our Veterans, he an honest and faithful
husband, father and grandfather and he loves our USA. He is a shining example of
character traits, honesty and trust. He is not perfect as none of us are not
perfect but he loves this our United States of America.
It's ignorant to equate working for the military to actually volunteering
to serve on a mission. Everyone who serves in the military is paid from day
one, while those serving missions pay from day one. Signing up for the
military is a job opportunity, while serving a mission is doing God's work.
And just who is qualified to decide who has the moral authority?Until Roy Moore is put on trial and found guilty, is it an issue?
@Mike Richards,FYI - I don't watch CNN. I believe the 9
women.I'm a Conservative. I think it's far worse to have a
pedophile in office than to lose to a Democrat. Conservatism isn't worth a
thing if it's based on Hypocrisy.Principle over Party.Conyers is out. Franken is out. Entertainers have already been ousted. Time
for Trump and Moore to pay for their sexual sins.
I am afraid we 'Mormons' are turning a lot of people off us - with
such naive (at best) views about the alleged superiority of a man (M. Romney)
who is so quick to judge another without (actually) credible evidence. I
have actually been following the case of Roy Moore and his accusers and the more
I examine the 'evidence' the more I believe Mr Moore is innocent of
things of which he is accused. I would also draw the attention of
those professing the 'Mormon' faith (my own faith) that the Book of
Mormon states quite plainly: the same that judgeth rashly shall be judged
rashly again; for according to his works shall his wages be. ... Mormon 8:19That which you apply to Mr Bannon also applies to you. There will be a
day of reckoning for all of us.
We need to keep in mind that we'll have the Trump-Bannon ticket for another
four years, four years of insults. This is a time to think hard who we are and
who we want to have as our President in four years. It will be difficult to undo
all the harm to the environment, reverse the tax cuts to the billionaires and
restore the respect of women and minorities for the GOP but it can be done. I
reject Trump and Bannon's rhetoric but again, we Americans, have to take
responsibility for having given the presidency to them.
Trump had divided the LDS. Both Mitt and Hatch are faithful members but disagree
on Trump. Trump isn't impressive. He attacks anyone who disagrees with
him. Everything Mitt touches turns to gold. He is totally successfull and a man
of high integrity. He raised 5 sons who have turned out good. A remarkable
accomplishment. I am forever a Romney man. Bannon is highly suspectable. Look
at their records. Nothing else to say.
Bannon doesn't have the moral authority to say what he did about Romney and
Mormons.But Utah Republicans have themselves abdicated moral
authority in how they've become beholden to Trump, or refuse to condemn
him, such as Orrin Hatch becoming a devoted follower, and Mike Lee awkwardly
avoiding any hint of criticism of Trump - who is Bannon's political
soulmate.Prime example: the love fest right here in Utah on Monday.
Eastcoastcoug,So, I should believe CNN? I should believe a woman who
lied about having seen Moore in his divorce court? I should believe a noted
Democrat lawyer just before an important Senate race, when handwriting experts
told us that the yearbook entry was CLEARLY a forgery? At least you got one
thing right. Moore was the Assistant District Attorney at the time of the
alleged incident. At no time has he ever signed his name "Roy Moore,
D.A.". Believe whomever you wish. As Lincoln told us, you can
fool some of the people all of the time . . . With only one seat in the Senate
separating the parties, I choose to believe that the Democrats are desperate
enough to say anything to gain power. When Democrats get serious about
prosecuting all of their own sex offenders, starting with Clinton, then maybe we
can trust them. Until then, None of their claims should be believed.
Boyd dodged the big elephant in the room. Bannon supports Trump, who evaded the
draft with phony bone spurs, which happened to heal whenever he got a deferment,
yet he condemns Romney for providing service for 2 1/2 years in France. What
hypocrisy! Trust me, Mormons, Trump and his team don't really like you
(us). Don't be fooled. They are not your friends.@
Unreconstructed Reb, I agree completely. Silence when convenient, offended when
dragged into it. No profile in courage there....@ Mike Richards,
that's so far out of touch with the facts and reality that your position
can't be given any credibility. Roy Moore is bad, bad news.
Bannon needs to know that there are many many LDS folks that have done both in
terms of service to their church and their country. I have two nephews that
graduated from West Point, served two year LDS missions, and fought in both Iraq
and Afghanistan for 8 years. The two activities are certainly not mutually
Steve Bannon was very clearly dog-whistling about Mormons in the heart of the
Bible Belt, and I'm happy that the DN is taking him to task for it.But what about all the other things Steve Bannon espouses that should be
disturbing and dangerous to all thoughtful Americans? Why is it that Mormons
only take a firm stand when it's our own ox getting gored? Why give him a
pass until now?Our general passivity towards (and among too many of
us even outright support for) Bannon's agenda is deeply disappointing.
The definition of irony - campaigning for Roy Moore and accusing Romney of
having no moral authority. Name the topic and Mr. Bannon makes it easy to pick
the side opposite his.
@MikeRichards,'...when the rest of the nation has learned that
the forged yearbook signature included Moore's assistant's
initials'.At least that part of the nation who reads
Bannon's Breitbart news. 'DA' stands for District Attorney (he
was the assistant DA) and it's part of someone's signature, especially
one trying to impress a HS girl.More importantly, five women have
accused Moore plus police and other townspeople who knew Moore hung out at the
Mall looking for young girls. What is more suspicious is the stubborn defense of
a sexual predator and acting like we will be taken over by Communist agents if
we vote in a Democrat. Bannon and his cabal should have thought about that and
vetted their candidate better.
What a bigoted hypocrite. I had deferments for 6 years with attendance at the
University of Utah and an LDS mission. I was not trying to hide behind anything.
I was planning on doing both long before the Vietnam War draft was instituted.
And how about Bannon's hero Trump, who used student deferments and a
dubious medical deferment. He was hiding behind alleged bone spurs, while he was
actively playing basketball, tennis, and squash at the time.
@David....He is not abusive, loud, abnoxious, repulsive, ignorant, or dangerous.
That would be Bannon and Trump.Neither Bannon or Trump have binders
of women, unlike was alleged of Romney during his failed campaign to oust the
worst POTUS in history!
@banliberals,As a Conservative, Romney's accusations are
exactly what Utah and the USA need. Anyone who doesn't call out a Child
Molester is not doing his Human or Christian duty. We should never stay silent,
and to do so for political reasons is pure hypocrisy.And what about
the value of military service? Bannon led the Alabama GOP to denounce John
McCain who spent 7 years as a Vietnamese POW. Now we are supposed to
accept that military service overrides all other moral conduct (I'm not
sure how it exonerates child molestation). Could John McCain be forgiven of
denouncing Trump because he was a POW? I'm sick and tired of
moral equivocating over politics. Our morals and values mean nothing if we
don't stand up for what is right. Child molestation is wrong and
disqualifies anyone from serving in office. How dare we suggest anything
otherwise!Btw, I don't care for a lot of liberal philosophies
but in this country, we 'ban' no one.
"Society must not let the likes of Steve Bannon or Roy Moore define
“honor and integrity.” Oh. So now, after supporting
Trump and Trump's supporters, NOW you have the guts to call out Bannon? As
long as he was railing against muslims, blacks and hispanics, he was OK? But, I
guess the line in the sand is attacking a mormon.
The mud slinging from the Deseret News does nothing to enhance its image.
Surely the Deseret News has better things to do than to pretend that the
accusations against Roy Moore are factual when the rest of the nation has
learned that the forged yearbook signature included Moore's
assistant's initials "D.A" (Delbert Adams). Adams added his
initials to divorce decrees to validate Moore's stamped signature. Ms.
Nelson, who "produced" the yearbook, and who claimed that she had no
contact with Moore since the alleged incident, had Moore as the Judge in her
divorce. She had his stamped signature along with Delbert Adams' initials
in her possession. Moore NEVER signed that yearbook, yet the Deseret News
editorial has declared him guilty. Why? Where is the verdict? When was a trial
held? Since when is a person guilty when a political opponent
"produces" a fake entry in a yearbook? So what if Romney
finds fault with Trump? Why should Utah care about the former Governor of
Massachusetts says? If he wants to play Hillary's game to get elected to
the Senate, then he is just another politician who will claim fidelity to a
State just to get elected.
banliberals--Romney is widely and almost universally recognized as
moral, intelligent, fair, balance, moderate, wise, a great man and a great
leader.He is not abusive, loud, abnoxious, repulsive, ignorant, or
dangerous. That would be Bannon and Trump.
This political season is mind-numbing. We just had a Republican love-in at the
Capitol where most of the Republican delegation (and all Mormon) celebrated
Donald Trump's latest good deed (presumably) for Utah. But we also have
Trump's wing man denigrating Mormonism. It's nuts.BTW,
Bannon is a proto-fascist and extremely dangerous IMHO.
Romney accusations are indefensible and below the dignity of a Utahn! We can do
better than a Michigan raised, Massachusetts liberal to represent our state.
Wasn't Ted Chappa Kennedy from Massachusetts?
Bannon's hateful rhetoric is a stain on our society. His assertion that
Mitt Romney does not have character has about as much validity as a pig looking
at a horse and calling it dirty because it has mud on its hooves. Bannon is
exactly the kind of man that creates a culture in which abuse is accepted. There
is no room for his rhetoric in our society. I don't care if you're
democrat or republican, but this man has no place in either party. Any
endorsement by him should be a red flag on any potential political candidate.
The fact is that Utah is #53 of 55 states and territories in per capita service
in the US Armed Forces. So, those individuals that join the military are a
breed-far-above-the-rest. Military service isn't for everyone, and only
about the top-30% (physical, mental, medical..) of the US population qualifies
to join.Bannon is a narrow-minded bigoted individual that can't
think past his most current comment. He says the education deferments in the
draft is arguable, but LDS missions are indefensible? Religious freedom is
written in the constitution, but education deferments are NOT "rights."
Religious conviction has a higher priority than education any day (per the US
Constitution).As a 3rd-generation Army volunteer, I see a two-years
of religious deferment as more honorable SERVICE, then the 7+ years of education
deferments the dump-Trump was given. Bannon needs to go back to