Ty Detmer's nephew Zadock Dinkelmann decommits from BYU

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  • Eastern CO Coug Elizabeth, CO
    Dec. 8, 2017 9:48 a.m.

    @Poyman You forget they failed miserably in early season when they were much more healthy - like games 1 through 5 with an experience QB. Can't get past the 50 yard line against LSU. Come on many

  • Common-Tator Saint Paul, MN
    Dec. 8, 2017 7:59 a.m.

    "Then I'm going to ask Heisman Ty to think about coming to USU where he will be treated with dignity and respect for the nice man he is."

    Sep 29/30, 1989, while doing grad studies at BYU, I took a group of Boy Scouts camping up Logan Canyon, then to the BYU-USU football game. Ty Detmer was just coming into his own as the BYU QB that season. Early in the second half, the undersized QB had already proven to be the dominate force on the field. He threw a long pass down the right sideline, which had everyone's attention focused on the result ... until everyone looked back and saw two Aggie players holding Ty on the ground swinging their fists at him. The benches immediately cleared.

    I don't believe that action to be typical of all USU players or fans. But I don't think Ty has fond memories of "dignity and respect" at Logan and USU. Keep thinking positively, though!

  • poyman Lincoln City, OR
    Dec. 7, 2017 11:38 a.m.

    "... Love Detmer, but he had these guys going in the wrong direction."
    ******************
    There's not a coach in the land that could have had "the guys" going in the right direction with a 5th string Freshman QB, all RBs injured and using a 6th string QB as your main RB, a WR group that is and was probably the worst that this Program has had since the early 70's, numerous injuries on both sides of the ball, etc. Put that load on any 2nd year OC and the results would be the same. Detmer had to end up coaching recruits that he didn't make... Yet he's held accountable for their inability to perform? Please.

    Holmoe and Sitake have messed this Program up big time... Mendenhall saw this coming under Holmoe's leadership and he bolted... Good move for him. The recruiting classes he left were weak however.

    Holmoe should have been gone in 2011 and now I suspect that both Sitake and Holmoe will eventually be leaving Provo (sooner rather than later) without a legacy or even a job.

    They have managed to sever the our main tie to Texas recruits... There is not a HS QB recruit that is going to be happy signing in with this bunch unless he is a 2 star or a low 3 star.

  • goosehuntr Tooele, UT
    Dec. 7, 2017 8:37 a.m.

    Couple of things were at issue at least from what I understand from those close to the program... Players were not doing what Ty was asking them to do. Where all the moving parts have to do what has been designed, when players unplug, it falls apart. Also, the reformulating the offense based on ever changing players moving in and out of the revolving injury door. Ty was the scapegoat. Poor decision to relieve him instead of help him at this early stage. There will not be a quick fix here. If after a good four years, and the offense still sucks, you need to do it. But 2 yrs is way too soon to pull the plug. BYU is on a bad trajectory. If I was a top recruit, there is no way I would play at the Y. No way. Nothing to play for.

  • Eastern CO Coug Elizabeth, CO
    Dec. 7, 2017 6:48 a.m.

    Oh No! The sky is falling! Actually, there is plenty to be optimistic about. We have some very great transfers coming in. The OL and DL will be better. Remember we have the superman Hoge on the OL coming from Notre Dame, Kirby from OSU and a bunch of others. And sorry to say, our offense will be much better going forward. No way will it be worse. It cannot be any worse than the bottom of the NCAA Division I. Love Detmer, but he had these guys going in the wrong direction. Most of the skill players are back. Plenty of reason for optimism because the only direction possible is up in my opinion. And Sitake is a great recruiter. You will see.

  • poyman Lincoln City, OR
    Dec. 6, 2017 11:25 p.m.

    Neomotololo should have been made Head Coach 2 years ago, and Ainge should have been made AD years ago... and both should have been paid what they would command on the open market.

    Both Holmoe and Sitake are apprentices... perhaps some day Sitake can mature into a Journeyman HC... Holmoe should be long gone.

    Both appear to be good people, but their Resume and ability to achieve results simply aren't there.

  • poyman Lincoln City, OR
    Dec. 6, 2017 10:52 p.m.

    BYU's Football Program appears to be in free fall... Holmoe and Sitake had to know that this would happen when they made the decision to make Detmer the scapegoat.

    Holmoe for sure, and possibly even Sitake need to be given walking papers.

    This is a very tough time to be a "proud and happy" cougar fan. Holmoe had both the FB Program and the BB Programs (both men and women) in a steep decline. It's time that the President of the University does his job and make some changes at the top of the Department.

  • Musketman Stansbury Park, UT
    Dec. 6, 2017 11:50 a.m.

    Bomar, your right. He will go to Stanford, People forget one of the top Coaches at Stanford, is a Active LDS Coach. He has actually recruited some very talented LDS kids in the last 8 years(Including Tayosm Hill). He was even in the running to be offered the BYU HC job.

  • Bomar Roberts, ID
    Dec. 6, 2017 8:55 a.m.

    Tanner McKee will not sign with the Cougars, a bit of information is he's 90% Stanford with Texas and Washington next in line. Only hope is he changes his mind during his mission.

  • There You Go Again St George, UT
    Dec. 5, 2017 10:27 p.m.

    I was so looking forward to Greg and Mark doing their broad cast with Zadock Dinklemann as the starting QB.

    I like the name Zadock Dinklemann.

    I think Zadock Dinklemann would have been on the all name team at BYU.

    I hope Zadock Dinklemann finds a good landing spot after decommitting from BYU.

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    Dec. 5, 2017 9:30 p.m.

    For those fans of you who think losing Detmer cost you Zadock, perhaps you should look at it through another lens: as in were it not for the fact that Detmer was Zadock's uncle, he never would have even LOOKED at the whY?

    Now we're about to find out how true cougnation's claims that it was Zadock who'd backed away from LSU, rather than the other way around. If LSU offers him again, then that would have validated it. But if they do NOT, then that would just confirm what I'd long suspected: LSU backed off of HIM!

    And for the record, as of today, LSU has no QBs committed to their 2018 class.

  • gchris rock springs, wy
    Dec. 5, 2017 9:04 p.m.

    Detmer had to run his offense without a healthy quarterback and ended up using a fifth string freshman. He never had a healthy running back all season and ended the year using a quarterback at running back. The rest of his offense was decimated by injuries and he was running his offense with players he didn't recruit. Detmer got the shaft and Sitake just lost one
    of the top quarterback recruits in the country--probably one who could actually run Detmer's offense. BYU will be lucky to win four games next year and then maybe they will give Sitake's job to Detmer, who probably should have had it in the first place.

  • AggieAndee Holladay, UT
    Dec. 5, 2017 9:04 p.m.

    I'm writing Mr. Detmer a letter apologizing at how he was treated. I guess what do you expect from BYU though.

    Then I'm going to ask Heisman Ty to think about coming to USU where he will be treated with dignity and respect for the nice man he is. He would do well with the Aggie offense and I bet he would enjoy playing BYU after how he was treated. That would be awesome.

  • WACPaddingOurSchedule pocatello, ID
    Dec. 5, 2017 7:49 p.m.

    Bluto - Sandy, UT
    Dec. 5, 2017 6:32 p.m.
    @Aggie Andee

    "USU has surpassed BYU in football".

    LOL

    Will never happen.
    BYU draws 55-60k for home games, even in bad years....
    Aggieville draws 18k.
    _____

    So the more attendance, the better a team is overall?
    Geez. Michigan and Ohio State should be winning the national title every other year.

  • dpal Provo, UT
    Dec. 5, 2017 7:00 p.m.

    This announcement is no surprise. Wish Zadock well wherever he ends up.

  • Bluto Sandy, UT
    Dec. 5, 2017 6:32 p.m.

    @Aggie Andee

    "USU has surpassed BYU in football".

    LOL

    Will never happen.
    BYU draws 55-60k for home games, even in bad years....
    Aggieville draws 18k.

  • Stringer Bell Salt Lake City, UT
    Dec. 5, 2017 6:17 p.m.

    Bluto: “The inability to remove lineman who aren't cutting it, was another."

    And replace them with who? BYU-P has no quality depth.

    DeanVtrc: "This happens almost every time there is a major coaching change. BYU will likely receive a committ from the connections of whom ever they hire as the new OC."

    What kind of “commit” is a new OC from the likes of Snow College going to bring with him? Detmer certainly didn’t bring anyone along from that tiny HS he came from. In relevant programs this is true. Sadly, USU has now surpassed you.

  • BlueHusky Mission Viejo, CA
    Dec. 5, 2017 4:54 p.m.

    Wow. What a lot of great advice. Naturally, Coach Sitake pours over these comments for ideas and advice. He'd be a fool not to. And it is free advice, too. Here is my advice, Coach. Don't read any of these comments. Including mine.

  • idablu Idaho Falls, ID
    Dec. 5, 2017 4:06 p.m.

    @robo
    Seriously? You don’t think Detmer shoulders any blame for the horrific performance by the offense this year? All the bad decisions and all the bad play calls were Sitake’s? Really? Seeing how ineffective Mangum was this year, naming Hill the starter was the right call last year, which was indeed Detmer’s call, one of the few good decisions he made.
    I’m on the fence as to the decision to fire Detmer this year or give him one more year to redeem himself. However once the decision was made, Sitake should have fired the receivers coach and the DC also. The defense was NOT good this year.

  • Desert Sage USA, NV
    Dec. 5, 2017 3:48 p.m.

    So many of the comments here are shocking to me. To blame Holmoe, or even Sitake, for the offense's lack of production defies logic. Every single offensive play was called by Detmer. The play designs were Detmer's. Detmer was the QB coach as well. After two years as OC, Detmer never did get BYU to the point where they could efficiently pass the ball. Don't you wonder why Taysom Hill's passing ability has now impressed two NFL head coaches, but never worked under Detmer? Haven't you wondered why Tanner Magnum regressed from his freshman year? Sitake didn't want to have to fire Detmer. They're close friends. But he had to do it to save the program. The criticism for not firing him would have been 10 times worse than what he's receiving now from the "blame it on Holmoe or Sitake" crowd. How else is he supposed to " handle it"? Can anyone name a single college football coach who thinks it was a mistake to fire Detmer? Ty's a great guy who, if he stays in coaching long enough, will eventually gain the knowledge necessary to be a college OC. It takes years to learn how to do it, regardless of your background as a player or high school coach.

  • 65TossPowerTrap Salmon, ID
    Dec. 5, 2017 3:40 p.m.

    When will all this Detmer hand wringing end? I feel bad that it didn't work out for him, but that's just the way it goes.

  • reallY in sin city Las Vegas, NV
    Dec. 5, 2017 1:54 p.m.

    This is proof ty will be leaving byu. Keeping ty as qb coach was huge.
    This was handled horribly.

  • robo Top, IL
    Dec. 5, 2017 1:13 p.m.

    @Bluto

    Are you certain that was Detmer's call? I suspect Sitake determined who was going to be on the field, and Detmer had to live with it, just as I think Sitake mandated they stick with Hill all last year. I could be wrong. but it's folly to believe Detmer had complete control over everything involving the offense. I think Sitake is the problem; it's clear from this situation and looking back at his past comments and attitude that he never believed in Detmer's offense. No way all the head scratchers are attributed to Detmer. For example: who decided to go for it on 4th and forever in the face of their own end zone? Sitake is a FB, turned defensive coach, that thinks like a lineman. Not a recipe for offensive success. Diehard Cougar fan, but not a fan of BYU football anymore, likely as long as Sitake is in charge. Absolutely disgraceful how he handled this.

  • at long last. . . Kirksville , MO
    Dec. 5, 2017 12:45 p.m.

    Carnak - BYU fans and reality have a nodding acquaintance, at the best of times. Right now they pass one another on the street as perfect strangers. . .

  • Hoosier87 American Fork, UT
    Dec. 5, 2017 11:55 a.m.

    Son, sorry you feel the need to decommit - but if Ty Detmer was there for another season, I don't think there would be a team left to come play for.

    That was the most embarrassing football I've ever witnessed!

  • Henry Drummond San Jose, CA
    Dec. 5, 2017 11:36 a.m.

    I believe its critical for BYU to name a new OC promptly. With the new early signing period, they can't afford to wait.

  • Herbert Gravy Salinas, CA
    Dec. 5, 2017 11:25 a.m.

    @Conrad

    Well, to inspire folks like you and some who are not like you.

    I presume I am entitled to express my opinion just as you and all other posters are? Well, on the other hand, maybe not.

    😁

  • Sanefan Wellsville, UT
    Dec. 5, 2017 10:57 a.m.

    I agree that deter had to go, but I also agree that this has not been handled very well. Nothing from Sitaki since the firing. Holmoe has developed a very disturbing culture at BYU.

  • vasislos Holbrook, AZ
    Dec. 5, 2017 10:47 a.m.

    So many opinions, so little knowledge.

    Someone actually thinks Holmoe took us into independence? As a knee jerk reaction?
    It was actually a decision that took well over 1 year to decide and Holmoe was not the final decision maker. Several issues were involved and debated.

    A terrible offense from the first game to the last. Anemic, inept, and boring. Love Detmer, but he was responsible for the Offense and he did not deliver.

    Did Sitake call Detmer into his office one day and tell him he was out? And Detmer had no clue it was coming? Or did they have conversations over a period of time and arrived at a mutually agreed upon decision? Don't know. Neither does anyone else who posts here.

    Verbal commitments are one of the dopier things in college sports. All it does is give a program a "maybe" while trying to discourage other schools from coming after a certain recruit. Backing out of a commitment is so common that it is hardly worth reporting. Especially when schools get kids to commit in 8th grade.

    Holmoe has presided over a consistently top 30 - 40 athletic program in terms (out of over 300 schools) of athletic achievement each year. He is doing better than good.

  • Bluto Sandy, UT
    Dec. 5, 2017 10:39 a.m.

    Facts are facts...

    Detmer was clueless in calling plays and running an effective offense.

    -Leaving Mangum as the starter after the 2nd game was his first mistake.
    -The inability to remove lineman who aren't cutting it, was another.
    -Receivers who can't catch a ball when hitting them in the hands is another.

    Sorry, I love Detmer, but the critics were correct....Experience matters.

    Throw out the whole lot, save for Sitake and retool.

    Central Florida won two games two years ago...They're 12-0 this year.
    The sky is not falling, Cougs will be back.

  • at long last. . . Kirksville , MO
    Dec. 5, 2017 10:24 a.m.

    . . .and the dumpster fire continues to burn quietly as fuel is added, occasionally.

  • mnsave Rigby, ID
    Dec. 5, 2017 10:19 a.m.

    What's not being addressed in these comments is this his 2nd de-commit. Is he going to commit and then de-commit when another coach is fired? When he gets to a school is he going to transfer if a coach is fired?

  • UtahBlueDevil Durham, NC
    Dec. 5, 2017 10:08 a.m.

    The problem isn't the coach. It's the AD. Recruiting players will be harder. Recruiting good coaching staff nearly impossible. The only person that should have stepped down, didn't. He has done good with the other sports (actually Basketball is looking a little anemic too)..... the most visible sport is languishing.

    Yes, it is only one season. But if it was bad enough to blame Detmer.... then it is bad enough to look at the man the created the situation.

  • ekute Layton, UT
    Dec. 5, 2017 9:42 a.m.

    Firing Detmer 2 days after the end of the season was a hasty, panicked knee-jerk reaction. byu football is known for panicking and making knee-jerk decisions.

  • Malihini Northern, UT
    Dec. 5, 2017 8:51 a.m.

    So the athletic director at BYU decides to take the program into independence, he sets up "challenging" schedules for a team that year after year deals with a deteriorating recruiting class (because of independence) and sees mounting loses, looses the head coach who says that independence is "not sustainable", fires an icon of the program - the one who brought the heisman trophy to the program, and now is facing de-commits of recruits.

    How long can BYU go down this destructive road? The brand suffers, the purpose of exposure is diminished, and the ability to restore this program becomes more and more improbable.

    Why does BYU allow Holmoe to make scapegoats of others when he is the one who has presided over this decline? It is past time for changes to be made at the administrative level.

  • truenorth3 Draper, UT
    Dec. 5, 2017 8:46 a.m.

    Sitake needs to go!! Better to have someone in place who respects and builds upon the things that make BYU unique. BYU football will be better off with someone who believes in a culture of personal accountability and hard work and not entitlement and favoritism. #culturematters

  • AggieAndee Holladay, UT
    Dec. 5, 2017 8:18 a.m.

    The problem was never Mr. Detmer. The problem runs much deeper at BYU and that's why USU has surpassed BYU in football. I wonder who will collect the blame next year when BYU loses to the Aggies and fails to reach a bowl once again.

    The fall guy was BYU's Heisman winner this year who is a nice man.

  • KimmyP Grantsville, UT
    Dec. 5, 2017 8:12 a.m.

    "I would reinstate Ty Detmer as OC as quickly as possible"... Seriously?

    What would Kalani say?
    "Hey Ty, we were just kidding. Come back, I didn't mean to fire you in the first place... what was I thinking? My bad. No really, come on down."

  • BleedCougarBlue Enid, OK
    Dec. 5, 2017 8:08 a.m.

    Terrible, terrible decision to fire Detmer after only 2 seasons, only ONE of which was bad. (No, fellow Cougar fans, his 9-4 season was not "bad".)

    I lost a TON of respect for Sitake over this. A ton.

  • eastcoastcoug Danbury, CT
    Dec. 5, 2017 7:46 a.m.

    I've been a big supporter of Sitake but the way he and BYU (and I include fans too) have handled Detmer has been classless and disappointing. You don't fire your only Heisman winner and if you do, you have to have a plan for both him and you to save face. The only hope BYU has now is its recruiting pipeline and if you destroy that, you truly have nothing.

    I've known some recruits the past 1-2 years and having Detmer come to your house was a big deal. For the peanuts BYU pays its assistants, they coulda kept him in some role. This is just sad and pointless.

  • ConradGurch Salt Lake City, Utah
    Dec. 5, 2017 7:43 a.m.

    TO: Herbert Gravy - Salinas, CA

    Then why are you commenting?

  • mohokat Ogden, UT
    Dec. 5, 2017 7:33 a.m.

    I wish Ty Detmer and Zaddock the very best. It just didn't work.
    There's an old saying,
    Those that can do
    Those that can't teach.

    Sometimes those that can, can't teach.

  • Procoug Layton, UT
    Dec. 5, 2017 7:11 a.m.

    Dinkleman or no Dinkleman making Ty Detmer a scapegoat was a horrible decision. For BYU to be great they must return to the fitness, timing, passing offense which Doug Scovil brought to Provo. It works well when athletes who are disciplined on the field are in Provo. These are the types of Athletes BYU gets. I would reinstate Ty Detmer as OC as quickly as possible and bring in someone else to help with the organization of the offense. It is the right thing to do.

  • Striker Omaha, NE
    Dec. 5, 2017 6:44 a.m.

    Detmer would never leave a program he loves to go to a school that hates his Alma Mater and has zero tradition. Keep dreaming.

    And he was treated well at BYU, are you kidding? He just couldn't cut it as a first time OC.

    Of course recruits change their minds in situations like these. I love how the haters assume the worst. Please go pay attention to your own teams and their awful seasons and how to fix those broken teams. Good grief.

  • bhansen DeRidder, LA
    Dec. 5, 2017 6:25 a.m.

    Still haven't heard from our head coach, Sitake. Pretty disappointing. You make a move you should have the courage to face the heat. The biggest problem we had last year was leadership. Our head coach is not a leader. He can't and doesn't lead during adversity. I hope he is gone after next year, which is a pretty safe bet.

  • Pipes Salt Lake City, UT
    Dec. 5, 2017 6:16 a.m.

    It was a bad move to fire Detmer. I'm losing confidence in Sitake...

  • hi-ya Murray, UT
    Dec. 5, 2017 6:08 a.m.

    Aggie Andree you can have Detmer just as long as you take the whole losing season along with youth USU. Because thats what you get with Detmer.

  • Herbert Gravy Salinas, CA
    Dec. 5, 2017 6:08 a.m.

    So glad most of us have "bigger fish to fry" than worrying about the next great quarterback at BYU.

    😁

  • CougarForever Holladay, Utah
    Dec. 5, 2017 12:02 a.m.

    We are going to be so loaded at quarterback over the next 3-4 years that this will have little significant impact.

  • AggieAndee Holladay, UT
    Dec. 4, 2017 10:14 p.m.

    I want to see Ty Detmer and his nephew head up to USU where both of them will get treated much better than they were in Provo.

  • Deanvrtc Vancouver, WA
    Dec. 4, 2017 9:42 p.m.

    This happens almost every time there is a major coaching change. BYU will likely receive a committ from the connections of whom ever they hire as the new OC. Players usually go where they have some relationship with coaches or other players. Clearly a loss for BYU but we have a few others in the pipe line. Best wishes to Zadock wherever he goes....

  • Carnak Salt Lake City, UT
    Dec. 4, 2017 9:30 p.m.

    For all you Cougar fans that thought you could fire your OC and yet keep the guy as your QB coach, time to wake up - reality is calling.