You have to see through the camouflage. Look at what Mr. Trump does not what he
says on twitter. We have a great economy, foreign policy, more freedom with
some of the 22,000 regulation removed, a tax cut looming which may help
corporations and that helps all of us. How can anyone say we are doing worse
unless you are a socialist.
To "Fred44" and your point is what?? Did it crash because of things the
Republican did, or did it crash when the Republican was in office? There is a
difference. If Kansas is the best example you have, then it only proves my
statement that most locations run by Republicans do well.However,
tell us about the Utopia that Chicago has become. You know, that place where
there are hundreds of murders every year. Or how about Detroit, you know that
city that has had 50+ years of control by Democrats and lacks clean drinking
RedshirtKansas was fine going back and forth between republicans and
democrats but it crashed under Governor Brownback and the republican legislator
that slashed taxes for corporations and the wealthy using the same model just
passed. So you don't like Kansas, give me an example of a state that
slashed taxes for the wealthy and corporations and had an endless flow of money.
I get that you can cherry pick cities that have a multitude of problems and
blame those on democrats, but give me a state that slashed taxes like this plan
does and saw increased revenue.
@ Thomas Jefferson"He [Trump] was born on third and thinks he
hit a touchdown."That's how he got the pole position and
won game, set, match, right?I've said enough. I'll make like a tree - and get outta here.
To "Fred44" I don't think you understand the "typically".
That means in most cases, but not all. Kansas is one of those that is not
typical. Also, if you want to look at the past 50 years of Kansas, it has gone
back and forth between Republican and Democrat. It isn't exactly what I
would call a Republican controlled state.However, if you would like,
we can talk about Detroit or Chicago, or we can talk about California or New
Jersey.The point is there are many more locations that have huge
problems and have been Democrat strongholds for decades.
I did not vote for Hillary. I did not vote for Trump. And, yes, I can look at
myself in the mirror every morning.
2bits "I don't remember any of this heated hatred towards Barack Obama
when he was elected. Except a few radical racists."You clearly
weren't paying attention then. Good for you for not stooping to that
level, but it was rampant.
I don't argue with any of the mentioned criticisms of Trump, which only
makes it that much more spectacular that he was belter than the
alternative. The more unhinged that the left (not the letter writer)
gets in their criticism of Trump (legitimate or not), the more my hold-the-nose
vote is validated. The more Stephen Colbert and CNN screech, the
better Trump looks; and making him look good in comparison is
a really really really deep level to drop to
2 BitsYour logic (get over trump's election and stop demonizing
the man) would be impeccable were it not for a fatal flaw.trump is
no ordinary President. He has not maintained the dignity, the comity and the
respect for others that virtually every other President in the history of the
country has proffered. His dishonesty alone disqualifies him, not to mention
his shady business connections and past sexual predation.For that
reason alone, your argument fails.
Redshirt,You said: "Republican run areas typically are doing better
than the Democrat run ones." Like Kansas? Using the exact
model be pushed today by Trump and the Republicans ya that's gone well in
@Happy Valley HereticDid you have a problem with people who didn't
support Barack Obama?As I recall... a lot of Democrats had problems
with people who didn't support the President back then.. They called them
ugly names, like "Racist" if they didn't support the President.I'm not calling anybody ugly names. But I am suggesting you give
the new President a chance. The "Down with Trump" rallies started the
day he was inaugurated.I don't support Trump's morals. I
don't like him as a person. But he is the President of the United
States.And I did support Barack Obama just as much as I support
Trump today, when he was President.I'll question and disprove
of their policies and actions in office, and speak my mind. But I don't
hate either of them. The level of hatred Liberals feel towards Donald Trump is
unparalleled in American history IMO.I don't remember any of
this heated hatred towards Barack Obama when he was elected. Except a few
radical racists.But this isn't just a few radical fringe-left
groups. This hatred of Trump is ridiculous. It's just politics people!Doesn't matter if you voted for him or why... it's over now.
To "Open Minded Mormon" I wouldn't exactly call Huntsman Jr. a
Mormon. Yes he once belonged, but has since gone off the reservation.Huntsman Jr. doesn't even call himself a Mormon. The Trib had an article
about him back in 2011.
Mike Richards and J Thompson are to PROUD - hard hearted or stiff necked to just
admit that Donald Trump is not what thought he was....they bought into all
the lies, and got a real lemon.that, or they are hypocrites
to their own morals, principles, country and Constitution....I can
answer for them, but that's what it seems.
@RedShirt - USS Enterprise, UTDec. 1, 2017 12:39 p.m.To
"LDS Liberal" then please, tell us who you voted for. You couldn't
have voted for a Democrat because their view on abortion is contrary to LDS
doctrine. You couldn't have voted for any Socialist because that is
contrary too. The Libertarians support drug laws contrary to LDS teaching. About
the only Candidate I can think of last election that meets your test was
McMullin.====== I've told you a THOUSAND times --
Win or Lose -- I did what the LDS 1st Presidency asked ALL of
us to do and voted for who BEST represented me.I voted for Mormon
Republican Evan McMullin last election.I voted for Mormon Republican Jon
M. Huntsman Jr. the election before that.I am UN-affiliated and I
always vote for the person and never the party.So, Neither of
them "won", but I can safely say I did not compromise my morals or
integrity just to say I picked a "winner".I can also stand
before God with a clean and clear conscious with no blood on my hands...BTW -- I hope that is the last time I have to keep reminding you....
2 bits said: "I didn't vote for him either (for the same reasons you
listed). But he's President now. Get over it. I did. Time to get over your
reasons you hate Trump and let him be President."Some of us will
keep our souls, thank you.Glad you got over it. That's your choice to ignore what a horrible person you will support, for
me the choice is simple, I don't have to respect him, that is earned.I don't have to support his agenda, if I find it abhorrent.1
bits also said: "Quit constantly trying to undermine him and destroy
confidence in the President Democrats and media folks."Seriously
is there anything he has done, or would do, to shake his loyalists? It appears
not, It's not the Dems or the media, it's Trump himself, who is his
own worst enemy. America isn't about conforming with other
sheep, because the GOP suddenly thinks we should all support the president, when
the GOP refused to even work with Obama on their own bills.
To "Becky Hepworth" and who did you vote for? Trump and Hillary are
virtually interchangeable in your letter.The bigger question is what
are you going to do next election? Are you going to just sit back and support
the Democrat because it isn't Trump? Or are you going to support a 3rd
party candidate.We get letters like this all the time, and hear it
from the liberals who comment here. We know you don't like Trump, but now
what? What are you PERSONALLY going to do next time?To "LDS
Liberal" then please, tell us who you voted for. You couldn't have
voted for a Democrat because their view on abortion is contrary to LDS doctrine.
You couldn't have voted for any Socialist because that is contrary too.
The Libertarians support drug laws contrary to LDS teaching. About the only
Candidate I can think of last election that meets your test was McMullin.TO "Kent C. DeForrest " ironically the Republican run areas
typically are doing better than the Democrat run ones. That should be proof
enough that Trickle Up economics that Democrats favor fails.
GingerMarshall - Brooklyn, OH Nov. 30, 2017 10:28 p.m. wrote: @Mike Richards:
A few facts......facts matter. Apparently Ginger, not to some people.
J Thompson said, " Democrats doubled the debt. Democrats gave nuclear
secrets to North Korea. Democrats are supported by Weinstein and Hollywood.
Trump is not."Are you sure you want to play that game J?When Ronald Reagan took office in 1981, the national debt was $998B.
When he left office in 1989 the debt was $2.8T. So can we say he tripled the
national debt. And when George H. W. Bush left office in 1993 the debt was over
$4.1T. So that looks like a quadruple.Your accusation that
Democrats gave nuclear secrets to North Korea has also been debunked. Clinton
did negotiate a deal in 1994 to provide two nuclear reactors and provide heavy
fuel oil to North Korea in exchange for the country giving up its nuclear
weapons program. The energy aid costs didn’t approach anywhere near $5
billion, and the reactors were never built. The agreement, while a failure,
didn’t give North Korea nuclear weapons. Experts said the agreement
actually slowed North Korea down.Educate yourself man.Democrats may have been supported by Weinstein but when the news of his crimes
were reported, Democrats no longer supported him. Compare that approach to the
Ray Moore case.
Do you really think anybody cares why you didn't vote for Trump?Or why you didn't vote for Obama?Those are your reasons. But
it doesn't matter now. He's President. Your reasons aren't
going to change that now.I didn't vote for him either (for the
same reasons you listed). But he's President now. Get over it. I
did.Time to get over your reasons you hate Trump and let him be
President.I don't think he's going to be a good President
(never thought he was President material). But he IS President of the United
States. Time to get off his back and put your list of reasons away until next
election and let him lead and do the things that got him elected, and see if he
can do anything good.I hope he can do something good.I
know he will make mistakes. There's not a President who has not made
mistakes (even Obama).No matter what he does... about 50% of
Americans are going to be upset by it. So that alone dictates he's going
to make some people unhappy, and some are going to consider anything he does a
"Mistake" (whether it is or it isn't).Quit constantly
trying to undermine him and destroy confidence in the President Democrats and
An excellent letter.Alas, once again the Trump apologists here are
trying in vain to defend their support of him over Hillary. In terms of
competence, morality and sanity, how can anyone say Trump was a better
choice?Even if we concede that Hillary was a bad candidate, when the
choice is between bad and truly terrible, intelligent people choose bad.
The Republicans put Trump in office, knowing full well how dangerous,
unqualified, and imbalanced he is. Now they are trying apologize for him. And
all the Mike Richards of then world can come up with is that Hillary would have
been worse. Sorry, but Hillary would have been a capable and stable president
with a solid intellectual and practical knowledge of policy. She's a wonk
more than a politician, after all. But that's all water under the bridge.
Now we've got Trump, and the Republicans are trying to justify his presence
on the grounds that he'll rubber stamp their horrible legislative
ideas—the repeal-and-replace disaster and the tax-"reform" bonanza
for their wealthy donors. This is a party that has not had a good idea in 40
years, and it is getting worse. Please, Utah, stop voting for these
So far in this thread, there are plenty of comments stating why Trump should
never have been elected. But now that he has been elected, here are some
reasons why he should be removed from office.1. He has diminished
U.S. leadership in the world. The Trump administration in one year has
undermined U.S. leadership throughout the world.He withdrew the
United States from the Trans-Pacific Partnership with 11 nations desperate for
U.S. protection in confronting Chinese dominance. And now we see eleven nations
signing a TPP agreement without the United States and Trump finding no takers
for his offer of bilateral trade deals. 2. He has undermined faith
in our democracy. The president’s former campaign chairman and his deputy
are under indictment, a former foreign policy adviser has pleaded guilty, and a
special prosecutor is, presumably, just getting started. The president, his
attorney general, his former national security adviser, his son-in-law and other
advisers all have been caught misinforming or giving incomplete information
about their relations with Russia.3. And he has turned Americans
against each other. All you have to do is watch the news.He should
Hard to argue with anything in this letter. Makes me wonder when Utah
Republicans will start abandoning their highly corrupt and immoral party of
choice. They don't even bother to trot out the old trickle-down nonsense
anymore. They just serve up disaster after disaster and expect their mindless
constituents to keep voting them into office. As Trump would say, "Sad."
Bobster -I have no doubt that your statement " Trump was able to win because
enough voters felt that his opponent was a worse choice" is exactly true.
But I think the problem with that statement is the reason felt that way.You see most Americans who try to stay current in the affairs of our
nation rely on people and institutions they have trusted over the years. A
couple of those institutions are the press and Congress. People usually end up
watching specific TV stations whose political slant matches their own. In Utah
there is a conservative slant to most peoples beliefs so they listen to their
conservative Congressmen and Congresswoman and they listen to Fox News. Both of
these institutions have made it one of their top goals to damage the name of
Hillary Clinton. Over the years Congress has spent millions holding hearing,
such as the seven separate Congressional Committees who held hearings on the
Benghazi tragedy and all of them came to the same conclusion - there was no
wrong doing on the part of the Secretary of State. The same could be said about
the FBI email investigation. Certain members of Congress and Right
Wing media have done you a disservice.
The left is so willing to throw mud even as it ignores Bill and Hillary's
and Obama's lies, the "pay to play" system the made the Clintons
rich, their selling of our uranium to a nation that has long been our enemy,
Weinstein's open wallet to Democrats, George Soros' close ties with
Democrats. They ignore the Democrats illegal desire to take away our
Constitutionally guaranteed right to keep and bear arms. The ignore the fact
that only those who openly embrace abortion can run on the Democrat ticket.
They pretend that illegal aliens who sneak into our country are here legally and
deserve anything that government provides. They believe in a government that is
promotes everything that the Constitution prohibits. One poster
even claims that "his" church accepts and promotes all of those
"qualities" because Trump is not a Democrat. What total nonsense.Trump is opposed by liberals because he stands for everything that they
oppose and he stands for nothing that they want. They oppose everything that
made America great. Democrats doubled the debt. Democrats gave nuclear secrets
to North Korea. Democrats are supported by Weinstein and Hollywood. Trump is
This letter is spot on. Trump has spent his life surrounded by
sycophants. He has never done a day of work in his life. He was born on third
and thinks he hit a touchdown. His narcissistic personality disorder is rivaled
only by Kanye West. But the worst part of this dark time in American
history is the fact that 30% of Americans are so blind to these simple facts or
worse yet, actually LIKE that about him.
trump will be the ruination of the USA-Our Canadian and European friends
can not fathom how he got elected, nor how boorish and immature his behavior
is.He in no way represents any of the good of America-
Hillary Clinton would be doing a fine job as president right now.... and that is
a fact. Trump Being elected will never cease to boggle my mind!
I get a kick out of it when people in Utah tell me trump is in office because
the parties offered two horrible candidates. I missed the part where
Clinton burned down the orphanage. They were not somehow equally bad candidates,
and that is being borne out in the mess we are watching today. Bernie
Sanders may or may not have carried the day. We'll never know. But he would
not have carried Utah. Our votes went to the worse of two candidates, the access
Hollywood guy. That would have been the case no matter what.
I did not take long for the "But Clinton..." crowd to erupt in their
usual fashion. The "But Clinton" crowd loves to nanner endlessly on
about discredited conspiracies attributed to Mrs Clinton. Oh, and she certainly
stretched the truth, though not entirely up to trump standards. All this seems
to inure them from any of trump's obviously gaffs, falsehoods,
inconsistencies and misbehavior. It is not about Clinton anymore.
She lost. Get over it. And Obama is not President. He served the
maximum. He's gone. Get over it. Well, that's the
advice you gave us Democrats after George W left office and a mess to clean up.
@GingerMarshall: "Facts matter."...only for approx 65% of
Americans of presently.An improvement from a year ago to be sure,
but not yet sufficient to keep GOP Representatives and Senators from losing
sleep.Their claimed benefits of the GOP "tax reform" bills
are wholly dependent upon a presumption that facts do not matter.Can
you blame them?Why should fellow Republican Trump get all the fun?
Because it's easy to spot a narcissistic jingoist, who thinks they are
running for most popular person, not a leadership position, he seriously thought
the presidency was like being king or dictator.He used and continues
to use racial slurs, and childish name calling.I never like All Star
Wrestling either... to fake.
I voted for the one candidate who did not possess so many stomach-turning
character traits: Evan McMullin.To pre-comment on the naysayers, we
ALL agree the other two choices were nausea-inducing in one form or another.
Remembering who I did NOT vote for allows me to look at myself in the mirror
Reasons why I didn't vote for Donald Trump===== 1.
"Principles compatible with the gospel may be found in various political
parties, and members should seek candidates who best embody those
principles." ~ LDS 1st Presidency2. "Do you support,
affiliate with, or agree with any group or individual whose teachings or
practices are contrary to or oppose those accepted by the Church of Jesus Christ
of Latter-day Saints?"Enough said....
The reason I didn't vote for Trump?"In consequence of evils
and designs which do and will exist in the hearts of conspiring men in the last
days."Such as dirty industry, eliminating our sacred national
monuments, war mongering, draining coal debris into our streams, de-regulating
predatory corporations, busting up our alliances, appointing unqualified judges,
encouraging white supremacists, harassing women, petty revenge, etc. etc. and,
above all, acting like a profane, spoiled infant.
@Mike Richards"Hillary Clinton lied about the cause of the
slaughter of four Americans in Benghazi and about her use of a private email
server that contained top secret State Department. "Bush lied
about weapons of mass destruction in Iraq. 5000 military lives and I do not know
how many civilians lost their lives. Keep on talking about four Americans under
Our two self-interested political parties gave us the two worst possible
candidates for President in 2016. Anyone who donates money to either of these
parties after that should be ashamed of themselves.
I didn't.vote.for Trump because he is the.rise of American fascism.
@Mike Richards: A few facts. President Obama said:
"I will sign a universal health care bill into law by the end of my first
term as president that will cover every American and cut the cost of a typical
family's premium by up to $2,500 a year." Much different than your
claim. Eight congressional investigations into Benghazi came up with
bupkis, but then House Majority Leader Kevin McCarthy admitted it was all
political grandstanding: "Everybody thought Hillary Clinton was unbeatable,
right? But we put together a Benghazi special committee, a select committee.
What are her numbers today? Her numbers are dropping." North
Korea had a nuclear reactor and was producing weapons grade plutonium before
Clinton was in office. He convinced them to shut the reactor down and give up
the plutonium in exchange for help building two light-water reactors for
electricity but not able to produce weapons-grade material. No secrets. Bill Clinton was impeached for perjury because he lied about an affair.
He was not ever charged with or convicted of any crime requiring registering as
a sex offender. Facts matter.
I'm with you on all those reasons. But, you omitted that this "great
businessman" bankrupted 2 casinos. Really- he managed to bankrupt casinos.
It takes a special kind of business acumen to bankrupt a casino.
Mike - you should be against liars regardless of party. And yet.... your sole
excuse is the Clintons did it first. Hardly a justification for turning a blind
eye to the current occupant of the White House. Just this week
Trump pulled another doozie.... claiming Time Magazine had called him to see if
he was interested in being Person of the Year - to which he claims he declined.
And of course Time Magazine immediately denied any call was made. Just like
before them the Boy Scouts and the President of Mexico.The best
Republican for the office is one who upholds Republican/Conservative values.
But if anyone is a Rino - it's Trump. He demonstrates no connection to
conservative values what so ever.... other on the business side of things. He
claims he is for states rights, but then says his solution to Obama Care is to
take away states rights to regulate the insurance industry in their own state.
There are things I like about Trump. I like that he will on
occasion change his mind rather that stick to some poorly contrived dogma. But
his morals and propinquity to fabricate daily.... not something the leader or
nation should be known for.
I could never have voted for Trump because I own a bathroom mirror.More precisely, because I must see my reflection in that mirror every morning,
I avoid doing those foolish and shameful things that I know will cause me to gag
when I again stand before the mirror at the start of the next day.Until the 2016 election, I naively aasumed everyone had at least one mirror in
their house. But as we now know, nearly 50% of Americans did not
own a bathroom mirror in November 2016. The good news is that the
percentage of mirror-less Americans has dropped to the mid-30s in the year
People can complain all they want about Trump, but just think what would be
happening to America if Hillary continued Obama's agenda -as she
promised.I do all the time. We'd be better off. I missed the part
where Hillary burned down the orphanage. But I did note that she didn't
brag about sexual assault. She seemed to have empathy towards others, and did
not resort to stupid name calling. She didn't get along with Putin, which
isn't necessarily bad. She is able to speak in complete, adult sentences,
and simply comes across as intelligent. I miss that; we're sure not seeing
All good points. But, the big one that I don't get is that this "great
businessman" managed to bankrupt casinos. Do you know how hard it is to
bankrupt a casino? Casino's are almost a license to print money. It's
like bankrupting the US Mint. (which may be his next feat).
A Democrat violated a woman in the Oval Office. He was impeached but a Democrat
Senate refused to convict. Hillary Clinton lied about the cause of the slaughter
of four Americans in Benghazi and about her use of a private email server that
contained top secret State Department. Obama lied to every American when he
told us that every American family would save $2,500 per year with ObamaCare.
Yet the letter points fingers at a Republican who has been lied about by the
media instead of demanding answers from a Democrat President who must register
as a sex offender. Clinton aided North Korea with nuclear secrets
in violation of our Constitution that requires the Senate to ratify all
treaties. He made a mess that only a man like Trump can fix. Obama did nothing
for eight years while North Korea developed a nuclear bomb. People
can complain all they want about Trump, but just think what would be happening
to America if Hillary continued Obama's agenda -as she promised.
The dilemma many voters faced in the 2016 presidential election had nothing to
do with Trump but with his opponent. Donald J. Trump, with all his flaws, was
the preferable candidate in the minds of millions of Americans. Now you might
say that these Americans amounted to a "basket of deplorables" who
lacked good judgment and common sense, but I don't believe that is true.
Trump was able to win because enough voters felt that his opponent was a worse
choice. Unfortunately, too many elections end up being between the lesser of
two evils. The unanswered questions about the video in connection with Benghazi
and Mrs. Clinton's lying to the families of the fallen soldiers about what
happened were more than enough to keep me from voting for her. I was surprised
and overjoyed when Trump won. Not because I thought he was a great candidate,
but because of the alternative choice.
Do we think it is any coincidence that the nation has become highly sensitize to
bad behavior by men in positions of power? Just maybe the positive of
Trump's Presidency is that behavior like that which Trump bragged about,
men in power having their way with women has come to the forefront, society has
said enough. Now if we can get the same net result from
Trump's lying.. that society says enough of the dishonesty, maybe some net
positive will come from all of this.