Analysis: BYU had a not-so-crowded house as football attendance hits new low

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  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    Dec. 6, 2017 11:32 a.m.

    panamadesnews:

    So in other words, what you're saying is you couldn't back up poyman's insistence that there were more cougar fans in the stands at any of their road venues either.

    I thought not. So was that why you were trying to change the subject? After all, your comment was directed at me, but touched on absolutely NONE of the subject matter(s) in my post(s). How frantic and emotional of you.

  • wrj SANDY, UT
    Dec. 4, 2017 5:17 p.m.

    I think in the interest of taxpayers that the University of Utah football program should not expand their stadium. University of Utah football program should use Lavell Edwards stadium, and BYU Should use Rice Eccles. This solves all the capacity problems.

  • panamadesnews Lindon, UT
    Dec. 4, 2017 3:05 p.m.

    Re: Naval Vet - Philadelphia, PA
    Dec. 4, 2017 9:17 a.m.

    FYI, BYU had been working toward indy for awhile before Utah jumped ship and followed the $'s to the Pac 10 (now Pac 12). When Utah jumped, BYU took the opportunity to go indy. I'm sure they found that an opportune time to do so, since Utah was leaving.

    At some point, they would have left for indy even if Utah had stayed in the MWC, as they had already been preparing to do so.

    Alco, for those fans of the team up north who think that BYU will ax the FB program. Not so, or why would they still be adding games into the 2020's. BYU just announced adding a game is 2025. BYU is here to stay, whether in indy or in a conference. That is a fact, even if some hater fans do not like it.

    I was very interested in finding out where Utah would go bowling. Nice to see they will play WVU in Dallas (the old Cotton Bowl). I will be cheering for them. I am a staunch BTU fan, but I always want Utah to win (except when they play BYU). I'm sure many Ute fans want BYU to succeed, as well. How about it?

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    Dec. 4, 2017 9:17 a.m.

    poyman:

    "BYU just played UNLV in Las Vegas and had more fans than the Runnin Rebels."

    That's a myth that's easily disproven just by looking up UNLV's (and Hawaii's for that matter) average Home attendances. Cougar fans were NOT better represented in either of those games. They weren't even close to half. And that's a fact.

    "UCLA, Washington, Oregon State, Oregon, and Colorado have always and will always say that BYU Fans Travel well... Perhaps a little homework would help bring a little more credibility for you."

    Is that so? Then here's a little homework assignment for YOU! Back that up. Because that sounded made up. Where had it been reported that any of those institutions ever said that? I'll need to see the title of those articles, the periodical in which it had been published, the author, and the date. And if you don't produce it, that'll just mean that you don't have it. And if you don't have it, then that'll mean that you'd never read it. And if you'd never read it...

    ...then that'll be all the evidence that I need to prove that you'd made it up.

    Your move.

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    Dec. 4, 2017 9:17 a.m.

    Bluto:

    "Utah inflates their attendance numbers. 13k announced fans in basketball recently and the gym was not even 1/3 full."

    How would you know? That sounded made up. You little brothers do that all the time.

    "#Insecure brothers at Eccles U, still trying to keep up with BYU, by hook or crook.."

    Uh...no. You're just projecting your own insecurities onto Ute fans. You Y fans always do that. But the truth it, it's the other way around. It's the "insecure little brothers at LES" who are "still trying to keep up with UTAH, by hook or crook." That's why you guys knee-jerked yourselves out of the premier midmajor league, into indy-irrelevance: to create the illusion that you were keeping up with your big brother on the hill who'd just accepted an invitation to join your first choice of "power" conferences. And that's also why you guys always claim to bring thousands of fans to your roadies, when the actual VERIFIABLE game attendance never supports that claim.

    Typical hypocritical coug.

  • poyman Lincoln City, OR
    Dec. 2, 2017 11:57 p.m.

    @azute

    "...And stop it already proclaiming byu fans come out in droves for their away games around the country....Pure tripe."
    ******************
    Interesting comment from someone claiming to be from AZ... Did you even go to the game last year in Phoenix between BYU and Arizona.... BYU had to travel 3X as far as Arizona fans and we dwarfed them... It was essentially a BYU home game.

    BYU just played UNLV in Las Vegas and had more fans than the Runnin Rebels.

    UCLA, Washington, Oregon State, Oregon, and Colorado have always and will always say that BYU Fans Travel well... Perhaps a little homework would help bring a little more credibility for you.

  • JohnInSLC Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Dec. 2, 2017 8:39 p.m.

    "Just answer these two questions: [last year, 1980's etc,]"

    notsmartenough:

    Wow! You sure missed the point of the article, which makes clear BYU-P football attendance is dwindling, while the demand for Utah tickets has never been higher. This means lost revenue down south and more potential revenue on the hill. Defaulting (again) to 1984 ignores the reality that your indy, mid-major program is swirling the drain. Now, despite your trophies, etc, etc, you're not even Army.

  • poyman Lincoln City, OR
    Dec. 2, 2017 7:04 p.m.

    Fill Rate of any stadium or arena follows two primary factors... 1) A team's ability to perform and compete; and 2) The quality of schedule... There are other factors of lesser consequence like Alumni and Religious Following but those are inferior to the first two.

    Factor "1" has a great deal to do with the quality of players recruited... and the best players who are being recruited typically want to play where they will get the best exposure and best quality coaching and like it or not... most recruits want to play in a P5 conference where they can get Conference Championships and All Conference Recognition... We're not in a P5 Conference and we should be... In my opinion that has a lot to do with an inept Athletic Director who has no clout with BYU, its BOT, and its Administration let alone other ADs.

    Factor "2" is all about clout with AD's of P5 schools and P5 Commissioners... Our AD should be able to pull off a decent schedule that includes 9 P5 teams over the course of a season. Our AD can't... Instead we get home games with FCS schools, weaker G5 schools and a couple of home games with P5 schools if we agree to play them in September or early October. Holmoe has got to go.

  • itswhatithink West Jordan, UT
    Dec. 2, 2017 6:52 p.m.

    Too smartforyou
    I don't remember the y asking all tithing payers if they could waste the funds of the church for the expansion of LES ...for a now partially empty stadium for a team many don't like at all (regardless of the erroneous belief that anyone who is lds supports their team) ..so why should the stadium at the U need to be sold out to increase the size...especially with the scuttlebutt about another Olympic s one day)

  • itswhatithink West Jordan, UT
    Dec. 2, 2017 6:38 p.m.

    There is a difference between having an actual butt in the seat... who is revenue producing at the stadium and havin a ticker sold

  • Caddis Terry, MT
    Dec. 2, 2017 5:40 p.m.

    I actually think it is true that BYU brings in a lot of fans on the road. Maybe not in every city but in many. This year being an exception perhaps.
    And... I dont blame anyone for Independence, and it seemed to be worth the trouble for a while. But let’s face it, the home schedule just isn’t that exciting.
    And let’s face something else... we had a good team last year, and while watching the Wyoming game it was really onvious that without Williams, we would have never won that game. And we are without Williams for sure now.
    I’d like to see us back in the MW. If they would have us.

  • 81Ute Central, UT
    Dec. 2, 2017 3:18 p.m.

    Just my thoughts:

    To you fans of college football that cheer for byu, I am truly sorry that you are stuck (for a few years it seems) with very little to cheer about.

    To you byu fans that insist on camparing byu attendence to P5 schools, you are missing the bigger picture.

    To you byu fans that take any criticism toward byu athletics personally...grow thicker skin.

    Now replies:

    @toosmartforyou

    1. just over the number from this year: 58569 (2016) - 57276 (2017) = 1293...did you even read the article? 9-4 or 4-9...6 of one 1/2 dozen of the other

    2. Who cares? Utah and other P5 schools that do not have as large a stadium as byu make more money.
    Comparing attendance is not valid when Utah will make 4x-6x more TV money than byu.

    @Bluto
    "The Continental Conference..."

    Why on earth would those schools want to do that? byu is not a big deal, to anybody

    @ bluto
    "#Insecure brothers at Eccles U, still trying to keep up with BYU, by hook or crook.."

    Oh my, not sure where to begin...

    @BlueHusky
    "My issue with independence is nothing other than balanced schedules (or lack thereof)."

    byu SOS this year is bottom half on every ranking I have seen...do you want stronger or weaker?

  • BlueHusky Mission Viejo, CA
    Dec. 2, 2017 2:56 p.m.

    Again with the "rejoin the MWC" song and dance. Only Boise is really capable of beating BYU year in and year out. Who wants to watch BYU crush Wyoming, Colorado State, Air Force, Wyoming etc. year in and year out?

    BYU already has a long term arrangement with Boise, and a good rivalry that is turning out to be. They'll play USU every year. But lets look at the games BYU is scheduling. The issue is that those big TV deals are getting home and home with home, while the filler teams from G5 conferences are opening the series at BYU. This will even out. The PAC12 is scheduling a lot of BYU games now. Big 10 is scheduling home and home and the playoff requirements is bringing SEC games home and away from BYU.

    My issue with independence is nothing other than balanced schedules (or lack thereof). But we're starting to see that. Now, lets get some games with some of the ordinary teams in those conferences.? Don't have to schedule top 10 teams every year.

  • AZUTE1 Mesa, AZ
    Dec. 2, 2017 2:16 p.m.

    What are the Nielsen Ratings comparisons between U/byu for their individual games?

    And stop it already proclaiming byu fans come out in droves for their away games around the country....Pure tripe.

    Heck, relatively speaking, they don’t even come out in droves for their Wagner/Sav St/SJSU/UMASS filled home games.

    Again, Nielsen Ratings/merchandise sales comparisons?

    7 straight & counting & 12/15.

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    Dec. 2, 2017 1:53 p.m.

    @Naval Vet

    They tried to back door into the WAC. Only to have the WAC implode because 2 teams back door them into the MWC.

    Now Bluto, the future is Independence (i.e. USC, Texas... will follow BYU) and not the "socialist" conference model, is claiming BYU has the power to raid the MWC and AAC and create a 3 timezone conference. Priceless!

  • BAKC Litchfield Park, AZ
    Dec. 2, 2017 1:03 p.m.

    I find it rather entertaining that; what I assume to be grown adults, arguing over who has better attendance and whose stadium is better utilized. Wow, what’s next an article about whose red is redder and whose blue is bluer on the color spectrum with regards to their uniforms. I’m just mad I wasted time reading this utter drivel.

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    Dec. 2, 2017 12:57 p.m.

    Bluto:

    "Too many dogs in the AAC and Mountain West for BYU to align themselves with. Take the best of both conferences, for a new league."

    I have to laugh whenever you Y fans invent a new league, power it with a hoard of "midmajors", and expect that's what it'll take to be a "power" conference. I also chuckle at the notion you all think those other "midmajors" would want to (1) break up their current league, (2) add a whole bunch of travel miles to create another one, and (3) and add a notorious "diva" that a vast majority of those teams already don't want anything to do with! Haha!

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    Dec. 2, 2017 12:50 p.m.

    Counter Intelligence:

    "BYU...[was] still bringing in thousands of fans to away games at meaningless, non conference, poor record games in far flung places like Honolulu, Las Vegas, Fresno and Greenville North Carolina - sometimes having more fans than the home team. Very few other schools can do that."

    INCLUDING the cougars! Because they weren't really. That's just cougar folklore. But the truth is, we KNOW what the attendance was like at those games. And when the attendance at those games are right around that Home team's average, that PROVES that the cougars don't move the needle any more than any other of their visiting teams. You were the FOURTH highest attended game at Hawai'i! 4th...out of 6, aka, the "bottom half". You were the 2nd WORST attended game at Mississippi St.

    And at no point EVER had the cougars brought more fans than the Home team. Not ever! Not even half! You just made that up. How frantic and emotional of you.

  • Hailstorm is a coming Riverdale, UT
    Dec. 2, 2017 12:24 p.m.

    Tom Holmoe

  • Jeremy234 SLC, UT
    Dec. 2, 2017 10:28 a.m.

    Bluto: Utah is a mid major? Um... I think that you are confused... But good luck on your rematch with UMASS next year! This time you might get 'em

  • JohnInSLC Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Dec. 2, 2017 10:22 a.m.

    "U, still trying to keep up with BYU"

    Pluto:

    Look at a newspaper for the date, man! You're stuck in the 1980's.

  • UteinIdaho Sandpoint, ID
    Dec. 2, 2017 10:12 a.m.

    Isn't Independence wonderful? At least you guys can still brag about having a bigger stadium. That must be fun.

  • adamz West Valley, UT
    Dec. 2, 2017 9:21 a.m.

    College football is (supposed to be) entertainment. Let's compare this to a movie.

    If you knew a movie was getting bad reviews (losing games), would you go?

    If you knew a movie was slow and boring (can't score touchdowns), would you go?

    If you knew a movie had no star power (low level opponents), would you go?

    And finally, if you knew a movie was getting bad reviews, was boring, had no star power, AND the tickets were expensive, would you go?

    Of course you wouldn't, you'd look for more reasonable entertainment options.

    And this illustrates why Holmoe needs to go. He's created an inferior product through his strategy, hiring, and scheduling.

  • EightOhOne St. George, UT
    Dec. 2, 2017 9:16 a.m.

    @ AFCoug - Colorado Springs, CO

    Absolutely nailed it!! Those teams you mentioned don't have the history/legacy, attendance, and personal accolades that byu fans like to brag about. BUT those teams with no significant football history were able to "earn" P-5 membership on the field, not by past glories and lobbying.

  • Bluto Sandy, UT
    Dec. 2, 2017 9:09 a.m.

    @Naval--the frog i.e., Uteology

    BYU is a Top 30 program Nationally in attendance for Football and Basketball.
    Has been going on 40 years now.
    Utah never has nor will be.

    In fact, Utah inflates their attendance numbers. 13k announced fans in basketball recently and the gym was not even 1/3 full.

    #Insecure brothers at Eccles U, still trying to keep up with BYU, by hook or crook..

  • adamz West Valley, UT
    Dec. 2, 2017 9:08 a.m.

    Remember, remember
    Independent scheduling
    In November

  • Counter Intelligence Salt Lake City, UT
    Dec. 2, 2017 7:51 a.m.

    Naval Vet
    I am sure BYU fans appreciate your noting that in the worst season in 63 years (all teams have them)  BYU still had more fans in attendance than any other school locally and most schools nationally and were still bringing in thousands of fans to away games at meaningless, non conference, poor record games in far flung places like Honolulu, Las Vegas, Fresno and Greenville North Carolina - sometimes having more fans than the home team.  Very few other schools can do that, even in a good year.
    As usual, your trolling was more reflective than effective

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    Dec. 2, 2017 7:26 a.m.

    @toosmartforyou

    If utah has another 6-6 year or worse they won't need to expand like the Y did in 1982.

    ------

    Really? Is that why even after two 5-7 seasons Utah has 51 consecutive sellouts?

    This isn't 1982, attendance is on the decline due to availability of games on TV. Even with that and high prices Utah continues to sellout, we need another 10K seats.

  • Bluto Sandy, UT
    Dec. 2, 2017 6:48 a.m.

    Too many dogs in the AAC and Mountain West for BYU to align themselves with.
    Take the best of both conferences, for a new league.

    The Continental Conference...

    Here are the Teams with their avg. attendance figures for (2016).

    WEST:

    -BYU (58k)
    -Boise State (34k)
    -Colorado State (30k)
    -Air Force (30k)
    -UNLV (because it's VEGAS!) (18k)
    -San Diego State (37k)
    -Houston (40k)
    -SMU (because it's Dallas) (24K)

    EAST:

    -UCONN (27k)
    -East Carolina (44k)
    -Navy (32k)
    -Army (33k)
    -Cincinnati (34)
    -Memphis (38k)
    -South Florida (38k)
    -Central Florida (36k)

    Eliminated...Teams that barely draw 20k.
    New Mexico, San Jose St., Fresno St., Utah State, Hawaii, Tulsa, Tulane

  • Bluto Sandy, UT
    Dec. 2, 2017 5:49 a.m.

    Hilarious!

    Even with BYU's worst team in over "6 Decades"...

    BYU still outdraws the Mid-Major Commuter School, i.e Eccles U., of the Pac-12!

  • toosmartforyou Kaysville, UT
    Dec. 1, 2017 10:25 p.m.

    Almost pathetic, but mostly humorous, to hear all the ute fans and out-of-state fans say how unimportant attendance is (while they brag about the number of sold-out games they've had) and then fail to explain why BYU is way above the average of most P-5 schools in the country.

    Just answer these two questions:
    1) What was the attendance like during last year's 9-4 independent team's home games?
    2) Again, what was the total number of attendees for years 1982-2017 for both Utah and BYU? This is a fair question because the article seems to want to compare the two sized stadiums and attendance records, so just do that in away that also includes the grand total, please. Be congruent and complete in your analysis and don't just use 2017 even though BYU still had the edge that year as well.

  • AFCoug Colorado Springs, CO
    Dec. 1, 2017 9:49 p.m.

    So our average attendance has fallen off during independence bit the whole reason for independence was to play better teams and fill Lavell Edwards Stadium and be on ESPN. Seems a bit backwards that attendance has fallen so far. Maybe playing for conference championships and having rivals is better than playing P5 schools every year. Ater all is this the route that Louisville, Utah, and TCU took into a P5 conference? Maybe BYU should focus on getting better, beating up the little guys (not this year) and beating a P5 team or 2 every year while losing 1 - 2 P5 schools and making a New Years Bowl game as the highest ranked non P5 school? That is how other teams have done it.

  • cougarsrock Springville, UT
    Dec. 1, 2017 8:20 p.m.

    Just win Baby and they will come ......

  • No Conference Will Take Us SEATTLE, WA
    Dec. 1, 2017 8:19 p.m.

    Win or lose. There is one thing they can do to pack the stadium.
    Just give away more free ice cream.

    It was fun to read about Wisconsin fans watching their team trash BYU while eating free ice cream.

    They could even come up with new flavors such as Turnover Toffee, Lack of Offense Orange Sorbet, Pathetic Passing Postum Ripple and No Bowl Blueberry.

  • Osgrath Cedar Hills - Utah, UT
    Dec. 1, 2017 7:46 p.m.

    As a long-time BYU fan, I really wish that some of the other BYU "fans" would quit comparing themselves and the team they "support" to the Ute fans and Ute program. How is which program fills a larger percentage of its stadium or has more total fans at all significant? What is the importance of who has the better team? What's wrong with having the person's locus of control within so that other people don't dictate whether you are happy, content or satisfied. I'm afraid that so many fans on both sides of the issue can be happy only if the members of the other side are miserable?

  • 79Ute Orange County, CA
    Dec. 1, 2017 7:06 p.m.

    UteNationAlum wrote:

    "I'm curious to hear what Cougar fans have to say about this since we have been hearing for years about how tiny Rice Eccles is. What's better, a smaller stadium that is packed every night, or a larger stadium that is 2/3 full? Just sayin'."

    According to the stats presented in the article, the average attendance in 2017 at LES was 88.6% of capacity - more than 20 points higher than your "⅔ full" hyperbole. Not bad in BYU football's annus horribilis.

    There is no need to exaggerate facts that can be objectively demonstrated, unless you're just trolling. I see no reason for the animosity...just sayin'.

    FYI, I'm a U alum who is enough of a fan to have attended every football game at then Rice Stadium as a student for seven years during some lean attendance years, almost all of the U's games in SoCal over the years, and a great Fiesta Bowl game a few years back. I'm happy for our current attendance success at RES and our Pac-12 membership so I can enjoy an annual game at either the Rose Bowl or the Coliseum - whether we win or lose, as we did in an exciting game at USC this year.

  • Uncle Rico Provo, UT
    Dec. 1, 2017 7:04 p.m.

    It would help if every game was not an exhibition game.
    Join a conference!

  • FREDSKUTTLE Sylacauga, AL
    Dec. 1, 2017 5:59 p.m.

    Without a conference championship to play for and only a undefeated season to make us relevant; I don't see this getting any better. Yeah I bleed white and blue but TV is good enough when games are relegated to exposition level.

  • Ghost Writer GILBERT, AZ
    Dec. 1, 2017 4:53 p.m.

    I do hope the school doesn't spend a lot of money on a study to ascertain why attendance is down.

  • 65TossPowerTrap Salmon, ID
    Dec. 1, 2017 4:23 p.m.

    Not to diminish the importance of attendance and the quality of the product on the field, but college football attendance is declining across the nation. Attendance at BSU games continues to decline each year. Many fans have grown weary of late game times and high ticket prices. Having said all that - BYU's attendance decline this past season is not hard to decipher.

  • LadyMoon Crestucky, FL
    Dec. 1, 2017 4:07 p.m.

    Why should we come watch a team that has no incentive to play or motivation to win? We’ve created a perfect vacuum for our players to fall into, amounting to a no fault, no risk regular season that’s coupled with a near zero chance of ever playing in a major bowl game. My fear is that BYU will never thrive as a football power again unless and until they find a Conference home. I see no other solution that would better benefit the players considering a football career as a Cougar. Every season being a string of games the equivalent of ‘friendly matches’ are becoming increasingly tiresome.

  • kaysvillecougar KAYSVILLE, UT
    Dec. 1, 2017 3:44 p.m.

    This is one of the many "pile on BYU" articles by the local media. I attended the Boise State game. I was amazed at how patient BYU fans were with their team who was laying an egg, one of many this year. I was amazed at how good the attendance was considering the factors that many have already articulated. I want to take my kids to a BYU basketball game, but you can't get anything less than nosebleed seats unless you're a season ticket holder or a student. Not very fun for those outside of Utah County. Here's hoping for a good basketball season and better football season next year. I will always cheer on my Cougars! Go Cougars!

  • sunny25 St George, UT
    Dec. 1, 2017 3:39 p.m.

    The increase in ticket prices in recent years, particularly season tickets for sideline seats, has been a factor in the decreased attendance. The other major factor is independence and the number of home games with unknown and/or unattractive opponents.

  • Juice Box Eureka, UT
    Dec. 1, 2017 3:34 p.m.

    I think Sooner Ute pretty much summed it up. Ticket sales aren't the only source of revenue anymore. Some fans like the in game experience. Some prefer a comfy seat on their couch watching it in HD. Either way, the program is getting paid.

    I'd like to see total program revenue stats, including ticket sales and all money from tv, but does BYU release that kind of information?

    BYU's underselling a 65k capacity stadium. Utah's selling out a 45k capacity stadium. If Utah has a higher net income, they're doing it right. If BYU does, well, they are right.

  • Not impressed Farmington, UT
    Dec. 1, 2017 3:34 p.m.

    I'd rather see BYU in the AAC instead of the MWC. Memphis, Houston, Army, Cincy and others at LES would be great

  • Procoug Layton, UT
    Dec. 1, 2017 3:24 p.m.

    BYU needs to get back to $5.00 youth group tickets. They will make up the difference in Cougar Dogs, popcorn and Cougar tails.
    Let’s build the next generation to Cougar fans.... oh and let’s bring back the Jim McMahon swagger. Go Cougars.

  • blue & white Boise, ID
    Dec. 1, 2017 3:22 p.m.

    I'm grateful we have a stadium the size we do. I think it helps keep ticket prices lower. We still manage to sell more seats then most P5 schools. This week Boise State is having a hard time to sell tickets for the Mountain West championship game Saturday, 5:45 PM kick off. 20,000 fans / 35,000 have purchased tickets. They even lowered ticket prices to $20 and $40 each. For as bad of a season it was we still had good attendance. go cougs!

  • yack spanish fork, UT
    Dec. 1, 2017 2:45 p.m.

    The main factors that have contributed to lower attendance are: More TV coverage, higher ticket prices, weak home schedule, late game starting times, too many Friday night games that conflict with high school football and a lack of entertaining football. There are 17 high schools in Utah County now who average around 1,500 per night. I doubt there is much anyone could do to change any of that since ESPN dictates when and what time. Going back to the MWC would peak my interest. I would much rather see Air Force, San Diego State, and Colorado State than most of the schools on our home schedule. Not a bad idea to either give away the seats we aren't selling or do a big reduction in the end zone seating prices.

  • vasislos Holbrook, AZ
    Dec. 1, 2017 2:41 p.m.

    So, in a down year more fans are at BYU home games than are at the home games of about 1/2 of those vaunted P5 programs!! Does not seem like a huge problem.

    Except that the potential revenue is not there. 10,000 less fans at, say, an average of $15 a ticket equals not making $150,000. Plus, the average paid for concessions might be around $5. Another $50,000. And I think those averages are low. That amount of money cannot be left on the table.

    I agree that better marketing needs to be employed. And, if BYU wants people in the stands and not on a couch in front of their TV, they need to provide much more of an experience than just the game. We need some original and dramatic thinking in regards to this.

    But, still, BYU is above average in home attendance, away attendance, TV viewership etc. Not including BYUtv. I wonder how many of those, what, 65 million homes with BYUtv watch the games. Does BYUtv have or do they release such information?

  • What in Tucket Provo, UT
    Dec. 1, 2017 2:20 p.m.

    The unknown factor is the TV audience. BYU TV covers a fairly wide area. TV revenue is not told. BYU stayed out of the Mountain West I thought because they had to give away a lot of that revenue.

  • INTELLECTUAL Salt Lake, UT
    Dec. 1, 2017 2:18 p.m.

    Not a lot of interest when you're playing Wagner, Toledo, and Umass at home.

    Return to the Mountain West and this problem easily improves. BYU vs Wyoming or Colorado State in Provo will draw a lot more interest.

    There are a lot of Colorado State and Wyoming alumni in Utah that would attend those games. How many Wagner or Umass alumni are there in Utah?.....

  • SoonerUte Salt Lake City, UT
    Dec. 1, 2017 2:11 p.m.

    The stadium is antiquated. Gone are the days when a team's primary revenue stream is ticket sales. The stadium is competing with high definition broadcasts and a new generation of fans with the attention span of a gnat.

    Downsize.

    Make the game day experience more appealing to the fans. Today that means comfortable seating, television screens, luxury boxes, improved concessions, wi-fi that works. The Utah Jazz renovated their arena, while reducing seating from 19, 911 to 18,150. The "shrink and improve" model works.

    If pride insists that you have capacity bragging rights, reduce seating to 56,000 if the Utes go with 55,000. Then you can say you beat them at something.

  • xert Santa Monica, CA
    Dec. 1, 2017 2:10 p.m.

    Attendance hits new low----Or, as Donald Trump would put it--"The greatest numbers we've seen in a long, looong time."

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    Dec. 1, 2017 2:00 p.m.

    Worst attendance since the 1980s? Haha! And to think that cougar fans were bragging about how half the fans in Las Vegas and Honolulu were THEIR fans! And despite the fact that the attendances at both games were (1) well below capacity, and (2) right around their Home season averages!

    Silly cougies! If you can't sell out your OWN stadium, quit trying to dupe folks into believing that you're packing them in on the road.

  • UU Provo, UT
    Dec. 1, 2017 1:47 p.m.

    not too smart,

    Yeah, I heard that unicorns live in Provo, doesn't make it true.

  • NevadaCoug Overton, NV
    Dec. 1, 2017 1:44 p.m.

    I'll follow up on the comments about ticket prices being crazy high. I was considering doing the double feature for the Saturday of the last home game (football in the afternoon, basketball that night). I looked into ticket prices and couldn't find a decent seat for less than $50. For either game. In the end, I decided that it wasn't worth it. Even if I just took one other person from my family I was looking at prices in excess of $100 for each game, and that is before I factored in the cost of a lengthy drive to and from the game, hotel cost, etc.

    For a team with a losing record, playing UMass? No thankyou.

    And after they lost in both sports that day, I'm much relieved.

    When I was a student, we had lean years as well. But we still went to the games because they at least had an entertaining product. Barely being able to squeak out 10 points against a bad UMass team is not entertaining. Which is why people don't show up. Make tickets cheaper and they will.

  • toosmartforyou Kaysville, UT
    Dec. 1, 2017 1:09 p.m.

    Wasn't there a game where the ute stadium was practically empty during the 2nd half this year? I think I remember reading that somewhere. Even with all their issues the Y has more people in the seats than the sold-out tiny ute stadium. If utah had a year like BYU they'd be lucky to have an average of 20,000 in the stands after the first half of every game.

    Not to go back too far in history, but how many years now (did I hear 1982?) has the cougar stadium (Now Lavell Edwards Stadium) been filled with 60,000+ fans almost every game? What's the grand total of fans from 1982-2017? If utah has another 6-6 year or worse they won't need to expand like the Y did in 1982. For my tax dollars, be sure before you spend them, please. And maybe let's hear from about 20 more ute fans about it's all due to "independence." What was the attendance for last year's 9-4 independent team?

  • 7 in a row! Ogden, UT
    Dec. 1, 2017 1:02 p.m.

    There’s no place like Home, there’s no place like Home (indie), there’s no place like Hom... (indie)..., there’s no place like indie..., there’s no place like indie... there’s no place... but indie...

    Has the AD earned his salary? It was a choice to go indie... a terrible choice. I’ll just have to side with the man who’s name is on the stadium and a few of his out spoken players.

    And the so called extra money is...

    I know the stadium wasn’t 2/3 full for the San Jose game. It was more than half empty. The hot dog was great.

  • Justmythoughts Provo, UT
    Dec. 1, 2017 12:57 p.m.

    In past years, not so much this year for obvious reasons, the Saturday night start times of 8:15 pm made it so that I usually got home from the game around 2:30 am. That is problematic when your church meetings start at 6:00 am on Sunday morning.

  • Justmythoughts Provo, UT
    Dec. 1, 2017 12:57 p.m.

    In past years, not so much this year for obvious reasons, the Saturday night start times of 8:15 pm made it so that I usually got home from the game around 2:30 am. That is problematic when your church meetings start at 6:00 am on Sunday morning.

  • Striker Omaha, NE
    Dec. 1, 2017 12:55 p.m.

    Yep Josh, 56k is still a great average. An international fan base will always cheer for their team. A lower attendance is common for most programs when the team doesn't win. Fantastic schedules coming up will keep the season ticket holders in tact.
    This is hardly a story.

  • Some.BYU.Dude Mesa, AZ
    Dec. 1, 2017 12:49 p.m.

    Quality of opponents isn't a reason. It's not like we were bringing in any better in the MWC days. It's a matter of how the team is performing, and also, it seems everywhere people are opting to watch from home now on the TV. The game's are televised well enough that most people that pay for their TV bills don't want to pay to go to the games. I live in Mesa, and I have two season tickets, while combined, my family has 19. I love attending the games. It's been something my family and I have done for decades. Just makes me sad to see attendance dipping.

  • steve24/7 Sandy, UT
    Dec. 1, 2017 12:42 p.m.

    Winning ....and not charging too much to see the games....fixes everything.

  • Rob of NV Las Vegas, NV
    Dec. 1, 2017 12:40 p.m.

    A factor in the attendance drop is the availability of watching BYU on TV. For instance, in '85 BYU had 5 games televised of which 3 were national on a young ESPN, 1 regional and 1 national telecast - the Citrus Bowl. Of the 3 other national games, 2 were in Provo. Back then, TV had blackout rules so that if a game was not soldout there was no local broadcast. Interestingly, through '85 BYU had only appeared on TV 43 times in its history - 22 regional, 21 national of which 10 were bowl games. At that time, BYU had only appeared on a national network (ABC/CBS/NBC) 3 times. For BYU fans outside of UT to see home Cougar football games they had to go to their local LDS Church to view the game over the Church satellite system. Access to BYU football on TV is much greater now and people do not need to go to the stadium to see the Cougars play. Another factor is game time. BYU's home games in '85 were played on Sat afternoon. For TV, BYU has now moved many of its games to Thu and Fri evenings which, for various reasons, affects attendance. Also, increased ticket costs have priced out many BYU/LDS families. Economics - elasticity of demand. Ticket prices should be lowered.

  • Stringer Bell Salt Lake City, UT
    Dec. 1, 2017 12:30 p.m.

    Stealthblue: “Seems marketing should never want a seat empty or unpaid for. They should be able to find charity groups or others like pass of passes to fill those empty seats for cheap $$/offers/deals/groupdeals. Selling out a full crowd is smart $ as well as support for the team. I understand you can't make higher paying seaons ticket holders feel undercuted but there are creative marketing ways, supprising they aren't maximizing fans at games and $ in pocket at LES?"

    I believe the current numbers include give aways and Hogi Yogi deals, etc. It’s tough for anyone to fill very large stadiums these days. That’s why Utah is approaching expansion cautiously and should not entertain anything over 55,000.

  • patriot Cedar Hills, UT
    Dec. 1, 2017 12:27 p.m.

    there will always be about 40000 that attend games no matter. To get back to 65000 BYU is going to have to win. I noticed how expensive endzone tickets are now per game -- like $80 a game. BYU is going to have reduce ticket prices in half if they expect to come close to filling the stadium. Obvioulsy they can't and won't do that so now what? Is 40k fans enough to fund the program? That is a decision for administartion. BYU also has zero bowl game reveune this year.

  • MT Coug Billings, MT
    Dec. 1, 2017 12:27 p.m.

    We attend homecoming each year. Each year the prices continue to skyrocket for decent seats. We even had to buy on the secondary market this year to get good seats. Makes it hard to want to keep attending.

  • london_josh lincoln, CA
    Dec. 1, 2017 12:11 p.m.

    The average was 56k, not bad at all. I'm sure this will bring on tons of comments from ute fans but in average in a horrible season BYU got 10k than the ute capacity despite provo being significantly smaller than slc, really no comparison.

    So in a horrible season only 820 less people attended each game? That's not so bad.

    Kind of expected to be down, not the end of the world, just win more games. That drop in revenue is probably only about $125,000. I keep hearing how this year was so bad being independent, we're still making way more than the mwc teams do in our bad year out of many since going indy.

    It's a story, good facts, not really a major alarm.

  • EightOhOne St. George, UT
    Dec. 1, 2017 12:07 p.m.

    Wow, 13 of the 20 worst attended games have come during the Independence era. Still think Independence is the answer??

  • Ares Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Dec. 1, 2017 12:05 p.m.

    So I guess a stadium of 65k really doesn't mean much if you can't fill it, eh?

  • WaybackCougar Salt Lake City, UT
    Dec. 1, 2017 12:04 p.m.

    Let me second the suggestion for chocolate-covered Cougar Tails. That might just manage to tip the scales in favor of renewing my season tix for next year.

  • Henry Drummond San Jose, CA
    Dec. 1, 2017 11:47 a.m.

    I'm not sure what is going to turn this situation around. It seems like they need a Big Hire at Offensive Coordinator and I'm not sure there is one on the horizon. They may have trouble replacing the position coaches as well. In January teams can start hiring a 10th coach which could reduce the pool of available unemployed candidates considerably. Meanwhile, those who are employed may be adverse to hopping onto the Titanic after its already hit the iceberg... multiple times.

  • Deanvrtc Vancouver, WA
    Dec. 1, 2017 11:47 a.m.

    This is a no brainer. Start winning again and fans will come. Who wants to watch an inept program, despite the legitimate excuses. You gotta win before fans will start showing up again like the good old days....

  • 1984! Fayetteville, NC
    Dec. 1, 2017 11:46 a.m.

    We may not want to admit it but Utah moving to the PAC 12 is what has primarily dropped attendance since 2011. We all see USC, UCLA,Washington and Stanford playing in SLC and we might get 1-2 similar draws a year. In the MWC days, games like BYU vs. Wyoming were the biggest games in the state am a given weekend, so people would attend. Now BYU vs Wyoming pales in comparison to USC/Stanford playing 45 minutes away. The CFB landscape changed when Utah went to the PAC 12. I know many BYU fans that have gone to RES to watch a big name team play on the same night BYU played. This is not complimenting Utah in any way. It’s a compliment to the 3-4 PAC teams that make an impact nationally each year. I also must admit it’s unfair to compare Utah’s attendance to BYUs as Utah’s current stadium is incapable of holding more than 46,000. If it was I’d imagine they would fill up around 55k regularly considering their streak of sell outs and price of tickets.

  • UteNationAlum Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Dec. 1, 2017 11:44 a.m.

    I'm curious to hear what Cougar fans have to say about this since we have been hearing for years about how tiny Rice Eccles is. What's better, a smaller stadium that is packed every night, or a larger stadium that is 2/3 full?

    Just sayin'.

  • stealthblue Herriman, UT
    Dec. 1, 2017 11:42 a.m.

    Seems marketing should never want a seat empty or unpaid for. They should be able to find charity groups or others like pass of passes to fill those empty seats for cheap $$/offers/deals/groupdeals. Selling out a full crowd is smart $ as well as support for the team. I understand you can't make higher paying seaons ticket holders feel undercuted but there are creative marketing ways, supprising they aren't maximizing fans at games and $ in pocket at LES?

  • FT salt lake city, UT
    Dec. 1, 2017 11:22 a.m.

    What's more important is momentum and trends. Those don't look well for the program. First thing that is needed is a return to a conference and the sooner the school realizes that, the better.