Op-ed: What Trump's visit to Utah really means

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  • Lib on Planet Zion Salt Lake City, UT
    Dec. 1, 2017 9:57 a.m.

    patriot -

    "Wish I could meet this president. I would stand in line for hours. Great man!! Honor to have him in Utah".

    The good news is the line will not be very long! Furthermore.

    "Great men" mock the disabled?
    "Great men" are misogynistic?
    "Great men" engage in ongoing bigotry?
    "Great men" attack members of their own presidential cabinet?
    "Great men" send out Tweets which could begin nuclear proliferation in a very unstable area?
    "Great men" constantly attack the media?
    "Great men" question the origin of birth of previous presidents when they have apologized for this ridiculous claim in the past?
    "Great men" make statements regarding possibly dating their daughter?
    "Great men" openly brag about sexual assault?
    "Great men" use racial slurs?
    "Great men" file numerous bankruptcies?
    "Great men" have approval ratings between 33%-38%, which are declining hourly?

    Guess again comrade! We obviously have quite the difference in opinion regarding what truly constitutes a "Great man". It is absolutely none of the above regardless of the frivolous spin and the screaming of "fake news" in order to distort factual information. Country before party! Thank you and Happy Holidays!

  • Liberal On Planet Zion SLC, UT
    Dec. 1, 2017 9:35 a.m.

    patriot -

    "Wish I could meet this president. I would stand in line for hours. Great man!! Honor to have him in Utah".

    The good news is the line will not be very long! Furthermore.

    "Great men" mock the disabled?
    "Great men" are misogynistic?
    "Great men" engage in ongoing bigotry?
    "Great men" attack members of their own presidential cabinet?
    "Great men" send out Tweets which could begin nuclear proliferation in a very unstable area?
    "Great men" constantly attack the media?
    "Great men" question the origin of birth of previous presidents when they have apologized for this ridiculous claim in the past?
    "Great men" make statements regarding possibly dating their daughter?
    "Great men" openly brag about sexual assault?
    "Great men" use racial slurs?
    "Great men" file numerous bankruptcies?
    "Great men" have approval ratings between 33%-38%, which are declining hourly?

    Guess again comrade! We obviously have quite the difference in opinion regarding what truly constitutes a "Great man". It is absolutely none of the above regardless of the frivolous spin and the screaming of "fake news" in order to distort factual information. Country before party! Thank you and Happy Holidays!

  • silo Sandy, UT
    Nov. 30, 2017 11:09 p.m.

    @rifleman
    "Your obvious error makes people wonder if there is a bias somewhere."

    My post clearly states that my numbers are a yearly average.

    Obama signed 276 executive orders per year across an 8 year term, or just over 34 per year on average.

    Trump has signed 52 executive orders as of November of this year, putting him on pace to average 60 by years end.

    There's no bias in documented facts.

  • Liberal On Planet Zion SLC, UT
    Nov. 30, 2017 5:36 p.m.

    patriot -

    "Wish I could meet this president. I would stand in line for hours. Great man!! Honor to have him in Utah".

    The good news is the line will not be very long! Furthermore.

    "Great men" mock the disabled?
    "Great men" are misogynistic?
    "Great men" engage in ongoing bigotry?
    "Great men" attack members of their own presidential cabinet?
    "Great men" send out Tweets which could begin nuclear proliferation in a very unstable area?
    "Great men" constantly attack the media?
    "Great men" question the origin of birth of previous presidents when they have apologized for this ridiculous claim in the past?
    "Great men" make statements regarding possibly dating their daughter?
    "Great men" openly brag about sexual assault?
    "Great men" use racial slurs?
    "Great men" file numerous bankruptcies?
    "Great men" have approval ratings between 33%-38%, which are declining hourly?

    Guess again comrade! We obviously have quite the difference in opinion regarding what truly constitutes a "Great man". It is absolutely none of the above regardless of the frivolous spin and the screaming of "fake news" in order to distort factual information. Country before party! Thank you and Happy Holidays!

  • Happy Valley Heretic Orem, UT
    Nov. 30, 2017 1:04 p.m.

    2 bits

    Your last comment was quite entertaining as you point out that Clinton lied about a Monica, and then go on to claim that he lied as much as Trump?

    Not even in the same galaxy as the unquestioned champion of dishonesty which seems to be wearing of on his fan club. Yes others lie and have lied, but to compare them with Donald is laughable, He stands alone.

    Or that because he had an affair that is comparable to bragging about groping women and walking in women's dressing rooms, because he a "Star" Did Bill Clinton endorse pedophiles?
    He was being investigated by a GOP pedophile (Hastert) who was paying of his victims, but that's hardly an endorsement , is it?

    If Utah supports Trump, they support Putin's agenda, how many more of Trumps close personal group will be caught lying on disclosure forms or about Russian connections, before the GOP put America first?

  • patriot Cedar Hills, UT
    Nov. 30, 2017 12:45 p.m.

    Wish I could meet this president. I would stand in line for hours. Great man!! Honor to have him in Utah.

  • 2 bits Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Nov. 30, 2017 12:09 p.m.

    @GaryO - Virginia Beach
    RE: "It means that Utah is simpatico with the Putin puppet"...
    ---
    Yah. Utahns Love Putin...

    Prove it.

    ==

    RE: "Trump, the illegitimate President of the United States"...
    ---
    He's as "legitimate" as any President ever elected.

    ==

    RE: "The world's most infamous sexual predator"...
    ---
    Next to Bill Clinton.

    ==

    RE: "A fraud, and pathological liar"...
    ---
    Like Clinton?

    or Pelosi, Reid, or Schumer.

    Lieing isn't unique to Trump. Or Republicans. If you open your eyes... you would see Democrats lie, as do most politicians.

    Check the Fact Check pages on the Clinton-Trump debates. They were both throwing things out that weren't true (not just Trump).

    President Clinton lied.

    That one about never having relations with Monica Lewinski turned out to be a real whopper... didn't it?

    Clinton was a lier.

    ==

    RE: . . . And you think that's something to be proud of?"...
    ---
    Your comments go both ways. Democrats are not pure.

    We can bicker about who lied more times (Clinton or Trump) but that gets us nowhere. Scoring on how many (like less than the other is OK).

    Truth is... Trump is as honest as most Democrats.

  • Liberal On Planet Zion SLC, UT
    Nov. 30, 2017 11:52 a.m.

    Barker -

    "Anyone with a 401K should warmly greet President Trump and thank him. The DOW hit another record high today anticipating tax reform".

    Another day. Another misguided, non factual rant praising the Supreme Leader. My assumption purely based upon your statements is that you haven't read this tax bill once! If so you would realize it is catastrophic for yourself and the middle class! Meanwhile the top 1% receive yet more cuts and relief. Assure you Barker myself and family are in no need for these cuts/relief! Possibly obtain factual information and a true understanding of the subject matter prior to offering unwavering support to the Tweeter and Chief. If you believe I'm mistaken simply prove it with credible, cited, source material. Thank you and Happy Holidays!

  • GaryO Virginia Beach, VA
    Nov. 30, 2017 11:02 a.m.

    "What Trump's visit to Utah really means"

    It means that Utah is simpatico with the Putin puppet, Donald (grab 'em by the wherever) Trump, the illegitimate President of the United States and the world's most infamous serial sexual predator, fraud, and pathological liar.

    . . . And you think that's something to be proud of ?

  • 2 bits Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Nov. 30, 2017 9:53 a.m.

    @Dmorgan
    RE: "With Senator Hatch's office arranging a meeting between LDS Church leaders and President Trump, this amounts to little more than a campaign opportunity for Orrin Hatch to again enhance the optics that the LDS Church de facto supports the Republican Party"...
    ---
    Not really.

    Taking Trump to Welfare Square or meeting with church leaders doesn't send the message that the church is defacto R.

    Obama met with Church leaders when he visited Utah. It's normal.

    Be a little even-handed.

    ===

    @mightyhunter
    RE: "Fast forward twenty yrs. Our kids and grandchildren will be out hunting. They look up at the horizon or at the landscape an what will they see? Oil pumps, roads pipelines and other industrial buildings".
    ===
    Over-drama IMO.

    There are no pipelines proposed for the area.

    No industrial buildings planned.

    I don't know of a plan for oil pumps on this Federal land, but even if they do... they don't put them side-by-side everywhere like you pretend.

    Even in most dense oil fields in Utah (which these areas are not) pumps are not everywhere or close together.

    This is not the huge problem you make it out to be.

    It will still be federally managed.

  • Prometheus Platypus Orem, UT
    Nov. 30, 2017 9:20 a.m.

    Pretty sure it means another discombobulated speech that wanders between denigrating someone or some group, followed by self congratulatory exaggerations, closing with some jingoistic threat.

    Seems to be the formula for winning?

  • 2 bits Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Nov. 30, 2017 9:02 a.m.

    Cont

    It could also mean Trump is still campaigning. Democrats are still campaigning. They seem to not know that the campaign is over, and can't accept that Hillary lost.

    Some are campaign against Trump as if the election is still pending. It's not. It's over.

    Or they are super-early for next Presidential election. But it's way early to start the next campaign.

    I think both parties are in constant-campaign-mode today. And so is the media. They love the action and salaciousness of political campaigns. They would Love to keep it going. They make money out of keeping the people interested and watching their programming (especially their news programming). Interest and viewership is super-high during presidential campaigns. I think they notice stuff like that.

    ==

    RE: "Utahns more than the D.C. bureaucrats who believe they can better manage these lands from afar" (from letter)...
    ---
    James,
    The land that falls outside the NM after Trump's Executive Order will still be managed by the Feds. And it was managed by the Feds before Obama's Executive Order.

    Nothing much changes either way. It was "managed from afar" before. It will be "managed from afar" after.

  • 2 bits Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Nov. 30, 2017 8:51 a.m.

    RE: "What Trump's visit to Utah really means"...
    ---
    I don't know what it means for sure. Nobody knows for sure.

    IMO it means at least he knows Utah exists, and Utah matters.

    President Obama probably knew Utah existed, but he acted like Utah didn't matter. He never even visited Utah until the end of his 2nd term. Not one visit to Utah in his first term. And I think he only visited Utah at the end of his 2nd term because someone pointed out that he hadn't visited all the States he was President of yet. (there were only 2 left, Utah and North Dakota, and he checked them both off his list the same month). Probably something he had on his "to do" list the whole 8 years and just took him awhile to get around to it (almost 8 years).

    Trump is visiting Utah in his first year (instead of his last year). That's quite a contrast.

    So I'm glad he knows we exist. And seems to think that we matter.

    ===

    It could be he is just campaigning for Hatch's re-election. Could be.

    ===

    He could also be here because he heard some complaints from the locals in Utah about how the Bears Ears deal was done, and the size of both Bears Ears and Grand Staircase, compared to other NMs.

    Cont.

  • Dmorgan Herriman, UT
    Nov. 30, 2017 8:50 a.m.

    With Senator Hatch's office arranging a meeting between LDS Church leaders and President Trump, this amounts to little more than a campaign opportunity for Orrin Hatch to again enhance the optics that the LDS Church de facto supports the Republican Party and should therefore support Orrin Hatch for another term. I expect a formal re-election announcement sometime in January. The number of editorials appearing in the Deseret News supporting Orrin Hatch are increasing. I don't believe it's coincidence. As far as the actual rollback of the National Monument boundaries, all it will do is keep both Grand Staircase and Bears Ears embroiled in lawsuits for years, at unnecessary cost to taxpayers.

  • mightyhunterhaha Layton, UT
    Nov. 30, 2017 8:49 a.m.

    So what does this all mean? What will be the results? Fast forward twenty yrs or more. Our kids and grandchildren will be out hunting. They look up at the horizon or at the landscape an what will they see? Oil pumps, roads pipelines and other industrial buildings or equipment. They will find elk laying on the concrete pads.Say that won't happen? I will call you on it! Go to the Book Cliffs and other areas, it has already begun and it will be made worse. Where we grew up seeing the beauty of Utah or children will find industry.

  • Misty Mountain Kent, WA
    Nov. 30, 2017 8:24 a.m.

    " My impression from our meeting was his profound respect for fellow Americans who fled religious persecution in the past and, against seemingly insurmountable odds, transformed their land into a prosperous present-day Utah."

    My impression is that Trump has zero respect for anybody and is only interested in what he can get from them to increase his power or increase his wealth.

    If an Evangelical politician--let's say Roy Moore--was talking privately to Trump and made some denigrating comments about Mormons--do you think that Trump would disagree? Seriously?

  • Happy Valley Heretic Orem, UT
    Nov. 30, 2017 8:23 a.m.

    Lillie Claims: "We are suffering in Garfield County. Let us have a chance to use the land as we have in the past. We have not destroyed our public lands like so many areas. We want to take care of it just let us use it."

    Please elaborate on what jobs were stolen by declaring the monument.
    Be specific, because there are more cattle/sheep permits available then are being used inside the Staircase. School trust land was compensated with better and more land in trade.

    I just stayed a what appeared to be a brand new Hotel in Escalante, because there's no economy there?

  • Rifleman Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 30, 2017 7:58 a.m.

    silo - Sandy, UT

    Your nujbers are wrong. Obama signed a total of 44 executive orders and Trump has signed a total of 45 executive orders to date.

    Your obvious error makes people wonder if there is a bias somewhere.

  • JWB Kaysville, UT
    Nov. 29, 2017 11:29 p.m.

    The contributor of this article is really biased and emphasizing curtailing government that is to be for the good and safety of society.under the current President and the Secretaries of all Departments. The Congress is complicit as they have waited 8 years to do something and they now have President Trump. When the Monuments are decreased that will be a sad day for Utahns and the nation and tourism. The environment in those areas will be impacted as corporations that will develop the area won’ th ave the same environmental standards as The EPA is being dismantled step by step.

    Senator Hatch and. Congressman Bishop are ecstatic and can’t wait for Monday.

    The Senator takes the Presidential entourage to the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints to let President Trump visit the Church leaders.

    We already know what he believes about women, harassment, and Mitt Romney and Senator Harry Reid from Nevada and other good people. At least there aren’t very many Democrats in power in Utah he can disparage except for Salt Lake City and County where he is visiting.

    President Trump Supports Roy Moore.

  • silo Sandy, UT
    Nov. 29, 2017 10:36 p.m.

    @nonamesaccepted

    "Obama ruled by exec order "

    Obama used executive order fewer times than any president going back to Grover Cleveland. No objective look at the number of executive orders issued by president would remotely classify Obama as 'ruling by exec order'.

    In fact, actual data shows that Trump has almost doubled the rate of executive orders that Obama had.

    Executive orders per yer (average), per the national archives and whitehouse website

    Obama: 34
    Trump: 60

  • no fit in SG St.George, UT
    Nov. 29, 2017 9:41 p.m.

    Much of the state has decided to be elsewhere should Trump actually come to Utah.
    Perhaps Trump could delay the Utah visit a couple of years or forever, by simply remembering and respecting our Native American brothers and sisters?

  • Lillie Panguitch, UT
    Nov. 29, 2017 9:14 p.m.

    Living in Garfield County I can tell you private land was "grabbed". The Grandstaircase National Monument is a joke. It protects sage brush and cedar trees. All of the important things that need protecting could be protected in less than half what they took.

    All the big promises of great paying jobs have not come about. Escalante's High School now has less than 70 students.

    We are suffering in Garfield County. Let us have a chance to use the land as we have in the past. We have not destroyed our public lands like so many areas. We want to take care of it just let us use it.

  • Thid Barker Victor, ID
    Nov. 29, 2017 9:13 p.m.

    UtahBlueDevil: Yes, I give President Trump credit! If the stock market and the economy were tanking now, you wouldn't blame Obama, you would blame President Trump! So, which way is it? Since the economy is growing and the stock market is in record territory, I give credit where credit is due! Thank God for President Trump!

  • Lillie Panguitch, UT
    Nov. 29, 2017 9:02 p.m.

    The Feds grabbed land in the Grand Staircase that was private land. The first lined Clinton signed of on included Bryce Valley High Schools Track, 40 acres of farm ground, a local cemetery, and Henrieville Town's water system and Tanks. He just said we will take what we want.

    We have protected the land for years and will still do so but they took twice what they needed to protect the land including oil wells that have worked for years.

    Give us a break down here and let us live too.

  • UtahBlueDevil Durham, NC
    Nov. 29, 2017 8:19 p.m.

    "Anyone with a 401K should warmly greet President Trump and thank him. The DOW hit another record high today anticipating tax reform."

    You seem to be forgetting that under Obama the down went from 8K to 19K..... you seem to be missing that little gap. But I get it..... don't give credit to one dude, but give credit to the other.... for what ever reasons you want to believe. Funny.... you proclaimed Obama should get no credit for the nabbing of Osama bin Laden, but Trump should get credit for..... what again? Is it the R or D that makes the big difference.... or something else?

    Trumps visit to Utah is purely an undo Obama campaign.... somehow reducing the size of the federal lands to the size of federal lands is going to Make America Great Again. Not sure how changing the name of the sign will do much, since it was BLM managed lands, and will continue to be BLM managed lands. Just the color of the sign at the edge will change.

    I'm still waiting for someone to define to me what time Trump is trying to take us back to - when America was supposedly greater than it is now. What is that time? Anyone?

  • TAS Tehachapi, CA
    Nov. 29, 2017 7:31 p.m.

    Folks, the land in question was purchased by the Federal Government at the end of the Mexican War in 1848. It never was owned by the State of Utah or private individuals, there is no such thing as a Federal land grab. Private individuals may have obtained grazing rights, but that does not mean ownership of the land in question.

  • NoNamesAccepted St. George, UT
    Nov. 29, 2017 7:01 p.m.

    Time for the feds to keep their promises to rural, western residents. Those who rejoice in efforts to destroy rural lifestyle shout the loudest about wanting to preserve AmerIndian traditions and lifestyle.

    Obama ruled by exec order and libs applauded. Trump can undo via exec order whatever Obama did.

    You reap what you sow.

  • Shaun Sandy, UT
    Nov. 29, 2017 6:29 p.m.

    @thid

    Trump deserves zero credit for my or anyone’s success. I put the work in for my success.

    Trump is simply taking credit for things he had no part in.

  • Fabulous Jen Eagle Mountain, UT
    Nov. 29, 2017 5:33 p.m.

    I would like to see a similar example where a state DNC head had to write a long op-ed defending an Obama state visit. It's telling Davis feels a need to prop Trump up.

  • JBs Logan, UT
    Nov. 29, 2017 4:41 p.m.

    Mr. Evans meant what he wrote, I'm sure. I, for one, can't reconcile the things Mr. Trump has said and done with what Mr. Evans describes. He appears to see what he wants to see in Mr. Trump, but it doesn't have much to do with the reality of the presidency I've experienced.

  • eastcoastcoug Danbury, CT
    Nov. 29, 2017 4:35 p.m.

    Right. Two phrases stick out like sore thumbs in this editorial:

    1- My impression...
    2- I believe...

    Mr. Evans has created a whole alternate reality about Mr. Trump...like ALL Trumpites. In truth, Mr. Trump has such a twisted and limited understanding of anything of another culture or history. He admits openly he doesn't read books. He's a boxing and beauty pageant promoter. How would he possibly know anything about Utah's values or history or Mormonism?

    Let's stop fooling ourselves that we're going to have some kind of mind meld or sing cumbaya with Mr. Trump on Temple Square. This man is anathema to most everything that people in Utah hold dear.

  • RC in WJ WEST JORDAN, UT
    Nov. 29, 2017 4:32 p.m.

    Trump visiting Utah means the "greatest President Orin Hatch has ever served under" is coming to Utah. Hatch's own words!

    Hatch validates what 70% of U.S. citizens understand

    Trump is the face of the Republican Party. The Republicans spawned, nurtured and now own Trump, lock, stock and barrel. The face of the Republican Party is Trump, Bannon, Moore and the likes.

    Good choice Orin, great icons for the "Party of Family Ideals" certainly the Religeous Right.

  • Thid Barker Victor, ID
    Nov. 29, 2017 4:33 p.m.

    Anyone with a 401K should warmly greet President Trump and thank him. The DOW hit another record high today anticipating tax reform.

  • Prometheus Platypus Orem, UT
    Nov. 29, 2017 4:07 p.m.

    Means very little to most Utahans.

    Only the hardcore sycophants like James are excited.

    James stands to make a lot more money if people can't make ends meet because of the continued use of the failed trickle down scam, and crashing the economy. Payday lenders are like vultures, waiting to pick the carcasses of desperate people with no other choice. James makes a good Conservative/Trump Party first above country.

    Trump represents the GOP now, and they seem to like that?

  • Hutterite American Fork, UT
    Nov. 29, 2017 4:04 p.m.

    It probably mostly means a brief but more than welcome break for many white house staff.

  • stevo123 Driggs, ID
    Nov. 29, 2017 3:51 p.m.

    @ Bigger Bubba, How do the Feds grab lands they already own?

  • Impartial7 DRAPER, UT
    Nov. 29, 2017 3:52 p.m.

    @Bigger Bubba;
    "Hopefully it really means an end to heavy-handed, Democrat-driven, federal land grabs in the State of Utah."

    Could you please enlighten us of the Democrat driven federal land grabs that occurred in Utah. How about just 1? And, please use facts, not "alternative facts".

  • Bigger Bubba Herriman, UT
    Nov. 29, 2017 3:40 p.m.

    Hopefully it really means an end to heavy-handed, Democrat-driven, federal land grabs in the State of Utah.

  • fatenews Lehi, UT
    Nov. 29, 2017 3:40 p.m.

    With all that Trump has shown and demonstrated as a person and now as president, I don’t think I can believe anything he says - and does - to have any sincerity, truth or honesty. Take what he has said about Utahns at face value, otherwise nothing he says has any real and true value. Sad!

  • Impartial7 DRAPER, UT
    Nov. 29, 2017 3:23 p.m.

    "More to the point, I believe it is his respect for the qualities required of a people to achieve this level of success."

    Trump doesn't respect anyone and knows nothing of "work ethic". He inherited 400 million dollars. I'm sure he admires James Evans and his ability to charge poor people 1300% interest rates. Given today's backlash from the Native American leaders, I'm sure they can't wait to hear his plan for Bears Ears.