Top BYU recruit Tanner McKee affected by Ty Detmer's ouster but remains interested in Cougars

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  • poyman Lincoln City, OR
    Dec. 2, 2017 3:52 p.m.

    @navel,

    "...I have to laugh at how the cougars' program had regressed from "Kings of the WAC"..."
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    Laugh away... But while you are, try to think when utah has been the king of any conference... in fact try to think of a time when utah even played in a Conference Championship Game.

    Let me help you... "None"... and "They never have". Now that's funny

  • poyman Lincoln City, OR
    Dec. 2, 2017 3:37 p.m.

    @2bcswins (bigwow).

    "...the mighty cougies didn't beat a single ranked team that season not 1"

    ********

    A little homework always helps credibility... BYU beat Pitt (who was rated #3 at the time)... They also beat Michigan (A team that finished #2 in the country the following year. Michigan should have been #1 but got edged out by Oklahoma who had an identical record with Michigan 11-1 (the difference was that Michigan lost their game later in the season than did Oklahoma)... The year that BYU was unanimously voted the NATIONAL CHAMPIONS (1984 which as 33 years ago and not 40) Oklahoma played Washington in the Orange Bowl and OU's coach (Barry Switzer) was trying to make a claim that if they won they deserved the NC... Instead they god killed. Switzer then said that Washington should be the NC... The only problem? BYU beat Washington by 4 TDs 9 months later.

    Sorry that I had to be the one to point our your logistical flaw.

  • poyman Lincoln City, OR
    Dec. 2, 2017 1:01 a.m.

    @osgrath Part III (Sitaki, Holmoe, and BYU Culture)

    Sitaki has little to no experience in Offensive Skilled Positions but does have a ton of experience in managing Defenses and position groups on the "D" side of the ball. Consequently he could offer very little assistance or help to Detmer.... Additionally, Sitaki doesn't have that great of Resume... some success on Defense at utah, but horrible results as DC at OSU.

    I agree with you that Holmoe has demonstrated little to no ability to guide BYU's Athletic Program which probably has a lot to do with too many folks in the kitchen (BOT and School Admin)... I do believe however, that Independence was and is a better path than staying in the MWC... But a good AD would not be playing the victim... He should be requiring freedom in dealing with other ADs and Commissioners (within previously set parameters)... the BOTs and the Administration should only vote "yes" or "no" on propositions he brings to them... and Lawyers should only be present when an agreement needs to be written up.

    Conclusion, recruiting success follows exposure and that's P5 Conference exposure... And Holmoe is incapable of getting that done. We need an Ainge.

  • poyman Lincoln City, OR
    Dec. 2, 2017 12:37 a.m.

    @osgarth Part II Detmer

    Detmer wasn't new to coaching... He had a few years of successful experience at the HS level in Texas... not to mention the bench coaching he did for over his 12+ years in the NFL. His problem was he had to coach a very weak group of players that someone else recruited. Plus he had to deal with an unbelievable amount of injuries (He was down to his 4th and 5th string QBs and he only had 2 running backs left at the end of the season).

    Not too many quality coaches would be successful in that situation either. He should have had another year and maybe two to bring his own recruits into the system. I'm not sure that we would have had much of a shot in landing Tanner McKee, but now we have zero chance... He did get a couple of good HS QB prospects (i.e. Dinkleman) and He has been successful in capturing some high caliber talent in the WR position (Romney) and I would not be surprised if we have trouble hanging on to them now.

    Detmer was not the problem... The problem was and is Holmoe, our culture, and to a lesser degree Sitaki... I will explain that in Part III.

  • poyman Lincoln City, OR
    Dec. 2, 2017 12:22 a.m.

    Part I (Mangum)

    @osgrath

    Holy Cow, where to start?... First off, Mangum's first Hail Mary was in the Nebraska game in 2015 (not Michigan)... and Anae was not the DC he was the OC (Mendenhall acted as DC along with his HC responsibility).

    At the end of the 2015 Season Mangum was voted the Freshman POY according to the Columbus TD club, and he had a QB rating of 136 (pretty hot for a Freshman), threw for well over 3,000 yards (First BYU freshman to ever do that) and he had 23 TDs against 10 INTs (again, the most TD passes for a BYU freshman)... Those numbers got him on 2 or 3 different QB watch lists the following year (but that year belonged to Hill with the exception of a couple games which he won and turned in a 152 QBR).

    BYU's problems weren't so much coaching as they were recruiting... In 2017 Detmer and Mangum had pretty much a whole new crew of Receivers and they were bad (in comparison to the 2015 and 2016 crews).

  • Osgrath Cedar Hills - Utah, UT
    Nov. 30, 2017 6:54 p.m.

    What do Magic Johnson and Michael Jordan have in common in the area of coaching? Both were superlative players, one of the best of their respective eras. Both were disasters as coaches. The jury is still out on Magic as an administrator, but Jordan certainly didn't lead Charlotte to greatness, did he?

    On the other hand, some of the greatest coaches of all time were mediocre players. Charlie Lau was a .255 hitter for 11 years with a total of 16 home runs, yet he was the hitting coach that helped George Brett become the last hitter to flirt with a .400 average for a season: his books on hitting are highly regarded still 33 years after his death. Tommy Lasorda barely got into the major leagues, spending more than a decade in the minor leagues before getting into coaching, for which he got elected into the Baseball Hall of Fame.

    The fact that Ty Detmer was one of the greatest college quarterbacks of all time does not automatically give him the ability to coach well. Coaching involves less being able to do it than enabling others to do it. The fact that Ty has a profound knowledge of football offenses doesn't guarantee he can convey that knowledge effectively.

  • Osgrath Cedar Hills - Utah, UT
    Nov. 30, 2017 6:17 p.m.

    So many people writing that poor Ty was treated so unfairly, blaming Sitake and his culture of entitlement and favoritism. Facts do matter, people, and the truth is that BYU had one of the worst offenses in college football this past season. I was never Tanner Mangum's biggest fan. Even with the hail marys to beat Michigan and Boise State, I always sensed inaccuracy in his throws. I kept waiting for the old BYU plays of hitting the receiver in stride, who then picked up large yardage after catch. The receivers always had to turn or jump to catch Mangum's passes. This was while Anae ran the defense.

    A biblical proverb reads, "He who answereth a matter before he heareth it, it is folly and shame unto him." We know nearly nothing about the details of this case. We don't know whether Sitake unilaterally relieved Ty of his duties, or whether the AD had a role. People want Holmoe fired for taking the Cougars into independence, but given how things are done at BYU and in the Church that owns it, most likely he was acting under instructions from above. The critics cannot define the "culture of entitlement and favoritism," yet make such bizarre accusations.

  • reallY in sin city Las Vegas, NV
    Nov. 30, 2017 2:32 p.m.

    Get an EXPERIENCED OC but keep Detmer if possible in and way after this blunder/slap in the face. The more I think about it the more obvious, this was disastrously handled and makes it very tough for Ty to stay at Y. Tragic because he could be a huge asset as QB only coach. Foolish move. Give him a raise and make him qb coach, that’s the fix.

  • reallY in sin city Las Vegas, NV
    Nov. 30, 2017 1:35 p.m.

    This article illustrates how poorly this process was handled. Ty should been moved to “QB coach only” because he was overloaded as OC. That allows him to save face and keeps recruits like this coming to Y. Holmoe is to blame here, maybe KS a bit, but this was handled like the Hindenburg.

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    Nov. 30, 2017 1:06 p.m.

    bemorefair:

    "NavalVet has to laugh about BYU or else he'll cry thinking about the Utes losing 6 of their last 9 games. "

    ...said the little bro who'd lost 9 of his last 12!

    Typical hypocritical coug.

  • UU Provo, UT
    Nov. 30, 2017 1:00 p.m.

    @surf "...the most U can really brag about is 7 in a row against the supposed irrelevant program (yet here you are) as well as being in the pac12 where you are a perennial door-mat."

    Surfer dude, Utah has been ranked in the CFP 3 of the last 4 years. I'll take those results any day, and I'm assuming 99% of BYU fans would too (along with a 7 game streak).

  • UU Provo, UT
    Nov. 30, 2017 12:56 p.m.

    @bemorefair "BYU will always be able to get prolific QBs, TEs, and OL because it's BYU."

    Hmm, why don't they have any prolific QBs, TEs, and OL today?

  • Oh Really? HERRIMAN, UT
    Nov. 30, 2017 11:13 a.m.

    It’s interesting the new OC will be given the chance neither Detmer or Sitake had - choose their own staff. If that is so crucial for the new guy, shouldn’t the old guy be given the same chance before being kicked out the door? Or is that Sitake being chicken and putting it on someone else to fire his buddies?

    My personal guess is Detmer’s staff was backstabbing him to Sitake, to whom they had direct, personal relationship. Hard to succeed whe. Your fighting a battle within and without.

  • bemorefair Villanueva, NM
    Nov. 30, 2017 9:24 a.m.

    NavalVet has to laugh about BYU or else he'll cry thinking about the Utes losing 6 of their last 9 games.

    BYU will always be able to get prolific QBs, TEs, and OL because it's BYU. If Tanner McKee doesn't want to come to BYU and immediately play (hopefully under Ty Detmer as QB coach), someone else will come in and get the job done. I'm not worried about BYU's future. They had one down year due to an unprecedented amount of injuries. Things are going to be better next year with the influx of transfer/RM talent.

  • Herbert Gravy Salinas, CA
    Nov. 30, 2017 9:15 a.m.

    @hobo

    Some of us who post here exhibit much more "silliness" than the BYU athletic department ever has.

    😁🤗

  • 2BCSWINS West of I15, UT
    Nov. 30, 2017 6:59 a.m.

    @Surf is up........."Your team has only had two amazing seasons.... ever. Individual honors and awards are virtually non existent in the NCAA record books. Vacant!"

    2 Amazing seasons is better than 0 so not sure what your point is? Yes I'm sure you'll try to say that season going on 40 years ago was amazing right? Actually it wasn't the mighty cougies didn't beat a single ranked team that season not 1

  • truenorth3 Draper, UT
    Nov. 30, 2017 6:43 a.m.

    The things that made BYU football unique for him or any other recruit for that matter are no longer being promoted by Sitake and his 'buddy-buddies' throughout his staff. BYU football is now no different than any other program where it's just about football. No wonder recruiting targets will look to go elsewhere. Who can blame them. There are far better opportunities (P5, resources, visibility, conference affiliation, etc) where it's about football only. The consequences of Sitake's culture of entitlement and favoritism will continue the downward spiral of a once proud program. When it's the head coach who holds the belief it doesn't matter who is brought in to help. #culturematters

  • EightOhOne St. George, UT
    Nov. 29, 2017 10:30 p.m.

    @ Woodworker - Highland, UT

    And if he chooses somewhere besides byu, will he get the Jabari Parker treatment?? I can't decide which brought out nastier reactions from so called cougar fans, Jabari choosing Duke over byu, or choosing not to serve a mission

  • blue & white Boise, ID
    Nov. 29, 2017 10:22 p.m.

    We love to have another Tanner at the Y! Go cougs

  • Surf is Up Miami, FL
    Nov. 29, 2017 10:05 p.m.

    @Navel Vet, To borrow a quote Kevin Neelon in Happy Gillmore: College football is "..circular. Feel the flow. Its circular. Its like a carousel. You pay the quarter. You get on the horse. It goes up and down, and around.. circular. With the music and the flow. All good things."

    And that was about as relevant as your snipe at BYU was.

    For all your blather about how far BYU has fallen-- they may be "has been" right now, but at least they've "been". They've been to the top. They've seen the view from up there in most seasons when the utes would have given anything even a winning season.

    Your team has only had two amazing seasons.... ever. Individual honors and awards are virtually non existent in the NCAA record books. Vacant!

    And the most U can really brag about is 7 in a row against the supposed irrelevant program (yet here you are) as well as being in the pac12 where you are a perennial door-mat.

    TDS will be back. Mark it down.

  • london_josh lincoln, CA
    Nov. 29, 2017 9:06 p.m.

    BYU didn't ruin Tanner Mangum, Tanner got caught in his own mind, it wasn't BYU beyond a porous OL yet Tanner isn't reading and releasing fast enough.

    Did BYU ruin Jake Heaps? Some would say yes, and he didn't do well at BYU so he transferred to Kansas, where he was a bust, then Miami, and he was a bust, then the Jets, and at least he got a uniform. Was that BYU's fault all along?

    Sometimes a high rated HS QB doesn't translate into CFB, and sometimes a great CFB QB doesn't do well in the NFL - for example look at Ty Detmer and Steve Young, one was far better at BYU than the other, and the other was far better in the NFL.

    Tanner Magum is getting his fair shot at BYU - his performance is up to him.

  • There You Go Again St George, UT
    Nov. 29, 2017 7:16 p.m.

    Tanner Cal can see what happened to Tanner Idaho.

    Both top ranked QB's coming out of HS.

    Tanner Idaho chose BYU.

    He has made limited progress.

    His prospects for the next level are almost non existant.

    Tanner Cal could pick BYU.

    When Stanford as well as Washington are after your services and are willing to deal with the Mission issue...it would take something compelling to have Tanner Cal choose BYU...

    It could happen...It has happened.

    Even if he picks another school, he could end up at BYU after he completes his mission.

    What ever his decision...best wishes to Tanner Cal as he moves forward with his life.

  • Back Talk Federal Way, WA
    Nov. 29, 2017 6:23 p.m.

    Washington has already signed 3-4 very highly rated QB. I dont see him going there.

    I dont know what Stanford has done but that certainly would be the preferred choice.

    Seriously, BYU is not in a very good place for the short or long term.

    As for Utah fans being happy about this decline, they should remember that despite having all of the advantages (money, schedule, etc) they are regularly in the lower end of Pac 12 South results. Still better than BYU but that is what happens when the system keeps you on the outside.

  • Spokane Ute Spokane, WA
    Nov. 29, 2017 5:56 p.m.

    I admire the kid for his stance. Too many times a kid will change his mind due to a coaching change. They way I look at it you commit to the school; not the coach. Coaches come and go. Unfortunately I don't think most kids share in my position in this day and age.

  • Woodworker Highland, UT
    Nov. 29, 2017 3:36 p.m.

    Tanner is an incredible person, even without his great skills in football. Why would he consider BYU still? Probably for the same reasons most of us did. We wanted a place to learn and grow in a Christ-centered atmosphere.
    Whether Tanner commits to BYU or not, he'll thoughtfully and prayerfully make his decision. Isn't that what we would want all our children to do?
    Some of you seem to stake your emotional happiness on the success of a sports team. If you do, you'll never be satisfied, and you'll always be complaining, frustrated, angry, and proud. Move on with your lives and be happy no matter what happens on the football field or BB court. Thank you.

  • dpal Provo, UT
    Nov. 29, 2017 3:23 p.m.

    Naval Vet
    If BYU is so insignificant, why do you even bother to comment?

    No BYU fan is happy with the way things went this season. But maybe BYU fans have expectations that are too high. BYU can never compete in the recruiting arena and therefore cannot expect to compete at the highest levels. But if you like to root for the underdog, it's fun being a Cougar fan.

  • HoboA1 Saratoga Springs, UT
    Nov. 29, 2017 2:59 p.m.

    The BYU athletic department continues to fumble and bumble. Looking silly the entire time.

  • oaklandaforlife Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 29, 2017 2:41 p.m.

    @Sanefan,

    A Duo of Jim McMahon and Steve Sarkisian as the co-OC's would be totally awesome.

  • cougarnw Seattle, WA
    Nov. 29, 2017 2:28 p.m.

    Things will be different at BYU in two years when he returns from his mission. Either Sitake will have righted the ship or someone else will be coach. Regardless of where McKee ends up, lots of respect and admiration for this talented kid who has shown he lives by principle and is planning to serve a mission despite the national attention he is receiving. Hoping BYU can land him.

  • london_josh lincoln, CA
    Nov. 29, 2017 2:15 p.m.

    "Why anyone would consider BYU is beyond me!"

    Students accepted to both schools choose BYU 88% of the time.

    So really, it's beyond you?

  • Mick , 00
    Nov. 29, 2017 2:15 p.m.

    Naval vet

    Per usual your comments are classy. And are some that I expect to hear from a Ute fan.

  • ConradGurch Salt Lake City, Utah
    Nov. 29, 2017 1:50 p.m.

    Why anyone would consider BYU is beyond me!

  • t702 Las Vegas, NV
    Nov. 29, 2017 1:50 p.m.

    @ PMSmith "All of this is code for " I'm not coming to play for your school"

    If anyone pays attention to history, all of the "elite" high school QBs that went to BYU turned out to be failures - why would another "elite" go to BYU? Those QBs that did well at BYU were relatively unknown in high school so they had to fight for every chance to prove themselves - that is how one succeeds in life

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    Nov. 29, 2017 1:47 p.m.

    I have to laugh at how the cougars' program had regressed from "Kings of the WAC"...

    ...to Utah's little brother...

    ...to an indy-irrelevant, WAC-wannabe that no "power" (nor "midmajor power") conference wants...

    ...to a 4-9 program who can't beat any team with more than 3 wins...

    ...to a dumpster fire forced to write full page stories about recruits that don't even want to play there.

    Hahahaha! I can't wait to see what happens next!

  • steve24/7 Sandy, UT
    Nov. 29, 2017 1:10 p.m.

    “BYU isn’t off the list,” he said. “No one is.”

    So...you're tellin' me there's a chance.......YEAHHHH!!!

  • Just the FAX Olympus Cove, Utah
    Nov. 29, 2017 1:07 p.m.

    Sitake just needs to hire an outstanding OC who understands the value of retaining Detmer as QB coach, and all will be right with the world.

    btw, the new OC doesn't have to be LDS.

    BYU has had numerous non-LDS assistant football coaches over the years.

  • itswhatithink West Jordan, UT
    Nov. 29, 2017 1:06 p.m.

    interested in and committed and attending are three different things.

  • PMSmith SANDY, UT
    Nov. 29, 2017 12:54 p.m.

    All of this is code for " I'm not coming to play for your school"

  • Juice Box Eureka, UT
    Nov. 29, 2017 12:46 p.m.

    I truly wonder how much BYU's image is perceived in the minds of young high school QB's. I'm talking based solely on QB development, not independence, program strength, or anything like that. In my mind, if Taysom Hill was the only successful QB at BYU for the past... what, decade? Why would a 4 or 5 star QB consider it? The QB situation seems to be mishandled at BYU.

    I'm trying to be totally objective here, though. Not bashing BYU in the slightest. Because if I were a top stud QB, I wouldn't consider Utah at all. And out of Tanner McKee's offers, I'd pick Washington, Texas A&M, or Stanford. I don't think you could go wrong with any of those.

  • patriot Cedar Hills, UT
    Nov. 29, 2017 12:42 p.m.

    the only reason for a recruit to go to BYU anymore is for the LDS campus culture

  • Musketman Stansbury Park, UT
    Nov. 29, 2017 12:38 p.m.

    If you lose Detmer, you lose Texas. That is a huge recruiting ground, that will drop off with out Detmer.

  • Sanefan Wellsville, UT
    Nov. 29, 2017 12:33 p.m.

    or Jim McMahon, Gifford Nielsen, Mark Wilson, Steve Sarkisian, Steve Young, Robbie Bosco, Ty Detmer, Max Hall.

  • Carson Provo, UT
    Nov. 29, 2017 12:29 p.m.

    I here that they are looking at Max Hall to replace Detmer.

  • Uncle Rico Provo, UT
    Nov. 29, 2017 11:36 a.m.

    Will he be the next Jake Heaps, Tanner Mangum or Ben Olson?