Forged in Waco’s fires: Religion scholars, FBI consider their 25-year relationship

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  • coltakashi Richland, WA
    Dec. 3, 2017 12:49 a.m.

    Tear gas grenades generate smoke by burning. They start fires. The Federal agents fired these fire starters into a building full of children with no fire fighting equipment. They used armored vehicles to crash holes into the walls. They surrounded the buildings with men with automatic weapons. Would you trust them not to shoot you if you tried to walk out?

    The Federal agents in the Waco attack acted like godless barbarians rather than public servants. The FBI need training in Judeo-Christian values.

  • NoNamesAccepted St. George, UT
    Nov. 29, 2017 9:28 a.m.

    @Flying Finn:

    There are those of us who remember and are horrified by both Ruby Ridge and Waco. That both started as non-violent, minor violations of gun laws is what gives many of us pause when gun haters claim "nobody wants to take your guns, we just want 'reasonable' regulations."

    That both the Weavers and the Davidians were targeted for unpopular, strange, or minority religious or social beliefs is also very troubling in modern USA.

    @Thid Barker:

    Minor correction, Randy Weaver did not purchase a sawed off shotgun, but was entrapped into making one by federal agents who offered him an excessive amount of money to saw a barrel off about one inch shorter than federal law permits. The agents knew of Weaver's destitute financial situation and entrapped him.

    Randy Weaver was eventually acquitted of all charges except a peaceful, failure to appear in court. He and his family received $3.1 million dollars from the federal government (ie US Taxpayers) for the wrongful killing of his wife and son.

    Ruby Ridge and Waco are stains on the reputation of the US federal government and its law enforcement agencies.

    Conservatives and liberal civil libertarians must always remember.

  • KDave Moab, UT
    Nov. 29, 2017 9:04 a.m.

    Half of the victims were children. The same children the Govt. was supposedly trying to rescue.

  • Thid Barker Victor, ID
    Nov. 29, 2017 6:59 a.m.

    Not only Waco but then there was Ruby Ridge where Vicki Weaver was shot in the head while holding her baby in her arms by an FBI agent! The FBI also murdered her young son. What happened to the FBI? NOTHING! Janet Reno, Attorney General under Bill Clinton ordered it and nothing happened to her either! All because Randy Weaver had purchased a sawed off shotgun! Do you trust your government?

  • Flying Finn Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 29, 2017 6:52 a.m.

    NoNamesAccepted - St. George, UT

    You got it exactly right!! They could have arrested David Koresh anytime they wanted when he was in town.

    Nobody remembers Lon Horiuchi, the FBI sniper who shot and killed an unarmed pregnant mother at Ruby Ridge in 1992.

    Same story ..... just different time and place.

  • NoNamesAccepted St. George, UT
    Nov. 28, 2017 6:52 p.m.

    The Waco standoff did not begin when Branch Davidians barricaded themselves inside their home. It became when 50+ BATFE agents, dressed in full combat gear stormed the home in a needlessly, high visibility move to prove the agencies worth shortly before budget hearings.

    The Davidians had been peaceful prior to that time. The local sheriff had visited often, even enforcing custody orders to remove children from single mothers living there and returning them to their fathers. There had never been any violence or resistance to law enforcement.

    The ostensible reason for the BATFE to get their search warrant was claims that David Koresh had unregistered machine guns. This is a "failure to pay taxes" crime. Claims of child sex abuse were never substantiated and were included to turn the public against the group emotionally.

    The real lesson from Waco should be: "Don't mount a military style raid when all evidence suggests the local sheriff can get what is needed by knocking on the door and politely asking for it." Doubly so when lots of innocent people are involved.

    Koresh regularly visited town alone and should have been arrested there rather using a military raid.