The Heisman Trophy winner will remain under contract
For what it's worth... I was totally cool with this.
@spokaneute"...After 7 straight years; that so called blind hog
has 20-20 vision . . . a fact of life."*********Did you
feel that way when BYU won 18 out of 20 games in the late 70's to the mid
90's?It's simply the way things turn in Rivalries... The
fact that a so called top 25 team only beats a hapless bottom 10 team by 6
points tells you all you really need to know about Crimson Chest pounding... But
take advantage of it while you have it... I don't suspect it will last much
This is just one of a series of puzzling decisions in the football program since
Coach Lavelle Edwards retired. One of their best decisions was to hire Bronco
Mendenhall when their first choice turned them down. A really bad one was to
not keep him happy, and let him slip away to a bottom-feeder on the eastern
seaboard. And his new team is bowl eligible and has played ranked teams tough
(and beat Boise State on the blue turf).Dump the MWC and create
bitter feelings in both the MWC and WAC universities. Create an unbalanced
football schedule that is unfair to BYU coaches, players and fans. And some
more recent stuff: Fire an excellent receivers coach who is quickly snapped up
by your biggest rival. Turn down prospects who want to play for BYU, such as
Matt Gay who now is the best kicker in the country. He then went to your big
rival as a walk-on. Another gift for the rival is an outstanding freshman
receiver who can catch passes and would have been a great help for BYU's
struggling offense. And the list goes on and on. Ugly trash talking by
players, the Emery situation, etc. Who is involved in creating this pattern
creating bad PR? Ty Detmer is just the latest.
I have had to let Tys firing set for a few days prior to commenting. I would say
that Kalani Sitake is classless. I realize that he needed someone to blame and
chose Detmer. His DC is just as much to blame, but he goes scot free. The
seasons record is far less important than the teams image projected to the
outside world. It is going to be a long time before The Coug's AD,
administration, and Head Football coach overcome the classlessness portrayed by
this firing. Just when I thought you couldn't go any lower.
@cg let me guess you are a die hard cougar fan. Do you even know what cover 2
@Poyman Every once in awhile even blind hogs find acorns... a fact
of life.--------After 7 straight years; that so called blind hog has
20-20 vision . . . a fact of life.
@spokaneute"Actually because the whole world outside of the
usual cast of characters on these boards says so. Let's compare the entire
season. How about the good old objective Sagarin Rankings..."**********************Interesting su, last year when BYU was ranked
ahead of utah in the Sagarin end of season rankings you and the usual ute fan
suspects quickly rejected the poll as meaningless, inaccurate and basically
worthless... What a difference a year and about 37 injuries, a 4th and 5th
string QB, losing all but 2 of your RBs, and having a whole new group of WRs can
make... Lol.Convenient analysis don't you think? Are you
looking for an admission that utah was better than BYU in FB in 2017? I think
that most BYU fans would stipulate that... Every once in awhile even blind hogs
find acorns... a fact of life.
One last comment... I believe that Tuiaki is getting a free pass here and he is
not deserving. While the "D" did outplay the "O" it was sadly
lacking IMHO... Our pass rush was virtually ineffective except for Takitaki...
We finished 116th out of 130 FBS teams. This helped contribute to a less than
acceptable Pass Defense of 233 yards per game for a ranking of 74th among 130
FBS teams... I also think we played way too much zone... These numbers are not
good if we intend to be considered a competitive P5 Program. I'm hoping
that the fact that Sitaki is allowing Tuiaki to avoid the axe this year is not
because they happen to be buddies from utah and OSU.I am going to
restate what I have said earlier... BYU needs to sign the majority of the
quality LDS athletes that are out there each year. The fact that Holmoe has not
been able to get us into a P5 Conference is a prime reason for us failing in
this regard. If we want to seriously make a move towards acceptance into an
existing P5 Conference we are going to have to get someone with greater more
clout and more respect into the AD roll... If we don't then we will make no
progress towards acheiving this goal... plain and simple.
@kh holiday, ut"You don't really think that byu and Utah
are pretty close to the same talent level..."***********I
absolutely think that... BTW, so do the pollsters that y'all like to
quote... uteology pointed out that utah was ranked 38th among FBS schools this
year... Which, BTW, was where they were ranked at the conclusion of last season.
When it was pointed out that despite a 1 point loss at RES last year those same
pollsters ranked BYU 37th.... Last year , of course, uteology was telling us
that it was a stupid poll with no credibility... This year, now that BYU is
ranked over 100, that poll is as accurate can be... Right, lol.Another reason I believe that they are comparable is because every game in the
last several years has really come down to the last possession or one
controversial call... Last year it was 1 point on a missed 2 point conversion
and this year it was 6 points with BYU having the ball with about 2 or 3 minutes
to go... Hard to argue otherwise with head to head results.BTW, I
believe utah offered every single starter on BYU's roster (along with many
other schools)... So your comment about no other program wanting BYU players is
It's kind of a bummer that things couldn't work out with Ty. This in
no way reflects on what he did for the program as a player or does this reflect
in any way on who he is as a person. Sad that I have to even say that but some
fans have trouble separating sports from real life. Best wishes to Ty, and I
hope BYU can find the right man for the job.
BYU fans, please do not read as this contains facts that might hurt your
feelings.#1) it’s a shame how your unrealistic expectations
have run off great coaches(doman, bronco, Detmer and soon Sitaki)#2)
your argument that the games were close because you lost to the Utes by (6, 1,
7,4 3, 44, and 1)points the past 7 years is hilarious. A) It’s been
almost a decade since you beat your rivalB) BYU has only led 3 out of 300
minutes of last 6 games. (WOW)C) though you claim close games Utah has
lead (54-10, 24-7, 20-6, 35-14, 20-13,19-6) in the 4th quarter the last 6 games.
D) just because you score meaningless TD’s with 2 minutes left
against a prevent d it doesn’t mean the game was close. E)
regardless of losing by 1 or 44 you still lost. Only stat that matters is W or
L.F) Utah 9-4, 10-3, 9-4 and 6-6 records last 4 years has made Utes one
the p12 top tier teams. E) Utah has 2nd most NFL players from
p12(usc#1)and 3rd most drafted last year (8) in the country. BYU only had
1-2drafted last year and they are 4-9 with one of the worst schedules in all of
I love HC Sataki. I love OC Detmer. I feel like i'm in grade school and
my parents are getting a divorce. I feel like the judge is making me choose
whom I want to go with. I don't want to choose. I want my parents to stay
together.Perhaps we put too much pressure on our coaches to react
sooner than they should.Perhaps when the pressure dies down, we can have
our family back together again with two years of experience under their belt and
the vision to see that which needs to be changed.Perhaps the two
years on the job training was enough now to right the ship, while perhaps,
putting someone at the helm without any sailing experience was not the best
decision.Perhaps now, we have found the rudder that was missing and
sending us off course.Maybe bringing in consultants woud be better than
firing someone that now has all of that experience behind them.
The fatal flaw in Ty's offense--you need an O-line that can pass block. If
they do not have much experience playing together as a unit, there are a lot of
missed assignments, failure to handle blitz's etc. But no matter what
offense you want to run, if the O-Line cannot block, the RB's get banged up
and the QB's get injured, and coaches get fired. So BYU staff can either
fix the O-Line problem or seek other employment.
@Spokane Ute . Check-mate huh?I'm be sure to tell my bookie
to try and contact you for advice. He'll probably just chuckle at the
notion that the utes are somehow out of BYU's league. Won't even take
a vig for a bet on utah.The utes are so great and beyond BYU and yet
they can't seem to really destroy TDS. And they surely
don't destroy anyone in the worst P5 conference.King me... er
Surf is Up - Miami, FLNov. 28, 2017 1:14 p.m.@KH ".....
Please don't make the comparison again between utah and BYU. There is no
comparison."Because you say so, and wish it so, its true right
KH? -------Actually because the whole world outside of the usual
cast of characters on these boards says so. Let's compare the entire
season. How about the good old objective Sagarin Rankings:33)
Utah108) Kennesaw State111) BYU115) U MassMassey
Rankings:49) Utah103) BYU104) U MassMaybe Couggy
fans should try comparing them selves to U Mass as opposed to Utah. Nuff said; Check Mate!
KH"Could it be that the PAC12 is one of the more balanced
conferences in the nation, and therefore much more vulnerable to its top teams
losing and not making the CFP?"Or, it could be that the PAC 12
is full of inconsistent, sometimes good, sometimes bad, teams, with no
outstanding teams.USC was destroyed by Notre Dame 49-14, a team that
was destroyed by Miami 41-8.Stanford was destroyed by USC 42-24, and
lost to San Diego St.Those are the PAC 12's division winners,
the best teams in the conference.
"I would be in favor of an 8 team playoff. 5 conference champs with 3 at
large bids. That way we can determine if a 2 or 3 loss PAC 12 team could compete
with a 1 loss SEC team."This is the problem.Ute fans
used to beat the drum really loud about how the non-P5 teams should be able to
compete against the P5 - and once in the P5 the idea of a 8 team playoff is now
looking at 2 or 3 loss PAC teams?Rediculous.Here's
what the playoffs should be.There are 5 Power conferences, and 5 G
conferences with a few Indy teams.Play the G-5 champions against the
best indy team, those 6 teams in 3 games lead to 3 G champions.Those
3 teams join the 5 Power champions to quarter finals playoff series, then on to
the semi finals and finals.Utah fans are forgetting their argument
back in 2008, I agree with that argument, Utah trounced Alabama and Alabama
narrowly lost to Florida who was the NC that year - now anything can happen in
any game, but I would have loved to see Utah play for the NC; but in the current
format that will never happen.The ego of the elitists is now picked
up on and the funny thing is, sorry Utes but you guys are far from P5 elite
Surf is Up@Truth Machine . The utes have played in the Rose Bowl.As have the Cougars.BYU has also played in the Fiesta and
Cotton Bowls.But, as much fun as it is to throw around names of
bowls played in,there's one bowl that far exceeds all of the
aforementioned bowls for BYU,the National Championship game in the
1984 Holiday Bowl.Nothing exceeds playing in a bowl in which one of
the teams is the #1-ranked team in both major polls and the consensus national
championship hinges on the outcome of the bowl.
"Yes, we already know that EVERY call that goes against Utah is a bogus
call,just listen to the howls at RES every time a call is made
against Utah,and EVERY call that goes against BYU is completely
legitimate."Deepblue, why are you putting words in my mouth. I
never said that, nor do I agree with that. Utah was called for a bunch of
penalties this year. As with every team, a few of them were bogus, but the high
majority were correct calls. Please go watch again the two plays I referenced.
If you don't agree with me...well, you don't understand football. "I'll point out to you that the pac12 is not going to have
anyone contending for the CFP this season. Weak conference in 2017."Could it be that the PAC12 is one of the more balanced conferences in
the nation, and therefore much more vulnerable to its top teams losing and not
making the CFP? Look at the SEC. Very top heavy, but once you get past the top
3 or 4 teams, they are terrible. I would be in favor of an 8 team
playoff. 5 conference champs with 3 at large bids. That way we can determine
if a 2 or 3 loss PAC 12 team could compete with a 1 loss SEC team.
JT4It's not the competitive nature of the PAC 12,but the arrogance of Utah fans,that has engendered little sympathy
for Utah's competitive plight amongst BYU fans.BYU has far more
disadvantages that the Cougars are forced to deal with,which are
mocked and scorned, rather than appreciated, by Utah fans.
@Truth Machine . The utes have played in the Rose Bowl.But only
when they play UCLA. And that maybe their diehard BYU haters/fans
should start every argument with that misleading factoid.
Truth Machine,You might want to re-read what I wrote, and the way I wrote
it. I'm guessing a second go will give you a different appreciation for the
KHYes, we already know that EVERY call that goes against Utah is a
bogus call,just listen to the howls at RES every time a call is made
against Utah,and EVERY call that goes against BYU is completely
@KH "..... Please don't make the comparison again between utah and
BYU. There is no comparison."Because you say so, and wish it so,
its true right KH? As someone who makes some pretty good coin in
betting on college football it helps to actual results and, sometimes,
statistics to make a decision on how to bet.You seem to labor under
the delusion that every team in the pac12 are P5 quality, and therefore respect
is due to the utes for beating them (something quite rare on its own this
season). I'll point out to you that the pac12 is not going to have anyone
contending for the CFP this season. Weak conference in 2017.I stand
by my previous comments. They are based more in reality than you seem to be.
New to Utah"Holmoe’s horrible decision to go independent
is the root cause of all the chaos in Cougarland."If you
actually knew anything about the history of BYU athletics, you'd know that
the decision to go Independent was years in the making, was definitely not
solely Holmoe's decision, and was supported by the vast majority of BYU
fans, especially fans living outside Utah, who were tired of the broken promises
of the MWC to give BYU more control of their own television rights so that they
would be able to watch BYU games where they lived.
JT4"Why do BYU fans give Utah fans such a hard time about where
Utah ends up in the Pac-12 rankings?"Because in 2004 and
2008,Utah fans bragged incessantly about how the Utes could compete
with anybody, and after Utah's invitation to the PAC 12,Utah fans bragged incessantly about how the Utes would be playing in the
Rose Bowl soon after joining the conference.With the added
recruiting, exposure and monetary advantages Utah now enjoys as a member of the
PAC 12, Utah was supposed to be as good as any team in the PAC 12,yet, here they are, 7 years after joining the conference, still going
toe-to-toe with Colorado for supremacy of the PAC 12 South basement.Despite Utah's occasional upsets of the big boys of the PAC 12,
Utah's biggest achievement since joining the PAC 12,is beating
BYU,7 in a row.That's not hype; that's an
actual, verifiable fact, based on Utah fans constantly citing their head-to-head
record versus BYU.
So Ty is the problem. He tried to have Tanner play something he isn’t. A
pro style QB. You can coach all you want but you can’t turn an Apple into
Why do BYU fans give Utah fans such a hard time about where Utah ends up in the
Pac-12 rankings? What in the world should we have expected? Here are the
schools in the Pac-12:UWWSUOregonOSUCalStanfordUSCUCLAUofAASUUtahColoradoWhich of those schools *aren't* more attractive--all other things
equal--to recruits than Utah? Probably only WSU and OSU. Of course, all things
aren't equal with Mike Leach at WSU now, but we'll say they are for
argument's sake. That means Utah is the 10th-most attractive school out of
12. Since the beginning of the Pac-12, Utah's conference records have been
T6th-8th, 9th, 10th, T6th-7th, T3rd-5th, 6th, and now 9th. One factor for
Utah's relative success is Whit's reputation for quality D-lineman, so
he gets better such recruits than he would otherwise. Another factor is
consistency with Whit being happy to stay at Utah, and Admin happy for that
because they know Utah would just be a stepping stone to most other coaches,
where many of the other schools not named USC or Stanford fire coaches for
similar finishes because they have higher expectations. All considered, Utah is
performing about how they should, so let's give their fans a pass.
@KH No sir, just the facts. If either BYU or Utah had not had those
offensive pass interference calls the results would have been different.
That's just pointing out for those who live in the land of point comparison
that u didn't dominate the Y either this year or the year before. The
54-10 year, yes, of course. Those years where the outcome was decided by a
blocked field goal or a missed 2-pt try, not so much and those are the MAJORITY
of the 7 win streak. Facts, sir. Stirring the pot is saying one
year that a W is more important when the game was close, then the next year it
was the point spread not the victory; always choosing whatever criteria feels
the best.....you know that and have mastered it.
@uteology----Just for the record, aside from your spin, I have zero envy about
joining a P-5 conference that has no team in the Top 10; has comments from fans
of a local team that finished tied for 8th out of 12 teams and 5th out of 6
teams in their division; and achieved bowl eligibility the last game of the
season be defeating at home a team that had a losing season. Why would I envy
that? It is you who are "frantic" to justify how great your team is and
your head coach. When you defeated BYU by 1 point in SLC only the W mattered,
not the score; look at how many ute partisans are now saying how close they came
to beating USC, Washington and Stanford. They're the ones that are filled
with envy. Other teams with a real program fire their coach for such results,
11 being shown the door this year, including the one that beat you and finished
2nd in your division. Envy the PAC....what a laugh!!
"BYU would have won the game if not for a bogus offensive pass interference
call."I know you don't really believe that, as I'm
sure you watched the game and saw that the PI against byu was a good call (even
Sitake didn't dispute that when asked about it and said his player felt bad
about it), and the PI call against Utah was completely bogus, as the Utah player
who was called for a pick did not touch anyone. You knew that
already, you're just trying to stir the pot.
Holmoe’s horrible decision to go independent is the root cause of all the
chaos in Cougarland. The Big 12, the PAC 12 never invited and the talent
recruited couldn’t compete with SEC, Big 10 etc. Insanity is doing the
same thing and expecting a different result BYU would be wise to rejoin MWC and
be able to compete for a championship. Ty had little to do with loses.
Utahute72"In good coaching staffs you see growth by the
assistants, not sure we've see that at BYU."Not sure why
Utah fans are on here lecturing BYU about how to hire an OC,considering Whittingham is the all-time record holder in hiring and firing
OC's.btw, didn't the Utes hire and fire, after ONE season,
the starting QB of Utah's most successful team ever?
KH"While I agree that the final score is the most important
stat, Utah dominated in every statistical category, and should have had one more
touchdown on the board if not for a bogus offensive pass interference
call."BYU would have won the game if not for a bogus offensive
pass interference call.
A lot of my fellow Y fans are up in arms about this decision, but it needed to
happen. Most of you know the stats. The Y has a 100+ ranking in nearly every
offensive category, which puts them at the very bottom on NCAA. It's ok to have a down year when you're rebuilding a team, but the Y
has yet to show us any potential of being explosive down the road. If Ty's
offense was merely mediocre, we might say that he gets the benefit of the doubt
and maybe this offense will take off when he gets his recruits in the program.
When its at the very bottom you have to think that maybe he doesn't have
the experience to run an offense at this level. Just my two cents.
BYU didn't go quite high enough when they went to fix the problem.This is the fruits of hiring your friends, SitakeOffseason is
along time Holmoe, go ahead and widen this decision and hunt a new head coach so
at least hope survives.
Firing Detmer is rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic. The problems with
BYU's football program are far deeper than one assistant coach.
Why are we discussing Utah in an article about BYU firing an offensive
coordinator? The question should be why did he fail? Talent level, experience,
ability or a combination. I think it would have been far smarter to bring him
in as a QB coach and hire a more experienced coordinator, after all he'd
never done any coaching at a college level. I'd also be concerned about
Kalani's ability to develop the members of his staff. In good coaching
staffs you see growth by the assistants, not sure we've see that at BYU.
"On the field, head-to-head, it's quite obvious that Utah is only
slightly better than BYU"7 in a row, and only slightly better?
Keep trying to convince yourself. Look at the stats of the Utah-byu
game. While I agree that the final score is the most important stat, Utah
dominated in every statistical category, and should have had one more touchdown
on the board if not for a bogus offensive pass interference call.
"BTW, there isn't a starter and very few (if any) recruits at BYU that
ute coaches wouldn't trip over themselves to have them play for
utah..."Poyman, you must have missed byu's season, because
there is not a single team/coach in the nation that would be tripping over
themselves to have byu's players/recruits.
KHEither Utah's talent is playing way below their potential,or BYU's talent is much better than you're willing to
admit,because the Utes have only beaten BYU ONCE, by more than a
touchdown, since 2010.On the field, head-to-head, it's quite
obvious that Utah is only slightly better than BYU,even versus one
of the worst BYU teams in the last 60 years.
Poyman, You don't really think that byu and Utah are pretty
close to the same talent level. Misery loves company. Because byu is so
miserable this year, byu fans have to try to bring Utah down to their level.
Utah lost on the road to ranked USC and ranked Washington by a total
of 4 points and lost to ranked Stanford at home by 3 points. Utah had a
disappointing season, for sure. But they were extremely competitive in all but
2 of their games this year. How do you think byu would have stacked
up against USC, Washington, and Stanford when they lost to UMass, East Carolina,
and Fresno State? 6-6 with a PAC 12 schedule is far better than 4-9
with an 8-gimme game schedule. And you know it.
Uteology"Rankings are facts."Nope, rankings are
subjective scores.Game scores are facts.On the field,
head-to-head, versus BYU, Utah wasn't any better than UMass.BYU
10, UMass 16BYU 13, Utah 19
@toosmartforyou"except Utah who loves being in the PAC more than
winning games."Guilty! I, and I think I can speak
for 99% of all Utah fans, love being in the PAC more than winning games against
opponents such as UMass, UNLV, Toledo, Cincinnati, UConn, Wagner, Nevada, Middle
Tennessee, Savannah State, Idaho State, Idaho, New Mexico State, etc. Yes, Utah does play pre-conference games against similar opponents (and since
2011 we have lost only one pre-conference game. That one being an overtime loss
to Utah State.) but I love every game in our PAC-12 schedule more than any win
against these type of teams. (Well, the pre-conference win against Michigan
rivaled the PAC-12 games!) Every time I see Utah is playing USC, UCLA,
Arizona, Arizona State, Colorado, Cal., Stanford, Oregon, Oregon State,
Washington, and Washington I absolutely love it! Win or lose. Do I feel the
same when we defeat teams such as those mentioned above? I guess some fans are
happier to win those type of games rather than playing in the PAC-12 or any
other P-5 conference. To each his own! Enjoy "happy valley"!
Uteology"Whittingham is the ONLY one that has a job with 3 top
25 teams in 4 years."Whittingham is lucky to have a job with
four 5th place finishes and zero division titles in 7 years.
@uteology"...why do you have higher standards for Utah in the
South?"*****************I don't know where you get your
numbers but they are way off... The fact is that BYU has had more wins and a
much higher percentage of wins against pac10+2 common opponents than utah has
had up until last year... and that's after utah had been in the league with
9 games a year on their schedule for 5 years. The truth is (even with this bad
year BYU still has a much better record percentage-wise against common pac
opponents than utah. It took utah between 30 to 50 more games against common pac
opponents to finally have more wins against common pac opponents than BYU.
@uteology...So the difference between #38 and #111 is 6 points? Give
us a break... That says more about the poll than it does about the quality of
teams.BYU was horrible... 4-7... and utah was chest pounding good at
6-6, 5th place among 6 teams (again) in the weakest division in P5 football, a
team that won only one game against Bowl Eligible Teams (meaning all but one of
their wins were against teams that finished with sub .500 records)? Lol. A
truly entertaining comment.
I agree w ArizonaGolfer and wahului - Stockton, CA. Ty Detmer is
not the problem. You cannot coach a slow decision maker like Tanner into a
Pro-Style QB. What we lacked this year was a quality QB. I think that both
Hoge and Critchlow have future potential (though they must prove it) but Tanner
always has fear and confusion on his face when he steps up to the line. Lavell
Edwards and Joe Paterno could not have coached a win with this QB at the helm.
(Sorry Tanner, you are a nice guy, but this is what it is.)I wish Ty
would stay and still coach the QBs but recruit some good options as QB. Amazing how fast fans and critics are to discard a good coach who just
had inferior material to work with.Also amazing how quickly people
forget all the good reasons BYU went independent... and they were many. Indeed
it was the right decision at the time. Don't criticize Tolmoe for that.
And he tried hard to get us into a good conference when the time was right. It
just didn't happen is all.
I am really sad that Ty Detmer has been relieved of his OC position. Ty by no
means is the reason BYU had such a poor season and I hope he will stay on as the
Quarterback coach. He brings a wealth of knowledge and can prepare BYU's
future Quarterbacks for both College and NFL play like no other. It would also
be good if BYU could stop playing musical chairs with Quarterbacks. Neither Ty,
nor anyone else can build a program that is so banged up week to week that it
can't at least field the same Quarterback. The Offensive Line needs to
become a force. It needs to be feared and respected. It needs to commit itself
to protect the Quarterback at all costs. When BYU plaid UCLA in the Las Vegas
Bowl a few years ago a UCLA Linebacker was asked what concerned him the most
about BYU's offense. He said "Their Offensive Line. They are Big and
Nasty". Give that to Ty Detmer and BYU would be unstoppable. You can't
play five different Quarterbacks in thirteen games and win anything. It defies
the law of gravity.
It says it in the story......It’s a very effective offense if you have the
right guys, namely the quarterback, who really makes it go.”BYU does not currently have this quarterback IMO. Love the cougs, but until
they get some players get used to more of this.
What do BYUs offensive numbers mean? That 9 defensive coordinators beat Ty
Detmer's offense. We did the numbers in Jan 2016, not one FBS team had so
few years of experience in their offensive coaching staff as did BYU. Roderick
has no chance at being named as OC, he was hardly a standout coaching
Utah's weak sister offenses. How about Oregon State's OC, that's
a joke right? Did anyone see the Beavers play in 2017? Ty is a beloved
guy everyone in BYUs fan base was pulling for him, he simply was unable to do
his part. This decision may be the single most important pick since LaVell
Edwards was named to make Cougar football matter. Sitake' first round at
assembling a staff was poor.
TroyTown - Anaheim, CANov. 27, 2017 2:36 p.m.UteologyThe
elephant in the room that you're desperately trying to ignore,Whittingham is the only one of the three who hasn't lead his team to a
CCG.PAC 12 South Titles:Mora: 1Graham: 1Whitt: 0--------------Whittingham is the ONLY one that
has a job with 3 top 25 teams in 4 years. Winning 1 south title and
then 3 bad seasons gets you fired. BYU is 1-10 9% vs the same South,
why do you have higher standards for Utah in the South?
fakenews - Layton, UTNov. 27, 2017 6:41 p.m.UteologyRegardless of how desperately you try to spin it with "rankings"-------------Nope!Rankings are facts. Spin is claiming #111 team is equivalent to a #38 team, using margin of
@toosmartforyou - Kaysville, UTUtah and BYU were plenty bad this
year----both of them. And PAC12 teams are firing coaches---except Utah who loves
being in the PAC more than winning games.------------Nope!#38 Utah is bad.#111 BYU is a joke.
@ waccypad"More PAC12 envy from a frantic and emotional BYU
fan.LOL!"************You confuse "envy" with
Objective Facts" and "truth"... And, no, most of us who cheer for
BYU have no interest in being part of the weakest division in P5 football... The
politics simply don't work.
@easternco coug...Amazing... You are comparing the quality of a
player who played 3 games (against the lowest ranked and clearly weakest teams
on the schedule against games played by Mangum and Hoge who had to face top 10
and top 25 teams? You obviously didn't watch Critchlow's
performance even against those bad teams... For the season his QB rating was
less than that of Mangum's who played against much tougher competition and
he played hurt most of the time... For the year Critchlow completed 55 of 101
passes for 642 yards (54.5% for 642 yards), He had 3 TDs against 4 Ints (and
that doesn't include the one he had in Hawaii, his QBR was 109.7... Mangum
completed 147 of 257 passes for 1540 yards (57.2%), he had 9 TDs against 10 Ints
and a QBR of 110.8.You might not want to hear it, but letting Detmer
go is a huge mistake, and whether you like it or not, it's because of weak
recruiting and talent, and injuries to key positions that that BYU had a very
weak season this year... Mangum would have beaten the last 3 teams on the
schedule by huge margins and he will be the starting QB next season as he should
General wisdom says that the responsibility for the success or failure of any
institution or endeavor lies with the man at the top.
Detmer was an outstanding player... The most decorated coming out of any
University in the State... He also is a guy that understands the game as well as
anyone... Many of the problems he faced were not of his making... 4th and 5th
string QBs that had to step up because those ahead of them were injured...
Running Backs that were often hurt more than they were able to play which took a
position that we were very deep at and made us very shallow... Over-hyped and
Over-Rated Receiving corp that seemed to all be wearing mittens or catcher mitts
all year... and an Offensive Line that had tough times at times with Pass
Protection.I personally hate to see Detmer go, I think that he is a
good coach that has had little opportunity to work his way into college FB
coaching... He probably should have come on as a QB coach and AOC and had the
opportunity to warm-in to the position... But, we need scapegoats, we need heads
to fly, and the guy running the Offense was the logical place to start.Personally, I think our major problems are in recruiting and I believe Holmoe
is our main problem there... I would have been clicking my heals if he would
have been the one sent hiking.
Some of the ute fan comments on this board are ridiculous... For a team that
barely beat a terrible BYU team this year, one would think your criticizing time
would be better spent figuring out how your own team's problems and how
y'all can get out of continual 5th place in America's worst P5
Division FB Conference... Barely eligible for Bowl consideration
(thank goodness for BYU who was rated among the 10 worst teams in the FBS at the
time utah beat them by less than a TD).In fact it's actually
laughable when one further considers the continual turnover of OCs in the land
of red Pepsis. The job at utah has become thoroughfare for weaker level Mid
Major and HS coaches. More times than not the voices of ridicule from up north
demonstrate the unbelievable hypocrisy of some of their fan base.BTW, there isn't a starter and very few (if any) recruits at BYU that ute
coaches wouldn't trip over themselves to have them play for utah... In
fact, it's a good thing for utah that BYU had a bad year this year... If
they hadn't, y'all would be getting two less linemen coming your way
from Herriman that we know of.
Detmer didn't have much, if any, experience with the scheme changes that
were made in the offense during the season. He said so. He had to learn in the
heat of battle. That probably accounted for some of what appeared to be coaching
decision making mistakes and lack of execution by the players. Early on I think
quarterback play was spotty, they got limited snaps on offense against dominant
teams that made learning difficult, the team never jelled.Add in the large
number of injuries, young less experience players, continuity never had a
chance. Continuity is everything for a BYU team, they don't have enough
depth and experience to make big adjustments for personnel differences. All the
players need to be proficient with the same schemes. This never happened. I hope
they keep Detmer on and groom him for the future of the program. Loyalty will
pay dividends with coaches, like Detmer, that have big upside potential. It
would be a massive blunder if they don't. But I wouldn't blame him if
he wants to go back to his ranch.
toosmartforyou - Kaysville, UTNov. 27, 2017 9:58 p.m.@uteology--Utah
TIED for 8th meaning only three teams had worse records, including Colorado who
was under .500 when you played them, and Oregon State whose head coach quit
mid-season. Nothing to brag about in that scenario.....at all!@KH---A W is a W and an L is an L as Utes reminded us last year when BYU lost
in SLC on a failed 2-pt try. So u LOST to Washington and u lost to USC! Employ
your own teams fans logic hurts, doesn't it?Utah and BYU were
plenty bad this year----both of them. And PAC12 teams are firing
coaches---except Utah who loves being in the PAC more than winning games._____More PAC12 envy from a frantic and emotional BYU fan.LOL!
Ty's Twitter comments show a lot of class. Bless him and love him and hug
@uteology--Utah TIED for 8th meaning only three teams had worse records,
including Colorado who was under .500 when you played them, and Oregon State
whose head coach quit mid-season. Nothing to brag about in that scenario.....at
all!@KH---A W is a W and an L is an L as Utes reminded us last year
when BYU lost in SLC on a failed 2-pt try. So u LOST to Washington and u lost to
USC! Employ your own teams fans logic hurts, doesn't it?Utah
and BYU were plenty bad this year----both of them. And PAC12 teams are firing
coaches---except Utah who loves being in the PAC more than winning games.
Sad day. This is the wrong move period. I will root for Ty wherever he goes.
I also do not believe the BYU fans cheering on this move know what
it takes to affect the cultural/mind shift needed to return the football team to
the glory (and offense) of old.This season could have been predicted
based on how these total football culture shifts happen. The next season, year
three, would have resembled year one's record in this new system. Year 4
would have been the season of marked turnaround with victories over the Utes and
Utah State.Now we'll never know if it was going to play out
that way.If the next move is one towards a spread, or "go fast,
go hard" type of offense, this fan becomes a passive fan--checking on game
scores after the fact and primarily following local, west coast teams.
I would have to say, coach Detmer’s biggest mistake was to not get into
the booth, high above, where he could see in real time what defenses were doing
to our team, what receivers were running correct routes, and where he could
immmediatly adjust the plays to fit the situations. Staying on the field blinded
him to all of these things. Second mistake, sticking with a failing QB. For what
ever reason, Magnum just could not lead the rest of the team, He just
didn’t have that winner mentality, the eye of the tiger. Third, not using
the running game, and when they did, that infamous terrible up the middle for a
pile of dust! We wasted more plays, killed more drives, and lost more games on
this play alone.
I agree with the decision, and don't buy all the other excuses people
continue to tout: 1) lack of talent, 2) lack of conference, 3) too many key
players injured, etc. Magically, a freshman QB with no experience
gets two wins in three games and with an entirely injured team around him. CAN YOU SAY INJURIES! Go figure. Yes, injuries are the reason!!!!
Not. How about lack of good coaching? This team has more talent
than many of the teams that used to regularly beat up Utah in my opinion. Look
what Holmgren did with smart play calling and coaching. Play the best players
period. Play the best QB and OL - which did not happen with one of the tackles.
Sitaki learned from Wittingham. Get rid of your OC every year.
A couple of posters have said BYU's AD Holmoe chose Sitake over Ken
Niumatalolo (Navy's coach). This is not true. Coach N of Navy turned BYU
down. In fact, Coach N's decision to stay with Navy came with a raise.
See a Dec. 24, 2015 by CBSSports entitled "Report: Navy's Ken
Niumatalolo receives raise after turning down BYU." I personally
believe (1) going independent, (2) the fact other universities are willing to
work with LDS players serving 2-year LDS missions, (3) the passing scheme that
worked so well for BYU for so long is no longer "unique" so it
doesn't create the edge it used to, (4) a stringent enforcement of the
honor code has greatly decreased the number of recruits BYU coaches can even
consider recruiting, and (5) injuries have combined to create the perfect storm
which has created the situation BYU football now faces. I don't
pretend to know much about coaching football, but it seems like a
disproportionate share of the blame for the situation is being placed on his
shoulders. BYU should be careful how they treat their coaches.
They don't have a very big pool of people to choose from.
Re: Mark from Montana,It just might come to that, 30 years from now,
but not right now.
Ty did all he could with so little talent. Truth be told I doubt Ty really
wanted to continue coaching at BYU. The task is an impossible one -- take
players that are probably third string or practice squad on most decent teams
and try to make them into something they can never be. Impossible. If Ty had
the talent the Y had even 10 years ago you would have seen BYU rolling up 400 -
500 yard games week in and week out. Norm Chow won't take the job but it
doesn't matter who you get he is not going to do any better than Ty. Oh BYU
might squeak out another win or maybe two next season but they will never be
better than .500. Detmer is a class act and so is Norm Chow but nobody can make
a silk purse out of a sows ear. By the way let's stop blaming people
including players and just accept the fact that the NCAA is no longer a place
for BYU in any sport. The anti-Christian, PC climate of the NCAA and colleges
all across America are no place for an institution with Christian values. You
see colleges all across America with no free speech anymore and that is by
design. Sadly by design. Let's pray religious liberty is not the next
casulty in college academia.
A most unfortunate turn of events. Hope ty stays as qb coach
With hindsight, the reason I would question Detmer's coaching skills is the
naÏve way he came in and said he was going to build a "pro-style
offense." That sounds great, and I'm sure Detmer could teach the
*right* guys how to play a pro-style offense, but he didn't have the right
guys, and he should have been able to evaluate the talent in front of him and
A lot of comments about changes that might help the program but a few things to
consider. BYU is a team that needs time to develop its players (Bronco was great
at that). We bring in very few freshman that make significant contributions
early in their careers. So this train wreck will continue for a few years. My
biggest concern is the culture. Hook up friends and family, players coach, lack
of discipline on and off the field etc. We can’t compete like that. We
don’t have great players in the pipeline and it’s unreasonable to
expect any of the current crop to improve significantly before next year with
the same coaches and preparation. The answer may be lower expectations?
At Northern Lights Enjoy the couch potato bowl, you certainly earned
the bid. Travel will be easy and look on the bright side you
won’t lose sonce the game wont be played on the field.
byufootballrocks:You mention all those coaches but you have little
understand of their coaching principles. Chip Kelley, as an example, had a
balanced offense. LSU runs way more than it passes. These coaches have high
octane offenses but the idea that they huck it and chuck it 80% is complete
misconception. They are actually have a great run-pass balance and understand
that a running game complements and sets up the passing game. Of course the
best program over the last 10 years just runs the ball down your throats as well
as the top 6A high school programs in our state. Go figure.
To fix the Cougars vast problems, that all can be drastically reduced by first
finding-BYU-a-conference- to-play in, would give back to the team hope and
incentive of which Cougars players lack both.
The highly touted QB recruit, Zadok Dinkleman, is the nephew of Ty Detmer and
wants to play in a pro-style offense. I know that a player who commits to a
school can de-commit if the school fires the coach that recruited him. Would the
same apply in this case, since it is quite probable that a big reason Dinkleman
was coming to BYU was to play for his uncle? Does anyone have the answer to
Tossing aside BYU's most valuable and experienced football asset after two
days of "consideration" shows poor commitment and tremendus lack of
vision. Every professionally experienced ex-player asked supports Ty's
offensive scheme Now Holmoe should take a hard look at rep[acing Sitake with
Detmer...and give him LaVelle-like time to succeed. This quick trigger response
to fans instead of professional and visionary approach to developing and
elevating the football program brings Kalani's credibility as Head Coach
into serious question. The scope of change Ty committed to takes years to
implement. This kind of kneejerk reaction to fan pressure makes the entire
program look frantic and amateurish.
So Saragin ratings are more important than on the field performance. Hence,
let's save time and injury to player and just anoint a NC every year based
on "ratings." We could even "play" every game based on
"ratings", but that too would be a waste of time since #1 will always
end up# 1. Hmmm, tell Auburn that.
This is totally the wrong move! The defense consistently was horrible and even a
novice could see you cant cover 3 receivers with two defensive backs! This
happened with frequency. The Defesensive coaches needed to go. Tye Detmer has
the talent and know how. Scapegoat. The defensive coaches should have been fired
UteologyRegardless of how desperately you try to spin it with
"rankings"UMass was 6 points better...Fresno was
7 points better...Utah was 6 points better...than one of
the worst teams in BYU history.
@london UMass was 6 points better.Fresno was 7 points
better.Utah was 6 points better.Where do ute fans get
off saying that they are far far far far far better than these teams?------How about Sagrain rankings?#38 Utah#98 Fresno#111 BYU#114 Umass
As Far as I can see, none of the head at the D1 level in the state of Utah has
set any type of a standard this year. At the U coach Whittingham hasn't
done much since they entered the pac12 and Utah State is not setting any records
in their conference. BYU was dismal this year and coach Sitake is just way too
nice. Ty Detmer was probably the scapegoat for the offense but, where is the
scapegoat for the defense. The DC probably should go as well. Sure this years
cougars were riddled with injuries but if you fire one coach, especially the one
who had use every QB on the roster, then other coaches should fry as well.
I saw that a PAC-12 returning coach, went to a team that the University paid a
$12M buyout for the coach they let go. Then this new coach is getting paid a
$23M piece for a couple of years coaching. Universities pay a lot of money for
coaches, whether they are winning or not. They $12M buyout is still a lot of
money for a coach that probably had a good contract to begin with.BYUs independent status does not give continuity or a community to be involved
with. The change to bowl games in the 1970s made a difference for BYU since
they don't Sunday play. Sacrifice brings forth blessings and
Ty Detmer and his head coach have not had a good year. Money buys a lot in this
world. Ricks/BYU-Idaho has not had too much lacking without sports. There has been a loss of enthusiasm without a conference. Utah State was
independent for a long time, but the after season bowl games are attached to
more conferences than independents. That is more prestige for coaches are
players and the giving of donations from Alumni.
Hiring Utah coaches is not the answer. Utah is mediocre last 3 seasons, really
the last 9. The Y lacks athletes and will be like Harvard going forward, with
seasons of 6 and 5 records and that is fine with me. Just don't turn into
Utah football. Please. Utah has had 8 or 9 off. coordinators in a decade, so
let's not go down that path.
Sitaki defense gave up many points this year. Future will be challenge still.
Just hope this is best for Mangum for senior year. Players come first.
fwiw, don't think finances are an issue with byu at all. even with fans
not coming to games, the football game does just fine. the tv contract ensured
that. would really doubt the university sinks much actual money into the
program, though they have clearly put money into facilities.think
detmer was an odd hire to pair with a first year head coach. no idea at all if
he was even who sitake wanted. would have thought one would want a highly
experienced coordinator to pair with sitake. quarterback injuries didn't
help but thought play calling was poor overall.think byu losing
holliday to utah (receivers coach) did have an impact. there were a lot of
drops, but their also seemed to be a lot of poorly run routes by the receivers.
think there was a discipline issue here more than a talent one.in
retrospect, doesn't it seem like byu should have tried to run the football
more all season long? one of the main strengths was the offensive linemen.
as an aside, i see many byu fans complaining about ute fans
commenting on byu articles. i am a utah grad and my wife is byu grad so i
follow both programs and really only root against byu when they play utah.
Headline writer: "Detmer Sacked"
Sad to see BYU, coach Sitake, and "fans" throw Detmer under the bus and
make him the scapegoat. Sad but not very surprised.
Brett Favre said he learned more from TY Detmer than any other player or perhaps
coach. Maybe BYU just didnt have the players.
It was a bad year for Cougar football. And, unfortunately, the offense was the
most disappointing part. When the office doesn't improve, the coordinator
is the one who loses his job, despite poor performance by those under him and
his players. Football coaching is a tough profession. Thank you, Coach Detmer
for taking the chance. I wish you the best in whatever you do. Two
points - 1). Schools that get rid of football struggle financially as
enrollments, tuition and athletic funds drop.2). Independence
allows BYU to play a better schedule and make more money on game rights than
being in a non-power conference. It also allows BYU to keep its schedule
Sunday-free. One bad year does not doomsday make. Buck up! Things will get
@mussingaround: BYU fans aren't claiming that losing to Utah by a mere 6
points was a big accomplishment,@Spokane Ute: Umm, yes they are.
What else is there to brag about?Umm, nope they're not. They're simply laughing at Utah fans for being so desperate that
they're claiming that a 6-6 record with a 6 point win over one of the worst
BYU teams in the last 60 years is something to brag about.
"Again, not true. Though the Utes had a disappointing year this year, they
were far, far, far better than byu. When Utah loses on the road . . . it is
far, far, far better than when byu lost to East Carolina, UMass, Fresno State,
etc. "Funny thing is that BYU (notice the caps) lost to East
Carolina with EC being 16 points better than BYU.UMass was 6 points
better.Fresno was 7 points better.Utah was 6 points
better.Where do ute fans get off saying that they are far far far
far far better than these teams? I assume that they would be also, but I also
assumed that BYU would dominate these teams, we didn't and Utah beat BYU
but didn't dominate.Utah was better, 6 points better, which is
tied with UMass for our closest loss.Yeah, disappointing season for
BYU, but this "far far far far far better" business is comical.
In the scheme of things this may not even matter. As Church leadership is
weighing the options of the program as a whole this may be a mute point. Sad
that this once proud program is close to it's very demise. Quibbling over
Ty's firing should be of little consequence considering the very existence
of football on campus is at high risk.
@ bhansen - DeRidder, LANov. 27, 2017 3:56 p.m.I have never been
more ashamed to be a BYU fan than when our mighty Cougars lead by Coach Sitake
allowed them to walk onto the field in New Orleans. The LSU Tigers looked at
them like can you believe that. I believe Sitake supported that poor decision.
He lets the players get away with way too much. Mark my words there are more
indiscretions to come because of the head coach's lack of discipline and
professionalism. I don't think he has any loyalty.-----What? So BYU players are not even supposed to walk onto the field at
New Orleans? How exactly is this an "indiscretion"?
If I had total authority over the football team, I would simply scrap it just
like the Church did with BYU-I. Stop wasting the money and focus on education
instead. However, barring that not being an option, seems like they need to let
the entire coaching staff go and replace them all.
mussingaround - Palo Alto, CANov. 27, 2017 3:39 p.m.Uteology"Claims a man who's team's biggest accomplishment is the
margin of DEFEAT against Utah."BYU fans aren't claiming
that losing to Utah by a mere 6 points was a big accomplishment,they're laughing at Utah fans for beating their chests about a 6-6 season
in which you barely squeaked past one of the worst BYU teams in the last 60
years.--------------------#111 BYU laughing at 6-6 #38
Utah? The same BYU that went 3-5 vs MWC/AAC? Priceless!Yes you are! Each year you keep bringing up margin of defeat! That's
your biggest accomplishment since 2009. Own it!
@ jctaylor26 - Queen Creek, AZNov. 27, 2017 1:41 p.m.How many
millions of dollars have been and are being spent on BYU Provo's supporting
a D1? college football program? How does a mediocre football program help bring
about BYU's goals of being spiritually strengthening, intellectually
enlarging, character building, and leading to lifelong learning and service? The
various BYU's have gotten rid of sports programs in the past which I would
imagine have shaken loose some $$$ to be spent in a way that would be more in
line with the a university supported by the LDS church. Pull the trigger!----Dude? Really? Again?Just give up, will
you. There are a TON of valid, positive reasons BYU should keep sports, and you
even know what they are so quit whining for them to go away.
@bhansen: Your form of Christianity would not be endorsed by the Catholic
Church. I hope you get over your anger and even learn to love your enemies.@critics: Which of you has even coached football at a high school
level? If any of you have, I'd like to hear you admit it. I would never
want to coach at BYU because of the intense scrutiny and vicious, whiny,
self-righteous fans who irrationally think life revolves around a win/loss
record.@Ty: What an honor it has been to have you at BYU. No one
can even guess at how many hours you put into your work. May God continue to
bless you and your family. Thank you.
BYU needs to step up and spend the money they need to on this team. BYU football
brings in a tremendous amount of money, but the athletic department gives so
little back to the program compared to other programs. This is the money maker,
and you put Detmer on the chopping block when the team doesn't get the
money and resources they need...and that includes a better paid and better
quality of position coaches. Sitake is an ok coach, great guy, but an ok coach.
Detmer is an even better guy and an amazing coach, and he gets the boot. Sounds
like Sitake needed to make a big change and get the eyes off of him and what
bigger story can you get than relieve Detmer of his duties. Ty, you deserve the
best and this University didn't give you that, let alone the benefit of the
doubt with the injuries and inconsistent play from Mangum who I know you wanted
to replace sooner than later. Maybe the QB coaching job would be a good one,
but do it elsewhere and SUCCEED in an environment that supports the team and not
the team that needs to pay for every other sport not making any money. Coach in
Texas or Arizona....we love you, appreciate you and you trusted the university
that burned you.
You adapt your offense around the players you have on the team and then recruit
in the future to fit your desired style. Don't force fit players into a
system that will not put them in a position to succeed. That's what
happened here. If you pull off 6 wins by force fitting players, that's one
thing. You win only 4 games, this is what happens.Why Mangum
continued to play when it was clear he was injured all season long, is beyond
me. I see one other offensive coach leaving. Just because you can play
football at a high level doesn't mean you can coach those attributes that
may be natural to you and your playing style.
Horrible recruiting was the downfall of Detmer and will soon be the downfall of
Sitake. Independence is not sustainable and Cougar fan
expectations are way too high.
Shame on you, BYU.This is how you treat your Heisman Trophy winner?!
You guys didn't even give Coach Detmer three years...! What a "Happy
Valley" welcome "home"!Piece by piece, you are ruining
what was, at one time, a great football program. Placing the blame solely on
Detmer's shoulders is selfish across the board.Why not hold
Coach Cahoon accountable, for every single catchable ball that his receivers
dropped due to poor technique and poor execution?Coach Mahe, for
sporadic running back performance and spotty technique?The
quarterbacks that didn't make the correct reads w/ the pro style
offense?The O-line that couldn't protect the QBs and move past
the 50 yard line against LSU?Why not hold Coach Sitake accountable,
for less than inspired performance from both his players and friends/coaches
(across the board)?Coach Detmer was part of the long-term solution,
not the problem that some genius thought might be quick-fixed by some inferior
replacement. BYU continues to shoot itself in the foot. Whatever happened to
respecting the rebuilding process?Tells me all I need to know. That
much happier to be a Ute Nation convert since 2003. It's a great day to be
I wondered what the head coach was thinking when Ty was getting so many of the
interviews and most of the attention. Now we know.Sitake is a nice
guy but my opinion of him has gone down a few notches. Ty knows football. You
can not find success with all of the injuries and many quarterbacks that had to
be in the mix this year. We just did not have the people at the tough part of
the schedule. It is easier to learn how to lose than learn how to win.Ty was one of the most knowledgeable coaches on the staff. We will not become
a winning program with the coaches we have. Not many coaches find success when
they start using scapegoats.
I have never been more ashamed to be a BYU fan than when our mighty Cougars lead
by Coach Sitake allowed them to walk onto the field in New Orleans. The LSU
Tigers looked at them like can you believe that. I believe Sitake supported
that poor decision. He lets the players get away with way too much. Mark my
words there are more indiscretions to come because of the head coach's lack
of discipline and professionalism. I don't think he has any loyalty.
mussingaround - Palo Alto, CANov. 27, 2017 3:39 p.m.Uteology"Claims a man who's team's biggest
accomplishment is the margin of DEFEAT against Utah."BYU fans
aren't claiming that losing to Utah by a mere 6 points was a big
accomplishment,------Umm, yes they are. What else is there to brag
about?Quick, to the time machine!
Look on the bright side; you still have your 6 point loss to brag about. After
all, it was the high point of the season. Kind of ironic that BYU fans bagged on
Utah for replacing the same coach, now can't understand it when it comes
Uteology"Claims a man who's team's biggest
accomplishment is the margin of DEFEAT against Utah."BYU fans
aren't claiming that losing to Utah by a mere 6 points was a big
accomplishment,they're laughing at Utah fans for beating their
chests about a 6-6 season in which you barely squeaked past one of the worst BYU
teams in the last 60 years.
Sitake needs to go too! I would not want to work for him in any way shape or
form. Last year everyone met expectations. This year the whole staff was a
needs improvement (2 needs improvements is termination) unless there is
misconduct. Good luck getting anyone of any type of talent. So disappointing.
It is really hard to be a BYU fan, and alum when there's no Christianity at
a supposedly Christian school. Glad you have ostracized your Heisman trophy
winner. I'm so glad I got my masters from the Catholics.
I'm hoping BYU's new OC keeps Ty as QB coach.Ty is an
excellent coach. He simply lacks the experience required of an OC at the D1
level.Staying on as QB coach would give Ty the D1 coaching
experience that he lacks.
Another new sheriff in town again?I hope this one doesn’t dry
up that poly pipeline even further than Kalani did Mahalo
What makes any of you think BYU could have run Washington States offense? BYU
doesn't have the talent! This past year wasn't a coaching issue it is
a TALENT issue!
I'm mildly amused at all you Know-it-All's who think you know what BYU
pays it's coaches.Nobody knows outside the inner circle and BYU will
keep it that way.Detmer was let go because of horrendous play
calling all year. OC's belong in the booth where they can see the
entire field.Time for Sitake to let go of all of his buddies and run
the program with the best coaches. Nepotism ends here, today.
Earlier today I posted that In my opinion this wasn’t a good move. Keeping
Ty on as Co-offensive coordinator or QB Coach is absolutely essential to this
program. The offense we all want to see run is the Doug Scovil offense,
very similar to the one they are running at Washington state. Whatever we
do, let’s get back to fundamental BYU football.
As long as we're making changes, please please replace Cahoon. He
wasn't the answer the first time around and is even worse the second time.
"he's probably the best that BYU can do with its financial
resources"How do we know what BYU would or wouldn't
spend?I bet that BYU doesn't spend massive amounts of money,
but it's probably a pretty hefty payment anyway.I don't
think BYU is asking people to go on food stamps - the fact that it's
undisclosed isn't a clear indication of BYU being cheap, maybe just not
stating what they aren't publicly required to state.
After all of the OC's that Whittingham has hired and fired, it's
absolutely hilarious that Utah fans are here doling out their meaningless advice
on the hiring and firing of OC's.I guess they think that
practice makes perfect.
utetology certainly paints a pretty picture over the term "mediocrity "
Surf is up"You ute fans/BYU stalkers should ought to tread
lightly on this topic...... were dead last in their division"-Simply not true. Do a little research. "@2BCSWINS for all
your banter the utes are still pretty much in the same league as BYU is (as bad
as they were this season.)"Again, not true. Though the Utes had
a disappointing year this year, they were far, far, far better than byu. When
Utah loses on the road to USC and Washington by a combined 4 points, and loses
to Stanford by 3 (all 3 teams in the top 25) it is far, far, far better than
when byu lost to East Carolina, UMass, Fresno State, etc. Please
don't make the comparison again between Utah and byu. There is no
UteologyThe elephant in the room that you're desperately trying
to ignore,Whittingham is the only one of the three who hasn't
lead his team to a CCG.PAC 12 South Titles:Mora: 1Graham: 1Whitt: 0
superdmil "Why is it that Sitake gets a pass but Detmer
doesn't."Ask Utah fans; Whittingham is the indisputable
leader in hiring and firing OC's.
Detmer is the lucky one.
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taylormade1 - Springville, UTNov. 27, 2017 1:42 p.m.Pugman ,You are
so correct with your comment except you forgot to add ,says a man who's
team limped into 2nd to last place in the pac12 and seems to be drowning into
mediocrity in the pac12... last chance university came within a whisker of
finishing 5-7 for 3 of the last 6 years in the pac... now that is certainly an
accomplishment to pound your chest about !!--------------------Claims a man who's team's biggest accomplishment is the margin
of DEFEAT against Utah.Again facts.Utah finished 8th in
P12.Since 2011, Utah is #7 in PAC-12 play, #5 overall.Utah has 3 top 25 teams, behind only Stanford, USC, and Oregon.
Don't do it A-Rod, you'll have to shave your beard!
Firing Detmer won't solve the problem that BYU finds itself in. The man who
should be held accountable for the steady decline of BYU football and basketball
of the years is Tom Holmoe. I've said this from day 1 that
independence was a mistake which would ultimately ruin BYU football. BYU's
recruiting has taken a big hit. Bronco was a solid coach that BYU let go because
he was tired of coaching a team that has nothing to play for. Can you blame him
for taking the Virginia job? BYU needs a conference. They're not Notre Dame
and never will be.
I honestly think Ty would have done better given more time. IMO this is a bad
move. Better to reassign the strength and conditioning coach.You ute fans/BYU stalkers should ought to tread lightly on this topic.
The utes barely made bowl eligibility this year, were dead last in their
division, and were the one team that BYU lost to but yet still had a shot at
still beating at the end of the game. All due to yet another anemic offense.
In fact the utes have had more OCs since joining the pac12 than
I've had asprin for this year's headaches ala Cougar football.@2BCSWINS for all your banter the utes are still pretty much in the
same league as BYU is (as bad as they were this season.)Best wishes
for Ty. I hope he is still around to coach the QBs
@idabluyes, Holmoe is responsible and should be terminated. His
experiment has failed. Time for a new scientist.
@UteologyYour Top 25 seasons are a thing of the past and the
"U" will always be a mid-major compared to the Legacy and Brand of
Oregon and UCLA.
@Ghost WriteBTW, I would rather go 4 -9 as an independent than
achieve a hollow 10-2 or even 11-1 in the Mountain West conference. Hang in
there and keep scheduling the tough teams. It's a lot more interesting.
Even with the most dismal year ever, we came one score from beating the mighty
"Power 5" Utes :-)-------------------You went
3-3 vs MWC and 0-2 vs AAC, what makes you think you would go 10-2?
Uteology,"Only in the bubble down south, lets look at facts.Last 4 seasons:Mora: 4-8, 4-8, 8-5, 10-3 (one top 25
season)Graham: 7-5, 5-7, 6-7, 10-3 (one top 25 season)Whitt: 6-6, 9-4, 10-3, 9-4 (three top 25 seasons)"-------PAC 12 South Titles:Mora: 1Graham: 1Whitt: 0Enough said. They accomplished more than Whitt ever has in the PAC 12,
even when the opportunity all but fell into Whitt's lap for the taking.
65TossPowerTrap - Salmon, IDNov. 27, 2017 12:40 p.m.The first thing
Sitaki needs to do is ignore any advice from his mentor at the 'U'.
What that guy knows about offense could be written on a postage stamp. Todd
Graham and Jim Mora were fired with similar records as the celebrated
Whittingham. I guess some schools just have higher expectations than others. ------------Only in the bubble down south, lets look at
facts.Last 4 seasons:Mora: 4-8, 4-8, 8-5, 10-3 (one top
25 season)Graham: 7-5, 5-7, 6-7, 10-3 (one top 25 season)Whitt: 6-6, 9-4, 10-3, 9-4 (three top 25 seasons)
Pugman ,You are so correct with your comment except you forgot to add ,says a
man who's team limped into 2nd to last place in the pac12 and seems to be
drowning into mediocrity in the pac12... last chance university came within a
whisker of finishing 5-7 for 3 of the last 6 years in the pac... now that is
certainly an accomplishment to pound your chest about !!
Offense was mediocre last year and very poor this year with largely the same
personnel that Robert Anai worked with. The difference was coaching. BYU took
a chance on an inexperienced OC (largely because of financial limitations I
would guess). Now they have an opportunity to hire an OC with experience
(albeit with similar financial limitations). My guess is that Sitake hires
someone he knows and trusts--Aaron Roderick--who is also a BYU alum and is
available. He won't be the most popular hire because he didn't
exactly tear it up at Utah, but he's probably the best that BYU can do with
its financial resources, and he certainly has a lot more experience than Detmer
had. The offense should see noticeable improvement next year because they have
an experienced coach at the helm, which is helpful not only for the play
calling, but more importantly, the day-to-day establishment of habits, skill
development, etc. Here's looking forward to next year!
How many millions of dollars have been and are being spent on BYU Provo's
supporting a D1? college football program? How does a mediocre football program
help bring about BYU's goals of being spiritually strengthening,
intellectually enlarging, character building, and leading to lifelong learning
and service? The various BYU's have gotten rid of sports programs in the
past which I would imagine have shaken loose some $$$ to be spent in a way that
would be more in line with the a university supported by the LDS church. Pull
The best solution for BYU is to get rid of the AD (Tom Holmoe). He has
absolutely no experience as an AD and it shows!
Just for the record, never in the history of college football has a major
Division I school made a high school football coach an offensive coordinator
from the start...
Maybe Kalani can rid the program of the "Club Med" atmosphere. They
yuck it up with the coaches and they arrive late to meetings and practices as if
Coach Sitake has very little control. Bottom line, Detmer
can't control everything. Be happy with your scapegoat. Go
It seems like someone had to be the scapegoat. I'm sure Detmer has gained a
lot of experience and knowledge over the last two seasons. How will we ever know
what a winter of study and game preparation planning would have translated into
next season. I hope he remains on staff. One of the problems this year was the
players who violated the honor code and hurt the team.
Ed Larson - new OC
Why is it that Sitake gets a pass but Detmer doesn't. This was only his
second year as a college coordinator and he had players someone else recruited.
I think Mendenhall knew the cupboard was going to be bare and that hastened his
exit. And it appeared to me Sitake was dictating a no imagination, ball control,
run first offense like the one Whittingham runs at Utah. I think
Detmer should be given another year or two with at least of few of his own
players. And freedom to pass as much as he'd like if that wasn't the
Maybe the next OC needs to be at the press box upstairs. Apparently, the slow
pro-style offense seems to not work with players that perhaps learned other
formations and Offensive styles in High School or other schools. There is no
need to panic because I feel this team will be good next year because of the
struggles they went through this past season. Human beings become closer to each
other and comradeship is stronger when the chips are down. I really feel the
school needs to determine instead of going for lofty unrealistic, unachievable
goals. One will never see BYU in a National Championship similar to Utah,
Arizona and Arizona State. We need to give these young men success on the field
instead of trying to please us fans, especially those National Championship
ConradGurch"The comments in here are hilarious!"For writer of the most hilarious comments...see mirror.
The article said Ty might stay on as QB coach. Kalani has to be
feeling huge pressure to get this hiring decision right. I'm wondering with
Norm Chow recently on campus hanging with the coaching staff if Kalani
hasn't been working to smooth things out with him to bring him back as an
OC with maybe assistants as Run Game Coordinator and Pass Game Coordinator/QB
Coach (maybe this is where Ty gets assigned). Despite what some
think, Ty did a nice job play calling this year and maybe this is a way Kalani
can bring in some experience on offense and save some face with a former BYU
legend (Ty). Having Ty as the QB Coach and involved with play calling would
still be a big plus in recruiting I would think.This might explain
Chow's presence of late and his venturing comments and his opinion on the
BYU's hiring practices have always been incestuous.Nice to keep it in
the family, but it stinks for their programs.
Love Ty and hope he stays at BYU in some capacity, but his offense was
absolutely pathetic.There's no excuse for struggling against
Portland State,and even with the rash of injuries, BYU's offense should have been able to muster more than 17 points against
the worst defense in the country, East Carolina.
Grad and London: "Would love to see him stay on as QB coach!”;
"wow- I hope he stays as QB coach.”Why? Mangum regressed
under his tutelage. He’s shown no indication he is good as any type of
Poor Ty. A reason he didn't join a staff at the BYU earlier was for a
scenario like this. Now it happened. Undue pressure and expectations, with the
possibility of failure would drive most away. Ty took the challenge and fans
wanted him fired. Ty has had enough crap happen to him at BYU that it could sour
him against the school. If so, I can't blame him. The situation at the BYU
is untenable. It isn't Ty whose the problem. It is BYU itself. It is the
nonsense of leading fans along that the church school can succeed at the highest
levels of athletics.
What took so long?Nice guy, bad coach.
"It is not the critic who counts;.......Theodore RooseveltBest
of Luck Ty, I know you gave it your all, Hopefully, you'll still be
coaching for the Cougs in some aspect when this all shakes out. Thanks and GO
On a personal level I love BYU's coaching staff -- They are classy, good
men. Sitake's insistence that you don't have to hate Utah if
you're a BYU fan (and vice versa) is refreshing. That being
said, this needed to happen. With few exceptions BYU's opponents seemed to
figure out what our offense was doing within the 1st quarter of every game --
Even a few of the commentators mentioned this. It wasn't about personnel.
It wasn't about injuries -- Maybe going from high school to D1 was a bigger
jump than some people thought. I know it's a complicated situation, but
I'm proud of all involved for recognizing the obvious and taking steps to
improve execution (and win more games). BTW, I would rather go 4 -9
as an independent than achieve a hollow 10-2 or even 11-1 in the Mountain West
conference. Hang in there and keep scheduling the tough teams. It's a lot
more interesting. Even with the most dismal year ever, we came one score from
beating the mighty "Power 5" Utes :-)
There is no doubt that Ty knows the game.He was able to coach a High
School team from being 1-9 to 9-1 in Texas. He obviously knows how to teach.There were some real head scratchers on offense. Throwing a bomb on 4th
and inches. Faking a punt from your own end zone. These plays were so dumb
that if they had worked they would have been viewed as brilliant.I
hope Ty stays on as QB coach. A couple years at the D1 level may be all he
Ty is a great guy, but clearly out of his element as a D1 OC. Didn't
really pay his dues the way others have. His offense looked like 1982 BYU
offense and the game and defenses has changed radically in D1 football.
Question is, who will the new OC be? There's not a bevvy of LDS OC's
out there. If they don't use LDS membership as a qualifier then the field
opens up a bit. (Remember, Doug Scovil & Mike Holmgren were not LDS). Maybe if the Seahawks fire Bevel (unlikely, but there's talk up
here) there could be a qualified LDS candidate of how to run a pro style
offense.Then again, if wishes were fishes, we'd all be eating
seafood tonight! Good luck to Sitake & Holmoe. They have a major rebuild
job with mostly empty cupboards.
65TossPowerTrap, that couldn't have been said any better. I agree with you!
The comments in here are hilarious! Bring the worlds greatest offensive
coordinator and he couldn't have done any better! The talent level
isn't good enough at BYU to be competitive in D1, please drop down to
Division II so you can compete!
I don't know how anybody could justify NOT firing Detmer. I love him as a
person and as a college quarterback. But he is really, really bad as a OC. The
numbers prove it. The eye test proves it. The product he put on the field was
painful to watch. I quit watching after the first game of the year. It was
obvious then that the offense was going to be U G L Y. I had better things to do
than spend three hours being slowly and painfully euthanized.
Hopefully Holmoe and Sitaki will be next. Time to clean house and start over.
It has been one great big debacle.
I nominate Aaron Roderick as your new OC. Anyone want to second the motion? Its
not like BYU has a lot of choices available...
There’s also much criticism and calling for the head of Holmoe for going
independent. At the time that was the best decision financially and
exposure-wise. And it was the best hope to get into a P5 conference. It was
strongly supported by the vast majority of BYU faithful. It was a very popular
move and Holmoe was highly praised for it. I still think it is the right move.
But now suddenly critics are coming out of the woodwork calling for his head for
going independent. I understand those who want to go back to a G5
conference but don’t call for Holmoe’s head for embarking on this
experiment. That was a decision that was highly supported by the BOT, the
Administration, and YOU the fans.
Its about time. This has been long overdue.
Stop with all this talk of ruining Mangum, a potential all- American QB. Tanner
was average at best his freshman year and looked worse this year. Ty could not
throw the ball or make decisions for Mangum. His talent just did not translate
to the college level and certainly never would have translated to the pro
level.That being said, Detmer as the OC was a chance. He had no
record at this level and he couldn't get it done.
The first thing Sitaki needs to do is ignore any advice from his mentor at the
'U'. What that guy knows about offense could be written on a postage
stamp. Todd Graham and Jim Mora were fired with similar records as the
celebrated Whittingham. I guess some schools just have higher expectations than
others. While I hate to see Detmer fired - it had to happen. Maybe someday
this crazy Indie scheme will get fired as well.
Wait... so, Detmer is 9-4 (with the four losses by a combined eight points to
Utah, UCLA, Mississippi State and Boise State) with Taysom Hill--a QB who was
neither a top-flight runner nor passer in his final year--and Jamaal Williams
and good-but-not-great receivers, but is an awful coach when he has *no one* who
can run the ball or receivers who can consistently get open at the beginning of
the season, a starting quarterback who doesn't see receivers who *are* open
and is consistently off-target with the ones he does see and is hampered by
injury most of the year, and total team injuries/suspensions the likes of which
I don't ever recall in the last nearly 40 years?
Another day, another BYU article.And the usual suspects respond:Those who know nothing but think they do because they read it in the
comments at some time.The usual Ute trolls who are compelled to put their
snarky comments on EVERY article.The armchair football players who think
they know just what went wrong and just how to fix it.I am sad to
see Detmer go. I think he should have had one more year. If he stays on staff
as the QB coach, that would be great. More than one good High School coach has
jumped to College at level beyond their experience. And failed. I
hope the new OC is experienced and proven. And that he brings in a group of
position coaches that have proven records. Sadly, I do not think
BYU will have the money to bring in such coaches.
The type of year that the Cougars had was due to several factors. Same
coaches last year and there were reasonable amounts of wins. Let
me give a list of what went wrong.1. Injuries to Mangum2.
Injuries to running backs3. Some poor play calling. Taysom Hill ran his
way out of bad calls. This being said, I believe there is a lot
right with Ty Detmer. But there is some issues that would work themselves out
with some time learning on a staff as a quarterback coach. I think Ty is an
amazing person that needs some more experience. He might resurface as an
offensive coach elsewhere after some more coaching experience and be amazing.
Hope the best for Ty and his family.
I think head coaches and for that matter all coaches know that these
appointments are not a lifetime....or even a long-term gig. I would love to see
Detmer carry on with some capacity at BYU but I don't think his coaching
style was compatible with a successful offense unfortunately. I am excited to
see the direction BYU goes with a new offensive mindset.
Hmm. They begged him to come to Provo. 9-4 his first year and 4-9 his 2nd...
with 37 injuries on the team including 5 qbs rotating or playing hurt. And
he's out?..That's not a lot of loyalty. Sounds like
politics to me. Defense didnt play much better... DC out? Nope. I think
Sitake put Detmer on the chopping block to divert attention from himself and his
buddy the DC. My enthusiam for BYU football just dropped... a lot.Ty, your a gentleman and a scholar. Best of luck to you and your family.
The hypocrisy in these comments is amazing.The fact remains that 99% of
the Cougar faithful were ecstatic about the prospect of Detmer as OC and
applauded Holmoe for landing him. So Monday morning criticism of Holmoe for that
hire is mostly coming from folks who originally supported the hire. I was
excited about the hire myself but it didn’t work out. Get off
Detmer’s and Holmoe’s back.
I'm sad to see Detmer go. He seems like a classy guy and I hope the best
for him. Now that he's no longer OC, I think that we need a total refresh
in terms of offensive coaching and strength coaching. I think that a realistic
hire for OC might be Jason Beck from Virginia. He's a BYU grad, has been a
successful OC at a lower level, got a very good season from Tanner Mangum when
he was coaching him as QB coach and seems to be very bright. I think that we
also need a new strength coach. The strength coach in many ways sets the tone
for a program (how strong and well-conditioned players are, how hard players
work, attention to detail, etc.) and we need an upgrade there.
Now on to releasing the Recruiting Coordinator.
2BCSWINS...that comment shows real class. Is football that important to you?
What goes around comes around. The Y had a down year (lost to mighty Utah by
6), but they will be back. I'm pleased that there are very few Y-haters
out there. Unfortunately, the ones that exist keep coming back to the threads
to offer their classless comments. Good luck, Utes, in the bowl
game. Go Cougs!
I would like him to stay as offensive coordinator. Hope we don't bring in a
go-fast go-hard guy, we don't have the depth to sustain that all season.
Injuries and a honor code violation decimated key offensive positions even
before the season started and got worse. No wonder the offence couldn't get
going. I think he should have stayed another year with healthy players may have
been different, like 2016.
@Johny TriumphDetmer probably never should have been offensive
coordinator in the first place. He's a better QB coach and he was
absolutely "zero" experience running a collegiate program. Removing him
as offensive coordinator was the right move.
@2BCSwins:Says the man who's team is a mediocre 6-6 mired in
the lower tier of the Pac 10.2. Rah, rah
Great move! If you can't perform you should be out! Coaching is either you
have it or you don't - clearly he doesn't have what it takes.
I'll give the rest of the coaching staff one more chance. The defense and
DC wasn't much better, he should be next. Bronco and his staff had the same
players talents yet they produced much better results. The only difference
between the past 2 years and the Broco era were coaching staff - players talents
were essentially the same, thus this season's disaster was 100% coaching
This is step #1. I'm glad BYU allowed Kalani to do this! Now, the program
needs better assistant coaching and BYU needs to step to the plate with some
fair money to attract decent/proven assistant coaches. It takes a team of
coaches with proven ability to compete and recruit. We all believe Ty
Detmer is a great person and had an amazing run at BYU. That will never be
forgotten to BYU faithful...but that did not translate to wins and good
coaching.... which is what this job is all about. Good guys don't always
make good coaches. I will always consider Ty Detmer a class act guy. Best
wishes to Ty as he gets his life back on his ranch. Im sure he welcomes this as
@BraveSirRobin and a few others seem to get it. The problem is Holmoe and his
inability to find real head coaches. Sitaki and Rose are prime examples of
coaches who can't bring BYU to the next level. And who knows if it will
ever happen, but you have to have an AD who knows what it takes, then BYU might
have a chance at succeeding at the next level. But the reality of it is that BYU
should get rid of football and concentrate on the other sports. The WCC
doesn't seem to be hurting without a football power.
I don't like the way Sitake throws his players under the bus in public.
All he should say is, "We have a lot of things to work on."And
Detmer didn't win the Heisman because LaVell Edwards was establishing the
run. Sorry to see Detmer go but he's taken a potential All American
quarterback and made him mediocre.
Wow! That had to be Ty's choice...
Did Holmoe force Detmer on the staff or is that just rumor?
Welcome to the world of "what have you done for us lately", a.k.a. FBS
football (the NFL too for that matter). Don't take it personally Ty, there
are plenty of other coaches now looking for new jobs too and we still love what
you did for us as a player!
@Brave Sir Robin:Although I was in the minority of wanting to hire
Niumatalolo - I grew up watching option football, and I think Brother Kenny
could get more talent at BYU than at Navy - can you imagine the uproar that
would have broken out if Holmoe had actually hired him? We BYU fans were still
coming off remembering the years of actual passing attacks and scoring 60 points
a game. We are now seeing the result of resisting a major change that might
have been for the better.
Sad to see this. To be fair, Detmer's play calling was
sometimes unimaginative. On the other hand, he didn't cause the injuries
that required 5 QBs to play and dropped them down to start the 5th string
running back, didn't over/under-throw wide open receivers or drop balls
thrown on target on well-conceived plays, didn't fumble when the ball
should have been wrapped tightly, etc.There are only a handful of
people with the offensive knowledge that Ty Detmer still has, and which he did
convey to his players. Too bad it didn't equate to yards, points, and
wins. I would have liked to see him get / recruit players to fit the system he
brought, and see how that developed over a couple more years. Guess we'll
never know, at least at BYU.
I completely disagree. Mangum was a poor decision making quarterback, Hoge goes
down and we didn't have the depth. We had more injuries from tight end on
down to running back not to mention the defensive side of the ball. Detmer has a
wealth of knowledge and he would succeed at a college with better athletes, but
BYU is not the type of school that can acquire the talent necessary. He did the
best he could with what he had, and at the end of the day this is a business and
Sitake felt this was the move that had to be made. I hope Ty remains on as the
QB coach as Ty spent over a decade grooming NFL quarterbacks. Once again, this
proves winning is everything despite what is said along the way. Since Ty is
back in college football, look for him to go somewhere else down the road and
That's too bad was hoping he and the entire staff down south would remain
in tact for decades to come.
BYU should not keep him as a QB coach. He mismanaged Tanner Mangum right from
the beginning. I still don't see how he was a "brilliant mind" and
an "offensive genius"?Hope the best for him, though. He
isn't D1 coach material as of yet. He should work at it and get more
college coaching experience before taking on such roles.
This clears the way for another glorious off-season. go cougs.
This seems like an odd choice after a season of 3rd/4th string skill position
players and a talentless receiving core (if only dropped passes were points).
It's not like BYU will have a deep pool of coordinator talent to draw from
to replace Detmer. There isn't anyone on the roster even remotely near the
level of Hill and Williams. I think they should have given him at least one
Sad, because we all would have loved to see it work out. I hope Ty chooses
to stay at BYU because there are many loyal fans that feel he can still be a
great contributor to the program. Much respect still to a great man.
Need to add....this was a team that was very low on talent. Recruiting is Job 1.
I have mixed feelings but overall feel very sad for how it turned out for
Detmer. Ty was our only Heisman winner and is a class guy. Few superstars on the
field learn how to effectively coach.It's easy to call for a
coach's head and most fans have no clue what they're talking about.
And there are so few good eligible replacements. Especially when BYU pays its
assistants so little. Best to go to an up-and-coming program like USU did with
their OC. I think it's time for Holmoe to go...
KimmyPIt’ll up to the new OC, as it should be, whether Ty
stays on as QB coach.The same probably goes for the rest of the
If the first words out of the new offensive coordinator's mouth are once
again "We must establish the run" then we've learned nothing from
this sad experience. And nothing from our observations of Darrell
Dickey (10-1 Memphis's OC) Matt Canada (LSU's OC who cut his teeth at
Pittsburg), Lincoln Riley (Oklahoma's head coach and OC), Chip Kelley
(UCLA's HC and former OC), Joe Moorhead (Penn State), and a host of others
who made their mark this year with innovative, pass-first offenses, which give
them an edge. We need an innovative, explosive offense and clearly a
return to Pass U. That is still the formula, especially given our recruiting
restraints. Even without those, many D-1 teams have gone pass-first.
Wait a minute. This can not be accurate.We were told that this guy
was an offensive genius and taught Brett Favre how to throw a football.
Tuiaki needs to go to. Get set for another "buddy-buddy" hire.
Somebody had to be the fall guy. Unfortunately this is make no difference as
there are bigger and more fundamental issues with the program than the OC.
Could cost the program a few more LDS athletes before signing day. What a mess
it is in Provo.
I'm a UTE.Ty Detmer is a good man.Another good man
is Mike Riley...cut loose by Nebraska Saturday...after 3 years as HC.Kalani Sitake is a good man.As much as I admire and like those
men, football is all about W/L's.Best wishes to Ty as he goes
forward with his life.
You mean a guy with no college coaching experience who had a losing record while
coaching at a small private Texas high school struggled at the D1 level?
Shocking. BYU can now hire Roderick and expect a heavy dose of comeback routes,
out routes and hitches.
Holmoe should go... look at basketball and football he is tying to do to the Y
what he did at Cal.Detmer should have never been put in that position.
Not sure Holmoe had anything to do with that but still what a mess you weave
I agree Holmoe should take responsibility for the hire. However, I think that
the receivers coach should also Ben Cahoon should hit the bricks. The receivers
play was just as bad as the first time he was there.
Rock couldn’t see this coming, I guess he was just too focused on the Utes
and coach Whittingham. I wonder if the AD will recommend the new OC
again. After you run two programs into the ground and fire your Heisman Trophy
winner just admit you have miscalculated. Here’s hoping the
new AD has ‘Glen Tucket attributes’ and the new OC can be similar to
I'll bet Ty is relieved, but wrong move.
wow - I hope he stays as QB coach.the play calling wasn't the
greatest, with a rebuilding year going without any of his own recruits yet and a
ridiculous amount of injuries there is only so much that he could have done.the problem is for the recruits - Jaren Hall was serving in my ward last
year and always spoke about how excited he was to play for Ty Detmer -
that's a huge shake-up to guys coming in expecting to play for Ty in a time
where no shake-up was needed.Maybe remove him from play calling but
don't get rid of Ty, it's a bad year but not the time to hit the panic
button yet, teams have bad years, they climb out of them, but every change drops
you back on that learning curve.
I really hope this isn't a scape goat for other areas that seem to have a
problem. Offensive line protection of the quarterback has been absolutely
terrible except in the last three (maybe four) games. Injuries have been a
plenty. Where is the conditioning coach in managing that? Just getting bigger is
not a good plan; balance in strength conditioning and overall physical readiness
is important. I'm just saying that something is amiss in that area. The
lack of discipline with a number of players is also indicative of a culture that
starts with the top. Sitake has to take ownership of the overall culture and
performance of the team. I see a number of areas that are indicative of the
wrong culture or leadership that BYU has dealt with previously with Crowton. If
next year doesn't turn out well, I hope Holmoe starts asking players for
honest feedback that put Bronco at the top for an amazing era. Culture is
everything. I'm concerned right now and not convinced that the Detmer scape
goat is the right answer to appease Cougar Nation right now.
I mean, it's the right move. He managed one of the worst offenses in D1
football. He also ruined Tanner Mangum as a QB.However, I am
surprised that his legacy didn't give him another mulligan. I guess a
Heisman Trophy isn't enough qualification to be an OC. I bet that Sitaki is
feeling enormous pressure himself and had to make this decision to save his own
job.The person I'm waiting for to leave is Tom Holmoe. He has
done so much damage to the program.
KSL is reporting that Detmer and all other assistants will remain on staff,
according to a school release. Would love to see him stay on as QB coach!
Next the strength coach and then Holmoe and then the rest of Sitake's
buddies.And then rejoin the MWC and this mess of a program can begin
to be fixed.
Wow, out altogether, not even demoted to QB coach? This clears the way for ARod
to become the new OC.
Wow! Knew changes were coming, but still a shock! I personally think he would
have pulled it together for next season, but perhaps it's not worth the
risk. I wish Ty and his family well.
It's a good move. Magnum regressed this year and the fill-ins looked like
they never got any practice reps. Sitake needs to go too. I always wonder if
he's listening to that BYU classical music station on his headphones during
the games. He won't turn that program around.
And just think: If Tom Holmoe hadn't insisted on putting Detmer on the
staff, your head coach today would be Ken What's-His-Face from Navy.
Instead you have no offense, no offensive coordinator, and your head coach is
Kalani "I'm in way over my head" Sitake.Well done,
Holmoe...well done. I couldn't destroy BYU-Provo athletics nearly as well
as you have.
This is a bad move.
Painful, but correct decision.Ty is still under contract and could
stay on as QB coach at discretion of new OC.
While we saw this coming it doesn't make it any easier. I would hope
Detmer can stay on as QB coach, he's a wealth of knowledge.
Ty didn't recruit Tanner, but Tanner's inability to perform may have
proved Ty's downfall. Sad to see him go.
Sad that Detmer couldn't translate into the Offensive Coordinator we all
hoped he could be. Maybe a few years with exposure to college football, keep him
on staff as a recruiter and other things. Who knows. I sincerely
hope we can find an OC that is good and can get the offense moving. Haven't
really had good/consistent offensive play since Max Hall. Taysom and Jamaal were
good too, but inconsistent all around on offense.