In our opinion: Religious freedom empowers women

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  • illuminated Kansas City, MO
    Dec. 6, 2017 12:19 p.m.

    @Thomas

    Old Testament laws changed when Christ taught forgiveness rather than "an eye for an eye". Jewish diet was disbanded and the Sabbath was changed to the day of His resurrection, Sunday. Hebrews also teaches that a sacrifice of your heart replaces animal sacrifices. That's why we call it the New Testament. We still honor the words and commandments given through ancient prophets, but many lesser laws changed.

    Homosexuality as a sin never changed in the New Testament.

    Matt 10: 14-15 Jesus says that those who reject his disciples' message will have an even worse fate than Sodom and Gomorrah.

    Many prophets describe the primary sin of S&G as homosexuality and other sexual sin/abominations including Jude 1

    7 Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire.
    8 Likewise also these filthy dreamers defile the flesh, despise dominion, and speak evil of dignities.

  • Thomas Jefferson Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Dec. 6, 2017 11:53 a.m.

    illuminated - Kansas City, MO

    "Old Testament. Christians no longer follow old Jewish law."
    Not according to Jesus. Read Matt 5:18. But then christians arent really christians, they are really Paulists, a guy who never met Jesus.

    Ah yes, the 'pick and choose' bible. So freeing when you can just make it up as you go along.

    For fun point out the part of the NT where jesus says anything about homosexuality. I will wait...forever.

  • illuminated Kansas City, MO
    Dec. 6, 2017 11:10 a.m.

    @Misty Mountain

    Old Testament. Christians no longer follow old Jewish law. 1 Corinth. 14:34-35 is part of the New Testament and should be followed.

    By the way, Muslims in many nations today still follow such laws, including stoning, and slavery.

    I find it ironic when so many liberals support more Muslim immigration, but can't tolerate Christians.

  • Misty Mountain Kent, WA
    Nov. 29, 2017 7:08 a.m.

    @illuminated , you are quoting Paul. I understand that you agree with his ideas about the proper behavior of women.

    Do you also agree with stoning your disobedient children? The same bible tells you to do so.

  • Misty Mountain Kent, WA
    Nov. 29, 2017 6:45 a.m.

    @NoNamesAccepted wrote

    "The point here is that a society that tolerates and protects freedom of both conscience and the peaceful, public expression of religious beliefs is also likely to protect the individual rights of women."

    You DO support the "peaceful, public expression of religious beliefs" for Evangelicals who wish to discriminate against Mormons in the public square, don't you?

    And you do remember all those wonderful rights that women--and blacks-- had in the days when the peaceful, public expression of religious beliefs in the separation of the races had public (and legal) approval?

  • Lagomorph Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 27, 2017 5:55 p.m.

    DesNews: “Religious freedom empowers women”

    This claim might be more credible if the two largest denominations in the state (comprising about two of three adherents) did not categorically deny women the highest positions of ecclesiastical authority. Let me know when Pope Christina issues an encyclical. Female empowerment comes when women have equal access to all the same power men have, nothing less. It’s really that simple.

  • Frozen Fractals Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 27, 2017 1:25 p.m.

    I think some of the comments are missing a key distinction. Yes, religion has historically and in many circumstances today still reduces freedom that women have, religious freedom on the other hand is the concept that people can practice whatever faith they want (if any) and a concept that expands options for women helps secure their rights a bit more, even if individual religions are oppressing them.

  • Thomas Jefferson Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Nov. 27, 2017 10:41 a.m.

    Nothing like a revisionist view of the biblical role of women to make your feel good about making the 'religious freedom' argument. Fact is there is one thing which empowers women more than any other and that is the ability to determine when they have kids. Contraception empowers women which is why so many religious leaders are trying to use 'religious freedom' to keep it out of the hands of women.

    Its funny to see women claim their chains are some sort of freedom but the fact is religion was invented by men to subjugate women and gain power/money for the 'leaders'. When you break free from religion you find out what freedom really is.

  • illuminated Kansas City, MO
    Nov. 27, 2017 7:04 a.m.

    Here is what the Bible teaches about a woman's role. Feminism, Gynocentrism and "empowering women" has no place in Christianity.

    Let's see if the DesNews respects my religious freedom enough to post this.

    1 Corinthians 14:

    "34 Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience, as also saith the law.

    35 And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church."

  • NoNamesAccepted St. George, UT
    Nov. 26, 2017 10:54 p.m.

    @LDS Liberal: "See the difference?"

    I sure do.

    Clinton was not removed from office. He lied to the public, and committed perjury in court denying justice to his victim. Most Democrats continue to defend him or downplay his crimes as merely marital infidelity despite overwhelming proof he committed sexual assault.

    His wife who viciously attacked his victims' character was nominated for President by the Democrat party this last time. Franken and Conyers continue to hold power and have offered only non apology apologies, denying any real wrong doing.

    Meanwhile, you want to remove Trump from office and deny Moore office over unproven allegations which they deny and for which there is little evidence beyond some offensive locker room talk taken out of context (if "they let you" it isn't assault) or October surprise allegations from 30 years ago.

    The difference is, you let Democrats off the hook with the slightest of non apologies and non punishments while you fume over Republicans not being drawn and quartered.

    I have one standard for all. Investigate. Indict or remove from office if sufficient evidence. Otherwise, leave it to voters. Trump, Moore, Conyers, Franken.

  • 1aggie SALT LAKE CITY, UT
    Nov. 26, 2017 7:10 p.m.

    Religion can be a force for good—or bad. It can bring out the best—or worst in people. It can also be used to subjugate and marginalize women or empower women to reach their highest potential.

    According to the Pew article cited in the editorial Christians and Muslims make up half the world population and are the targets of social and /or govt hostilities in more countries. Hostility against Jews is increasing.

  • LDS Liberal Farmington, UT
    Nov. 26, 2017 3:17 p.m.

    NoNamesAccepted - St. George, UT
    Nov. 26, 2017 10:09 a.m.

    @LDS Liberal,

    Your silence on Democrats such as Bill and Hillary Clinton, and Al Franken turns a common and serious problem into a mere partisan hot potato that both sides can then blame on the other while never working to find real solutions.

    ===

    No need to mention Bill Clinton, he was impeached, and Al Franken has acknowledged, apologized, and welcomed a Congressional investigation - so your point is moot.

    Meanwhile -- Trump lies and denies, Roy Moore lies and denies -- and Republicans are silently DEFENDING them for it.

    See the difference?

  • Shaun Sandy, UT
    Nov. 26, 2017 1:23 p.m.

    I admit I am baffled by this editorial.

    While I believe religious freedom is important I do not know if it empowers women as a whole. Some may feel empowered and others may feel subservient to it.

  • marxist Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 26, 2017 12:06 p.m.

    But looking globally religious freedom means male rule. This is true for all of Christianity and Islam.

  • marxist Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 26, 2017 10:38 a.m.

    "Religious freedom empowers women"

    But only sometimes.

  • Laura Bilington Maple Valley, WA
    Nov. 26, 2017 10:19 a.m.

    This article might make sense if, to begin with, it defined what "religious freedom" meant. Is it the right to go to whatever church you want to attend--and this includes the right to NOT go to any church at all? Or is it the right of believers to do whatever say think their religion requires of them, which usually involves treating badly another group of people, in the name of "living one's religion"?

  • NoNamesAccepted St. George, UT
    Nov. 26, 2017 10:09 a.m.

    @LDS Liberal,

    Your silence on Democrats such as Bill and Hillary Clinton, and Al Franken turns a common and serious problem into a mere partisan hot potato that both sides can then blame on the other while never working to find real solutions.

    Your comment is, therefore, a disservice to victims and society.

    The point here is that a society that tolerates and protects freedom of both conscience and the peaceful, public expression of religious beliefs is also likely to protect the individual rights of women.

    It is interesting to note that those quarters of American society where sexual abuse of women seem to be most common tend to be institutions or cultures where true religious freedom is not So much valued: Hollywood, college campuses, the halls of power in DC.

    Note that personally professing religious beliefs is not the same as defending religious freedom for others as well as oneself.

  • Hutterite American Fork, UT
    Nov. 26, 2017 10:11 a.m.

    Nothing has done more in history to subjugate women than religion. Almost exclusively, they are subordinated, devalued, even mutilated in its' name.
    Empowering women is one of the best if not only ways to improve a society. In order to do so, religion needs to be confronted and curtailed.

  • LDS Liberal Farmington, UT
    Nov. 26, 2017 7:10 a.m.

    In our opinion: Religious freedom empowers women
    ...and Donald Trump with Roy Moore - with the rest of the Republican Party silently condoning them -- are taking it away from women....