@ThomasOld Testament laws changed when Christ taught forgiveness
rather than "an eye for an eye". Jewish diet was disbanded and the
Sabbath was changed to the day of His resurrection, Sunday. Hebrews also
teaches that a sacrifice of your heart replaces animal sacrifices. That's
why we call it the New Testament. We still honor the words and commandments
given through ancient prophets, but many lesser laws changed.Homosexuality as a sin never changed in the New Testament.Matt 10:
14-15 Jesus says that those who reject his disciples' message will have an
even worse fate than Sodom and Gomorrah.Many prophets describe the
primary sin of S&G as homosexuality and other sexual sin/abominations
including Jude 17 Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about
them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after
strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal
fire.8 Likewise also these filthy dreamers defile the flesh, despise
dominion, and speak evil of dignities.
illuminated - Kansas City, MO"Old Testament. Christians no
longer follow old Jewish law."Not according to Jesus. Read Matt 5:18.
But then christians arent really christians, they are really Paulists, a guy
who never met Jesus. Ah yes, the 'pick and choose' bible.
So freeing when you can just make it up as you go along. For fun
point out the part of the NT where jesus says anything about homosexuality. I
@Misty Mountain Old Testament. Christians no longer follow old
Jewish law. 1 Corinth. 14:34-35 is part of the New Testament and should be
followed.By the way, Muslims in many nations today still follow such
laws, including stoning, and slavery.I find it ironic when so many
liberals support more Muslim immigration, but can't tolerate Christians.
@illuminated , you are quoting Paul. I understand that you agree with his ideas
about the proper behavior of women. Do you also agree with stoning
your disobedient children? The same bible tells you to do so.
@NoNamesAccepted wrote"The point here is that a society that
tolerates and protects freedom of both conscience and the peaceful, public
expression of religious beliefs is also likely to protect the individual rights
of women."You DO support the "peaceful, public expression of
religious beliefs" for Evangelicals who wish to discriminate against Mormons
in the public square, don't you?And you do remember all those
wonderful rights that women--and blacks-- had in the days when the peaceful,
public expression of religious beliefs in the separation of the races had public
(and legal) approval?
DesNews: “Religious freedom empowers women”This claim
might be more credible if the two largest denominations in the state (comprising
about two of three adherents) did not categorically deny women the highest
positions of ecclesiastical authority. Let me know when Pope Christina issues
an encyclical. Female empowerment comes when women have equal access to all the
same power men have, nothing less. It’s really that simple.
I think some of the comments are missing a key distinction. Yes, religion has
historically and in many circumstances today still reduces freedom that women
have, religious freedom on the other hand is the concept that people can
practice whatever faith they want (if any) and a concept that expands options
for women helps secure their rights a bit more, even if individual religions are
Nothing like a revisionist view of the biblical role of women to make your feel
good about making the 'religious freedom' argument. Fact is there is
one thing which empowers women more than any other and that is the ability to
determine when they have kids. Contraception empowers women which is why so many
religious leaders are trying to use 'religious freedom' to keep it out
of the hands of women. Its funny to see women claim their chains are
some sort of freedom but the fact is religion was invented by men to subjugate
women and gain power/money for the 'leaders'. When you break free from
religion you find out what freedom really is.
Here is what the Bible teaches about a woman's role. Feminism,
Gynocentrism and "empowering women" has no place in Christianity.Let's see if the DesNews respects my religious freedom enough to
post this.1 Corinthians 14:"34 Let your women keep
silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they
are commanded to be under obedience, as also saith the law.35 And if
they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a
shame for women to speak in the church."
@LDS Liberal: "See the difference?"I sure do.Clinton was not removed from office. He lied to the public, and committed
perjury in court denying justice to his victim. Most Democrats continue to
defend him or downplay his crimes as merely marital infidelity despite
overwhelming proof he committed sexual assault.His wife who
viciously attacked his victims' character was nominated for President by
the Democrat party this last time. Franken and Conyers continue to hold power
and have offered only non apology apologies, denying any real wrong doing.Meanwhile, you want to remove Trump from office and deny Moore office
over unproven allegations which they deny and for which there is little evidence
beyond some offensive locker room talk taken out of context (if "they let
you" it isn't assault) or October surprise allegations from 30 years
ago.The difference is, you let Democrats off the hook with the
slightest of non apologies and non punishments while you fume over Republicans
not being drawn and quartered.I have one standard for all.
Investigate. Indict or remove from office if sufficient evidence. Otherwise,
leave it to voters. Trump, Moore, Conyers, Franken.
Religion can be a force for good—or bad. It can bring out the
best—or worst in people. It can also be used to subjugate and marginalize
women or empower women to reach their highest potential. According
to the Pew article cited in the editorial Christians and Muslims make up half
the world population and are the targets of social and /or govt hostilities in
more countries. Hostility against Jews is increasing.
NoNamesAccepted - St. George, UTNov. 26, 2017 10:09 a.m.@LDS
Liberal,Your silence on Democrats such as Bill and Hillary Clinton,
and Al Franken turns a common and serious problem into a mere partisan hot
potato that both sides can then blame on the other while never working to find
real solutions.=== No need to mention Bill Clinton, he
was impeached, and Al Franken has acknowledged, apologized, and welcomed a
Congressional investigation - so your point is moot.Meanwhile --
Trump lies and denies, Roy Moore lies and denies -- and Republicans are silently
DEFENDING them for it.See the difference?
I admit I am baffled by this editorial.While I believe religious
freedom is important I do not know if it empowers women as a whole. Some may
feel empowered and others may feel subservient to it.
But looking globally religious freedom means male rule. This is true for all of
Christianity and Islam.
"Religious freedom empowers women"But only sometimes.
This article might make sense if, to begin with, it defined what "religious
freedom" meant. Is it the right to go to whatever church you want to
attend--and this includes the right to NOT go to any church at all? Or is it
the right of believers to do whatever say think their religion requires of them,
which usually involves treating badly another group of people, in the name of
"living one's religion"?
@LDS Liberal,Your silence on Democrats such as Bill and Hillary
Clinton, and Al Franken turns a common and serious problem into a mere partisan
hot potato that both sides can then blame on the other while never working to
find real solutions.Your comment is, therefore, a disservice to
victims and society.The point here is that a society that tolerates
and protects freedom of both conscience and the peaceful, public expression of
religious beliefs is also likely to protect the individual rights of women.It is interesting to note that those quarters of American society where
sexual abuse of women seem to be most common tend to be institutions or cultures
where true religious freedom is not So much valued: Hollywood, college campuses,
the halls of power in DC.Note that personally professing religious
beliefs is not the same as defending religious freedom for others as well as
Nothing has done more in history to subjugate women than religion. Almost
exclusively, they are subordinated, devalued, even mutilated in its' name.
Empowering women is one of the best if not only ways to improve a society.
In order to do so, religion needs to be confronted and curtailed.
In our opinion: Religious freedom empowers women...and Donald Trump with
Roy Moore - with the rest of the Republican Party silently condoning them --
are taking it away from women....