The Pilgrims, America and recovering the idea of revelation

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  • Craig Clark Boulder, CO
    Nov. 29, 2017 2:41 p.m.

    RE: "Separatists believed in reforming the Church of England through strict adherence to God's word in the Bible. . . . "

    Hal Boyd is confusing Separatists with Puritans. The later wished to reform the Church of England from within. Separatists chose instead to separate from the Church of England altogether, hence the name Separatist.

    RE: JoelB44, “William Bradford's poetic journal describes hardships for the Puritans that most early LDS pioneers could easily identify with. . . . ”

    Again, Puritans and Separatists are not one in the same. The Pilgrims who under William Bradford settled Plimoth (Plymouth) Plantation in 1621 were Separatists. The first Puritan migrations to New England came a decade later with the settlements of Salem and Boston.

  • Prometheus Platypus Orem, UT
    Nov. 28, 2017 10:35 a.m.

    Rifleman claims: "I think the majority of us know the mind and will of God."

    ..and there in lies the problem, everyone thinks they are the majority, and God tends to side with the majority, or more specifically the person speaking for God, or claiming to know God will and mind.

    You know like the idea that God wanted white christians to commit genocide against the people already occupying North America. Southern plantation owners felt quite at home claiming God's knowledge.

    Religion is great for those who are part of that religion group, those who believe differently don't fare so well.

    God seemed to be around a lot more, when man knew a lot less about his environment. It seems God waits for some things to become popular before changing his mind and commandments.

  • nonceleb Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 27, 2017 11:51 a.m.

    I am a historian and taught history for 33 years. Separatists, like the Pilgrims, did not believed in reforming the Church. They had separated completely from the Anglican Church. Thus the term separatists. The reformers were the Puritans, who wanted to "purify" the church from within. Two very different faiths, two different purposes.

  • JoelB44 Idaho Falls, ID
    Nov. 26, 2017 1:56 p.m.

    John Robinson and the "Separatist" also know later as Puritans were truly ahead of their times in listening to promptings by the Holy Spirit of God! In much the same manner, Joseph Smith and Latter-day Saints were ahead of their times in 1830.
    William Bradford's poetic journal describes hardships for the Puritans that most early LDS pioneers could easily identify with, and the expansion of satellite communities by successful colonialists across New England is mirrored by the wide spread of LDS communities across the western American continent under the guidance of Brigham Young.
    Thanksgiving time is the appropriate opportunity to remember the terrible suffering, bravery and survival of those daring to follow the promptings they felt from their God.

  • Rifleman Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 26, 2017 1:21 p.m.

    Hutterite - American Fork, UT

    I think the majority of us know the mind and will of God. Some of us just chose to ignore what we know to be true.

  • marxist Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 26, 2017 10:41 a.m.

    Here in 2017 labor, that is those who survive only through the sale of their labor power, is no more secure than in 1917. Would that revelation could shed some light on such.

  • Hutterite American Fork, UT
    Nov. 26, 2017 10:11 a.m.

    Beware of anyone who claims to know the mind of god.

  • Danny Chipman Lehi, UT
    Nov. 26, 2017 8:55 a.m.

    Great article. Thank you.