RE: "Separatists believed in reforming the Church of England through strict
adherence to God's word in the Bible. . . . " Hal Boyd is
confusing Separatists with Puritans. The later wished to reform the Church of
England from within. Separatists chose instead to separate from the Church of
England altogether, hence the name Separatist.____________________RE: JoelB44, “William Bradford's poetic journal describes
hardships for the Puritans that most early LDS pioneers could easily identify
with. . . . ”Again, Puritans and Separatists are not one in
the same. The Pilgrims who under William Bradford settled Plimoth (Plymouth)
Plantation in 1621 were Separatists. The first Puritan migrations to New England
came a decade later with the settlements of Salem and Boston.
Rifleman claims: "I think the majority of us know the mind and will of
God."..and there in lies the problem, everyone thinks they are
the majority, and God tends to side with the majority, or more specifically the
person speaking for God, or claiming to know God will and mind.You
know like the idea that God wanted white christians to commit genocide against
the people already occupying North America. Southern plantation owners felt
quite at home claiming God's knowledge. Religion is great for
those who are part of that religion group, those who believe differently
don't fare so well.God seemed to be around a lot more, when man
knew a lot less about his environment. It seems God waits for some things to
become popular before changing his mind and commandments.
I am a historian and taught history for 33 years. Separatists, like the
Pilgrims, did not believed in reforming the Church. They had separated
completely from the Anglican Church. Thus the term separatists. The reformers
were the Puritans, who wanted to "purify" the church from within. Two
very different faiths, two different purposes.
John Robinson and the "Separatist" also know later as Puritans were
truly ahead of their times in listening to promptings by the Holy Spirit of God!
In much the same manner, Joseph Smith and Latter-day Saints were ahead of their
times in 1830.William Bradford's poetic journal describes hardships
for the Puritans that most early LDS pioneers could easily identify with, and
the expansion of satellite communities by successful colonialists across New
England is mirrored by the wide spread of LDS communities across the western
American continent under the guidance of Brigham Young.Thanksgiving time
is the appropriate opportunity to remember the terrible suffering, bravery and
survival of those daring to follow the promptings they felt from their God.
Hutterite - American Fork, UTI think the majority of us know the
mind and will of God. Some of us just chose to ignore what we know to be true.
Here in 2017 labor, that is those who survive only through the sale of their
labor power, is no more secure than in 1917. Would that revelation could shed
some light on such.
Beware of anyone who claims to know the mind of god.
Great article. Thank you.