Larry Pressler: Chatter in D.C. is focused on the flurry of sexual misconduct

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  • george of the jungle goshen, UT
    Nov. 28, 2017 2:05 p.m.

    Barium aluminum ba.al. there are monuments religions an schools to Baal . its every where and in in everything , saturated, how an where to start up the black goo. Over 5,000 indictments is coming down

  • Unreconstructed Reb Chantilly, VA
    Nov. 27, 2017 4:12 p.m.

    "Stop deflecting to the party you don't like."

    Good sir, I'm not the one who went on a tear about Clinton (who was last elected to office 21 years ago), Franken, and Conyers in order to deflect from the current candidacy of Roy Moore.

    "Clean up your house and you'll be in a position to demand the GOP clean theirs."

    You missed the part in my first comment where I said Clinton wouldn't have been elected today, that I had no problem if Franken leaves office, and that whataboutism wasn't going to work on me. I'll happily toss Conyers overboard with Clinton and Franken, and add Pelosi afterwards for defending him.

    And frankly a lot of us aren't receptive to outrage from the Right after the GOP nominated for president a man who had a thoroughly documented history of sexual scandal and immorality, and then elected him despite the Billy Bush tape. Ya'll ran out of moral high ground on that one. Hosea 8:7.

  • Fred44 Salt Lake City, Utah
    Nov. 27, 2017 3:39 p.m.

    NoNamesAccepted,

    There again republicans through out the name Clinton and suddenly anything their guy does is justifiable. Clinton/Trump same basic sleazebag except Clinton doesn't brag about it. Neither one respects women or treats them with any dignity. They are objects for their enjoyment. Franken acts like a junior high kid. Wrong none the less and I would have no problem getting rid of him. Conyers didn't use tax money to pay off his situation, don't know enough yet. Moore, belongs in a different category than the rest because as a 30 year old he was stalking teenagers not question about that. How inappropriate was his behavior, not sure but 30 year old's chasing teenagers is not acceptable.

    I agree lets end the partisanship which means Clinton being a dirt bag does not justify anything from anyone.

  • NoNamesAccepted St. George, UT
    Nov. 27, 2017 1:41 p.m.

    @Unreconstructed Reb:

    I'm glad Trump brought about the positive change that Clinton didn't. Sending cops to gather up women and then sexually assaulting unwilling victims was, like pedophilia, no less offensive in the 90s as it is today.

    The allegations against Moore should have been released before the primary. They were held specifically for maximum partisan effect. That should not be rewarded even if the allegations are true.

    I say about Moore what I say about Franken, Conyers, and Trump:

    Prosecutors and congressional ethics committees should investigate. If there is cause to indict or to censure, on a non-partisan, objective scale, then the accused should be thrown out of congress or the White House until the matter is resolved.

    Lacking sufficient evidence for that, voters' wishes ought to be respected.

    There is photo evidence of some of Franken's conduct. Multiple accusers He has admitted to some.

    Taxpayers payout on behalf of Conyers. Multiple allegations.

    Moore denies any illegal conduct. So too Trump.

    Stop deflecting to the party you don't like. Clean up your house and you'll be in a position to demand the GOP clean theirs.

  • Frozen Fractals Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 27, 2017 10:10 a.m.

    @Flying Finn
    "Liberals have been pushing for the new "anything goes" morality but still want to use it as a tool to destroy Republicans."

    Because it's not really "anything goes". What you call "anything goes" is really "well if everyone involved is an adult in consenting, what's the problem"? And so the ones liberals flip out about break those adult or consent rules or involves some form of hypocrisy by the person who did it.

  • Unreconstructed Reb Chantilly, VA
    Nov. 27, 2017 8:56 a.m.

    "Seems to me that Roy Moore's alleged conduct happened in the 70s and 80s. Do you want to hold him to the standards of when the conduct is alleged to have happened? Or by when a biased media outlet choose to publish the dirt so as to achieve maximum partisan effect?"

    Sorry, allegations of stalking and molesting underage girls were every bit as disgusting in the 70s and 80s as they are now.

    You can complain about "biased media outlets" to your heart's content, but the original story was compellingly well-sourced and has since been corroborated by other women as well as what appears to have been quiet common knowledge at the time that Moore cruised the mall, YMCA, dance performances, and football games for teenage girls.

    Regarding the timing, I think you have the same issue Pressler does in the piece. You're both missing the shift that's underway as women become comfortable with speaking out against those who have sexually assaulted or harassed them.

    A shift that owes much to Trump's behavior, by the way.

    And if you don't understand why a girl in rural Alabama would wait decades to speak up, you haven't taken a look at the pressures that sexual assault victims face.

  • Fred44 Salt Lake City, Utah
    Nov. 27, 2017 7:05 a.m.

    Flying Finn,

    Hypocrites claim to be of higher morals then say the other guy did it first so it's ok for my guy to do it.

    Republicans have learned to excuse all their inappropriate behavior by say the Clinton's did it first. That is the definition of hypocrisy.

  • Impartial7 DRAPER, UT
    Nov. 27, 2017 6:36 a.m.

    @Flying finn;
    "Bill Clinton told us that what goes on in the bedroom is none of our business. Liberals have been pushing for the new "anything goes" morality but still want to use it as a tool to destroy Republicans."

    Yeah? And I remember Republicans impeaching Clinton. I was one of them supporting that.
    But now, that it's one of their own,-no one wants to address it. The fact that he was recently kicked off the bench for breaking the law should be reason enough disqualify him.

  • Mick , 00
    Nov. 27, 2017 6:04 a.m.

    Impartial-

    Let’s all follow the advice of Nancy Pelosi and allow due process. That is her wish for her fellow democrats anyway.

  • Baron Scarpia Logan, UT
    Nov. 27, 2017 5:57 a.m.

    What is interesting about America's "awakening" of sexual harassment and abuse is that it really had its seeds planted before Harvey Weinstein -- in the 2016 campaign with both Trump's 'Access Hollywood' tapes and women coming forward with sexual abuse allegations AND also Anthony Weiner and his sexting habit with young girls. One politician went to prison and the other went to the White House. Democrats were quick to distance themselves from one of their own; GOP embraced their guy as a marriage of convenience to win -- politics over ethics.

    While the GOP is supposedly on the brink of passing tax reform to demonstrate to the nation that they can "govern," their plans are likely to be disrupted by the growing demands for sexual harassment reform amongst their own ranks -- ironically, motivated in part by their own leader, with whom they knew all along had this sexual harassment baggage. Should Roy Moore get elected, the promised ethics hearings on Moore is going to be another distraction.

    December is going to be a rocky month for the GOP. Merry Christmas!

  • Karen R. Houston, TX
    Nov. 27, 2017 5:53 a.m.

    I recognize that not all transgressions are equal, but I think the line in the sand right now needs to be set at zero tolerance. First of all, is it really asking for much to expect public servants NOT to grope others? Seriously? And the details of the reporting system that Congress made for itself tells me they need a strong, clear message to get it through their heads. Good grief, they had the gall to set up a taxpayer-funded kitty to pay for their transgressions and they get to keep their precious names secret. Contemptible.

    So I'm for zero tolerance right now. Let's first establish how serious we take this, then address degrees of difference later.

    Re: Roy Moore, I think the standard for some is the culture war, not political affiliation. Moore is the face of the contingent that wants the nation white, hetero, Christian (the right kind) and male-dominated. These now are "true" signs of character and proper righteousness.

    One glimmer of hope left for the moral integrity of this group: Many still know enough to be ashamed to plant a pro-Moore sign in their yard.

  • silo Sandy, UT
    Nov. 27, 2017 2:15 a.m.

    @flying finn

    "Liberals have been pushing for the new "anything goes" morality"

    Really? Please cite a single example where "liberals" have approved of a 30 year old man making advances on children, as Moore is accused of doing repeatedly.

    Please cite a single example where "liberals" gave a standing ovation to Kevin Garn for hottubbing with a 15 year old.

  • Utah Girl Chronicles Eagle Mountain, UT
    Nov. 26, 2017 10:56 p.m.

    There is no equivalency between Franken and Roy Moore. Franken has repeatedly apologized and has called for an investigation. Moore has attacked the victims and continues to autograph Bibles.

    Pressler's glee about Franken and Charlie Rose obscuring the seriousness of the charges made against Moore is obvious. The Chappaquiddick reference was unnecessary. That took place nearly fifty years ago. Patty Murray's name was spelled incorrectly. Not much reason then to buy the book.

    This is a moral final exam for Republicans. Pressler's comments add up to nothing.

  • NoNamesAccepted St. George, UT
    Nov. 26, 2017 9:07 p.m.

    @Unreconstructed Reb:

    Seems to me that Roy Moore's alleged conduct happened in the 70s and 80s. Do you want to hold him to the standards of when the conduct is alleged to have happened? Or by when a biased media outlet choose to publish the dirt so as to achieve maximum partisan effect?

    The guy has been a controversial figure in politics for a couple of decades. But allegations of sexual misconduct come out in the middle of national awakening of the problem and simultaneous at the very moment when those allegations might have most benefit for liberal democrats. And that doesn't raise any red flags?

    I'll take the same standard with Franken, Conyers, and Moore. Both prosecutors and their Congressional ethics committees should investigate. If there is sufficient evidence of actual sexual abuse (as opposed to merely off putting or "inappropriate" conduct), they should be indicted or expelled. If not, then allegations are not proof and it becomes a matter for voters to consider as they might consider anything else.

    One standard, across party lines. No excuses; no partisan double standard.

    I don't think anything more can be expected. Nothing less should be acceptable.

  • Flying Finn Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 26, 2017 6:26 p.m.

    Impartial7 - DRAPER, UT

    Bill Clinton told us that what goes on in the bedroom is none of our business. Liberals have been pushing for the new "anything goes" morality but still want to use it as a tool to destroy Republicans.

    "Hypocrites" believe in the double standard.

  • Light and Liberty St George, UT
    Nov. 26, 2017 5:45 p.m.

    This may come out about 'peccadillos' (Bill Clinton's immoral behavior is not a 'peccadillos'), but without a doubt this is about power. The politics do not matter. What matters is morality. I'm a conservative, almost a libertarian, by politics. I believe in the rule of law. I believe in family. I believe in our Constitution. All of that is meaningless, and I mean meaningless, unless citizens rise up and start living in a way that is moral. If citizens are immoral, no Democrat, no Republican, not even government, whether progressive or conservative, will make a hill of beans. That is why I watched Barack Obama for 8 years, disagreed with him on many things, and now watch Donald Trump, some things of which I absolutely approve of, with an air of nonchalance almost, because neither of them can change America for the better if people don't change their ways.

  • Impartial7 DRAPER, UT
    Nov. 26, 2017 2:47 p.m.

    " but we must try to use a moral standard and not politics in deciding these cases."

    By electing Trump after his "grab 'em by...." statement, I don't believe we have a moral standard anymore.

  • Unreconstructed Reb Chantilly, VA
    Nov. 26, 2017 2:41 p.m.

    I don't think Pressler understands what is happening right now based on reference to Packwood, Kennedy, and Clinton. We're seeing a needed inflection point on sexual harassment, and pointing to the sexual antics of politicians in the 1990s is missing what is happening 20+ years later.

    Societal norms are changing, and younger voters have a much lower tolerance for these behaviors and are unwilling to tolerate them. I agree with those who think Clinton's peccadillos would have scuttled him today.

    Moreover, younger voters are fed up with whataboutism to deflect away from current controversies. Al Franken is trying to be proactive about addressing his accusations, and has called on his peers to investigate him. Whether or not he keeps his seat is in question. I have no problem if he resigns or is removed, so whataboutism isn't going to work on me.

    Then there's Roy Moore. We'll never see him go to court, but there's sufficient evidence from a broad spectrum of sources that something's "off" there. But if Republicans, with Trump leading the charge, want to put party over morality, they're going to implode with young voters. Is Moore really the hill the GOP wants to die on?

  • marxist Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 26, 2017 1:49 p.m.

    And we have a president who brags about abuse. Where do we.go from here?