@Rifleman;You guys are the ones always yelling "your taking from
me to give to someone else" when it comes to taxes; but you don't seem
to mind at all that WE have to subsidize your churches. That is hypocritical.
If the money you gave your church went to help the poor and needy, it
wouldn't be an issue, but the majority of those monies goes to build new
magnificient rammeumptoms and such. That should not be deductible - support
your churches yourself without a deduction.As for "doing
good"; ha! Your churches have proven over and over that they don't do
good without expectation of something in return.
pragmatistferlife - salt lake city, utahYou don't have to be
Carnac the Magnificent to spot people who hate religion in general or a specific
religion in particular. When they see those churches doing good their only
option is to criticize and tear down. For some strange reasonit makes the
haters feel better.
rifleman.."It upsets those who hate religion when charitable contributions
are given to churches. Who donates is none of their business and doesn't
affect them and so there must be some deeper reason why it bothers them.It also bothers them to know how much aid and support churches give to
the poor and needy."Seriously? Who are you Karnack the great?
and so patriot,when do you start paying off your share of the
debt?and when do we stop lowering taxes to increase the debt?
To all the confused: One, eliminate all tax deductions. Two, eliminate all
taxes except those that are directly tied to what the constitution authorizes.
Simplicity makes everything so much easier to understand and keeps all its
citizens defending for themselves, living with the consequences, relying on
charity, and free from feeling entitled, lazy, and whining.
giving to the turn of 21 trillion in debt? When does the giving stop and the pay
Ultra BobI don't argue this point, only give you a text book
definition. Most modern American Jews don't buy into the God commanded
part. Good deeds are done for their own sake. Otherwise, as you correctly
infer, it is coercion by whatever one deems a deity.Sadly, there is
a lot of coercion in religion. That is we do what is expected or commanded so
as to avoid some "awful" supernatural punishment.
unrepentant progressive.“A "mitzvah" is a good deed, often
commanded by God. Commonly used it is an act of charity to another person. The
highest form of a mitzvah is one done in anonymity with no expectation of a
reward. Selflessness combined with modesty.”In the sense that
charity is voluntary, is it charity when a person does it because his God
commands it?RBB - Sandy, UT.The tax deduction for charity
forces every other taxpayer to make up the amount deducted from a person’s
tax liability. The government should not force people to contribute to charity.
If you gave $10 to a charity and claim that as a deduction your
outlay is only $9, but the charity got $10. It is the other taxpayers who are
forced to make up the $1 difference. If every taxpayer did as you, It would all
come out even, but since you admit to giving more to charity, because of the tax
deduction, it is only the charities themselves who win.
@JoeCapitalist2 - Orem, UTYou are quite right. Sorry I missed that
Rifleman: "It also bothers them to know how much aid and support churches
give to the poor and needy."What bothers them, is that by
churches caring for the poor and needy through charitable giving; they are less
dependent upon government. Power it taken away from the political left to tax
you more and be able to direct those taxes toward causes that they support.When a private person donates to a charitable cause, THEY get to choose
where their dollars go. When the government takes it from you, the money goes
toward things that the bureaucrats decide are 'worthy efforts'. Your
taxes pay for abortion clinics, transgender bathrooms, and a whole host of other
leftist causes whether you like it or not.
Ranch - Here, UTIt upsets those who hate religion when charitable
contributions are given to churches. Who donates is none of their business and
doesn't affect them and so there must be some deeper reason why it bothers
them.It also bothers them to know how much aid and support churches
give to the poor and needy.
Ultra Bob - Charity is the opposite of unfair to America and all Americans.
Charity allows people to help where they believe the help will do the most good.
The problem with this opinion piece is that it effectively argues that higher
tax rates (i.e. a lower standard deduction) would be better because it would
make charitable giving deductible for more people. I do not give to charity to
get the deduction. Rather the deduction helps me to give more. Raising the
standard deduction also allows me to give more by reducing the taxes I pay.
Many charities have fought efforts to eliminate the death tax (yes we know we
taxed you on it once, but we want to tax you on it again now that your have
died) because it would reduce end of life charitable giving. If we have to keep
tax rates high to encourage charitable giving we have a major problem in our
country. Why not try the radical idea of keeping tax rates low so people can
do what they want with their own money. Hopefully that will include charitable
Most "charitable" contributions are monies given to churches. That
isn't true charity unless that money flows through to the poor and needy.
Money donated to churches should not be deductible.Utah is known as
a "charitable state", but that's largely because of the amount of
money given to their church. That should honestly be called "club
dues".There are many good, honest charities out there that are
deserving of our donations. Those should remain deductible.
Maybe the Jewish notions of "mitzvah" ought to be explored.A
"mitzvah" is a good deed, often commanded by God. Commonly used it is
an act of charity to another person.The highest form of a mitzvah is
one done in anonymity with no expectation of a reward. Selflessness combined
with modesty.It is nice that the government has subsidized charity
with a tax break for some folks. Of course, if you don't itemize it really
does not factor into the equation, and most folks don't. But
to sit down an read a piece in a newspaper owned by a religious organization
arguing for a tax break for what should be a mitzvah is disturbing.What does that say about our country and it's ethical standards?
I like this deduction because it goes to a good cause but you get to choose
which charity to support.I understand cutting these types of things
to pay off the deficit, but cutting donation write offs so Mr. Billionaire can
save millions doesn't make sense to me.American payroll taxes
are 38th highest in the world. They are not as high as people think they are.
Billionaires need to pay their fair share.
I will not donate to large organizations. Sorry but that is my rule.
Giving back to others in my community is very important to me. I don't do
it for the deduction but because I believe it is the right thing to do. If the
government did not tax me on money I give away to others, I could give even
I've always been a person who truly believes in giving back to the
community not because I get a tax donation but because I truly feel that giving
is important. Not being taxed on the money I give to others would allow me to
Agreed. I don't donate to charity because I get a deduction. But not paying
taxes on a dollar I've given away allows me to give more.
I would much rather have a lower tax rate with no deductions than have to keep
track of everything I spend throughout the year and fill out a bunch of
paperwork so that I can reduce my taxes. After all that work, my 'effective
tax rate' is my current high rate minus all the itemized deductions. It
would be so much simpler if I just had a lower rate to begin with.I
never give to charities because they are tax deductible. I give because I want
to give and I have checked out the charity to make sure they are using my
Will the government indemnify the short fall in donations to non-profits?
Charitable organizations provide many services that the government cannot
provide or afford. Charitable giving should be encouraged.
In over 50 years of giving, never once, never, did I donate to BYU, Church
Tithing, Scouts, YM, YW, Humanitarian Fund, Perpetual Education fund, Fast
Offerings, General and ward Missionary Funds, Salvation Army, Budget, Building
Assesment, or any other organization or cause and say, gee now I can deduct that
$ on my tases. Sorry, I do not see the connection in this story, donations, and
changes in the proposed tax laws.
Charity for a reward is not charity. If a charity requires a tax exemption in
order to exist, it not only is not charity, it is not American. Charity is unfair to America and to all Americans. By giving preferential
treatment to some and not all business operations it denies and reneges on the
promise of equal justice for all that is our Constitution. Personally I
believe that business should not be taxed and government supported only personal
income tax of the people subject to that government.
If one is donating to charities for the tax deduction, that's the wrong