Saturday's showdown at Aloha Stadium to end dismal seasons is de facto bowl game for BYU, Hawaii

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  • motorbike Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Nov. 21, 2017 7:05 p.m.

    Christy B

    "Unfortunately, a rash of injuries, and a couple of unexpected departures, decimated the team that BYU fans expected BYU to field."
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    It is indeed unfortunate. And that's exactly what Utah fans have been trying to get BYU fans to understand... that strength of schedule isn't just a convenient excuse, it's a huge challenge keeping a team healthy and having the depth required to survive a P5 schedule. BYU played a partial P5 schedule and how'd that go? Do you think they perhaps pick up a few more wins against the soft part of their schedule (VERY soft) if they played LSU, Wisconsin and Mississippi State at the end of the year versus the front end?
    BYU fans would like to think their team is stronger than the mid to low end teams in P5 conferences yet they haven't had any idea what it's like to play the schedule Iowa State plays, Oregon State plays, Minnesota plays, etc. The truth is that those teams when fully healthy would likely beat fully healthy BYU 8 out of 10 times.
    2017=BYU reality check #1
    2018=BYU reality check #2

  • Swoop Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 21, 2017 10:29 a.m.

    2b

    "Utah don't make excuses about it no matter how many guys out due to injury, lost to the NFL, etc. Don't matter it's next guy up go out and compete no matter what."

    Seriously, you're just going to accept whatever happens regardless of the results.

  • Marked it Down Park City, UT
    Nov. 21, 2017 10:26 a.m.

    2B

    What's Utah's excuse

    for losing 6 of their last 7

    and

    for being on the brink of their third losing, bowl less season in the last six seasons?

    Choose all the apply
    1. Inexperience
    2. Poor coaching
    3. No talent
    4. Injuries
    5. Incompetence

  • london_josh lincoln, CA
    Nov. 21, 2017 10:23 a.m.

    There are a lot of cool Ute fans, Spokane for example is generally on topic and pretty fair on his remarks - and then there are the trolls like 2BCSwins.

    BYU's injuries didn't primarily come against high school teams, if you actually follow football rather than trolling anything and everything BYU you'll notice that the start of the season was a pretty tough schedule, and the majority of the injuries happened then.

    BYU is down, very down, and Utah has a mediocre at best outcome as well.

    Utah was 6 points better than BYU, Boise State, Utah State, East Carolina, Fresno, and UMass are equal or bigger winners than Utah.

    Both teams are finding a new style and path forward - both should improve, both needed a better offense to move forward.

    Best of luck to both teams, despite current results.

  • Pugman Tremonton, UT
    Nov. 21, 2017 10:11 a.m.

    @mightymite

    You want a rumor, here's one. Tuttle's not coming to the U. Mark it down. And that's not a rumor. Just giving ya a heads up.

  • Pugman Tremonton, UT
    Nov. 21, 2017 10:08 a.m.

    @ekute
    You guys have been hoping for seven straight years. I know, I know, you lost 10,543 players to the NFL and this year is not as good of year, but you'll still lose about 753 to the NFL. Then we have the SOS, and the fact Hundley was hurt, and coach Whit isn't very smart, and we should of beat USC and Washington...and the beat goes on.

  • 2BCSWINS West of I15, UT
    Nov. 21, 2017 7:06 a.m.

    @Blue Husky/Marked it down/Christy B/Rockwell.........

    Comments about injury excuses is so funny literally LOL reading each of your posts. You honestly think other teams don't deal with injuries? You're absolutely clueless injuries have played havoc on Utah this season.

    Only difference Utah don't make excuses about it no matter how many guys out due to injury, lost to the NFL, etc. Don't matter it's next guy up go out and compete no matter what.

    Injury excuses when playing highschool team schedule all of October and November LOL! Try dealing with guys out due to injury while playing PAC 12 schedule.

  • toosmartforyou Kaysville, UT
    Nov. 20, 2017 11:26 p.m.

    After reading all the smack from ute partisans mocking the BYU-UH game, all I can say is Go Buffs! (Don't make yourself give up 5th in the PAC 12 South just because that's utah's traditional finish; let them be 6th this year.)

  • Spokane Ute Spokane, WA
    Nov. 20, 2017 9:09 p.m.

    All things considered it's actually nice to finish at such a warm weather venue with evenly matched teams. To consider this comparable to a bowl game is just silly though. To see my friend Kalarney busting on Utah fans, for doing the same thing he's doing, is quite comical though. All the while he's on the Utah threads taking shots. Whatever. Consider the source

    Finish strong Cougs; and regroup for next year. A tough season any way you cut it. It happens. Good Luck on the Island.

  • WACPaddingOurSchedule pocatello, ID
    Nov. 20, 2017 7:19 p.m.

    top of the world - ,
    Nov. 20, 2017 9:23 a.m.

    .....Back to football. At this time I don't feel the Y will ever catch the U unless we are invited to a major conference. If that happens, we shall leave them far behind. Again, my opinion.

    _____

    How is joining a conference going to improve BYU recruiting? All the same hurdles remain in place.
    Not going to happen.

  • MileHighGuy Melbourne, FL
    Nov. 20, 2017 6:20 p.m.

    Yes, this "bowl game" can be coined the Toilet Bowl, Ineptitude Bowl, Turkey Bowl, etc. But the good news is that it is guaranteed to live up to all the hype. Two very evenly matched teams, a great venue, and attractive cheerleaders are all on the line. It should be like a train wreck - I don't want to watch, but I probably can't resist and will peek at it anyway.

  • killarney Lincoln Park, IL
    Nov. 20, 2017 4:03 p.m.

    @mightymite - "Based on rumors abound it is a very real possibility that ESPN does not renew the TV contract. With that money gone and a dismal recruiting class the future is looking very bleak. The very future of the program is in balance here."

    The ONLY such rumors are from BYU-hating Utah fans who desperately fantasize about the demise of BYU athletics.

  • strom thurmond taylorsville, UT
    Nov. 20, 2017 3:24 p.m.

    I guess its also a defacto Super Bowl, Spaghetti Bowl, Crossing of the Red Sea, visit to Disney Land or whatever else anyone wants to ascribe to it.

  • mightymite , 00
    Nov. 20, 2017 3:23 p.m.

    Based on rumors abound it is a very real possibility that espn does not renew the TV contract. With that money gone and a dismal recruiting class the future is looking very bleak. The very future of the program is in balance here.

  • ND95CA Lincoln Park, IL
    Nov. 20, 2017 3:13 p.m.

    LivinLarge

    "...on the other hand, BYU doesn't have to suffer the indignity of yet another Las Vegas Bowl."

    Since when is playing in the Las Vegas Bowl an "indignity"?

  • Christy B Salt Lake City, Utah
    Nov. 20, 2017 3:14 p.m.

    motorbike

    "There was a lot of chatter at the beginning of this year about BYU getting to 10 wins."

    For good reason.

    BYU was 9-4 in 2016, only 8 points shy of an undefeated season.

    With a similar schedule and much of the same team returning, expecting a 10-win season was not at all unreasonable.

    Unfortunately, a rash of injuries, and a couple of unexpected departures, decimated the team that BYU fans expected BYU to field.

  • motorbike Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Nov. 20, 2017 2:32 p.m.

    There was a lot of chatter at the beginning of this year about BYU getting to 10 wins. Who'd have thought we'd be talking about the possibility of 10 losses?

  • LivinLarge Bountiful, UT
    Nov. 20, 2017 2:15 p.m.

    ...on the other hand, BYU doesn't have to suffer the indignity of yet another Las Vegas Bowl.

  • DeepBlue Anaheim, CA
    Nov. 20, 2017 1:29 p.m.

    CougFaninTX

    "Still don't understand why so many comments are a comparison of the Cougs and Utes."

    You must be new to the rivalry.

    The BYU-Utah comparison banter has been going on for decades.

  • CougFaninTX Spring, TX
    Nov. 20, 2017 12:49 p.m.

    Still don't understand why so many comments are a comparison of the Cougs and Utes. The Utes won this year, like they've done too many times the past decade, end of comparison. Still don't like the Utes, and probably never will,

    I've only been disappointed 2X as a fan of BYU - Crowton's 2nd year and Sitake's 2nd year. I'm hopeful that Sitake's 3rd year won't be like Crowton's 3rd year.

    I still believe Sitake is the right person for the job, but big changes need to be made in the off season to ensure we don't have another losing season. I believe we were more talented than at least 4 of the teams we lost to this year, which means we need to addresses coaching, effort, execution.

  • BYU_Husker Strasburg, CO
    Nov. 20, 2017 11:43 a.m.

    As someone who lived on Oahu for 4 years (Laie, Kaneohe, and Manoa), this should be a fun game, and will undoubtedly be the best attended UH game of the year. The older UH fans remember BYU well from the old days when both teams were pretty solid, and there are a lot of BYU fans on the islands, plenty of recruits from Hawaii, along with plenty of other connections between the two schools. Heck, there were handful of BYU transfers on the UH team in just our ward in Manoa!

    I expect a good turnout for both fan-bases, and both teams should have plenty of local pride to play for, despite both having poor seasons. Should be fun to watch.

  • Chamberlain Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 20, 2017 11:11 a.m.

    65TossPowerTrap

    "Stop with the bowl game nonsense."

    Lighten up Francis (see "Stripes").

    Fans are only kidding about Hawaii being BYU's bowl game.

    A season like this demands a little humor.

  • Woodworker Highland, UT
    Nov. 20, 2017 11:10 a.m.

    A shout out to all those who commented without complaining, accusing, judging, and incivility.

    Paraphrasing what a Utah church leader said recently:
    " Once there were 3 sisters. One was mad, one was sad, and one was glad."

    I believe the Utes have a gem in Coach Whittingham. Don't judge him by wins/losses.
    I believe the Cougars have a gem in Coach Sitake. Don't judge him by wins/losses this year.

    Happy Thanksgiving to everyone! Go Cougs! Utes, I hope you get to a bowl game.

  • 65TossPowerTrap Salmon, ID
    Nov. 20, 2017 10:18 a.m.

    Stop with the bowl game nonsense. This is the last game in a very forgettable year - nothing more.

  • 65TossPowerTrap Salmon, ID
    Nov. 20, 2017 9:58 a.m.

    Run the ball - run the ball - run the ball. Did I mention run the ball? Oh, one other thing - don't call timeout with 22 seconds left in the game.

  • Marked it Down Park City, UT
    Nov. 20, 2017 9:46 a.m.

    at long last. . .

    "The censors evidently won't allow my response, so I will simply say, do you know the definition of 'de facto'? You might also think about the meaning of 'tongue in cheek'..."

    You obviously don't grasp the meaning of "tongue in cheek", because ALL of the comments made by BYU fans about the BYU-Hawaii game being BYU's "bowl game", were said with tongue firmly planted in cheek.

    As far as the D-News headline, you obviously don't understand that headlines are written purely to attract readers - they're meaningless as far as providing actual "proof" of anything.

  • ekute Layton, UT
    Nov. 20, 2017 9:44 a.m.

    I knew that the only answer to my comment would be to attack the Utes.

    Funny how there's no rebuttals to my thought on byu. They either agree or they have no hope.

  • Marked it Down Park City, UT
    Nov. 20, 2017 9:35 a.m.

    ekute

    BYU has a new coaching staff and a young team that has suffered a plethora of injuries (38 players have missed games because of injuries).

    All of those injured players have given dozens of younger players valuable opportunities to gain live game playing experience that will pay big dividends next season.

  • top of the world ,
    Nov. 20, 2017 9:23 a.m.

    I don't have much of a problem as I read comments that deal with 'our team is better than your team, because'. Then I read what the 'because' is and it feel like laughing. This year the Utes are much better than my Cougars. Much better. It was only a six point win for the team up north, but we were taken to the wood shed. Regarding a desirable situation for a college team, the PAC is light years beyond Independence. The Y is being out-recruited by the U, not because the U is a better university, but because they belong to the PAC. As far as a total package is concerned, I feel the Y is superior in nearly every category of university life. That comment might well open the door for one of the few Y-haters to state that one of the reasons he/she hates the Y is we feel we're better than others. Not the case...I'm not better, the Y, as a great place to gain an education, is. My opinion based upon experiences I've had while living in SLC and attending both the Y and the U.

    Back to football. At this time I don't feel the Y will ever catch the U unless we are invited to a major conference. If that happens, we shall leave them far behind. Again, my opinion.

  • at long last. . . Kirksville , MO
    Nov. 20, 2017 9:20 a.m.

    Rockwell - The censors evidently won't allow my response, so I will simply say, do you know the definition of 'de facto'? You might also think about the meaning of 'tongue in cheek' when considering my post. Some things you can take literally, while other things are to be taken figuratively. Try hard to distinguish the difference when reading comments.

  • ekute Layton, UT
    Nov. 20, 2017 9:13 a.m.

    Snack PAC,
    "Say what you want about Utah as you seek comfort."

    I've stated my reasons for hope...where you gonna hang your hat?

  • cougarsrock Springville, UT
    Nov. 20, 2017 8:42 a.m.

    its simply a no brainer to want to spend a week in Fabulous Hawaii rather than go to some "who Cares" low tier bowl game such as the Moroni Turkey Bowl .... Neither The Y nor last chance university deserves to be in any bowl game this year. It will be great for the Cougs to get this week over with and have the extra time to try and get this program straighten out for next year ...

  • Snack PAC Olympus Cove, Utah
    Nov. 20, 2017 8:40 a.m.

    ekute

    Nothing but a bunch of whiny excuses.

    The Utes have lost 6 of their last 7, yet here you are seeking comfort for another losing season in the PAC 12, by ragging on BYU for suffering their first losing season since 2004.

    Why don't you just admit that the Utes will never be anything more than a bottom dwelling also ran in the PAC 12?

  • ekute Layton, UT
    Nov. 20, 2017 8:26 a.m.

    Rockwell,
    "Say what you want about Utah as you seek comfort.
    Fact-We lost a lot of leaders and good players to the NFL last summer.
    Fact-Utah has recruited well and continues to do so."

  • Tbug1 AF, UT
    Nov. 20, 2017 8:17 a.m.

    If you ever wanted proof that God is merciful, then end of this BYU Football season is all the proof that you need.

  • Rockwell Baltimore, MD
    Nov. 20, 2017 8:12 a.m.

    BlueHusky

    "BYU was good last year. This year 38 injuries killed the team But they have good young athletes. The coaches are not stupid. Just a very strange year."

    Couldn't agree more.

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    ekute

    Fact: Utah has lost 6 of their last 7 and is in danger of suffering their third losing season in 6 years.

    @at long last. . . - "Does this mean, DN, that the string of bowl games is intact?"

    You're really clueless if you actually think that the DN or BYU fans are really considering the BYU-Hawaii game a bowl game.

  • Esquire Springville, UT
    Nov. 20, 2017 7:58 a.m.

    @ Al the Accountant , the one intangible is that Hawaii gets revved up when it's BYU, so I see a lop-sided win for Hawaii. BYU just has no heart. It is indeed dismal.

  • Al the Accountant Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 20, 2017 7:51 a.m.

    Hey Baby,

    Not that it really matters, as both teams are horrible and it really doesn't matter who wins this game, but if we are going to do comparables, there are 5 teams that they each played:

    Hawaii 38 UMass 35 vs Umass 16 BYU 10; Clear Advantage Hawaii
    Hawaii 37 SJSU 26 vs BYU 41 SJSU 20; Slight Advantage BYU
    Hawaii 23 UNLV 31 vs BYU 31 UNLV 21; Clear Advantage BYU
    Hawaii 21 Fresno 31 vs BYU 13 Fresno 20; About a wash
    Hawaii 0 USU 38 vs BYU 24 USU 40; Both horrible, but slight advantage BYU
    Record in games vs common opponents: 2-3 for both teams; wash

    So, if you take all directly comparable games and use that as your starting place for predicting a winner, you would have to at least give the slight edge to BYU. My prediction: 13-10 BYU. Again, not that it matters. Because they both are horrible and this is just the Ineptitude Bowl.

  • ekute Layton, UT
    Nov. 20, 2017 7:49 a.m.

    Put Lamb in charge and let him decide who stays and who goes.
    Stop with the arrogance.
    Fill the schedule with home/at home games vs other mid -majors.

    Say what you want about Utah as you seek comfort.
    Fact-We lost a lot of leaders and good players to the NFL last summer.
    Fact-Utah has recruited well and continues to do so.

    Go Utes!

  • BlueHusky Mission Viejo, CA
    Nov. 20, 2017 7:45 a.m.

    BYU was good last year. This year 38 injuries killed the team But they have good young athletes. The coaches are not stupid. Just a very strange year.

    No firing coaches, no hanging Holmo in effigy. If next year is like this, then time to clean house, maybe,

    Coach Peterson at Washington had a couple of poor years, then BANG! in the Championship Game against Alabama.

    Chill, people. I''d be more frustrated if I were a Utah fan - an already established program limps from one mediocre season to the next, firing OC's every year. Not a healthy sight. Loved their effort against my Dawgs, but ... College Football is a very difficult profession. Let's see what Kilani can do next year? A repeat of this? Adios, with love.

  • blue & white Boise, ID
    Nov. 20, 2017 7:33 a.m.

    If and buts were candy and nuts our Christmas would be merrier. Have fun in Hawaii and come home with a win. Hopefully they keep Wilstead on redshirt and only use Critchlow, Kefinzes (sp), & Detmer. Save Wilstead for next year. If they play him what a mistake of robbing the future of Wilstead by loosing a full year of eligibility .

  • imsmarterthanyou Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 20, 2017 7:24 a.m.

    A duck by any other name.... So you can call this a bowl game if you want, but a bowl game it is not. I don't really understand what a bowl game is, but I know it is for teams with "winning" records and that is something BYU does not have. Perhaps in a year or two they can win few games and make it to a bowl game. Not happening this year.

  • Henry Drummond San Jose, CA
    Nov. 20, 2017 7:22 a.m.

    @Rimsky Demarius

    Even though I'm a dreaded Utah fan, I agree with your sentiments. I would hate to see any team simply throw in the towel because its been a bad season. My guess is that Joe Critchlow can do a better job of guiding the offense now that he has a couple of complete games under his belt. BYU is favored by 3 points in this game. My guess is that they can win by more than that and honestly hope that they do.

  • at long last. . . Kirksville , MO
    Nov. 20, 2017 6:49 a.m.

    Does this mean, DN, that the string of bowl games is intact? LOL

  • 7 in a row! Ogden, UT
    Nov. 20, 2017 6:42 a.m.

    Do the cougars have a winning record with their bowl games?

    Maybe not a good idea to treat this as their bowl game.

  • CougarForever Holladay, Utah
    Nov. 20, 2017 12:43 a.m.

    A "bowl-equivalent" end-of-the-season game in Hawaii honestly may be more than the team merits but I wish them well against an almost equally pathetic Hawaii team. One of the few positive things the BYU sports bureaucrats did was schedule an away game with Hawaii for this season because it allowed us to play 13 games -- meaning we were able to add Portland State at the front end of the schedule and get one win that we otherwise would not have had. If this had not been done then we would be 2-9 right now (BTW, Portland State finished their season winless).

    Doing the transitive property thing, in view of our performance against USU (a game we had a chance to win if we hadn't been so uber generous with the turnovers) compared to theirs I would predict we beat Hawaii. But nothing is a given this year.

  • cjd1 Draper, UT
    Nov. 19, 2017 11:26 p.m.

    Holmoe's last season as Head Coach at Cal ended at 1-10. Holmoe then left. He needs to do the same thing now.

  • Deanvrtc Vancouver, WA
    Nov. 19, 2017 11:19 p.m.

    Worst team and coaching in all the years I have watched BYU football...and thats about 40 years. No energy. No drive. Coaches looking like they quit themselves weeks ago and have no clue what to do. No sign of Holme...he is hiding because this tragedy group of coaches is his doing. I hope they clean house and start over...in any normal program that’s what would happen. We at BYU may have to suffer through several years of this ....because that’s how kind we are to opposing teams.
    Well...until I see some effort...I’m done writing checks. I can support a team/organization that shows effort, but I can’t support this level of incompetence. How we can fall so fast from being a competative team...., to this....is stunning. No..it’s very ...very ...embarrassing for BYU and the church as a sponsoring organization. We can and should do much better. This is certainly not excellence. We are now officially...a joke of a program. Thanks Holmoe.

  • midpacmajor Salt Lake City, Utah
    Nov. 19, 2017 11:08 p.m.

    SIMPLICITY

    Utah-SLC hasn't even qualified for a bowl game, yet, so U may want to tone down the bowl game smack until we see how U do in the pillow fight.

  • SIMPLICITY Denver, CO
    Nov. 19, 2017 8:17 p.m.

    And this is a bowl game to be celebrated for byu-p!!!

    Enjoy the sun, beaches, people and views.

  • Hey Baby Franklin, IN
    Nov. 19, 2017 7:41 p.m.

    Hawaii beat UMass by 4...in Lowell

  • UoU 1991 Park City, UT
    Nov. 19, 2017 7:39 p.m.

    Two 3-win teams meeting in a season-ending bowl game.

    At least the weather should be nice.

  • Rimsky Demarius Riverton, UT
    Nov. 19, 2017 7:22 p.m.

    One more win would mean that you have tried to the end of the season without quitting. Go Cougs!
    --Always a BYU Cougar Fan