I think the reality is that Mangum is a mediocre QB. The Swag of his first
season when he rescued BYU from disaster after Hill went down at Nebraska, seems
to have been dissolved over time. Even that good year, Mangum was snowed under
by full team blitzes in the final Utah game. To come back and and make it close
was great but the pressure fumbles and turnovers the Utes launched would have
been highly likely under a poised QB.We don't know who will be
starting QB next year. But Chrichlow has poise. And poise is crucial at QB.
An effort to make stats more readable.SJSU Game
COMP ATT PCT YDS TD INT QBRMangum 18 34 52.9%
283 3 1 146.1Critchlow 3 4 75.0% 49 0
0 177.9UNLV game: COMP ATT
PCT YDS TD INT QBRCritchlow 14 22 63.6% 160
1 0 139.7Critchlow's Total 2017 Season Stats:Year G Att Com Pct. Yards
TD Int QBR2017 4 33 20
60.6% 219 1 0 126.35Mangum's Total
Stats:Year G COM ATT PCT YRDS TD
INT QBR2015 13 267 446 59.9% 3377
23 10 136.02016 4 22 33
66.7% 241 3 1 152.02017 8
147 257 57.2% 1540 8 9 110.8Mangum had a rough year but he is battle proven... He'd be who I go with
in 2018 if I were Detmer and Sataki. Joe would be a good back up in 2018 with a
potential for starting in 2019 and 2020.
It was a revelation the first time I saw Critchlow played. He threw only a few
passes, didn't complete them all. The game suddenly ended. I was struck
with amazement with his short performance. Joe read the defense instantaneously.
He knew right away where to throw the football. And most impressively is how
quick he releases the football. He can really throw the football fast and far.
His ball placement is excellent. Joe stood tall and with confidence fire the
football straight right at his receivers. I first thought of Ty Detmer when he
was QB for the Cougars, but then I thought this guy is bigger, stronger, taller,
and faster. I was hoping and praying that they would let Joe play against
Mississippi State. I think it would be very interesting. The key player to
all BYU teams is their QB, Mangum seems to hold on to the football forever, by
the time he throws everyone in the stadium knew where the football was going.
Hoge is very talented, but he doesn't stay in the pocket. It's very
hard for the line to protect him. With Critchlow, the opposition's defense
doesn't know how to react to that. He threw the ball like 1 to 2 seconds
average. He made everyone plays better and harder.
Even two years ago when Mangum took over from Taysom, I could not help but
compare what I was seeing with him versus what I saw with earlier quarterbacks,
from Gifford Nielsen on through Steve Sarkesian. A for Brandon Doman, their
playing styles were so different that a comparison was difficult, other than
that I felt their accuracy was about the same. However Doman made up for his
throwing deficiencies with his feet. Two years ago and this year,
Mangum hitting a receiver in stride is a rarity. Most often the receiver has to
turn around, come back to the ball, jump for it, or dive for it. Mention was
already made here of the frequency of the "one-hoppers." When I think
back on previous quarterbacks and how their receivers caught the ball in stride
and gained nice yardage after the catch because of their forward momentum, I
have missed that with Mangum. I have faith in the coaching staff. I
think they will give the candidates a fair chance next season. We still have
spring practice and fall camp to go. I would not be surprise, though, to see
Mangum assigned to the third string next year. Both Hoge and Chritchlow have
plenty of progress ahead, and Mangum may have topped out.
@cjd1 "Oh boy. And now the hype begins!And yet the obsession
from ute fans remains sure and constant. I thought you guys moved on. But we all knows that can't happen for a fan base whose biggest
bragging rights is a string of ultra-narrow wins over the team they pretend is
no longer relevant.And the subject of QB is especially sore since
the utes haven't had a really good one since maybe 2008 (actually 04).So Joe got a little good press. Good for him. He may be very good. Hey
may be average. He has a long way to go.
@jelloCredibility increases when one knows what he is reporting
(i.e. QBR)... It also helps to report facts accurately.... Critchlow is yet to
prove himself... Mangum already has.In the SJS game the facts are as
follows:PASSINGCOMPATTPCTYDS TD INTQBRMangum 18 34
52.9 283 31146.1Critchlow 3 4 75.0 49
00177.9Mangum played all but a couple of series. In
"garbage time" against a bad team. Mangum threw 34 times for 283 yards
and 3 TDs and had a QB Rating of 146.1 and Critchlow threw 4 times for 49
yards.UNLV game:PASSINGCOMPATTPCTYDSTDINT QBRCritchlow 1422 63.6160 1 0 139.7Total season:
G Att Com Pct. YardsYards/AttTDInt QBRAll
Games4 3320 60.6219 6.6 1 0126.35Mangum's
stats GPCOMPATTPCT YRDS YDS/ATT TD
INTQBR2015 1326744659.9% 3377 7.6 23 10 136.020164 22 33 66.7% 241 7.3 31 152.02017814725757.2%1540 6.089 110.8
Look, it's one game of competency against a so-so opponent. Calling it
anything but "encouraging" is silly. But, Critchlow did seem comfortable
and calm in the pocket, and his throws were generally strong and on target.
That's a huge step up from Hoge, who has a strong arm and good athleticism
but sometimes seems like he's never played the position. Mangum always
seems terrified to me. I don't dislike the guy. He's probably a good
dude and a swell home teacher, but he's not the type to inspire confidence
in those around him.If I were a betting man, I'd say
Critchlow's the guy we'll be watching for the next 3+ years. Will he
be "great"? Who knows? Heck; I'd settle for "good."
Observing that a player performed fairly well in his first start as a freshman
isn't hype. It's just a reflection on how well he did. That's
kind of hard to swallow for a BYU QB isn't it?I guess ute fans
mostly thought Alabama wasn't all that hot the year they beat them in the
BCS game (?), too, if they were going to be congruous with denigrating any
victory by saying the opposition wasn't any good (like Michigan in 1984,
right?). Instead, that was the greatest game in football history, according to
them. And many of us cheered for the u; even though now it seems they
didn't deserve it.Pile on uties; it makes for entertaining
reading...I love fantasy.
@BleedingBlue - Provo, UTNov. 15, 2017 11:42 p.m."Could be
a real horse race for the QB next year. Unfortunately, I don’t see the
coaching staff realizing this and we go through this whole nightmare again in
2018. Only time will tell."2016 was not a nightmare. We played
the best QB and had a great season. We would all kill for that same season this
year. Next year will not be a nightmare either, and it will not be a horse race
at all. If Critchlow plays as well or better than he did last week, he will be
the man. His passer rating in SJSU as well as UNLV 178 and 140. Mangum's
best game this year was 75 with a 33.5 average this year and a 70.7 average 2
years ago. Mangum has not ever had a single game where his passer rating was
within 40 points of Critchlow.Why is this even a discussion.
I am happy for the win and happy for Joe. It would be wonderful if this carries
over to next year. I don't make to much of it because this was his first
game. From what I saw he was able to control the ball better than others had
earlier in the season. Good luck Joe and I hope for health to return to the
other two QB s as well. Keep up the good work Joe and have a great time. Go Cougars
cjd1"Oh boy. And now the hype begins!"It's
laughable how a fan base that has hyped Huntley all season long,gets
so jealous every time a BYU QB gets a little positive press.
There is absolutely nothing to hype. BYU has done nothing yet. However, the
offensive rhythm seemed a bit better with Critchlow. But I also saw that rhythm
begin to develop with Hodge early in the Utah State game, before he had to leave
the game on injury. Soo... None of this means anything. As for Mangum,
hmmm... that was pretty interesting.. not much there. I saw a hesitant,
mostly inaccurate quarterback.Aaaa... for what it's worth.
I didn't see any one hop passes like Mangum has been throwing all season.
That gives the receivers a better shot at catching the pass when the ball
hasn't hit the ground first (Maddenism). Receivers caught the ball better
from Critchlow. I think there maybe something to this. I don't know why,
but it's obvious.
The team did seem different with Critchlow as QB, my surprised reaction,
"now there is the BYU team I expected to see at the start of the
season." Next 2 contests will show if he is the real deal, more than just
potential, a real gamer. QB must lead the team. It's so much more than
mechanics, its heart and confidence translating into making plays.
UNLV is basically an above average high school team. So yeah, he looked okay
against some really poor competition.
When Critchlow played, he directed and lead the team, they responded. He
appeared to have that intangible leadership ability. It was like the Heaps vs
Nelson experience, one had all of the accolades but could not lead, the other
had the ability and was able to lead the offense. Same here, (Magnum/Detmer,
some what Hoge-more injury than leadership) vs Critchlow. But it was only one
game. He now has two more opportunities to cement his position in the team.
Could be a real horse race for the QB next year. Unfortunately, I don’t
see the coaching staff realizing this and we go through this whole nightmare
again in 2018. Only time will tell.
It was just UNLV but there did appear to be a positive change to the team that
came with Critchlow. Maybe it's nothing or maybe it's something but it
seemed as though Critchlow's teammates played harder with him leading the
Oh boy. And now the hype begins!
Thanks Brad for steering him our way and also thanks for not being sore at BYU
because Doman and Bronco couldn't see past their mancrush on their favorite
QB to notice they had a future NFL draft pick in the depth chart at QB.