3 religious issues to watch during the tax reform debate

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  • Countless _ Unnamed Arlington, SD
    Nov. 23, 2017 1:01 p.m.

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    REMEMBER THAT Obama supporters were never really interested in Change.

    They were invested financially in stealing and taking more money from You ( The hard Working, Responsible American tax payer. To fund their seXual adventures and pleasures.

    What if a species realized, that there is not an Under Population problem. And that the world is not needing a quantity of people but the world needs a quality people. ? People who save their money for their children, leaving them property, land, tools and plans. What if the species teach their children in kind to do the same for their children. ?

    Then You end up with more inheritances passed down and responsible families. Instead of an orgy, Bump and Go fatherless and abandoned, misbegotten children who are taught to device and scheme and plan ways to rip off the responsible. An orgy society, pumping out billions of babies and using the babies as a welfare money-collecting project for 18 years.\

  • RanchHand Huntsville, UT
    Nov. 14, 2017 1:55 p.m.

    @rexwhitmer;

    One person's sin is another person's righteousness. Just look at Roy Moore for an example.

  • rexwhitmer ELFRIDA, AZ
    Nov. 13, 2017 9:51 p.m.

    First, in reference to other comments made above, If John the Baptist can call out a queen, then a church leader should be able to voice opinions on subjects such as abortion and other things that are sinful by his or her religion. If a President attempts to limit church worship in some manner, or to limit it's ability to speak freely on matters that are pervasive and sinful. Likewise funds used to upkeep a chapel or other church edifice for either worship or charity should also be tax free. Funds donated by church members should be as equal as are business donations to charity. It will be interesting to see if funds donated for political purposes or members can be tax exempt at well.

  • byugraduate Las Vegas, NV
    Nov. 13, 2017 10:22 a.m.

    Churches need to stay out of politics since they don't pay any taxes.

  • Ralph Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 13, 2017 9:18 a.m.

    The best part about this Republican Tax Plan is the substantial tax break it gives golf course owners. Seriously. There are lots of golf course owners in Red State America. This tax plan is going to help those who voted for Trump. Or it will help Trump himself. At least Hillary isn't President.

  • Thomas Jefferson Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Nov. 13, 2017 8:33 a.m.

    This tax bill is wrong on every level. It is a giant giveaway to billionaires. It is just more trickle down which has never worked.

    But when you elect clowns you get a circus.

  • search diligently Lehi, UT
    Nov. 13, 2017 7:40 a.m.

    Not good for Utahns. The proposed tax bills hurt Utahns and hurt families and hurt charities. They give on one hand and take away on the other.

    They give a higher standard deduction but strip away personal exemptions, making it appear they are giving more than they are. Deceptive

    Big families will be hurt under these proposals unless all of the children are young and eligible for child tax credits. Not good.

    And they will reduce charitable contributions by people. Utahns are more apt to give generously than the public at large. While the LDS church will not probably be hurt too much by this because the commitment of members will exceed the "write-off" benefits, it will hurt most charities big-time.

    The proposal helps the rich The rich will have enough to exceed the standard deduction and still benefit from mortgages and charitable donations. Fewer incentives to own a home so the rich will own all real estate by and by. They will also be able to write off hefty investment fees while middle class have less of these types of deductions.

    Restore the personal exemptions rather than increasing the standard deduction. This helps large families and Utahns best.

  • JSB Sugar City, ID
    Nov. 12, 2017 7:50 p.m.

    @ Millenial Snow. I think the church has been very careful about avoiding supporting a particular candidate or party. I've never experienced it except maybe in a class where someone inappropriately promoted a candidate. But it's good to be reminded that church is not the setting for political discussion.

  • Eugene Patrick Devany Massapequa Park, NY
    Nov. 12, 2017 3:37 p.m.

    There is nothing to gained by prohibiting nonprofits from adding their voice to the political process. In fact, there is much to be gained by expecting nonprofits to put up or shut up. I want to know if this or that nonprofit has a position on abortion, affirmative action, gun control, tax reform, etc. so I can narrow the list of charities I will give to. If the church take no position, or the wrong position, I want to know.

  • Just want to know...... Northern Utah, UT
    Nov. 12, 2017 3:08 p.m.

    In the early 1970's, Pres. Carter cut every department in the Federal government by 10% across the board. Why can't that be done again? States do this every now and then. There is some kind of a Federal hiring freeze on right now, but let's cut some of every department's fluff!

  • Shaun Sandy, UT
    Nov. 12, 2017 1:29 p.m.

    @kreese.

    It goes without saying then that tax cuts plus no reduction in spending is what causes an economy to expand because both are a stimulus.

    Let's see how much the economy would improve with only a 600 billion a year spending cut. Republicans are smarter than this and never would try it.

    Also the republicans version of a tax cut would be no different than if democrats decided to give every person 3k. Of course the real difference is republicans would cry that it is a government give away that would add to the deficit even though both are deficit spending.

    I have to say republicans are just better politicians than democrats at selling.

  • kreese Ivins, UT
    Nov. 12, 2017 12:29 p.m.

    @Marxist

    They declined because of a good economy brought on by Reagan's policies and a Newt Gingrich led House of Representatives.

    You might remember the welfare reform bill that was presented to Clinton three times before he signed it. Then he bragged about what a success "his" welfare plan was.

  • Impartial7 DRAPER, UT
    Nov. 12, 2017 12:00 p.m.

    Congrats Utah Republicans- you voted against your own self interests. Again.

  • JWB Kaysville, UT
    Nov. 12, 2017 10:49 a.m.

    This President has moral standards and decency? Access Hollywood damaged Billy Bush but his cohort, DJT still got supported and elected by his base, including evangelicals.

    Mr Trump isn’t religious and would use any platform or forum to subvert real religious beliefs. He doesn’t have kindness in his heart nor soul as he builds up His kingdom of the House of Lords at the expense of the Commoners. His rhetoric is abhorrent as he talks better about Putin than the normal American citizen.

    The Congress will pass through the Senate, House and Conference a tax bill to keep the President from badmouthing them as Losers. He will climb in bed with the Democrats as he is a fake Republican accepted by Priebus against all Presidential candidates.

    Shame on Hatch and Utahn Congress Representatives for not standing up. Senator Hatch is showing his true Pennsylvanian colors. He has forgotten Utah’s standards and guiding principles, if he ever knew them.

    Senator Bennett forgot his constituents and it appears Senator is going there also. President Trump schmoozes.

  • Frozen Fractals Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 12, 2017 10:31 a.m.

    The bill includes 1.5 trillion in tax cuts mostly benefiting the rich.

    Their budget includes 1.5 trillion in spending cuts to Medicare and Medicaid, affecting the poor, elderly, and disabled.

  • marxist Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 12, 2017 9:13 a.m.

    @kreese "Now if the Democrats complain about the deficit this time, I would remind them that in the past, they've never met a "deficit" they didn't love."

    Flat out false statement. Deficits under Clinton declined spectacularly, in large part because Clinton increased taxes on upper incomes (for which he was never forgiven by them).

  • skeptic Phoenix, AZ
    Nov. 12, 2017 7:55 a.m.

    Mixing religion into politics is a real bad lose lose idea. Organized corporate religion is already so politicalized that it has dulled the spark of spirituality.

  • Third try screen name Mapleton, UT
    Nov. 12, 2017 7:51 a.m.

    If you make a donation because it is a deduction, you're not doing it right.

  • kreese Ivins, UT
    Nov. 12, 2017 7:41 a.m.

    In my lifetime, I've seen three reduction of taxes. In each case, the economy improved. Of course, as they usually do, the government found ways to increase spending, most of it wasteful. Both parties can be blamed, but most of the blame can be attributed to the Democrats.

    Now if the Democrats complain about the deficit this time, I would remind them that in the past, they've never met a "deficit" they didn't love.

    But again, both parties are to blame. This and other issues are why we have Donald Trump as President....it is about change.

  • Egyptian origins Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 12, 2017 7:02 a.m.

    I'm so grateful for an internet technological society which allows the greatest access to information to the greatest number of people in all recorded history. People are thus able to see, hear and read instantly what our leaders are planning and doing to them. Now we just have to figure out a way to stop our corrupt leaders from carrying out their corrupt plans. Exposure doesn't always guarantee prevention.

  • Millenial Snow Sandy, UT
    Nov. 12, 2017 6:23 a.m.

    As a rare Mormon who is also a Democrat, I appreciate that churches can't take political stances.

    Churches can talk about issues, churches can talk about philosophies but when a leader of a religion stands up in church and dictates to the congregation who to vote for I feel like that is an abuse of power. It creates a cultish mentality that everyone in a congregation has to think and behave in the same way, regardless of your personal background or experiences.

    The world is divisive enough without bringing contention into my ward chapel.
    Please keep politics and church separate. It's simply a terrible idea.

  • SMcloud Sandy, UT
    Nov. 12, 2017 6:18 a.m.

    This tax bill stinks.

    I understand cutting spending to reduce the deficit. Sometimes we have to cut programs we like because we are in debt.

    But that isn't what is happening here. We are giving tax cuts to billionaires and sticking the bill with adoptive parents and people who donate to charitable organizations. Many middle class people will see a tax increase - and for what? So billionaires can save a few hundred thousand dollars? So their silver spooned rich kids can inherit huge amounts of wealth they didn't earn? We already have one of the lowest personal tax rates in the first world. I

    This bill was written by the rich for the rich.

  • LOU Montana Pueblo, CO
    Nov. 12, 2017 12:53 a.m.

    Winners; Republican donor, Republican Senators, Republican Congressmen, Republican "President"!

    Losers: Republican Voters who thought they were voting in a messiah.

    Deservers: those who tried to oust Trump by voting for Hillary.

    Whiners: Trump supporters who lose their free stuff.

    {America's wealthiest president is giving tax relief to America's wealthiest people and greatly reducing the corporate tax rate, by greatly reducing essential social and economic programs that help the middle and low classes.}

  • vern001 Castle Rock, CO
    Nov. 11, 2017 10:19 p.m.

    There are so many things that should concern people of faith in this tax bill. For example, taking away people's ability to deduct medical expenses of over 10% of their income. This would affect people suffering from very serious medical conditions, the elderly, and families with children with disabilities. Not allowing individuals to deduct losses accrued during natural disasters, like fires, hurricanes, and earthquakes, seems very cruel. There are many other deductions that helped the middle class and the poor which are being eliminated. But there will be major tax breaks for the very wealthy and for businesses. This seems to be in complete opposition to Christ's teachings, which condemned weath and encouraged people to care for the widow and the orphan.