BYU's QB situation 'an open competition' between Hoge, Critchlow, Wilstead

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  • Not another naysayer Lehi, UT
    Nov. 8, 2017 10:39 a.m.

    You naysayers, mostly Ute fans, are disgusting. Come on, you just look bad to kick a dog that's down. Back off. Your season hasn't been the best itself.

    This said, as much as I like Mangum, he was a liability to the team. Yes the team has lots of holes in it but you need a QB that can step up confidently to the line and take command. I have not seen Tanner do this consistently. The anxiety and bewilderment in his face told you he was not the man for this position. He was not quick to see who was open, who was not. So as sad as it is that he was injured, I think the coaching staff may find a player better suited to take over. Hopefully whoever it is will be kept in that position as starter next season.

  • london_josh lincoln, CA
    Nov. 8, 2017 1:39 a.m.

    "Where are those posts of a run at the National Playoff that were so numerous in July and August? That 4-0 start in September that would turn heads nationally? They've turned into a compost pile along with the leaves of November."

    Gordon - you just described the Utes season and fans perfectly.

    You see that, don't you?

    Utah has a ton of fans talking about the playoffs and an NC, meanwhile I don't recall any BYU fan looking at a 4-0 start, I think we all expected 2-2, not 1-3 and certainly not 1-5 but none of us mentioned 4-0.

    Meanwhile, up on the hill, you guys gonna go bowling this year? Fix your own team maybe, you were 6 points better than this train wreck.

  • Old Navy Provo, UT
    Nov. 7, 2017 8:02 p.m.

    This should have happened 4 games ago.

    And why did they shaft Critchlow by burning his redshirt if they weren't going to play him? He should make plans to transfer immediately after the season and petition the NCAA to have that year of eligibility restored.

  • Sparkley Briefs New York, NY
    Nov. 7, 2017 5:18 p.m.

    No need to burn that Wilstead redshirt on a lost season. I'd like to see Detmer get another shot out there too.

  • Wasatch Al South Jordan, UT
    Nov. 7, 2017 4:51 p.m.

    Why not give all three quarterbacks the same number and send them out on the field together. Isn’t that what BYU is famous for?

  • Jello is Good ,
    Nov. 7, 2017 1:19 p.m.

    @bgl - Santa Monica, CA
    Nov. 7, 2017 12:34 p.m.

    "I think that comparing the program to the Titanic is a bit of a stretch. After all, Leo's character was only claiming that HE was king of the world right before the ship sunk. He wasn't saying "We aboard the Titanic are the Kings and Queens of the World."---If he had put it that way--then yeah, you could say BYU football was a bit like the Titanic. I would say that a better metaphor for BYU football would be Charlie Brown (BYU and fans) talking about how he was going to kick that football further than he ever had before and then Lucy (Utah, Utah State, ECU, Fresno and others too numerous to mention), pulling the ball away at the last second and gleefully watching him smash his keister. Except that Charlie Brown is too likable. There is no apt metaphor."

    Wow! your bitterness runs deep, bro. As that Disney Princess just sang, "Let it go."

  • bgl Santa Monica, CA
    Nov. 7, 2017 12:34 p.m.

    I think that comparing the program to the Titanic is a bit of a stretch. After all, Leo's character was only claiming that HE was king of the world right before the ship sunk. He wasn't saying "We aboard the Titanic are the Kings and Queens of the World."---If he had put it that way--then yeah, you could say BYU football was a bit like the Titanic. I would say that a better metaphor for BYU football would be Charlie Brown (BYU and fans) talking about how he was going to kick that football further than he ever had before and then Lucy (Utah, Utah State, ECU, Fresno and others too numerous to mention), pulling the ball away at the last second and gleefully watching him smash his keister. Except that Charlie Brown is too likable. There is no apt metaphor.

  • idablu Idaho Falls, ID
    Nov. 7, 2017 11:32 a.m.

    @JustGordon
    “Where are those posts of a run at the National Playoff that were so numerous in July and August? ”

    As per usual it was just the Ute trolls that were touting that, not the BYU faithful, Mr Strawman.

  • Sanefan Wellsville, UT
    Nov. 7, 2017 11:28 a.m.

    Chris your comment makes no sense at all, especially BYU players transferring to Utah. I mean you have continually stated how far superior and deep the Utes are at every position. Whee would these transfers fit in; or maybe the Utes aren't that talented and deep, after all they only beat BYU by 6 points. Can't have it both ways bro. Secondly, it's pretty obvious you never played a team sport. Real men don't get up and jump ship when there is a bit of adversity. They stay and fight on. So anyone that would abandon their team mates is, well no real comrade.

  • SoonerUte Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 7, 2017 11:20 a.m.

    NotaWazzuCoug - "What has happened to quarterback U? BYU is known as QB-U and can't attract a P-5 level QB."
    They haven't been know as QB-U since the mid 1990's. Today, BYU is known as a place to end your QB career. Any P-5 level talented QB need only look at former Elite 11 Jake Heaps and Tanner Mangum, and ask themselves "do I really want to wash out in Provo?"

    Maybe if Ty Detmer were just the QB coach, they could draw the next good candidate, but his pro-style offense depends on everybody in the offense "getting" the system. A great QB can't make up for the other 10 players.

  • Jello is Good ,
    Nov. 7, 2017 11:17 a.m.

    @blue & white - Boise, ID
    Nov. 7, 2017 9:26 a.m.

    "Tanner QB rating 2015: 136. For 2017 :111 and hurt all but 2 games/ 8 games and limited mobility. A healthy Tanner in 2016 best Wyoming, co mtn west champs. QB rating for 2016: 150, small sample. A healthy Tanner would have done better this year with more wins. "

    Stop with this. He has not been good, injured or not. Both of Hill's full seasons when he was also not healthy his QBR was 10 points higher AND he ran the ball.

    A small sample size from the past:
    Heaps - 116
    Nelson - 119
    Hall 150
    Beck 141
    Doman 152
    Fetterik 139
    Sarkisian 162
    Walsh 148
    Detmer 163
    Covey 130
    Jensen 119
    Lindsley 130
    Bosco 149
    Young 150
    McMahon 157
    Wilson 137
    Neilson 145
    Scheide 139

    Going back to 1972 Mangum has the worst QBR of any starting QB for any significant time. I feel bad for the injury, but Mangum has not been good. Jake Heaps, Lindsly and some guy named Jensen had better QBR's. Time to move on.

  • JustGordon Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 7, 2017 11:12 a.m.

    Three choices and not one of them good. That statement puts the icing on our little blue brother's season! Where are those posts of a run at the National Playoff that were so numerous in July and August? That 4-0 start in September that would turn heads nationally? They've turned into a compost pile along with the leaves of November.

  • Scores Idaho Falls, ID
    Nov. 7, 2017 11:07 a.m.

    I agree with Coach Sitaki. It shouldn't be that hard to go get one yard. That 4th and 1 play was an absolute disaster. Why didn't they hand the ball to El Bakri and let him go run over somebody? When you start trying to second guess what the opponent is going to do, you in trouble.

  • idablu Idaho Falls, ID
    Nov. 7, 2017 10:50 a.m.

    A healthy Hoge is your best option to start at this point. Problem is, I
    don’t think he is healthy. Whether it is physical or mental, he looked a little gun shy last game. Critchlow may be the only option. I think it would be a mistake to burn Wilstead’s red shirt year, unless he was head and shoulders better than the other 2, and he was 100% on board with doing that.

  • Mack2828 Ft Thomas, KY
    Nov. 7, 2017 10:21 a.m.

    What about the little Detmer fellar? Does he get to compete for the job too?

  • NotaWazzuCoug Kennewick, WA
    Nov. 7, 2017 10:09 a.m.

    No disrespect to the remaining QB's in the program but what has happened to quarterback U? It looks like they're all good character guys recruited by Mendenhall but look at their resumes. They were all good passers in high school but who recruited them?
    Wilstead - SDSU, SUU, and Louisville
    Critchlow - signed by SUU because schools waned from him when he declared he would serve a mission. If he was that good, somebody would have waited.
    Hoge - 2nd team All-State in Kentucky, recruited by Cinci, Miami (Ohio), and Ohio.
    Detmer - preferred walk-on, no recruitment.

    We wear rose colored glasses to be clamoring for the "next man up" when the talent level just isn't at the level.

    BYU is known as QB-U and can't attract a P-5 level QB. I've been a lifetime fan and will continue to be. I love BYU but worry about our ability to compete for the best recruits. Mendenhall took character guys and coached them up - I get his strategy. Remains to be seen what the current coach's strategy is.

  • mdp Bountiful, UT
    Nov. 7, 2017 9:59 a.m.

    People quickly forget that the QB is only a part of the equation- quality receivers are probably even more important to the passing game- and mostly missing this year.

  • brenjon Rexburg, ID
    Nov. 7, 2017 9:47 a.m.

    Hi Chris B! Just wondering why "horrible players" as you have labeled them would want to transfer to Utah (or elsewhere).

  • taatmk Brigham City, UT
    Nov. 7, 2017 9:36 a.m.

    The season has gone from a dumpster fire to a complete train wreck. No P-5 level school has this bad of a season without having major issues.

  • blue & white Boise, ID
    Nov. 7, 2017 9:26 a.m.

    Tanner QB rating 2015: 136. For 2017 :111 and hurt all but 2 games/ 8 games and limited mobility. A healthy Tanner in 2016 best Wyoming, co mtn west champs. QB rating for 2016: 150, small sample. A healthy Tanner would have done better this year with more wins. For the rest of the year start Critchlow and Detmer as back up. Let Hodge recover, he is not well. Keep the redshirt as planned on the other.

  • london_josh lincoln, CA
    Nov. 7, 2017 9:18 a.m.

    "The fact that the QB situation is not settled this late in the season points directly at a coaching problem."

    Disagree.

    Tanner is out for the season, not the coaches fault per say.

    Hoge plays well, not that well.

    Detmer just didn't preform.

    So yeah, open competition - that's the best thing for now.

  • Esquire Springville, UT
    Nov. 7, 2017 8:55 a.m.

    The fact that the QB situation is not settled this late in the season points directly at a coaching problem. This does not bode well for BYU.

  • coleman51 Orem, UT
    Nov. 7, 2017 8:45 a.m.

    I don't know why this is such a hard decision. Hoge and Detmer are not able to compete on a Division 1 level. Wilstead is a red-shirt freshman. That only leaves Critchlow as the starting quarterback for this game and for the rest of the season. Why Sitake is making this even a decision is beyond me. Critchlow is the future. He needs game time experience. The injury to Mangum is not just a problem for this season, but could hamper him for the rest of the time he plays football. We need to move on and Critchlow is where we need to move to. Not Mangum, Hoge, or Detmer can play at this level now to even compete with the level of athleticism existent in Division 1 college football. Critchlow is the only one we have with the size and strength as well as athletic ability to move us forward.

  • Billy Bob Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 7, 2017 7:33 a.m.

    Chris B, I will never get how you seem to get more joy out of seeing BYU suffer than you do from U of U success. I am a BYU fan first, and don't even consider myself a Utah hater at all. I would get no pleasure out of the U having as horrible of a season as the Y is having. You are most clearly a BYU hater first and U fan a distant second. But to each his own I guess. I just don't get how so many "U fans" can be wrapped up in such obsessed hatred.

  • Jello is Good ,
    Nov. 7, 2017 7:35 a.m.

    @Newlin - Sandy, UT
    Nov. 6, 2017 5:31 p.m.

    "Do any readers out there know why Austin Kafentzis can throw for a million yards in high school but not be considered in the quarterback mix for BYU?"

    The other QB's are better at this level.

  • Samwise Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 7, 2017 7:29 a.m.

    It should just be between Hoge and Critchlow, save Wilstead's redshirt. Critlow's redshirt is already burned so there is no going back on that. Also, I am as hardcore a BYU fan as there is but the question has to be asked: "what difference at this point does it make for this season who starts at QB?". I would go with Critchlow as the potential QB of the future, who hopefully will be able to help BYU right the ship in the coming years.

    Den Den, I am nearly certain you are being facetious, but in case you are serious, no it is because Mangum has suffered a season ending, and possibly career ending injury. I would hope that no one, even severely obsessed BYU-hating Ute fans would not make light of someone having their dreams crushed like that.

  • xert Santa Monica, CA
    Nov. 7, 2017 7:25 a.m.

    That cool picture makes Kody look almost Beiberishly handsome. My daughters and nieces would be absolutely giddy and dancing around the TV if he gets the nod. Vote for Kody!!!

  • BJMoose Syracuse, UT
    Nov. 7, 2017 6:54 a.m.

    From Chris B "My guess is there are many players looking to transfer to a bigger and better program after the season."
    My honest sincere question. Is the talent level such that bigger and better programs would want them? I think in a lot of instances that is not the case. They'd do well in the Big Sky. They would not do well in the Big 10.

  • gchris rock springs, wy
    Nov. 7, 2017 6:45 a.m.

    Zadok Dinkleman can't get here fast enough!

  • Cougar Man Bishop, CA
    Nov. 7, 2017 6:43 a.m.

    BYU is in the process of rebuilding. An open competition for the QB Position is a good thing. An open competition for all positions are, in fact, a good thing. Next Season....

  • Chris from Rose Park Hartford, CT
    Nov. 7, 2017 6:37 a.m.

    Sitake said, “I said if I were going to go down, we were going to go down swinging. I didn’t feel like we took enough swings.”

    There must be a breakdown of communication somewhere between the head coach and the players executing on the field. Here are some questions that I would ask:

    1. Is the game plan, that Sitake signs off on, self-contradicting? He wants aggressive plays, but does he also demand low risk plays? Does he tell the QB to throw downfield but then also tell him to not throw into coverage, to take the low risk 2 yard throw instead of risking an incompletion down field?

    2. Is Detmer not calling the plays that Sitake wants? Does Detmer change the game plan and become more conservative within the game itself. Does Sitake walk over to Detmer during games and talk about being more aggressive and then Detmer just ignore it?

    3. Are the players not doing what they are coached to do? Is the QB being told to throw downfield but won't? Are the receivers not running the right routes?

    There's a breakdown somewhere. I don't have these answers and nobody but the coaches and players really know the answers. I hope Sitake can figure it out.

  • cougpower West Jordan, UT
    Nov. 6, 2017 9:55 p.m.

    The Cougs' healing balm this season should've been--

    #1 - Coachin toughness in the receiving corps: they were doin it in fall camp, but it hardly ever translated to the field! Poor Tanner, didn't have a chance at becoming great, cause his receivers consistently never stepped up to make plays
    #2 - Coachin toughness in the O-line (they've under-performed for most all of the last nearly decade since Coach Jeff Grimes left); remember this group was supposed to a '17 'strength' of the team; and "nasty"!
    #3 - Coachin toughness overall on the offensive-side, demanding more from them mentally--so they would be less predictable, possessing more plays in the playbook

    Overall: "Nice" in plain clothes wins trust; "Nice" (or absence of aggression) on the sports field loses games. Perhaps Bronco'a quirky off-field toughness drills and activities were effective tactics after all...)

  • SIMPLICITY Denver, CO
    Nov. 6, 2017 8:32 p.m.

    A bit of a blessing in disguise. Mangum is not the answer, a few games to potentially find a winning QB.

  • scrappy do DRAPER, UT
    Nov. 6, 2017 8:09 p.m.

    Not enough life vests on this titanic

  • 7 in a row! Ogden, UT
    Nov. 6, 2017 8:03 p.m.

    Three winnable games left on the schedule:

    UNLV (4-5)
    UMass (2-7)
    Hawaii (3-6)

    Winnable as:

    Portland State (0-9)
    ECU (2-7)
    San Jose State (1-9)

    Truly a historic season.

  • CougarForever Holladay, Utah
    Nov. 6, 2017 8:02 p.m.

    The bad news: If Hoge really has an injury (or injuries) significant enough to prevent him from starting this Friday then we are in a bad spot since we have a short week to give Critchlow and presumably Wilstead sufficient reps before facing UNLV.

    The good news: UNLV has a really bad defense (and apparently they have never beaten us in Las Vegas). Also, if Critchlow and/or Wilstead play on Friday then UNLV will be facing largely unknowns for which they might be unprepared.

    Any news on how other players with injuries are faring?

  • Eastern CO Coug Elizabeth, CO
    Nov. 6, 2017 7:43 p.m.

    Guess that means Koy Detmer is out of the running? Did he get hurt too?

  • RWOFVA RIVERTON, UT
    Nov. 6, 2017 7:20 p.m.

    Not it!

  • Den Den West Jordan, UT
    Nov. 6, 2017 6:31 p.m.

    Is that because Mangum is turning pro?

  • Chris B Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 6, 2017 5:37 p.m.

    I wonder if there are any QB's that even want to play at this point? Byu is a horrible team with terrible coaches and terrible players and has no chance at a bowl game.

    My guess is there are many players looking to transfer to a bigger and better program after the season. Such place could include Utah, utah state, wyoming, and southern Utah.

  • Newlin Sandy, UT
    Nov. 6, 2017 5:31 p.m.

    Do any readers out there know why Austin Kafentzis can throw for a million yards in high school but not be considered in the quarterback mix for BYU?

  • CV Storm Hyrum, UT
    Nov. 6, 2017 5:26 p.m.

    I am sorry, but I try to make sense of what Coach Sitake is saying and it seems like it is just double speak. I just do not understand how what he said in the article will help the Cougs become better. I am still baffled by the roll out pass option that was called on the 4th and 1 against Fresno State. The Coug running game is gashing the Bulldog defense for 6-8 yards a whack and they call a roll out pass. Which hits a Bulldog defender in the helmet. If that wasn't indicative of the BYU season I don't know what is. I think Coach Sitake would make a wonderful coordinator somewhere, but I wonder about his ability to be a HC. I was thinking the Cougs should win out, but with the HC's philosophy, I will be surprised if they win again.