How did dreamers get educations in the USA before DACA without breaking numerous
laws?My kids had to enter their SS# to register for school. Where
did they get the ID they used? You can't just leave it blank.How would our dad get work? I had to submit my SS# before I could get paid.
Did the dad have to buy a SS# off the black market?How do they get
insurance (car, healthy, home)? Every insurance application requires a SS#.
If you don't have one... you can't get insurance. Even ObamaCare or
Medicaid.How do you fill out a rental agreement? Most rental
agreements require a SS# so they can do a financial history check and make sure
you don't have a history of not paying your rent.How do you get
a bank account? The application requires a SS#How do you pay taxes
if you are here illegally? You need a valid SS# or TIN to pay taxes
(can't even get a TIN if here illegally).If you're living
in the USA illegally... you would have to break laws all the time. Buy fake
IDs, falsify documents, use other peoples identity, etc.Some
dreamers I've seen interviewed on TV already have law degrees. Obviously
they were living here before DACA. How did they do that?
To "Mashlin Villanueva" the problem is that when you look at all of the
services an illegal immigrant family consume, it costs the government over $2000
per year for that family to remain here. Yes they pay taxes, but they are still
a drain on the country.As for getting educated, that is great, but
what will they do with that degree once they are done? Will they return to
their country of origin? If they don't return, how do they expect to get a
job since they are here illegally and can't legally be employed? So, a
DREAMER spends $20,000 for a degree and can only get a job working in the
RE: "'Dreamers' are here to become educated citizens"...---Wait a minute... They said they were only here to do the jobs
Americans won't do.Are you telling me we were lied to? No
way!===Which is it? Make up your mind.Are
they here to get educated and compete for the job my child needs? Or are they
here to do the jobs Americans won't do?Those are two very
different things.===I think they are here to get
educated and compete for the very best jobs America has. And I don't blame
them for that. I would not be satisfied with being told I can only have the
jobs Americans don't want.I think they should get the very best
education possible, and the very best jobs possible. They are not 2nd-class
human beings. They want everything I want.Being seen as 2nd-class
citizens is so humiliating IMO. Assuming they are citizens.Of
course they want to do the same jobs you and I do. They are human beings, just
like you and I.Some are willing to do the jobs Americans won't
do (the 1st generation). But studies show the 2nd and future generations
educated here, watching their neighbors, want everything their neighbor has.
And I don't blame them.
It is frightening that an articulate young person can write such a letter
without an understanding of reality. It is not simply a matter of self-selecting
something better and taking it.In our society we live in fear of
someone getting our Social Security number. People pay $10 a month to protect
that number.And yet, someone who wants to live here can steal your
ID...and Marsha calls that a noble thing. Is it noble as well to
work in the underground economy, being paid in cash?The Dreamer
mentality is flawed in many ways. Sure, the child was innocent, but should the
parents be sent home? You can't just say no one was responsible.And where do we go to get paid back for their use of public schools, public
health, public welfare, public libraries and public safety?Yet
thoughts like Marsha's abound, with no thought for the realities of the
situation. Her illusions are fueled by politicians and preachers whose messages
are dutifully aped by the press.You really can't just set
another place at the table and pretend nothing happened.
I worked with a lot of Hispanic immigrants while in Berkeley California. Good
men and we never had one tool stolen! I was called to Montana for a
job and worked with good men there as well. Almost every tool in our tool chest
was stolen within a month. I have a hard time putting labels on
people when I have had such an experience like this.
Those brought to the US as children have been done a disservice by their parents
and by the US government which failed to enforce laws designed to protect our
nation and to prevent exploitation of those who desired to come here. Instead
our government has encouraged illegal immigration to force down wages
artificially by adding workers to our economy who are easily exploitable.Our children have also suffered a disservice at the hands of the
government and the illegal aliens. Our children and grandchildren have to
compete against those who accept less, making it harder to find entry-level
opportunities. Where is the level playing field?
From the article: "Immigrants come to the United States for many
reasons."You're right. Some come here from noble reasons.
However, some come here to commit crimes."If all the immigrants
that are currently in the U.S were deported, the economy could lose billions of
dollars each year."This is incorrect. The jobs vacated by
deported immigrants would eventually be filled by American citizens and legal
immigrants who are not deported."The United States is a diverse
country and immigrants should not be deported."Legal immigrants
are welcome. Illegal immigrants are not welcome, just like a burglar is not
welcome in a home. Open borders are a threat to American citizens and national
So many negative and pejorative labels have been put on those who have come to
our country illegally in order to find opportunity and freedom. Certainly there
are the more sinister elements of that group who commit crimes and harm others.
But I wonder what percentage of the overall group falls into the latter
category? Is it a greater percentage than those who are here legally? And if
you look beyond violent crime what percentage of legal Americans are involved in
crime?But the Dreamers are a totally different group all together.
They came here as children. This is the only culture they know. The Dreamer
program has a series of checks included that it might be a good idea to make
mandatory for all citizens. Once every two years Dreamers have to re-apply for
their status. They have to prove they are productive citizens, either attending
college or working at a steady job. They have to have a clean criminal record.
What if all of us had to live with these requirements. Wouldn't this be a
better place to live.When considering those who live in the Dreamer
status, where would they be sent if they have to leave the country? This is the
only home they have ever known.
Funny how laws become important when those same laws would harm a person brought
here as a child.However, other laws that ask for accountability by
the elected class are ignored. Or that justice is generally on served well when
a person can lawyer up with the best defense possible.I guess strict
interpretation is only important when you have the "right" political
Every single country in the world has laws governing immigration- not just the
United States. We don’t just suspend our laws because you- or your
parents- don’t feel like obeying them. We welcome with open arms those
immigrants who come to our country legally- we are a diverse country and we
welcome the diversity of those who obey our laws. To those who think the rule
of law shouldn’t apply to them for whatever reason- well you take the
chance of having your family members deported. Actions have consequences.
Living in a free country means there are rights and freedoms accorded its
citizens. It doesn’t mean that we have free and open borders to all who
feel like coming just because. Immigrants are not deported if they enter our
country abiding by the laws of the land, in particular our immigration laws.
However, if you are here illegally, in violation of our laws, then you
aren’t free to choose the consequences, which could indeed be deportation.
Just some reality.
Bienvenidos dreamers! We in the US should treat you as the good neighbors you
are, even to the limits of the Christian definition of neighbors. We in the US
enjoy a comparably opulent economy, we have room for you in our economy. We in
the US brag about democracy, opportunity, education, diversity, so
bienvenidos.Sorry that some don't share this view with me, their
Democrats, MSM, every faculty member at any university in the country fighting
to the death for illegal aliens? they put a warm and fuzzy name on it
"Dreamers."Democrats have actually changed the language. It's not
illegal alien anymore its "Immigrant." They're not adults, they are
"Kids" or "children." and no one seem to wonder? future voters?
There is an estimated 800,000 DACA recipients in the US. That is
800,000 jobs American Citizens don't have or will be in competition for.
The MSM and Democrats would have us believe that all 800 thousand are not taking
jobs Americans want (we've heard that lie for many years now.) There not
all picking strawberries they take great Jobs. Good enough jobs to buy homes put
their kids through college. Why must the citizens of our country have
competition for jobs, education in their own country from foreign nationals? The GOAL, (Democrats just haven't figured this out yet) is for the
citizens to be employed, sending their kids to college, buying homes. It's
not the responsibility of the citizens of this country to support, educate
citizens from other country's.Deportation will save jobs and decrease the
BILLIONS we spend on illegal aliens.