Letter: 'Dreamers' are here to become educated citizens

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  • 2 bits Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Nov. 8, 2017 9:22 a.m.

    How did dreamers get educations in the USA before DACA without breaking numerous laws?

    My kids had to enter their SS# to register for school. Where did they get the ID they used? You can't just leave it blank.

    How would our dad get work? I had to submit my SS# before I could get paid. Did the dad have to buy a SS# off the black market?

    How do they get insurance (car, healthy, home)? Every insurance application requires a SS#. If you don't have one... you can't get insurance. Even ObamaCare or Medicaid.

    How do you fill out a rental agreement? Most rental agreements require a SS# so they can do a financial history check and make sure you don't have a history of not paying your rent.

    How do you get a bank account? The application requires a SS#

    How do you pay taxes if you are here illegally? You need a valid SS# or TIN to pay taxes (can't even get a TIN if here illegally).

    If you're living in the USA illegally... you would have to break laws all the time. Buy fake IDs, falsify documents, use other peoples identity, etc.

    Some dreamers I've seen interviewed on TV already have law degrees. Obviously they were living here before DACA. How did they do that?

  • RedShirtHarvard Cambridge, MA
    Nov. 7, 2017 2:51 p.m.

    To "Mashlin Villanueva" the problem is that when you look at all of the services an illegal immigrant family consume, it costs the government over $2000 per year for that family to remain here. Yes they pay taxes, but they are still a drain on the country.

    As for getting educated, that is great, but what will they do with that degree once they are done? Will they return to their country of origin? If they don't return, how do they expect to get a job since they are here illegally and can't legally be employed? So, a DREAMER spends $20,000 for a degree and can only get a job working in the shadows.

  • 2 bits Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Nov. 7, 2017 1:05 p.m.

    RE: "'Dreamers' are here to become educated citizens"...
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    Wait a minute... They said they were only here to do the jobs Americans won't do.

    Are you telling me we were lied to? No way!

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    Which is it? Make up your mind.

    Are they here to get educated and compete for the job my child needs? Or are they here to do the jobs Americans won't do?

    Those are two very different things.

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    I think they are here to get educated and compete for the very best jobs America has. And I don't blame them for that. I would not be satisfied with being told I can only have the jobs Americans don't want.

    I think they should get the very best education possible, and the very best jobs possible. They are not 2nd-class human beings. They want everything I want.

    Being seen as 2nd-class citizens is so humiliating IMO. Assuming they are citizens.

    Of course they want to do the same jobs you and I do. They are human beings, just like you and I.

    Some are willing to do the jobs Americans won't do (the 1st generation). But studies show the 2nd and future generations educated here, watching their neighbors, want everything their neighbor has. And I don't blame them.

  • Third try screen name Mapleton, UT
    Nov. 7, 2017 10:53 a.m.

    It is frightening that an articulate young person can write such a letter without an understanding of reality. It is not simply a matter of self-selecting something better and taking it.

    In our society we live in fear of someone getting our Social Security number. People pay $10 a month to protect that number.

    And yet, someone who wants to live here can steal your ID...and Marsha calls that a noble thing.

    Is it noble as well to work in the underground economy, being paid in cash?

    The Dreamer mentality is flawed in many ways. Sure, the child was innocent, but should the parents be sent home? You can't just say no one was responsible.

    And where do we go to get paid back for their use of public schools, public health, public welfare, public libraries and public safety?

    Yet thoughts like Marsha's abound, with no thought for the realities of the situation. Her illusions are fueled by politicians and preachers whose messages are dutifully aped by the press.

    You really can't just set another place at the table and pretend nothing happened.

  • LOU Montana Pueblo, CO
    Nov. 7, 2017 9:07 a.m.

    I worked with a lot of Hispanic immigrants while in Berkeley California. Good men and we never had one tool stolen!

    I was called to Montana for a job and worked with good men there as well. Almost every tool in our tool chest was stolen within a month.

    I have a hard time putting labels on people when I have had such an experience like this.

  • No One Of Consequence West Jordan, UT
    Nov. 7, 2017 9:02 a.m.

    Those brought to the US as children have been done a disservice by their parents and by the US government which failed to enforce laws designed to protect our nation and to prevent exploitation of those who desired to come here. Instead our government has encouraged illegal immigration to force down wages artificially by adding workers to our economy who are easily exploitable.

    Our children have also suffered a disservice at the hands of the government and the illegal aliens. Our children and grandchildren have to compete against those who accept less, making it harder to find entry-level opportunities. Where is the level playing field?

  • Husker2 Millbrook, AL
    Nov. 7, 2017 7:07 a.m.

    From the article: "Immigrants come to the United States for many reasons."

    You're right. Some come here from noble reasons. However, some come here to commit crimes.

    "If all the immigrants that are currently in the U.S were deported, the economy could lose billions of dollars each year."

    This is incorrect. The jobs vacated by deported immigrants would eventually be filled by American citizens and legal immigrants who are not deported.

    "The United States is a diverse country and immigrants should not be deported."

    Legal immigrants are welcome. Illegal immigrants are not welcome, just like a burglar is not welcome in a home. Open borders are a threat to American citizens and national security.

  • Edgar Samaria, ID
    Nov. 7, 2017 7:03 a.m.

    So many negative and pejorative labels have been put on those who have come to our country illegally in order to find opportunity and freedom. Certainly there are the more sinister elements of that group who commit crimes and harm others. But I wonder what percentage of the overall group falls into the latter category? Is it a greater percentage than those who are here legally? And if you look beyond violent crime what percentage of legal Americans are involved in crime?

    But the Dreamers are a totally different group all together. They came here as children. This is the only culture they know. The Dreamer program has a series of checks included that it might be a good idea to make mandatory for all citizens. Once every two years Dreamers have to re-apply for their status. They have to prove they are productive citizens, either attending college or working at a steady job. They have to have a clean criminal record. What if all of us had to live with these requirements. Wouldn't this be a better place to live.

    When considering those who live in the Dreamer status, where would they be sent if they have to leave the country? This is the only home they have ever known.

  • unrepentant progressive Bozeman, MT
    Nov. 7, 2017 6:00 a.m.

    Funny how laws become important when those same laws would harm a person brought here as a child.

    However, other laws that ask for accountability by the elected class are ignored. Or that justice is generally on served well when a person can lawyer up with the best defense possible.

    I guess strict interpretation is only important when you have the "right" political views.

  • MacMama Sandy, UT
    Nov. 6, 2017 10:16 p.m.

    Every single country in the world has laws governing immigration- not just the United States. We don’t just suspend our laws because you- or your parents- don’t feel like obeying them. We welcome with open arms those immigrants who come to our country legally- we are a diverse country and we welcome the diversity of those who obey our laws. To those who think the rule of law shouldn’t apply to them for whatever reason- well you take the chance of having your family members deported. Actions have consequences. Living in a free country means there are rights and freedoms accorded its citizens. It doesn’t mean that we have free and open borders to all who feel like coming just because. Immigrants are not deported if they enter our country abiding by the laws of the land, in particular our immigration laws. However, if you are here illegally, in violation of our laws, then you aren’t free to choose the consequences, which could indeed be deportation. Just some reality.

  • dave4197 Redding, CA
    Nov. 6, 2017 9:54 p.m.

    Bienvenidos dreamers! We in the US should treat you as the good neighbors you are, even to the limits of the Christian definition of neighbors. We in the US enjoy a comparably opulent economy, we have room for you in our economy. We in the US brag about democracy, opportunity, education, diversity, so bienvenidos.
    Sorry that some don't share this view with me, their loss.

  • Mira Lancaster, CA
    Nov. 6, 2017 8:59 p.m.

    Democrats, MSM, every faculty member at any university in the country fighting to the death for illegal aliens? they put a warm and fuzzy name on it "Dreamers."Democrats have actually changed the language. It's not illegal alien anymore its "Immigrant." They're not adults, they are "Kids" or "children." and no one seem to wonder? future voters?

    There is an estimated 800,000 DACA recipients in the US. That is 800,000 jobs American Citizens don't have or will be in competition for. The MSM and Democrats would have us believe that all 800 thousand are not taking jobs Americans want (we've heard that lie for many years now.) There not all picking strawberries they take great Jobs. Good enough jobs to buy homes put their kids through college. Why must the citizens of our country have competition for jobs, education in their own country from foreign nationals?

    The GOAL, (Democrats just haven't figured this out yet) is for the citizens to be employed, sending their kids to college, buying homes. It's not the responsibility of the citizens of this country to support, educate citizens from other country's.Deportation will save jobs and decrease the BILLIONS we spend on illegal aliens.