High school football: 3A semifinal preview, Summit Academy vs. Juan Diego

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  • Old ball coach Sandy, UT
    Nov. 3, 2017 10:30 a.m.

    The fact that JD and Summit Academy are always getting put down this time of year, is comical. Both of these school have an advantage being in the Valley, because kids who do not play at Bingham, Herriman, Riverton, Jordan, Corner Canyon, Copper Hills, Alta, Brighton, West Jordan, Hillcrest, Taylorsville, Kearns, Murray, Cottonwood, Hunter, Granger, etc... Have the opportunity to go to school there with open enrollment.

    Where is Carbon High going to get their kids? Castle Dale, East Carbon, Green River, Duchesne, Woodside, Fairview, Mount Pleasant? You can't tell me there is no advantage JD and SA get over playing these rural schools.

    60+ on the roster for JD and SA. How about Taylorsville, Kearns, Granger, Hunter who have to cancel Soph or JV games because even though they have 6A numbers with student enrollment, the number of players on the sidelines is below 60 total! Where is the fair playing field in that?

    I have no solutions to JD, SA, or even Taylorsville and Granger. Troubling, but there is an easy fix, I just do not know why hard headed people are in charge!


  • scrappy do DRAPER, UT
    Nov. 2, 2017 5:39 p.m.

    Sounds right.. ‘JD and SA kids go there specifically to play sports’

    That is preposterous
    JD is tough academically... going there just to play sports would be silly... and why aren’t they racking up championships in all the other sports?

  • Mr. Boris Layton, UT
    Nov. 2, 2017 3:10 p.m.

    The ironic part of this conversation is that 2A Beaver and South Summit would beat all four of the 3A semifinal teams. So student numbers don't always matter. Just ask Morgan how it went against South Summit this season.

  • Sounds right.. Cedar City, UT
    Nov. 2, 2017 3:05 p.m.

    Some of you don't get it. We realize the total numbers of JD and SA are 3A Size but the difference is the amount of kids playing athletics. At rural schools you have all the diversity kids and kids that do nothing but count against the school enrollment. JD and SA kids are there to specifically play sports. Their participation numbers in athletics are like 5A schools because everyone there is doing them because they have brought them in and the location of their schools. Rural schools do not have that same advantage.
    Its not that hard to figure out why they are successful in every sport they compete in, just common sense.
    But to say they are on the same level and have no advantage against rural towns because they are around the same student enrollment would tell me you are completely biased on the situation.

  • Ute Fan 4 Life Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 2, 2017 2:39 p.m.

    Mr Boris, I'm not sure I get what you are trying to say. I've attended every SA game this year and in comparison every 3A school they've played has as many, if not more, kids dressed on their sidelines. When UHSAA proposed the realignment it was based off of enrollment #'s at the school as of 10/1/16. Not how many kids are on the football team or the population base where the school is located. Again, a UHSAA thing, not Summit Academy or Juan Diego.

    I'll go back to my previous statement that there are some very good teams in 3A. Every team left in the 3A tournament has a legitimate shot at winning the whole thing. Juab beat SA soundly in week 7. Grantsville was within 2 inches of beating Juan Diego last week.

  • football follower Herriman, UT
    Nov. 2, 2017 1:14 p.m.

    Boris , you don't make any sense, It is the number of kids enrolled in a school .

  • Mr. Boris Layton, UT
    Nov. 2, 2017 11:57 a.m.

    They are doing what the rest of the schools along the Wasatch front do because of open enrollment.

    That is exactly why they should play in the bigger classifications.

    Point made perfectly.

    All the student enrollment numbers are meaningless. It's the population base where the players come from that is the important number.

  • Ute Fan 4 Life Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 2, 2017 11:27 a.m.

    Basically the issue is with what is allowed by UHSAA. JD and SA aren't doing anything different than the rest of the schools along the Wasatch Front. Look at Herriman, Bingham, Corner Canyon, Alta, the list goes on and on. They all recruit.........errr......have transfers because of "open enrollment." JD and SA play where UHSAA tells them to play. Which by the way if you go off of enrollment #'s Summit Academy is the smallest of all 3A schools and should actually still be 2A.
    Based on Oct. 1 2016 enrollment #'s:
    Carbon 699
    Union 664
    Morgan 637
    Grantsville 616
    Juan Diego 569
    No Sanpete 552
    Juab 541
    Judge 514
    Richfield 474
    Manti 455
    Emery 395
    Summit Academy 393
    From top to bottom your biggest school has almost twice the students as the smallest.

  • Mr. Boris Layton, UT
    Nov. 2, 2017 10:21 a.m.

    Number of students in the school is irrelevant. It's the number of students in the school that play football that matters. And the number of football playing students is increased by recruiting.

    Juan Diego and Summit don't build depth from the general student population, they build their depth from the JV teams from the south end of the valley.

    No hating involved here. It's basic statistics and it give a clear advantage.

  • Bigtravi Herriman, UT
    Nov. 2, 2017 9:10 a.m.

    You run out of excuses so you go with 'haters gonna hate'. That's solid reasoning. If JD feels good about winning state championships utilizing an unfair advantage then more power to them. Its tough to argue JD would continue winning at the 4A level if they aren't willing to back it up.

  • football follower Herriman, UT
    Nov. 1, 2017 11:57 p.m.

    Haters gonna hate I guess, no one can deny ND or Summit both great teams. It's gonna be one of these 2 teams that will take state. As with every year there's always gonna be haters.

  • Neil Man Weogufka, AL
    Nov. 1, 2017 6:10 p.m.

    Watched JD team all season, if they lose this upcoming game to Summit it will be a direct result of the injuries the Varsity team has suffered late in the season. Summit has a good team and JD’s back up players are young & inexperienced.

  • Bigtravi Herriman, UT
    Nov. 1, 2017 5:20 p.m.

    The average football roster for Sky View, Mountain Crest, Orem, and Dixie (all 4A schools) is 61 players. JD has a roster of 59 players. The argument of number of students is invalid. This is not hard to figure out.

  • football follower Herriman, UT
    Nov. 1, 2017 4:51 p.m.

    So again the answer to moving up to 4 A goes right back to the number of students, if you are East and have 4 people deep for every position it does not affect you if a player gets hurt , small schools such as JD or summit don't have the numbers to do this, this is not hard to figure out. It is all about the number of students.

  • Bigtravi Herriman, UT
    Nov. 1, 2017 4:46 p.m.

    Also, If JD would have no problem winning in 4A, why don't they request to move up similar to what East did? My guess is they would have a hard time beating out Dixie, Pine View, Orem, Sky View, and Mountain Crest for a state championship.

  • Bigtravi Herriman, UT
    Nov. 1, 2017 4:22 p.m.

    Football Follower -
    It seems you are confused about what recruiting is. You can have a student transfer in, register at the school, be a student, and still be recruited. People are upset because JD continues to play against other schools of the same size who do not do that. Which would obviously give JD an advantage over the other.

  • football follower Herriman, UT
    Nov. 1, 2017 4:14 p.m.

    I can tell you that JD would have no problem playing 4 A , and winning . This is not how they make the determination however, It is by the number of students that you have , not how good your players are. You all have to remember that in 3 A if our players get hurt they dont have 4 person depth chart to pull a new player from, so moving up is not the answer to your problem. My son was lucky enough to play for a great school and great coaches as well getting a great education at a pretty good cost. However we would not change our state championship for anything, I find it funny that the ones who complain were the same people who complained when we won the championship. Time to get over it

  • Mr. Boris Layton, UT
    Nov. 1, 2017 3:47 p.m.

    Juan Diego is a great program and they should be.

    Imagine Utah playing Utah State. But Utah State only gets to use players from Utah and the Utes get to use players from anywhere in the country. Then obviously the Utes are going to have a better program than Utah State.

    It's the same with 3A football. There are a few 3A schools where they might be able to use players from another town but not very many. And Juan Diego and Summit are able to use "transfers" from all over the Wasatch front. Is transfers a better word then recruits for the private school apologists?

    The solution is simple. The private schools just need to play up one classification from where their enrollment numbers would place them and it would even the playing field. Then they would be playing schools with the same opportunities for players as themselves in 4A like the St. George, Cache Valley, and Utah County schools. Problem solved.

    They wouldn't win as many state championships but the championship would mean something when they did.

    I hear Summit will soon have the numbers for 4A and they always choke in the playoffs anyways.

  • football follower Herriman, UT
    Nov. 1, 2017 3:12 p.m.

    So this player that you said should not be playing for JD, because he should be on the other team? Is he registered at JD? if he is then guess what he can be on that team. Are you saying he shouldn't be on that team because you don't think he should be? Because they beat your team , not sure what your point is. He is a student at JD .

  • ADIDAS Tooele County, UT
    Nov. 1, 2017 2:40 p.m.

    @Football Follower

    JD recruits, don't say they don't. They have a player that should've been on the opposing team last week.

  • football follower Herriman, UT
    Nov. 1, 2017 1:11 p.m.

    Juan Diego has a great program, not sure why some people think that they go around recruiting that's just not true. My son went to JD and played football for Coach Collisimo who is a fabulous coach he is a great example to the boys and the program. I would have to say to all those haters out there go take your kids to JD , its a great school and a great program. If you can afford it your kids would love it there. Summit has been very good this yer another example of good coaching and great kids , good luck to both of these teams. Morgan Juab you can take a lesson from both of these schools.

  • Ute Fan 4 Life Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 1, 2017 12:30 p.m.

    Very hard fought game. I've been watching football for a very long time and the previous match up between these two teams was one of the best I've seen. Very good offense on both sides of the ball. Should come down to which program can hold onto the ball.

    Despite the comments from Mr Boris and Sounds right (both of which are not giving much credit to the rural schools) the south division in 3A was very competitive with almost every program. There is some very quality football played among these schools. Juab, Morgan, Grantsville, Richfield and Manti are all very physical, tough nose teams.

    Best of luck to all the teams playing this weekend. Regardless of the winners, the championship game should be a good one.