The fact that JD and Summit Academy are always getting put down this time of
year, is comical. Both of these school have an advantage being in the Valley,
because kids who do not play at Bingham, Herriman, Riverton, Jordan, Corner
Canyon, Copper Hills, Alta, Brighton, West Jordan, Hillcrest, Taylorsville,
Kearns, Murray, Cottonwood, Hunter, Granger, etc... Have the opportunity to go
to school there with open enrollment.Where is Carbon High going to
get their kids? Castle Dale, East Carbon, Green River, Duchesne, Woodside,
Fairview, Mount Pleasant? You can't tell me there is no advantage JD and SA
get over playing these rural schools. 60+ on the roster for JD and
SA. How about Taylorsville, Kearns, Granger, Hunter who have to cancel Soph or
JV games because even though they have 6A numbers with student enrollment, the
number of players on the sidelines is below 60 total! Where is the fair playing
field in that?I have no solutions to JD, SA, or even Taylorsville
and Granger. Troubling, but there is an easy fix, I just do not know why hard
headed people are in charge!GET OUT AND ENJOY THE PLAYOFFS TODAY,
AND GOOD LUCK TO ALL!
Sounds right.. ‘JD and SA kids go there specifically to play
sports’That is preposterous JD is tough academically...
going there just to play sports would be silly... and why aren’t they
racking up championships in all the other sports?
The ironic part of this conversation is that 2A Beaver and South Summit would
beat all four of the 3A semifinal teams. So student numbers don't always
matter. Just ask Morgan how it went against South Summit this season.
Some of you don't get it. We realize the total numbers of JD and SA are 3A
Size but the difference is the amount of kids playing athletics. At rural
schools you have all the diversity kids and kids that do nothing but count
against the school enrollment. JD and SA kids are there to specifically play
sports. Their participation numbers in athletics are like 5A schools because
everyone there is doing them because they have brought them in and the location
of their schools. Rural schools do not have that same advantage. Its not
that hard to figure out why they are successful in every sport they compete in,
just common sense. But to say they are on the same level and have no
advantage against rural towns because they are around the same student
enrollment would tell me you are completely biased on the situation.
Mr Boris, I'm not sure I get what you are trying to say. I've
attended every SA game this year and in comparison every 3A school they've
played has as many, if not more, kids dressed on their sidelines. When UHSAA
proposed the realignment it was based off of enrollment #'s at the school
as of 10/1/16. Not how many kids are on the football team or the population
base where the school is located. Again, a UHSAA thing, not Summit Academy or
Juan Diego. I'll go back to my previous statement that there
are some very good teams in 3A. Every team left in the 3A tournament has a
legitimate shot at winning the whole thing. Juab beat SA soundly in week 7.
Grantsville was within 2 inches of beating Juan Diego last week.
Boris , you don't make any sense, It is the number of kids enrolled in a
They are doing what the rest of the schools along the Wasatch front do because
of open enrollment.That is exactly why they should play in the
bigger classifications.Point made perfectly.All the
student enrollment numbers are meaningless. It's the population base where
the players come from that is the important number.
Basically the issue is with what is allowed by UHSAA. JD and SA aren't
doing anything different than the rest of the schools along the Wasatch Front.
Look at Herriman, Bingham, Corner Canyon, Alta, the list goes on and on. They
all recruit.........errr......have transfers because of "open
enrollment." JD and SA play where UHSAA tells them to play. Which by the
way if you go off of enrollment #'s Summit Academy is the smallest of all
3A schools and should actually still be 2A.Based on Oct. 1 2016 enrollment
#'s:Carbon 699Union 664Morgan 637Grantsville 616Juan Diego 569No Sanpete 552Juab 541Judge 514Richfield
474Manti 455Emery 395Summit Academy 393From top to
bottom your biggest school has almost twice the students as the smallest.
Number of students in the school is irrelevant. It's the number of
students in the school that play football that matters. And the number of
football playing students is increased by recruiting.Juan Diego and
Summit don't build depth from the general student population, they build
their depth from the JV teams from the south end of the valley.No
hating involved here. It's basic statistics and it give a clear advantage.
You run out of excuses so you go with 'haters gonna hate'. That's
solid reasoning. If JD feels good about winning state championships utilizing an
unfair advantage then more power to them. Its tough to argue JD would continue
winning at the 4A level if they aren't willing to back it up.
Haters gonna hate I guess, no one can deny ND or Summit both great teams.
It's gonna be one of these 2 teams that will take state. As with every year
there's always gonna be haters.
Watched JD team all season, if they lose this upcoming game to Summit it will be
a direct result of the injuries the Varsity team has suffered late in the
season. Summit has a good team and JD’s back up players are young &
The average football roster for Sky View, Mountain Crest, Orem, and Dixie (all
4A schools) is 61 players. JD has a roster of 59 players. The argument of number
of students is invalid. This is not hard to figure out.
So again the answer to moving up to 4 A goes right back to the number of
students, if you are East and have 4 people deep for every position it does not
affect you if a player gets hurt , small schools such as JD or summit don't
have the numbers to do this, this is not hard to figure out. It is all about
the number of students.
Also, If JD would have no problem winning in 4A, why don't they request to
move up similar to what East did? My guess is they would have a hard time
beating out Dixie, Pine View, Orem, Sky View, and Mountain Crest for a state
Football Follower -It seems you are confused about what recruiting is. You
can have a student transfer in, register at the school, be a student, and still
be recruited. People are upset because JD continues to play against other
schools of the same size who do not do that. Which would obviously give JD an
advantage over the other.
I can tell you that JD would have no problem playing 4 A , and winning . This
is not how they make the determination however, It is by the number of students
that you have , not how good your players are. You all have to remember that in
3 A if our players get hurt they dont have 4 person depth chart to pull a new
player from, so moving up is not the answer to your problem. My son was
lucky enough to play for a great school and great coaches as well getting a
great education at a pretty good cost. However we would not change our state
championship for anything, I find it funny that the ones who complain were the
same people who complained when we won the championship. Time to get over it
Juan Diego is a great program and they should be. Imagine Utah
playing Utah State. But Utah State only gets to use players from Utah and the
Utes get to use players from anywhere in the country. Then obviously the Utes
are going to have a better program than Utah State.It's the
same with 3A football. There are a few 3A schools where they might be able to
use players from another town but not very many. And Juan Diego and Summit are
able to use "transfers" from all over the Wasatch front. Is transfers a
better word then recruits for the private school apologists?The
solution is simple. The private schools just need to play up one classification
from where their enrollment numbers would place them and it would even the
playing field. Then they would be playing schools with the same opportunities
for players as themselves in 4A like the St. George, Cache Valley, and Utah
County schools. Problem solved.They wouldn't win as many state
championships but the championship would mean something when they did.I hear Summit will soon have the numbers for 4A and they always choke in the
So this player that you said should not be playing for JD, because he should
be on the other team? Is he registered at JD? if he is then guess what he can
be on that team. Are you saying he shouldn't be on that team because you
don't think he should be? Because they beat your team , not sure what your
point is. He is a student at JD .
@Football FollowerJD recruits, don't say they don't. They
have a player that should've been on the opposing team last week.
Juan Diego has a great program, not sure why some people think that they go
around recruiting that's just not true. My son went to JD and played
football for Coach Collisimo who is a fabulous coach he is a great example to
the boys and the program. I would have to say to all those haters out there go
take your kids to JD , its a great school and a great program. If you can
afford it your kids would love it there. Summit has been very good this yer
another example of good coaching and great kids , good luck to both of these
teams. Morgan Juab you can take a lesson from both of these schools.
Very hard fought game. I've been watching football for a very long time
and the previous match up between these two teams was one of the best I've
seen. Very good offense on both sides of the ball. Should come down to which
program can hold onto the ball. Despite the comments from Mr Boris
and Sounds right (both of which are not giving much credit to the rural schools)
the south division in 3A was very competitive with almost every program. There
is some very quality football played among these schools. Juab, Morgan,
Grantsville, Richfield and Manti are all very physical, tough nose teams.Best of luck to all the teams playing this weekend. Regardless of the
winners, the championship game should be a good one.