On the very second he was found in an incoherent state of mind along the side of
Jay Evensen: How do we know when a politician has lost it?==== Not sure.But I do know one thing -- Trump should
learn something from Mr. Gary Ott - and I mean this in all seriousness...Have a good effective staff that can do his job for him, and then
keep him out of the office, out of the public, and take away his twitter
Re: "How do we know when a politician has lost it?".How's
this; They don't show up to work for months and their co-workers cover for
So the caucus thing would have saved us from the Ott fiasco. I don't know
NoNamesAccepted, that seems a bit of a stretch. The caucus did nothing here.
Ott wasn't a "Buy My Vote" candidate by any stretch, pretty much
right in the middle of your caucus environment.It's just hard
to know sometimes. It appears that even President Reagan was mentally
diminished toward the end of his second term. But good effective people around
any politician can run things relatively smoothly as we saw both with Ott's
case and with Reagan for the most part, though there were a lot of scandals in
the last part of Reagan's presidency and perhaps his diminished capacity
led to that.
We are lining it now. Believe me we all know.
How do we know they ever had it... I have not run across too many lately
We could reduce the risk of this issue by imposing term limits or simply voting
for fresh faces regularly rather than perpetually sending the same people back
to office time and time again.
Re: "How do we know when a politician has lost it?"...---IMO
it requires a physician's diagnosis. You certainly don't determine it
by consulting the media, the opinion page, or the political hacks out there.
You certainly don't remove them from office when the political-hacks start
calling for a politician's head (like the anti-Trump people who troll these
pages every day).If we let the political-hacks determine when a
politician has lost it... Everyone in Congress would be gone (89% of Americans
think they are crazy). We would never have a President complete a term in
office (they always end up offending partisan people of the other party sooner
or later).I don't know a single President who hasn't been
called crazy by a significant number of Americans (usually people from the
other party).So we should not listen to hacks. We should listen to
doctors who know how to test for and diagnose these problems.Maybe
we require a physical every now and then for our political leaders. We do for
President I know. And no medical doctor I know of has diagnosed Trump as
mentally ill. Just media and the political hacks. They aren't doctors.
Just politically obsessed.
You remove him from office, by any means possible. Impeachment, 25th amendment,
You know she's lost it when she pays millions to produce dirt on an
opponent, then lies about it, and then accuses her opponent of doing the very
things she has done.
We know they have lost it when they file the paperwork to run.Public
office is the most underpaid, under appreciated job you can have. Why would
anyone want it?City Council or County Commissioner for 60 hours per
week $30k per year to be criticized non stop by the public.
The fact is, the caucus/convention system generally does a very good job of
avoiding these problems, as well as the problems of crackpots with lots of money
or name recognition. Close personal interactions with delegates over several
weeks is a pretty good safeguard.An unusual confluence of events hit
us in 2014 with the one-time extended term of the office to 6 years (to shift to
the Presidential election years) and an incumbent who ran unopposed in
convention. The problem will increase with longer life spans and
many people remaining healthy later in life, and with Buy My Vote allowing
candidates to obtain party nominations without any personal interactions at all.
So clearly some process is needed to remove an incapacitated official.Keep it simple. A two-thirds vote of the Utah House of Representatives would
require the official to submit to a couple of medical examinations over the
course of a couple of weeks. The examining physician, along with any other
expert witnesses would present findings to the Utah Senate who would vote on
removing the official. Basically impeachment without any allegation of
wrongdoing, just incapacity.
This needs careful attention; there undoubtedly is a gray ( of varying hues )
area that makes objective analysis difficult. Each case will have it's
differences as well as similarities. The potential for political dynamite exists
and increases as level of political responsibility increases. When do
'senior moments' reach critical mass ?
Why base it on age? There are many politicians that are clueless at any age.