Jay Evensen: How do we know when a politician has lost it?

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  • DarthMaul Vernal, UT
    Oct. 28, 2017 2:07 a.m.

    On the very second he was found in an incoherent state of mind along the side of the highway?

  • airnaut Everett, WA
    Oct. 26, 2017 12:46 p.m.

    Jay Evensen: How do we know when a politician has lost it?

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    Not sure.

    But I do know one thing --

    Trump should learn something from Mr. Gary Ott - and I mean this in all seriousness...

    Have a good effective staff that can do his job for him,
    and then keep him out of the office, out of the public, and take away his twitter account....

  • Barney Google Beaver, UT
    Oct. 25, 2017 10:09 p.m.

    Re: "How do we know when a politician has lost it?".
    How's this; They don't show up to work for months and their co-workers cover for them.

  • Howard Beal Provo, UT
    Oct. 25, 2017 10:02 p.m.

    So the caucus thing would have saved us from the Ott fiasco. I don't know NoNamesAccepted, that seems a bit of a stretch. The caucus did nothing here. Ott wasn't a "Buy My Vote" candidate by any stretch, pretty much right in the middle of your caucus environment.

    It's just hard to know sometimes. It appears that even President Reagan was mentally diminished toward the end of his second term. But good effective people around any politician can run things relatively smoothly as we saw both with Ott's case and with Reagan for the most part, though there were a lot of scandals in the last part of Reagan's presidency and perhaps his diminished capacity led to that.

  • mightymite , 00
    Oct. 25, 2017 6:25 p.m.

    We are lining it now. Believe me we all know.

  • scrappy do DRAPER, UT
    Oct. 25, 2017 5:15 p.m.

    How do we know they ever had it... I have not run across too many lately

  • DavidMiller Bountiful, UT
    Oct. 25, 2017 3:27 p.m.

    We could reduce the risk of this issue by imposing term limits or simply voting for fresh faces regularly rather than perpetually sending the same people back to office time and time again.

  • 2 bits Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Oct. 25, 2017 3:24 p.m.

    Re: "How do we know when a politician has lost it?"...
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    IMO it requires a physician's diagnosis. You certainly don't determine it by consulting the media, the opinion page, or the political hacks out there. You certainly don't remove them from office when the political-hacks start calling for a politician's head (like the anti-Trump people who troll these pages every day).

    If we let the political-hacks determine when a politician has lost it... Everyone in Congress would be gone (89% of Americans think they are crazy). We would never have a President complete a term in office (they always end up offending partisan people of the other party sooner or later).

    I don't know a single President who hasn't been called crazy by a significant number of Americans (usually people from the other party).

    So we should not listen to hacks. We should listen to doctors who know how to test for and diagnose these problems.

    Maybe we require a physical every now and then for our political leaders. We do for President I know. And no medical doctor I know of has diagnosed Trump as mentally ill. Just media and the political hacks. They aren't doctors. Just politically obsessed.

  • The Real Maverick Spanish Fork, UT
    Oct. 25, 2017 12:41 p.m.

    You remove him from office, by any means possible. Impeachment, 25th amendment, etc.

  • HSTucker Holladay, UT
    Oct. 25, 2017 12:06 p.m.

    You know she's lost it when she pays millions to produce dirt on an opponent, then lies about it, and then accuses her opponent of doing the very things she has done.

  • Spoons lake tahoe, NV
    Oct. 25, 2017 10:49 a.m.

    We know they have lost it when they file the paperwork to run.

    Public office is the most underpaid, under appreciated job you can have. Why would anyone want it?

    City Council or County Commissioner for 60 hours per week $30k per year to be criticized non stop by the public.

  • NoNamesAccepted St. George, UT
    Oct. 25, 2017 10:22 a.m.

    The fact is, the caucus/convention system generally does a very good job of avoiding these problems, as well as the problems of crackpots with lots of money or name recognition. Close personal interactions with delegates over several weeks is a pretty good safeguard.

    An unusual confluence of events hit us in 2014 with the one-time extended term of the office to 6 years (to shift to the Presidential election years) and an incumbent who ran unopposed in convention.

    The problem will increase with longer life spans and many people remaining healthy later in life, and with Buy My Vote allowing candidates to obtain party nominations without any personal interactions at all. So clearly some process is needed to remove an incapacitated official.

    Keep it simple. A two-thirds vote of the Utah House of Representatives would require the official to submit to a couple of medical examinations over the course of a couple of weeks. The examining physician, along with any other expert witnesses would present findings to the Utah Senate who would vote on removing the official. Basically impeachment without any allegation of wrongdoing, just incapacity.

  • 1covey Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 25, 2017 9:26 a.m.

    This needs careful attention; there undoubtedly is a gray ( of varying hues ) area that makes objective analysis difficult. Each case will have it's differences as well as similarities. The potential for political dynamite exists and increases as level of political responsibility increases. When do 'senior moments' reach critical mass ?

  • toosmartforyou Kaysville, UT
    Oct. 25, 2017 9:14 a.m.

    Why base it on age? There are many politicians that are clueless at any age.