Dispatches from Jordan and Israel, part 1: Making Utah a premier global business destination

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  • marxist Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 24, 2017 2:52 p.m.

    @2bits "That's how we would probably learn more about their culture, by doing business with them."

    Well I hope you're right, but you know the west has been doing "business" with the middle east since the since the dawn of the oil age and in the process has made that part of the world the disaster it is today. And the Bloody British have been major players in wrecking the middle east, though we have done more than our share.

    So I think "doing business" is just not enough. We have to develop an interest in that part of world apart from economic gain. But I don't think our brand of capitalism, even Utah's brand, can do it. I sincerely hope I'm wrong because there's a whole lot at stake.

  • 2 bits Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Oct. 24, 2017 12:44 p.m.

    Business is not evil. Trade is not evil. Free trade is not evil. Capitalism is not evil (but some people involved are).

    Some Marxists in history have been evil and done bad things and even killed millions of people and put millions more into poverty begging for a loaf of bread from the government.

    So I'm OK with people doing business, even with people from other countries (Like Jordan).

    That's how we would probably learn more about their culture, by doing business with them.

    Political solutions will probably not gain traction until we have some common economic interests. So doing business with them is a good thing IMO.

    It's in everybody's interest to do business. Even with other countries.

    As you know... many political decisions are affected by economic interests. You probably wouldn't choose to nuke a country that constitutes a huge part of your nation's economy.

    That's why I don't think China wants to destroy America economically (which they could). Because we are one of their biggest business partners. Which keeps our government's on speaking terms.

  • 2 bits Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Oct. 24, 2017 10:04 a.m.

    Pretty pessimistic analysis.

    There's nothing wrong with building business ties with Jordan and other countries in the middle east.

    Most political solutions need a catalyst to make it in both parties interest. Sometimes that common bond is a business relationship, before a political relationship can develop.

    I see no problem in developing business relationships in these countries. It's a start. You know what they say about any journey that seems impossible.... You have to take the first step.

    This is a first step.

    Maybe we would learn the language and cultures in this part of the world if we had more relationships with them.

    We have more people in Utah who understand the language and culture than you may think. My son's best friend is Iranian and he speaks farsi. One of my father's best friends is Iranian. I have good friends from Iraq and Sudan. We have translators working at the National Guard linguistics center in Draper who speak the language and know the culture.

    We are not as cloistered as you think. Most Utahns speak at least 2 languages (from missions). Maybe LDS missionaries to Jordan someday? You never know.

  • marxist Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 24, 2017 6:49 a.m.

    "What do these two events have in common? They demonstrate Utah’s commitment, at the highest levels of government, to grow the Utah economy and share Utah’s economic message with the world."

    Sounds very noble, but just as an aside, will this enhance Utah's and America's understanding of the middle east and its various crises?

    Answer: it won't because Utahns, like the rest of America, do not understand the cultures and languages of that part of the world. So while we might well make a few more bucks from this adventure, we will contribute nothing to solving the grim situation in that part of the world.