Political parties merit support from Mormon millennials, not shrugs

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  • Justavenger Houston, TX
    Oct. 23, 2017 8:17 p.m.

    Youth is correct on parties and HuffPo and the author are wrong. Political parties and their agendas are what is troubling the Republic.

    Second if liberals are counting on young people to carry them to victory they are mistaken. Young people are idealist and have zero skin in the game, no kids, little taxes, small wages. Plus with zero life experience they are prime picking for the Marxist that control the left.

  • UtahBlueDevil Durham, NC
    Oct. 23, 2017 12:32 p.m.

    "But, despite their poor reputations, political parties aren’t so bad — in fact, they are an essential component of a healthy republic."

    Baloney. They are as needed as travel agents - we don't need them. There is no shortage of paths to get message out. We don't need some DC based organization telling Utahan's what is important to them. We don't need some committee telling candidates what they need to believe in.

    What millennials get is we live in a new economy where individuals can have a voice, and an expensive bureaucracies is needed to know what you believe in. We are in a world of Uber, and non-chain restaurants, airBnB, at commerce at the individual scale.

    We need these self promoting bureaucracies telling us what is important to us and how to vote like we need the government telling us what job we should take. No..... we don't need these parties at all.

  • Pssst LOGAN, UT
    Oct. 23, 2017 12:27 p.m.

    Do political parties deserve support from anyone at all? Mormon millennials like other LDS people, and non-LDS people are not excited about the parties. Hopefully we will vote for exceptional individuals not tweedlydum and tweedlydee parties. Do you see many exceptional individuals in the parties? Exactly.

  • Jayson Meline Chubbuck, ID
    Oct. 23, 2017 12:25 p.m.

    Democrats and Republicans enjoy a monopoly on US governance. The outcome:
    Since 1929, deficit has gone from 1 Billion to 440 Billion. The debt has gone from 17 Billion to 21.2 Trillion; or from 16% to 104% of GDP.

    Since 1964, the statistical poverty rate stood roughly at 19%. The outcome is a mere decrease of 4.2 percent over 50 years. 15% of the US population today is on food stamps compared to 8% in 1975.

    The average cost of healthcare per person was $146 annually in 1960. It is now $10,345. It cost 2% of a person’s income for healthcare in 1960. Today it takes 19% of a person’s income for healthcare.

    Since 1978, the cost of a college education has increased %1,120; while wage growth is currently at 2.95%

    The evidence is clear: Democrats and Republicans have failed, period. The two parties have been and will continue to be bad for America. Their ideology has been proven false.
    Millenials and all generations live with the consequences of Democratic and Republican choices. We simply need to go in a different direction with a new approach. The two parties want to maintain the status quo of proven failure.

  • 1covey Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 23, 2017 10:10 a.m.

    You can blame the GOP for not dealing with Obamacare; but, remember that effort was derailed by only a few Republicans. We got Obamacare because of the Democrats; not one Republican voted for it. And the Democrats failed to fund it adequately; Obama provided needed funding by executive order, flouting the US Constitution. At least Trump corrected that problem. Now Congress has incentive to accept their responsibility to act, one way or another. There has always been rancor between the parties; it's particularly toxic at the moment; and news media has almost always been partisan( it's just particularly annoying when they claim they're not; but, their partisanship is blatantly obvious ). It is every voters responsibility to dig out the best information they can and vote. That is our country's best chance; and don't expect to have a 'perfect' candidate running for office. Romney was the best example at the Presidential candidate - and look what the media and the opposition party did to him. The public, generally speaking, is part of the problem. We're getting what the majority voted for. We need a better quality majority. Start building one, now.

  • Kent C. DeForrest Provo, UT
    Oct. 23, 2017 10:06 a.m.

    "Political parties merit support from Mormon millennials" . . . except the Republicans. Why does a party that wants to keep punishing the poor, the elderly, and the disabled in order to give tax cuts to the wealthy merit anything except scorn (and big donations from billionaires)?

    The GOP's new "tax reform" is a bigger joke than their health-care antics. The estimates are in: a middle-class family might get $660 back, while the top 1 percent will get $129,000. And of course the debt will soar. But Republicans only care about that when the Democrats are in power. How do you spell hypocrisy? I spell it R-E-P-U-B-L-I-C-A-N.

    Why do so many Utah voters not see through the sham? A tax cut when the economy is doing well and unemployment is very low? The GOP keeps trying to sell these tax cuts with bogus claims about outlandish economic growth. And Utah voters keep buying it and voting against their own interests. How much money do they think the wealthy really need?

  • marxist Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 23, 2017 9:33 a.m.

    Mr Boyd's remarks seem very off the mark in a one party culture with that party flirting with authoritarianism it not outright fascism. He means well I'm sure but he should have another look.

  • milquetoasty Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 23, 2017 8:44 a.m.

    Yet another letter from the boomer generation admonishing millennials.

    Remind me, which generation wrecked the economy?

    Which generation was able to start a family, buy a house, with a minimum wage job?

    Which generation borrowed more than they ever could (or even intended) to pay back?

    Enjoy retirement boomers! You may be the last generation to get it.

  • furymouse Draper, UT
    Oct. 23, 2017 7:44 a.m.

    Why align myself with a political party when they do not align with my political beliefs? Vote for policy not party.

  • Hutterite American Fork, UT
    Oct. 23, 2017 7:37 a.m.

    You may be a bit cynical of the merit of supporting political parties if your entire life has been in a culture of supporting political party (singular) merited or not.

  • Y Ask Y Provo, UT
    Oct. 23, 2017 7:30 a.m.

    A wordy lecture telling millennials what they "should" do...

    That will get 'em out to vote!

  • It Begins In Utah Logan, UT
    Oct. 23, 2017 3:32 a.m.

    I'm amazed at the wisdom and insight portrayed by the millennial generation. They see through the game and want something better. When they go to the voting booth, they find two parties offering either the same-old, or something even worse.

    The millennials will respond to members of political parties, whether Republicans, Democrats, or another party all together, when they see someone who is both honest and passionate, someone who is inclusive and effective. Until then, they'll end up feeling like they are forced to play a game where they lose no matter what. That isn't good for anyone.

  • ChiMed South Jordan, UT
    Oct. 22, 2017 7:46 p.m.

    This article seems to falsely assume that getting is millenials to vote will change things. This ignores the problem of why Utah Mormon millenials don't vote much. I remember when I was at BYU and they closed the school down to force us to go to caucus. Over half of the people in my apartment couldn't participate because they weren't Utah residents, and EVERYONE else came back feeling disenfranchised. Our schedules uniformly did not allow us to be delegates, and the delegates refused to communicate with us, so we had NO voice candidate or platform selection. When candidates emerged, they pandered to extremist delegates, so they had no connection to what we cared about. This has been universal at all caucuses I have attended. Even nationally, the apathetic response you got was an extension of an almost universal hatred among millenials I know in 3 states for both major party presidential candidates. Most of us give up and stay home because the "two evils" we have to choose between both seem too evil to choose the lesser one. If you want us involved, let us participate and allow moderate voices.

  • majmajor Layton, UT
    Oct. 22, 2017 6:50 p.m.

    No political party "deserves" anything. When a party fails to represent the individual's interests, or loses trust it "deserves" to fail. I support Individuals that most closely represents my views, and has the ability to build the relationships to move the country in that direction.

    For example:
    - Hatch used to mostly represent me, and worked with the other party, but lost that capability when Kennedy died. If a more capable candidate shows up, I would support him/her.

    - Lee has established himself as incapable of building relationships other then finding others that hate everything, and seems to care more about outside contributor's. It is easy to find political cowards that refuse to support anything. He is an expert in the art of the deal.. getting to "no!"

    - The Democratic candidates seem to be more interested in getting money from Hollywood then representing Utah.

    As for Trump, I will vote for several 3rd party candidates before I would ever vote for the twitter-in-chief.

    Over the last several years neither party "deserves" much support. They are more supportive of their left or right wing crazies then the best interests of the country.

  • Aggie238 Logan, UT
    Oct. 22, 2017 5:33 p.m.

    I think the author makes some good points. There is value to joining with people of like mind to accomplish political goals. That being said, there's danger when only a few parties control the levers of power, and inevitably utilize that power to lock less powerful parties out of the political process. Perhaps if the two major parties, which do a poor job of representing anyone, let alone Millennials, were able to be reined in, opening up the process to smaller but more responsive parties, we would see more participation from Millennials.

  • Doug10 Roosevelt, UT
    Oct. 22, 2017 4:50 p.m.

    Sorry the current two party system does not allow the parties to work things out.

    When Pres Obama was elected Senator Hatch went into ....one term president mode, and he voted against every single democratic idea, thus rendering him of no use to his constituents. We did pay him 1.1 million dollars while he acted like a spoiled child for 4 years.

    He followed up those four years being a leading cheerleader for the party of NO. Again he really showed his colors by being unable to cooperate or put forth a bill of merit. Four more years and another 1.1 million down the drain with nothing to show.

    Either the man was wrong or the party was wrong.
    The author seems to think the party system is right.

    Hatch had 5+ years to work on and fix Obamacare. Now we hear crickets because even though the promises were great, they had no plan past repeal.

    Just when we thought, here it comes, we are going to be saved from the insurance companies they try to hand the voters a worse package than what they had already.

    67% of voters opposed that and 95% of our senators voted for it. Are we suppose to forgive and forget .......daily?

    By the way please refund the 2 mill.

  • Danny Chipman Lehi, UT
    Oct. 22, 2017 4:26 p.m.

    Today's political parties don't deserve my support.

  • Say No to BO Mapleton, UT
    Oct. 22, 2017 3:43 p.m.

    The party members don't support one another.

    The elected officials ignore the platform.

    The voter is treated like dirt the day after the election until about 6 months before the next election.

    What could possibly go wrong?

  • cjb Bountiful, UT
    Oct. 22, 2017 3:39 p.m.

    Saying a political party merits your support is a little like saying a hammer merits your support.

    A hammer can enable a person to do good if it is used properly. Likewise a political party.

  • jws34 Meridian, ID
    Oct. 22, 2017 3:03 p.m.

    You are correct, the current political parties do not merit a shrug. They merit a complete dismantling and reset. The two parties we have now are so intertwined with money, corruption and the thirst for power they have convinced us as a populace that we NEED them and the democratic process would not work with out them. There is the great lie. They have driven us to the extreme left and right and disenfranchised the majority of us who just want to be in the middle, live a good life and allow the same for others according to their own conscience.

  • shamrock Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 22, 2017 2:53 p.m.

    I suspect most millennials are turned off not by political parties per se, but by politicians who are more loyal to their party than to principle. When so many politicians claim to revere honesty, service and patriotism, but refuse to criticize or even comment on a fellow party-member's bad conduct, our young people are quick to note the hypocrisy ... and rightly so.

  • marxist Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 22, 2017 2:27 p.m.

    @Their resulting article, titled “Millennial Mormons Abandon Political Labels In The Age Of Trump,...”

    And why wouldn't they? In any place where LDS are in the majority the only electable candidates are those of the Republican Party. But that party in the age of Trump becomes increasingly obnoxious to many especially millennials.

    So we have an very sad and intractable situation. One wonders where we will end up.

  • 8 eight times Provo, UT
    Oct. 22, 2017 1:54 p.m.

    I'm of the opinion that political parties are the undoing of our republic, not helps to our republic. Washington hoped we'd eliminate party spirit, and I often wonder how the physical form can be expected to live when its spirit is dead, unless Washington had political zombies in mind.
    We need to stop being boxed in to bad ideas. Our inspired founders were right. We are wrong. Let's align with them. Let's figure out a way to do this that doesn't divide us into groups of "ites," instead laying out our values, principles, positions, and policies À la carte so we can vote for an individual on his or her own merits, without them being able to hide behind a platform they may or may not actually agree with. And let's fire those elected when they compromise and act without integrity concerned the things they represented themselves as holding dear.
    I, for one, would rather be partially disenfranchised by our corrupt political system by registering as unaffiliated than to be part of the partisan problem. If enough people end political parties, political parties will end, but we've got to replace them with something better, not something worse.

  • 10CC Bountiful, UT
    Oct. 22, 2017 9:38 a.m.

    As we outsiders watch Republicans attack each other with vigor and utter ruthlessness, maybe its time to give the Founding Fathers' concerns another look.

    Politicians are often considered on the same level as used car salesmen, lawyers, are viewed as opportunists - at best - they're unquestionably liars or at least skilled in the art of avoiding uncomfortable questions (for them).

    In an age where more & more parts of our workforces are displaced by technology, maybe it's time to look at how our political processes can be made more responsive to *us*.

    Why must we self-select into groups of other people we might not agree with most of the time, anyway? Why can't issues be decided by informed voters directly, instead of relying on gatekeepers to political power that spend most of their time attacking each other?

    America is a nation that has been unafraid to take on difficult issues and move forward.

    Maybe it's time to do so again, and re-think how and why we're shackled by this corrosive system that turns us against each other, and come up with something better, while keeping our freedoms and rights under the Constitution.