BYU football: Ty Detmer using different approach in hopes of producing better results

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  • BlueHusky Mission Viejo, CA
    Oct. 18, 2017 12:10 p.m.

    20+ injuries make a difference. 2 or 3 guys from last year's offense are playing pro ball. Wide receives of last year are gone this year. Stupid to expect BYU to be competitive against that schedule. Washington, USC, Utah, would all be bruised by that schedule.

    In addition, Sitake has had one (1) full recruiting class. They're playing a lot of freshmen. And Bronco did no recruit the year before. It will take all of this year and probably another to get BYU fully up to speed.

    Bronco sucked at UVA last year. This year he's 6-1. Granted, BYU would probably be 6-1 agains that schedule, but Bronco is 6-1 and BYU is 1-6. So lets cool our jets and let Sitake get his guys in the house. But Don't look for the schedule to lighten up. It is still pretty brutal for the next few years ... Washington, USC, Tennessee (I'm going to that game ... I love Tennessee (the state)). BYU is playing big boys and will have to step up. Maybe a few less top 20 teams would be welcome, at least in the near term.

  • Oh Really? HERRIMAN, UT
    Oct. 18, 2017 4:40 a.m.

    @what to do.

    You are right. BYU may not win 7 games next year, either.

  • General Alpine, UT
    Oct. 17, 2017 8:27 p.m.

    Maybe coach Detmer can set an example for his team of hard work by getting in shape physically. As he works hard maybe they will.

  • idablu Idaho Falls, ID
    Oct. 17, 2017 5:59 p.m.

    @london_josh

    You’re right. It’s mediocrity, not independence, that’s not sustainable.
    But just what direction do you think this team is heading? Mediocrity would be an improvement.
    And by the way, being a good fan does NOT mean you can’t be critical. Not all fans are morons as you seem to think. And on behalf of the many fans who have donated thousands or tens of thousands of dollars to Byu football, I believe we have a right to opine on their performance. And I know Sitake would agree with me.

  • london_josh lincoln, CA
    Oct. 17, 2017 2:03 p.m.

    BYU fans demanded a new system for better results.

    This is called growing pains.

    I expect some improvement next year, not a lot, but some.

    In any case, I'm a fan of Ty Detmer and Kalani Sitaki, I'm a fan of BYU, I don't care so much about the losses, and I agree that the fair weather BYU fans are far more obnoxious than the Ute trolls.

    If you are a fan, be a fan, and if you aren't a fan I'd rather that you never be a fan again. If I'm right 5 years from now BYU will be an explosive offensive team with some big wins making regular noise on the field. All these naysayers will be hypocrites with blue t-shirts wearing the hypocrisy of their whining during this transition.

    Maybe BYU goes bowling, maybe they don't, I personally am glad for the coaching change and hope this works out to bring BYU above the mediocrity that isn't sustainable.

    People don't realize, it's not independence that's unsustainable, it's mediocrity!

  • Ghost Writer GILBERT, AZ
    Oct. 17, 2017 1:37 p.m.

    It's true that being a great player does not automatically translate into being a great coach -- and that jump from high school to division 1 college is obviously a big one.

  • Down under Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 17, 2017 1:11 p.m.

    If Detmer is wondering why the Cougars are not winning he needs to look no further than his play calling. He is not the offensive mind he was cracked up to be under pressure.

  • GrandFah Claremont, CA
    Oct. 17, 2017 12:51 p.m.

    Wayne Gretzky learned that playing at the highest competitive level does not guarantee success in coaching. The greatest goal scorer in professional hockey history was 141-163-24 as a coach and his teams never made the playoffs. Maybe Ty gets one more year to build a system that is realistic about the talent available. The O-Line hasn't blown open any holes in the past two years. Jamaal and Taysom made their own opportunity. BYU doesn't have someone with that capability now and so they have to adjust.

  • FT salt lake city, UT
    Oct. 17, 2017 11:16 a.m.

    Somewhere Bronco is saying "I told you so".

  • vasislos Holbrook, AZ
    Oct. 17, 2017 10:33 a.m.

    I hold the fair-weather BYU fan in somewhat less esteem than I do the Ute trolls. It is a tough year and it is felt by the coaches and players more than any fan. Some fans seem to think that BYU football is responsible for their personal happiness.
    This are the same coaches with whom we were so excited after they came within a few points of a perfect season.
    Give them time to fully implement their system. If BYU still struggles, then look for new coaches. Even Crowton was given two more years after he posted the first losing season in forever for the Cougs. OK, the result was two more losing seasons. That and other factors brought in Bronco who took BYU to a bowl game every year he was here. The right man at the right time.
    We survived the three losing seasons under Crowton and we will survive this. I have faith enough in the current staff that I want them to have the FULL amount of time they need to show what they can do. Or cannot do, at which point a change will be in order.

    And to our good friends, the Ute trolls: BYU will not drop down to DII, will not drop football, will not continue to lose, and will someday soon get back into the habit of beating the Utes.

  • Gone outback Australia, 00
    Oct. 17, 2017 9:10 a.m.

    Studies have shown that demonstrative, outbursts of anger are proven to provide lasting motivation and long-term changes in improved behavior.

  • skywalker Palo Alto, CA
    Oct. 17, 2017 9:02 a.m.

    Juice Box

    Was Utah's September success due to better play, or because the quality of opponents was so low?

  • Juice Box Eureka, UT
    Oct. 17, 2017 8:20 a.m.

    So.. when BYU wins this week is it because of Ty Detmer? Or because the quality of opponent is so low?

    I bet the DNews will give the credit to Ty Detmer.

  • thebigsamoan Richmond, VA
    Oct. 17, 2017 7:45 a.m.

    These are tough times indeed for our Cougars! But let's be patient and keep cheering and supporting them. Let's not be too overly critical and start calling for drastic changes. Patience is a virtue! Things will get better so let's be positive and keep supporting our coaches and our players. The last thing they need is for us fans to give up and loose faith in them now. Let's weather the storm and wait for the sun to rise again.

    Looking forward to this Saturday against East Carolina! Got great seats and my lungs are healthy ready to cheer!

    Go Cougars!!!

  • What To Do Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 17, 2017 7:03 a.m.

    It’s great that Detmer shows up now - heading into the weakest part of the season or should we say the portion of the season where BYU is equally match with other teams who are 1 and 6. This is how it goes every year, the real team walk on BYU, then BYU coaches “fix things” and WOW their winning. - “only if we would have found this earlier in the season” yah right!

    The fact is the AD, head coach and Detmer are all over their collective heads. The kids are all good guys, and decent talent, but they are not the teams of the past. The really good players have over looked BYU and moved on to Utah and other PAC 12 or Power conference teams.

    BYU would do well to stop this hard soft schedule that they have developed over the past couple of years. It is doing nothing for the program, other than making a once great team the laughing stock of the NCAA. They should fire the AD and get into a conference, but their little cougar tail between their legs and ask forgiveness to the MWC and see if they can go back home. BYU should have learned from this that it is better to be a big fish in a small pond that the whipping boy in a big pond.

    If you think this year is bad, do the math - next year?

  • ute alumni Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 17, 2017 6:55 a.m.

    Lots of football experts on the site. Wow. Thanks guys for your little league commentaries. So enlightening. So how I think these coaches, that actually played at high levels, not peewee leagues will get this in the right track. Every programs have down years. I actually went to Utah games back in the days you couldn’t give their tickets away and they beat BYU once in 20 years.

  • robin138 springfield, VA
    Oct. 17, 2017 5:53 a.m.

    You can go from tough to less tough in leadership, but you can't go the reverse direction. He has failed.

  • cjd1 Draper, UT
    Oct. 17, 2017 2:43 a.m.

    Too little, too late.

  • gdog3finally West Jordan, Utah
    Oct. 17, 2017 2:29 a.m.

    With BYU's schedule, a bowl game was a given. 'Was' being the operative word. Still, looking at the next six games, maybe Fresno State presents a problem. But if I had to place a bet, BYU wins out and half the fan base sings whoopee, while the other half who pay more attention has as many questions about next year as they do now.

  • worf McAllen, TX
    Oct. 17, 2017 1:37 a.m.

    Worf's cure for next years BYU football team:

    * get a JC running back
    * get 2 JC offensive linemen
    * replace two offensive coaches

  • estreetshuffle Window Rock, AZ
    Oct. 17, 2017 12:49 a.m.

    I've always thought the coaching staff was too nice. We need some Rodger French and Frank Kush type coaches to kick some behinds.

  • Cbsqt Kelso, WA
    Oct. 17, 2017 12:22 a.m.

    Basic problem is we do not have receivers who will catch the ball. Matthews and predecessors made the catches. Not one receiver can be counted on to catch the ball.

  • Mack2828 Ft Thomas, KY
    Oct. 16, 2017 11:15 p.m.

    Sad.

  • steve24/7 Sandy, UT
    Oct. 16, 2017 9:53 p.m.

    Sounds like Detmer is really rubbing off on Neil Pau'u with all of the "kind of's" in his quote.

    I'm glad Ty raised his voice and got their attention. I think he needs to do that a lot more, and during games too, both when they do well and also when they screw up. LaVell held his emotions in check most of the time but his assistants didn't. No more Mr Nice Guy, get these players to step up!

  • SIMPLICITY Denver, CO
    Oct. 16, 2017 9:53 p.m.

    Why are byu fans so disillusioned about their football team? The problems are not: "they aren't executing," "they aren't disciplined," "they lack passion," etc, etc... The blatantly obvious problem is the team lacks depth and sorely lacks talent or skill players. They only have one player going to the NFL, Fred Warner the LB and he is awesome. This is the their reality, difficult but true.

    Within 2-4 years Sitake will be the Defensive Line Coach at Utah. Ty Detmer, the deserved legend and Heisman winner that he is, will be back retired in Texas. Kyle Whittingham will be retired and Morgan Scalley will be the head coach at Utah.

    Byu will bounce back, but this year is futile. Byu could go 1-11.

  • Ghost Writer GILBERT, AZ
    Oct. 16, 2017 9:50 p.m.

    More emotional pep talks are not going to do the trick. In division 1 football, there is no substitute for execution, precision, and creativity. There is plenty of talent on BYU's football team. I'm just a fan, but as I've watched BYU's offense, it seems that the other teams have our offense pretty much figured out. If our offense was effective, I have no doubt that the defense, which spends way too much time on the field, would suddenly look pretty darned tough.

  • Deanvrtc Vancouver, WA
    Oct. 16, 2017 9:06 p.m.

    Even if BYU were to win every remaining game, (highly doubtful) the team and fans have lost any confidence in his ability. I can't see any way to regain that confidence this year with our remaining opponents as bad as we/they are. Waiting until next year to assess any progress is equal to a recruiting disaster, already in progress. Detmer has to go....its too late for any motivational speeches. That should have been done after Portland State.

  • Crazy in California Acampo, CA
    Oct. 16, 2017 8:58 p.m.

    The players are literally dropping the ball.

    Detmer isn't trying to light a fire to play hard, he is trying to get them to execute.

    The players know that this is the foundation of the problem.

    That's why they respect Detmer's getting more in their faces.

    The players either don't know how to learn the schemes or they don't have the discipline to run them.

  • SoonerUte Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 16, 2017 8:18 p.m.

    Supposedly a world-wide fan base of millions, and a history of successful alumni, but Detmer is alone on an island.

    Nobody can help him out? Lunch with Steve Young? A conference call with Andy Reid? Any Norm Chow playbooks in the archives? Maybe a support group for pro-style offenses in college?

  • mightymite , 00
    Oct. 16, 2017 8:08 p.m.

    The coaching staff is in over its head. Sitake is a good coordinator but not a good head coach - nothing wrong with that there are many coaches in that boat. Cleaning house is in order.

  • Brave Sir Robin San Diego, CA
    Oct. 16, 2017 7:57 p.m.

    @fatherof7

    "Best think Kalani Sitaki could do is to shut the media out of any football conversation, interviews, and post game conferences with players and coaches until the season is over."

    But then what would Dick Harmon do for a living?

  • Sanefan Wellsville, UT
    Oct. 16, 2017 6:50 p.m.

    Too little, to late. I for one would like to see them lose out and have the whole program re-evaluated. I think the coaching staff reflects the "Peter Principle" and the team reflects the coaching staffs lack of ability to produce.

  • Henry Drummond San Jose, CA
    Oct. 16, 2017 6:25 p.m.

    I think things are about to turn around. Five of the remaining six games are against teams ranked in the bottom twenty-five:

    East Caroline (125th)
    San Jose State (127th)
    Fresno State (64th)
    UNLV (105th)
    UMass (121st)
    Hawaii (124th).

    BYU is 110th by the way.

    The only trouble is that BYU doesn't seem to really know what the problem is. That's not good.

  • idablu Idaho Falls, ID
    Oct. 16, 2017 6:23 p.m.

    So the offense is going to start producing now because he got mad at the players? Really?
    The problems on offense run far deeper than just lack of fire from the players...

  • idablu Idaho Falls, ID
    Oct. 16, 2017 6:23 p.m.

    So the offense is going to start producing now because he got mad at the players? Really?
    The problems on offense run far deeper than just lack of fire from the players...

  • SpÄter73 Hughson, CA
    Oct. 16, 2017 5:44 p.m.

    I will give credit where credit is due. Scheduling the Portland game kept us from starting out 0-6. Now that was a brilliant scheduling move.

  • fatherof7 Phelan, CA
    Oct. 16, 2017 5:29 p.m.

    Best think Kalani Sitaki could do is to shut the media out of any football conversation, interviews, and post game conferences with players and coaches until the season is over.

  • Red Corvette St George, UT
    Oct. 16, 2017 5:21 p.m.

    Desperate times call for desperate measures. Detmer is desperate, and rightly so. Anyone else would lose their job and so should he.

  • Dan Smith , AZ
    Oct. 16, 2017 4:47 p.m.

    I'm not buying into this. Wait until all the hard teams are over then "Light a fire under the team to get them playing better" Miraculously, BYU wins against a 1-6 East Carolina team, then maybe a win against a currently 1-7 San Jose St. Team. Then we can all cheer and beat our chests because Ty Detmer "lit a fire under the team." Please.

    This talk should have happened after the LSU game with not crossing the 50. That's when this talk should have happened.