Tears streaming down my eyes, laughing at all these comments!BYU is
bad at football- that the funniest thing I’ve ever read!I am
so happy and relieved.
My biggest surprise is what a complete bust Mangum turned out to be. His
freshman year he looked to be a record setter in the making. Since then he has
been terrible. Not sure what his problem is but at this point BYU really has no
other options. BYU is really crashing as a football program...perhaps the
reality of being an independent has finally sunk in? Let's say next year
and the year after are more of the same ... it makes you wonder if BYU and the
Church will be content allowing the football program to be a laughing stock of
college football OR if they just pull the plug. I actually think all athletics
at BYU will die if football dies since that is where all the $$ comes from. Even
the most argent and faithful BYU Funnel Cake eaters will stop attending games
unless the tickets are $5 a seat.
A couple of things BYU fans should avoid in the coming seasons:1.
Don't make unrealistic predictions such as a 10-3 season prior to the
season starting. It's sets the expectations too high for Cougar fans. I
think if you check DN articles prior to the season starting, there were
countless articles and speculations about the predictions for BYU prior to the
year starting. Just let the season play out and see where you are.2. Stop comparing your team to the Utes. You're independent, and the
Utes are in the PAC-12. The Utes play at least 9 P5 teams a year in conference
play, which the competition being much more fierce than BYU playing 4-6 P5 teams
during the season. The point is, it's not an apples to apples comparison.
7 in a row and 12 out of 15 in favor of the Utes should be the main indication.
Frankly, I don't like playing BYU because we've moved on. The
"rivalry" has become too contentious and bitter. As soon as our
scheduled games run out, then stick a fork in it.....it should be done.
Besides, I don't think BYU likes the continuing losing end of the game.
That's not coming from a position of arrogance, it's just the reality
Eastern CO CougYou echo my thoughts exactly. Not taking any
chances just to protect your QB’s fragile confidence is utterly
ridiculous.If Detmer feels like he needs to do that, then he absolutely
has the wrong QB and he has no business being an offensive coordinator.
Just a thought that the lack of live play in the preseason was a huge mistake.
They barely beat an 0-6 Portland State. Pretty scary outlook for the rest of
the season I am afraid. Looks like the defense is wearing down or something.
No DL line push or OL push. Time to bench a few folks including Magnum. The
coaches lack of confidence to throw on third and long is pathetic. What in the
world do you have to lose at this point in the season and in any point in the
game? Why run it repeatedly on third and long? Why not even try? If they have
no confidence in Magnum's health or ability let somebody else throw it on
3rd and long? Ridiculous play calling continues. Tired of watching the
safeties being out of place and being burned game after game.
Careful BYU fans. Don't chalk up a win over San Jose St. yet.Regardless of their record this season, they own you.
@Cougar Forever and What to do—Don’t kid yourself. None
of the games on the remaining schedule are “certain wins.”
We’re talking about a team whose offense is dead last in FBS football, and
whose defense is around the 30 percentile. I don’t think the statistics
back up the assertion that those teams are worse than BYU.I admire
your optimism, though.
This team is not going to any bowl game this year and they certainly do not
deserve to ... This could be the worst cougar football team in 50 yrs. Crowton
was run out of Provo and he never had a season even close to this bad ....
Upcoming losses to ECU , Fresno St. And Hawaii .. I would also not be surprised
if UNLV takes it to them .... Time to clean house if there is any hope for the
future of Cougar Football .....
No team who has a losing record should be proud of going to a bowl game. A
winning record means something. Going to a bowl game with a losing record does
not make up for the losing record.
It may be time to throw Holmoe and his hire, Detmer, under the bus. Let Sitake
hire his own OC and see what happens. Can't be worse, can it?
Holmoe's Horrors continue to lose quality recruits... and games. Bad
decisions have consequences.
Well I have said it before and will keep saying it. The cougs have been over
matched all season long. The AD has placed the team in the position, yes the
coaches are not together, it was clear that was going to be the case when Detmer
was hired. That should have never happened. The kids are great group
of guys, not as talented in the past, but because of the decision to be
irrelevant by going independent the talent has all gone to power conferences and
teams that compete in them - yes like Utah! You have to admit that the two teams
have continued to go in completely separate directions over the past 7 to 8
years. It is all due to the schedule they play and the conference or lack of
conference they are in.Next week the struggling cougars will play a
team with a similar record East Carolina. Then San Jose State, and UMass. BYU
should win. But lets not start the chest beating and say "the team is back,
here we come, we just needed to correct a few things". The fact is these
teams are really bad and have been scheduled specifically to give BYU a Bowl
opportunity which is not deserved this year!The other three games
Fresno, UNLV and Hawaii will be a toss up at best! 5 and 7
What hurts more, losing by a point at games end, in it all the way, or losing by
25 points a game that was lost before it started by the attitude of just trying
to not lose by too big a blowout? That's Utah and BYU football on this
Saturday. Cougars are suffering from some malaise that has to do
with more than athletic ability, and need to repent of their pride, their fears,
and self-defeating behaviors, (penalties, mistakes, playing too
conservatively, playing injured QB when healthy one (Critchlow) is available.
Utes need to learn how to get the D off the field, work on
conditioning, and stay cool under pressure. It is good that they keep taking
chances to win the game.Football as with all sports can be character
building. Nice to have a few victories, sugar that helps the medicine go down.
Very seldom does an injured player help more than hurt a team.
Like I said last week..it is time to look for another head coach and assistants.
Sitake should never have been hired as the head coach. He stinks. Detmer
should never have been hired as the offensive coordinator...he is offensive to
what was and stinks. I am not surprised that recruits are leaving and going
elsewhere. Tom Holmoe should be fired. He pushed for this deplorably failed
hiring.Cougar football is an embarrassment. Tanner should have been
benched. He gets nervous when he is pressured and throws the ball into the
ground. He isn't a scrambler. Sorry, but he stinks as well; and his
receivers, although good athletes can't catch a ball even when it hits them
in both hands...they stink. Please get rid of Sitake, he's way over his
We almost certainly will go to a bowl game (even with a 6-7 record) but it
won't alleviate much of the pain incurred this season. Remaining games:
At ECU -- certain win. San Jose State at home -- certain
win. At Fresno State -- toss-up. At UNLV -- likely win
(but possibly a tougher game than many of us initially thought). UMass at home -- certain win (although we actually may have to do more than
just show up against UMass in view of how closely they kept it against
Tennessee). At Hawaii -- likely win. 7-6 is a reasonable
expectation. 6-7 may be more likely. But, again, it is highly probable that
there will not be enough 0.500 and above teams to fill all the bowl slots and
even if we end the season at 6-7 a bowl berth is virtually assured if we want
For anyone interested. Portland State is now 0-6.
I have not read the posts. Do not want to. Was at the game today and that is
not the BYU teams of old. Something is a miss. There is talent there but they
look like they do not care or have no sense of urgency. Firing on 2
cylinders.I love the coaches but when you are down 24 points and you
run 3 run plays knowing you can not run on them and then punt to me this is a
roll over dead plan. We need a team to fight and scratch and go for it. I
would rather throw the ball and get some yards and maybe intercept than run 3
plays for 2 yards each and punt. Try please. The fans would like that. Go out
swinging not tripping. Something needs to change. Either players or
coaches but both to me looked like they did not care. Being a fan for 40+ years
this is not my BYU team. Time to take stock and have a come to Kalani meeting.
For all the BYU-p fans that are claiming that they'll just win out and are
giddy about playing six of those teams and make a bowl,remember you ARE one of
There may be a couple high school teams in rural Montana that tackle worse than
the Cougs but it cannot be said for sure. I've never seen so many
half-hearted tackle attempts at the college level. This team is as soft as lemon
meringue pie.Ghanwoloku should have run those interceptions back a
lot further than he did. With that offense, you can't be holding the ball
with both hands like you're Bronco Nagurski.
byufootballrocks: Some of BYU's situation can be forgiven as over 30
players have been injured this year in ways that caused them to miss games i am sure many teams have many more players out this year and are still
playing a decent game. Your depth chart should be able to cover a few minor
injuries. That is what they are for. I am sorry this is just an excuse that
has been used to many times and its the wrong reason for lack of good play.
Nothing more to add here.
It's a disappointing season, but those who take some sort of pride in
kicking a team that's down are pathetic. Utah is up on USC
right now, that's impressive, but these ute fans, rather than watch their
game, want to talk about how BYU's season is over. We all know
that BYU's season is over. No real fan expected a win today, so
enough about the outrage, at least we scored twice. Anyway,
I'll still cheering BYU on, I think they'll see a bowl game. I also
think that ty and kalini will yet be very successful coaches.
Hopefully they can built on this and win some games now that the cupcake portion
of the season is coming up.
Did Branco see this coming and that's why he bailed? At least we have
Cosmo to entertain and keep us in the spotlight. In fact, Cosmo may need to join
Sitake on the recruiting trips. That should help secure a few.
Yes it should say Kama'aina (Guess I'm not Hawaiian :) ) So what to
say? I've thought that being an independent, with the contract extension
with ESPN looming in the near future, that BYU needed a stellar yr....guess that
won't be happening. I think the world of Sitake, Detmer and the rest of
the coaches but something's definitely missing. Someone mentioned 30 hurt
players...is that true? Anyway, this is a slow death for BYU football.
Recruits leaving, conference rejection, maybe it's a sign? If Ricks
(BYU-Idaho) and BYU-HI don't deserve to have sports and the culture it
brings (so money can be spent elsewhere), maybe the double standard should end
and BYU Provo should not have them either.
Dumpster fire is saying it nicely. At least those are contained. byu is so bad
it’s getting out of control. Lol.
yeah, memphis was soooo upset they won the bowl game, that they started a fight
with the losing team!! nacua got what he deserved
Tough loss for BYU, for the good news is the schedule softeners
CaliCougar - American Fork, UTOct. 14, 2017 3:07 p.m.When does
basketball season start?-----------Uh, you dont want
junkgeek - Agua Dulce, TXOct. 14, 2017 2:42 p.m.Don't
worry. They'll win the last 6, get shelled in a bowl------------NO they won't.Have you seen this
team? There are NO automatic wins remaining on the schedule.They
have to win out just to get a bowl game. You think THIS team is going to win
Sore loser - Oakland, CAOct. 14, 2017 1:56 p.m.BYU players
have represented the University with class this season p. I would rather see
class in a loss than no class in a win----------Name
checks out.LOL dont kid yourself.
does anyone know, offhand, what the lowest season point total for byu football
has been in modern times? think its at 66 total so far. i think the most
is 704 20 yrs or so ago.
46 Utah players on the roster. When did Utah become this college football
recruiting hotbed? 31 from California - not bad. 9 from Texas, 2 from
Florida. Need to reverse the Utah and TX/FL counts if you want to win.Surely there are 50 LDS kids at top Texas and Florida who can play...
Enough with the “ lets be patient” with the coaches. BYU coaches
have been pathetic top to bottom. I’m embarrassed by this group as a BYU
alum. Holmoe needs to own up to his mistake and clean house. Why is Detmer
still calling plays? Amazing that Detmer has taken two good QBs in Tanner and
Taysom and made them both look horrible. A QB change won’t make a
difference- new offensive coordinators might. Where is Sitake the great
recruiter? Why didn’t he hit JUCOs hard for immediate impact players?
Why are all our receivers 5’8 and running 5.5 40s.......I forked big $ for
seats on the grass at BYU this year after buying into the hype and have felt
swindled and robbed ....
Clearly, the offensive effort was geared to protect Mangum. Detmer's play
calling last year was good. But the players from last year are gone and the
short recruiting season makes a difference this year. Still, I think the
missions are a major factor. Recruits from last year won't be in town for
another year. This lag makes it really hard to fill needed positions. If I were
coaching a BYU team, I'd go after non-LDS players big time.This
offense looked bad against Portland State. It has not improved a bit.
That's kind of scary. Now we have a couple more key injuries on defense. I
think BYU will be doing good to win three more games this year.P.S.@ tinplater " How about no class in a loss (Memphis comes to
mind)?" I see you're from Arizona. I attended a BYU-Arizona
game in Tucson, where the fans shouted "Obscenity You, BYU" over and
over. As for Memphis, this was their second brawl. The first was at Ole Miss.
BYU did not start that brawl.Go away.
When BYU was 3rd and 8 early in the game and called a run into the line, I
thought, "here we go again." Even the SEC announcers commented that
the Y was "very conservative" in play calling. Try something!!
re: Co Ute,I realize you're just trying to kick BYU when
they're down, but besides that, do you really believe that a team's
record is a reflection of the talent level of the players and nothing more?So the 2011 Ohio State football team that went 6-7 that 3 years later
won the NC had really poor talent?? Perhaps the coaching played a role when they
switched to Urban Meyer?I said nothing of their conditioning.
Conditioning and talent do matter, but coaching seems to matter most in college
football. Simply put, I don't think this team was prepared for
the season. Their talent level has not significantly changed in the past 10
years, but the coaching has changed significantly. I just hope the
coaches learn some lessons from this in how to prepare for a season.
The truth:I didn't watch the game. Didn't care to
considering how things have looked this season. To me, it's both the talent
and the coaching. I've said it before, the defense isn't getting
enough 3 and outs. Who cares if what the offense is doing. They should still get
3 and outs. The offense, well Mangun is too predictable but the skill positions
other than Bushman are lacking and non existent. It's a shame but I think
the recruits will start go elsewhere as is the case now. The Y isn't what
it once was and nor will it ever be as college football has changed
significantly since the 80's.
Well we did a lot better than I thought we would, no 77-3 mega-blowout, so
there's that. Now we'll get to play some teams that are more our speed
this season. Our team just doesn't have much on offense and our D is held
together with duct tape and bailing wire.
6 very winnable games on the schedule.BYU should run the table.7 and 6.An ESPN sponsored Bowl Game.Perfect.
Will it be 7-6 or 6-7? Even with 6-7 they could make a bowl game if the fans
show up and show some enthusiasm (and the team puts some points on the board
against weaker defenses). Not making a bowl is a killer not only for losing the
extra practice time, but also recruiting. Is a coaching change needed? And if
so, who would you hire? Gary Anderson? The coach at Weber State? Southern
Utah? An assistant in the NFL? Some tough decisions ahead for the Y.
BYU is bad at football.
Oh! Rise and shout, the Cougs have copped outalong their trail of shame
and gory.Rise and shout, our tears we'll wring outAs they
unfold their pathetic story.
Independence is a failure, each year the schedule is a mishmash cobbled together
goat rope, with almost no continuity or coherence. Jealousy, envy,
and greed can cause one to make poor decisions. Return to the MWC as soon as
possible, if it's good enough for Boise State and SDSU it's good
enough for BYU.
Please, please, please accept the glaringly obvious.............the BYU football
team just doesn't have enough talent to compete at the level they keep
trying. There are many Div II and Div III teams in this great country who have
wonderful seasons and a lot of fun competing where they belong (I reference
James Madison on ESPN this morning). Someone noted that the ".......BYU
team of old would have......." I was around when the BYU team of
"old" (prior to 1970) didn't beat anyone. Conditioning,
intensity, etc are all helpful............but talent wins or loses.
To mightymite. 176 yards total and 29 yards rushing for the entire game is an
over achieving effort and the offense is back on track?? Prey tell what do
under achieving numbers look like??
Oh dear. This just gets worse and worse. Its starting to get funny now. How
low can they go?!
Cougar fans look at it this way, you've achieved a moral victory, you lost
to Miss. State by 25 points, LSU lost to Miss. St by 30 points. By that logic
you're 5 points better than LSU.
One bright spot of the game was that Cosmo did appear to win the mascot
dance-off. I believe he remains undefeated for the year and is likely headed for
the playoffs at a site yet to be determined.
It's not even fun anymore to watch bYu lose.
Detmer is not the problem. The talent level is simply not there. BYU is
over-matched. We should see better results against weaker non-P5 teams.
... time to fire AD Holmoe. Start at the top. BYU sports are a shell of what
they used to be since he took over as AD.
@Hey Baby: no but sadly it appears Detmer is Doman's twin brother. I love
Ty and can't believe we're actually dead last in FBS offense, when he
was hired I would have believed in the chupacabra before I would have believed
this would ever happen.
When does basketball season start?
Didn't Holmoe get into the Utah Hall of Fame because he hired Detmer?
Detmer is bad. Schmizmen
Not sure the Cougs could beat Bingham this year. May have to be a Ute fan, but
I doubt they'll win today.
@taylormade1 - um ... explain to all of us how BYU could lose to Utah by
'less than a score'.@japancougar - yep it was all a lack
of off season conditioning that makes BYU look slow and has nothing to do with
the talent level of the teams they have been playing compared to the talent
level at BYU.Personally I don't see any reason to pile on the
BYU team or coaches right now. Fortunately the posters on these boards provide
enough material for a lot a laughs.
I imagine Bronco is laughing all the way to the bank.
Don't worry. They'll win the last 6, get shelled in a bowl, and
everyone will call the year a success because the announcers averaged one
reference per game to missions and missionaries.
Every game that this team continues to play makes me even more amazed that this
team only lost to the Utes by less than a score and had the ball and the end of
the game for a possible win ...
@Sore loser " I would rather see class in a loss than no class in a
win" How about no class in a loss (Memphis comes to mind)?
Perhaps BYU can schedule teams with a similar record to their's next
year?Wouldn't that make the games more exciting?
Our defense is getting injured because they are never off the field.
Cougar fans, don't despair! You still have a chance to end up
7-6 and go to a bowl game by playing quite possibly the worst remaining schedule
in the country. Then the offseason hype of winning a national championship
begins anew! Things are looking bright!
BYU players have represented the University with class this season p. I would
rather see class in a loss than no class in a win
Holmoe is having the same impact on BYU football as athletic director that he
had on Cal football as coach.
Meanwhile, the men's cross country team dominated the NCAA Pre-Nationals
meet. I recommend BYU fans start hitching their self-esteem wagon to the XC
Keep your head up guys. We are seeing improvement... the offense crossed the 50
Let's not "pump the brakes" too quickly haha.
Time for Bobby Ewing to step out of the shower. Please, let this all be a bad
Biggest disappointment is not losing, but lack of intensity in the moment by
this team and coaches, illustrated by the incidents at the end of 3rd
quarter.We get an interception and score a touchdown - it's
28-10. We then recover a fumble on the ensuing kickoff on Mississippi
State's 25 yard line. 45 seconds left in the quarter. With the
momentum, do we strike downfield for a couple of quick pass plays to score,
which the BYU-of-old would have done? Again this was before end of quarter,
which would have made it 28-17 and put us in striking distance of the game and
increased our momentum! No, no, instead we throw a dink out-pass, like a
lateral play, gain nothing, then immediately go to the sidelines and burn the
last 10-15 seconds of the quarter "conferencing" with one of the
coaches.BYU, do you realize you could have been just 2 scores from
winning, and with the momentum, going into the 4th quarter if you just had the
daring to strike and went "hurry-up"? Some of BYU's
situation can be forgiven as over 30 players have been injured this year in ways
that caused them to miss games - as ESPN pointed out.But what cannot
be tolerated is lack of intensity - giving up.
Family History buffs. Is Sitake related to Tony Ingle? Generationally
BYU-P football has become so pathetic and low energy. It's contagious...
I'm having a hard time even getting up the energy to comment on it anymore.
Detmer seems more intent on protecting his quarterback’s psyche than
trying to win the game. Absolutely atrocious play calling. Mangum still
zeroing in on his primary receiver and Critchlow is nowhere near his receiver.
If Hoge is healthy, he should be the starter, because other than him, BYU has
nothing at QB.
This BYU team has no easy games remaining due to their lack of off-season
preparation.From the first game of the season, they looked slow and
tired which leads me to believe that they didn't put in the right kind of
work in the off-season and now they're seeing those results. It's hard
to catch up from that.I hope the coaching staff realizes that they
failed in the preparation stage for this season and makes changes to how they
prepare next Spring.
10 points is more then I expected. This was an overachieving effort by the
offense. Good things to come in the coming weeks as this offense is back on
A lot of quit showing early in this Cougar team today ....
A heretofore valiant BYU defense has given up. Sad to see. But what some weird
play calling by Detmer.