Jay's Jokes: Hollywood's new code of ethics===== Yes Jay, Because we all know that 'Hollywood' should be held
to a higher standard than say, the President of the United States....
@NoNamesAccepted"If a woman "lets you do it" it isn't a
crime."Actually it can very much be a crime. Trump's
remarks (let's not deal with the whole "whether he did it or is just
bragging about nothing real" thing for a second and just look at the issue
itself) were about grabbing and kissing women without permission. There's
two options there. One is that the women who are grabbed actually wanted that,
but not many people would. The other is that the women are shocked into silence
by the action and can't figure out what to do. Sexual assault prosecutions
aren't a slam dunk case and this would be against a highly litigious and
powerful person. So many victims of Weinstein and Cosby stayed silent for a long
time because they were scared of that. But once public opinion turned towards
thinking those two did those things, they felt much safer coming forward with
their own stories. Those assaults are still crimes even though there's some
"let them do it".
@LDS Liberal,The question you avoided is... did you call for
Clinton's impeachment (like you do for Trump)?Can you answer
that?If you didn't... Is that what you call
"consistent"?If you didn't call for Clinton to be
impeached back then... does that show you have integrity? (the same logic you
have been applying to anybody who doesn't join you and call for
Trump's impeachment today).===Something to think
aboutWhen Clinton actually sexually abused women in the Oval Office
(didn't just make a crude comment in private) and then lied under oath to
Congress and America in the investigation... he was already President. The
only option was impeachment. The election was over.Trump's
comment was common knowledge before the election. And then he was elected.
Hard to impeach him later for something that was common knowledge before the
election (and not illegal).It's kinda apples-to-oranges
comparison. One illegal, other not, just offensive.We don't
impeach for partisans being offended. We impeach for breaking law (with proof).
What law did Trump's comment break?Not defending his comment.
But its different than what Clinton did. One illegal (perjury). Other not.
2 bits said: "Destroying support for our President does nothing to help the
United States, only our enemies. Whether the President is Clinton or
Trump."To bad that same logic wasn't in place the last
eight years. I guess it is only important to support the President
unconditionally when he is a republican. The funny thing is that if Trump
where running as a democrat the republicans would be beside themselves a
decrying his uncouth behavior and lack of morals. Even funnier is that he
isn't even really a republican, he just ran as one because it was easier to
get republicans to by his "stick" than it was democrats.
2 bits - Cottonwood Heights, UTOct. 16, 2017 2:05 p.m.@airnaut
Does the same logic apply to those who continued to support Bill Clinton
as President after it was proven without a doubt that he lied to Congress and
America---------- ...and Bill Clinton was impeached.I reckon for someone as outraged over Bill Clinton as you are, that you would show the same integrity and demand Trump be impeached also.
There isn't any "humor" in the Weinstein scandal. If I had to sit
around and cook up "jokes" about a serial sexual predator as part of my
job, that would be a crummy job.
Poor Donald. He never fights with those who savvy his language and keep nodding
their heads when he’s talking. All others just want to pick on him for no
@airnaut Does the same logic apply to those who continued to support Bill
Clinton as President after it was proven without a doubt that he lied to
Congress and America, and he actually had sexual encounters with interns in the
Oval Office while President?Because most Democrats said it
didn't effect his ability to do the job, and wanted him to stay.===I don't support everything Trump says. Doesn't mean
I have to attack him nonstop like Democrats do.I criticized Trump
for his crude comment. He lost my support (as a candidate). But as President
I support him (and America). And I supported Clinton as long as he was
President. Though I wasn't very proud of Clinton (or Trump).Seems to some it's OK to support Clinton even though he sexually abused
women, but you can't support Trump if he made a crude statement.Neither is OK with me. How about you? Did you call for Clinton's
impeachment?===Trump is not my hero. He's just
President of the United States. So till he's not... I'm going to
support him and the United States.Destroying support for our
President does nothing to help the United States, only our enemies. Whether the
President is Clinton or Trump.
@Impartial7: "Not when the Commander in Chief states that "When
you're famous, you can get away with anything. Grab...........""1-So are you suggesting the morally superior liberals/democrats are
going to follow the lead of a Republican president on morality issues?
Interesting.2-I'm not aware of any commander in chief ever
saying any such thing. I believe the current president said something like this
about 11 years before he started his campaign for President. Were you one-half
as offended by what Bill Clinton DID to Paula Jones 2 years before he was
elected, or to Kathleen Willey while in the White House, as you are about what
Trump SAID about women a decade before he ran for office?3-Remember,
Trump said "they let you do it". His words and attitude were boorish
and offensive. But there is no doubt that women respond differently to rich and
famous men than they do to the average guy. If a woman "lets you do it"
it isn't a crime.Trump spoke like a boorish pig. Bill Clinton
actually committed crimes. Stop dragging in petty, small minded
partisan politics to every topic. It gets old. This article is about
Weinstein, not Trump.
Remember folks, leftists have been proven they don't care about women at
all. Bill, Harvey, Anthony--all celebrated for raping and assaulting women of
all ages. The left attacked Trump for saying that women would let
you do anything if you were rich and powerful.Sure seems like Trump
was right in his observation, isn't it? With the added proviso that you
can get away with rape as long as you are a Democrat. The left will eagerly
sacrifice women to your lusts then.
I should think that a Trump supporter with any degree of consistency would stay
away from trying to use Weinstein as a political cudgel. Very far away.Unfortunately I have again underestimated the degree of self-deception
and willful blindness afflicting his followers.
If you have an ounce of integrity -- You don't get to support
Donald Trump and be outraged at Bill Clinton or Harvey Weinstein.
Go ahead and demand those ethics and fist pound for morality and pave that
golden expressway/autoban to delete Trump. I am glad Anthony Weiner
is in jail. We got Hastert and how about Newt.
I am very happy conservatives are screaming for morality.It will
make impeaching Trump easier!
@Ralph "Between Weinstein and Donald Trump, I don't know who is
Ralph: "Between Weinstein and Donald Trump, I don't know who is
worse."Between those two you have Bill Clinton.Richer than Weinstein but still poorer than Trump.Not quite as blatant
as Weinstein in his predatory actions, but unlike Trump is more action than talk
in this area.I have a daughter. I would not want to leave her alone
with any of the three, but if I had to pick one, I would pick Trump as the least
likely to assault her.
Hmm...The Hollywood "casting couch" has been around since
the silent movie era.So, which is worse?The Hollywood
producer, or the President of the United States?I'm
not giving a freebie or get-out-of-jail-free to anyone....Nobody one is
above the law.
Does EVERYTHING have to become a partisan issue?For every creepy
conservative, it's easy to name an equally guilty liberal. Sexual harassment from any quarter is wrong, and doesn't have to be seen
from a snarky political perspective!
@Impartial7 ,RE: "Not when the Commander in Chief states that
"When you're famous, you can get away with anything. Grab"...---Our current Commander in Chief is a product of Hollywood. His fame
comes mostly from exposure on his TV show. He has the same attitudes towards
women as many famous Hollywood types, or other people made famous (and
privileged) by fame created by media exposure (politicians included).People like those in Hollywood, TV, Politics (Trump included) think their fame
gives them the right to treat women the way Trump was boasting to his buddies on
the buss (and the way Bill Clinton proved he thought his fame gave him the right
to grab women).It's not just our current President you know.
Look at Anthony Wiener, Bill Clinton, John Roberts, etc.Not giving
them a pass. I think it's terrible (in Hollywood or in Politics).Many famous politicians and people in Hollywood have this attitude.
Democrats seem to get a pass from the media. Only a big deal when Trump
revealed his thoughts about fame giving him privilege, but many Democrats think
the same thing.I wish the media had given Mitt Romney a chance. He
didn't have this attitude.
Between Weinstein and Donald Trump, I don't know who is worse. Rich and famous people seem to be able to get away with anything.
The Bible is full of sex and violence - does this mean Christians can’t
condemn that behavior?
@2bits;"Maybe behavior in Hollywood will change now. I doubt it. They
will just be more careful about hiding it.""Not when the
Commander in Chief states that "When you're famous, you can get away
with anything. Grab..........."
The only thing new in the code of ethics in Hollywood is... that they recently
decided to have some ethics at all. In the past it's been an "Anything
Goes" code party all the time code of ethics in Hollywood.What
the guy did is not a recent thing. The only recent development is... that
somebody in Hollywood decided they actually care about what he has been doing
for many many years.Maybe behavior in Hollywood will change now. I
doubt it. They will just be more careful about hiding it.
Our entire society needs a new code of ethics. Why limit it to Hollywood?