Jay's Jokes: Hollywood's new code of ethics

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  • Anti-Trump Everett, WA
    Oct. 18, 2017 12:26 p.m.

    Jay's Jokes: Hollywood's new code of ethics

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    Yes Jay,
    Because we all know that 'Hollywood' should be held to a higher standard than say, the President of the United States....

  • Frozen Fractals Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 17, 2017 9:21 a.m.

    @NoNamesAccepted
    "If a woman "lets you do it" it isn't a crime."

    Actually it can very much be a crime. Trump's remarks (let's not deal with the whole "whether he did it or is just bragging about nothing real" thing for a second and just look at the issue itself) were about grabbing and kissing women without permission. There's two options there. One is that the women who are grabbed actually wanted that, but not many people would. The other is that the women are shocked into silence by the action and can't figure out what to do. Sexual assault prosecutions aren't a slam dunk case and this would be against a highly litigious and powerful person. So many victims of Weinstein and Cosby stayed silent for a long time because they were scared of that. But once public opinion turned towards thinking those two did those things, they felt much safer coming forward with their own stories. Those assaults are still crimes even though there's some "let them do it".

  • 2 bits Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Oct. 17, 2017 9:14 a.m.

    @LDS Liberal,
    The question you avoided is... did you call for Clinton's impeachment (like you do for Trump)?

    Can you answer that?

    If you didn't... Is that what you call "consistent"?

    If you didn't call for Clinton to be impeached back then... does that show you have integrity? (the same logic you have been applying to anybody who doesn't join you and call for Trump's impeachment today).

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    Something to think about

    When Clinton actually sexually abused women in the Oval Office (didn't just make a crude comment in private) and then lied under oath to Congress and America in the investigation... he was already President. The only option was impeachment. The election was over.

    Trump's comment was common knowledge before the election. And then he was elected. Hard to impeach him later for something that was common knowledge before the election (and not illegal).

    It's kinda apples-to-oranges comparison. One illegal, other not, just offensive.

    We don't impeach for partisans being offended. We impeach for breaking law (with proof). What law did Trump's comment break?

    Not defending his comment. But its different than what Clinton did. One illegal (perjury). Other not.

  • Fred44 Salt Lake City, Utah
    Oct. 17, 2017 9:07 a.m.

    2 bits said: "Destroying support for our President does nothing to help the United States, only our enemies. Whether the President is Clinton or Trump."

    To bad that same logic wasn't in place the last eight years. I guess it is only important to support the President unconditionally when he is a republican. The funny thing is that if Trump where running as a democrat the republicans would be beside themselves a decrying his uncouth behavior and lack of morals. Even funnier is that he isn't even really a republican, he just ran as one because it was easier to get republicans to by his "stick" than it was democrats.

  • LDS Liberal Farmington, UT
    Oct. 16, 2017 9:52 p.m.

    2 bits - Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Oct. 16, 2017 2:05 p.m.

    @airnaut
    Does the same logic apply to those who continued to support Bill Clinton as President after it was proven without a doubt that he lied to Congress and America

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    ...and Bill Clinton was impeached.

    I reckon for someone as outraged over Bill Clinton as you are,
    that you would show the same integrity and demand Trump be impeached also.

  • Utah Girl Chronicles Eagle Mountain, UT
    Oct. 16, 2017 6:21 p.m.

    There isn't any "humor" in the Weinstein scandal. If I had to sit around and cook up "jokes" about a serial sexual predator as part of my job, that would be a crummy job.

  • Craig Clark Boulder, CO
    Oct. 16, 2017 3:51 p.m.

    Poor Donald. He never fights with those who savvy his language and keep nodding their heads when he’s talking. All others just want to pick on him for no good reason.

  • 2 bits Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Oct. 16, 2017 2:05 p.m.

    @airnaut
    Does the same logic apply to those who continued to support Bill Clinton as President after it was proven without a doubt that he lied to Congress and America, and he actually had sexual encounters with interns in the Oval Office while President?

    Because most Democrats said it didn't effect his ability to do the job, and wanted him to stay.

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    I don't support everything Trump says. Doesn't mean I have to attack him nonstop like Democrats do.

    I criticized Trump for his crude comment. He lost my support (as a candidate). But as President I support him (and America). And I supported Clinton as long as he was President. Though I wasn't very proud of Clinton (or Trump).

    Seems to some it's OK to support Clinton even though he sexually abused women, but you can't support Trump if he made a crude statement.

    Neither is OK with me. How about you? Did you call for Clinton's impeachment?

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    Trump is not my hero. He's just President of the United States. So till he's not... I'm going to support him and the United States.

    Destroying support for our President does nothing to help the United States, only our enemies. Whether the President is Clinton or Trump.

  • NoNamesAccepted St. George, UT
    Oct. 16, 2017 1:57 p.m.

    @Impartial7: "Not when the Commander in Chief states that "When you're famous, you can get away with anything. Grab...........""

    1-So are you suggesting the morally superior liberals/democrats are going to follow the lead of a Republican president on morality issues? Interesting.

    2-I'm not aware of any commander in chief ever saying any such thing. I believe the current president said something like this about 11 years before he started his campaign for President. Were you one-half as offended by what Bill Clinton DID to Paula Jones 2 years before he was elected, or to Kathleen Willey while in the White House, as you are about what Trump SAID about women a decade before he ran for office?

    3-Remember, Trump said "they let you do it". His words and attitude were boorish and offensive. But there is no doubt that women respond differently to rich and famous men than they do to the average guy. If a woman "lets you do it" it isn't a crime.

    Trump spoke like a boorish pig. Bill Clinton actually committed crimes.

    Stop dragging in petty, small minded partisan politics to every topic. It gets old. This article is about Weinstein, not Trump.

  • Vanceone Provo, UT
    Oct. 16, 2017 1:51 p.m.

    Remember folks, leftists have been proven they don't care about women at all. Bill, Harvey, Anthony--all celebrated for raping and assaulting women of all ages.

    The left attacked Trump for saying that women would let you do anything if you were rich and powerful.

    Sure seems like Trump was right in his observation, isn't it? With the added proviso that you can get away with rape as long as you are a Democrat. The left will eagerly sacrifice women to your lusts then.

  • Unreconstructed Reb Chantilly, VA
    Oct. 16, 2017 12:44 p.m.

    I should think that a Trump supporter with any degree of consistency would stay away from trying to use Weinstein as a political cudgel. Very far away.

    Unfortunately I have again underestimated the degree of self-deception and willful blindness afflicting his followers.

  • airnaut Everett, WA
    Oct. 16, 2017 12:27 p.m.

    If you have an ounce of integrity --

    You don't get to support Donald Trump and be outraged at Bill Clinton or Harvey Weinstein.

  • LOU Montana Pueblo, CO
    Oct. 16, 2017 12:00 p.m.

    Go ahead and demand those ethics and fist pound for morality and pave that golden expressway/autoban to delete Trump.

    I am glad Anthony Weiner is in jail. We got Hastert and how about Newt.

  • LOU Montana Pueblo, CO
    Oct. 16, 2017 11:43 a.m.

    I am very happy conservatives are screaming for morality.

    It will make impeaching Trump easier!

  • Husker2 International Falls, MN
    Oct. 16, 2017 10:56 a.m.

    @Ralph "Between Weinstein and Donald Trump, I don't know who is worse."

    Bill Clinton.

  • JoeCapitalist2 Orem, UT
    Oct. 16, 2017 10:49 a.m.

    Ralph: "Between Weinstein and Donald Trump, I don't know who is worse."

    Between those two you have Bill Clinton.

    Richer than Weinstein but still poorer than Trump.
    Not quite as blatant as Weinstein in his predatory actions, but unlike Trump is more action than talk in this area.

    I have a daughter. I would not want to leave her alone with any of the three, but if I had to pick one, I would pick Trump as the least likely to assault her.

  • Anti-Trump Everett, WA
    Oct. 16, 2017 10:36 a.m.

    Hmm...

    The Hollywood "casting couch" has been around since the silent movie era.

    So, which is worse?

    The Hollywood producer,
    or
    the President of the United States?

    I'm not giving a freebie or get-out-of-jail-free to anyone....
    Nobody one is above the law.

  • liberal larry Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 16, 2017 10:35 a.m.

    Does EVERYTHING have to become a partisan issue?

    For every creepy conservative, it's easy to name an equally guilty liberal.

    Sexual harassment from any quarter is wrong, and doesn't have to be seen from a snarky political perspective!

  • 2 bits Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Oct. 16, 2017 10:31 a.m.

    @Impartial7 ,
    RE: "Not when the Commander in Chief states that "When you're famous, you can get away with anything. Grab"...
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    Our current Commander in Chief is a product of Hollywood. His fame comes mostly from exposure on his TV show. He has the same attitudes towards women as many famous Hollywood types, or other people made famous (and privileged) by fame created by media exposure (politicians included).

    People like those in Hollywood, TV, Politics (Trump included) think their fame gives them the right to treat women the way Trump was boasting to his buddies on the buss (and the way Bill Clinton proved he thought his fame gave him the right to grab women).

    It's not just our current President you know. Look at Anthony Wiener, Bill Clinton, John Roberts, etc.

    Not giving them a pass. I think it's terrible (in Hollywood or in Politics).

    Many famous politicians and people in Hollywood have this attitude. Democrats seem to get a pass from the media. Only a big deal when Trump revealed his thoughts about fame giving him privilege, but many Democrats think the same thing.

    I wish the media had given Mitt Romney a chance. He didn't have this attitude.

  • Ralph Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 16, 2017 10:19 a.m.

    Between Weinstein and Donald Trump, I don't know who is worse.

    Rich and famous people seem to be able to get away with anything.

  • Kally Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 16, 2017 10:07 a.m.

    The Bible is full of sex and violence - does this mean Christians can’t condemn that behavior?

  • Impartial7 DRAPER, UT
    Oct. 16, 2017 9:50 a.m.

    @2bits;
    "Maybe behavior in Hollywood will change now. I doubt it. They will just be more careful about hiding it.""

    Not when the Commander in Chief states that "When you're famous, you can get away with anything. Grab..........."

  • 2 bits Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Oct. 16, 2017 9:34 a.m.

    The only thing new in the code of ethics in Hollywood is... that they recently decided to have some ethics at all. In the past it's been an "Anything Goes" code party all the time code of ethics in Hollywood.

    What the guy did is not a recent thing. The only recent development is... that somebody in Hollywood decided they actually care about what he has been doing for many many years.

    Maybe behavior in Hollywood will change now. I doubt it. They will just be more careful about hiding it.

  • USAlover Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 16, 2017 9:26 a.m.

    Our entire society needs a new code of ethics. Why limit it to Hollywood?