The Donald wants everything to be about him all the time. He is pleased by
division and discord because he thrives on it.
@worf"When Kaepernick would not stand for the national anthem,
Obama was quiet."Patently FALSE. Do you even try to do research
before posting opinion as fact?Here's Obama's statement on
Kaepernick from Oct 2016..."The test of our fidelity to our
Constitution, to freedom of speech, to our Bill of Rights, is not when it's
easy, but when it's hard. We fight sometimes so that people can do things
that we disagree with. As long as they're doing it within the law, then we
can voice our opinion objecting to it but it's also their right.""And I think that it’s also important for us to recognize that
sometimes out of these controversies, we start getting into a conversation, and
I want everybody to listen to each other. So I want Mr. Kaepernick and others
who are on a knee, I want them to listen to the pain that that may cause
somebody who, for example, had a spouse or a child who was killed in combat, and
why it hurts them to see somebody not standing. But I also want people to think
about the pain that he may be expressing about somebody who’s lost a loved
one that they think was unfairly shot."
twin lights.."Kaepernick's stated purpose was "I am not going to
stand up to show pride in a flag for a country that oppresses black people and
people of color". Certainly our nation is not perfect but surely the lot of
black people is far superior to what it was just a generation or two ago. The
black men of our father's generation had nothing like the opportunities
Kaepernick and others have yet they stood for the flag"So you
think he's wrong in his thinking about the treatment of black
people..and?You and he can argue/discuss that, maybe you'll
change his mind, maybe he'll change yours. None of that changes how he
feels now, or why he chose the protest he did. I suspect he, was
fully aware of the severity of his symbolism, and he has paid a price, and he
has opened the conversation on multiple fronts. I didn't argue
his protest was warranted only that it was appropriate as a tactic for his
perceived grievances. Symbol vs. symbol.
Lets be honest -- it is dishonest and hypocritical for protesters to piggy -
back their social and political beliefs on someone else venue or concert or
public event that is being paid for by their employer or corp. or others and to
block roads, places of business, and endanger public transportation to air their
grievances. Let them pony up the money, rent their place to protest and invite
those of like mind and protest away to their content --But leave your protest
out of the arena that belongs to someone else.
If the anthem protests have become about trump, it's for the same reason so
many things are about trump. He caused it. Although, protesting racial
inequality and protesting trump are not totally disconnected. Trumps efforts to
divide our society certainly are capitalising on race, among other issues. He is a terrible person. He thrives on our worst qualities. All protests, it
would seem, will eventually lead to trump.
pragmatistferlife,A protest now against what abrogation of founding
principles? When Kaepernick started this Obama vs. Trump was in office so
let's ignore the politics of the moment as the White House has changed
occupants and parties.Kaepernick's stated purpose was "I am
not going to stand up to show pride in a flag for a country that oppresses black
people and people of color". Certainly our nation is not perfect but surely
the lot of black people is far superior to what it was just a generation or two
ago. The black men of our father's generation had nothing like the
opportunities Kaepernick and others have yet they stood for the flag (perhaps
more in hope for the promise of what our country could be). Yet, their sons and
grandsons now find the flag intolerable while they enjoy opportunities beyond
their parents' wildest dreams?
Trump should be more like Obama?* When Kaepernick would not stand
for the national anthem, Obama was quiet.* When threaten with nukes, stay
quiet, so you don't get Kim Jung Un angry.* When we have a trade
deficit, apologize for American arrogance.* Sneaking a pallet of cash to
Syria.* Tell Americans they will be fined if they can't buy health
insurance.Sorry folks! Blaming Trump is missing the target. He
hasn't caused America's problems, or lost the war on poverty.
Now a word from their sponsors. I think that the action will have a reaction.
My guess is the pocket is going to hurt.
twin lights, "The flag is an emblem of our country and its founding
principles. Even when those principles are not perfectly realized. Whether or
not we agree with or support a particular politician is irrelevant. We are
Americans and owe what (not who) the flag represents our respect."Yes, and if you earnestly feel those founding principles are not just not
being realized perfectly, but being violated so severely that it brings into
question the existence of those principles for a particular group, how better to
protest than to quietly protest the symbol of those principles. That's how this started, and what it still stands for. A quiet protest
against the "violation" of our founding principles. What
has changed in all this is a growing public support for a citizens right to
publically protest by publically not showing customary deference to symbols they
feel represent violated principles. Some say there are better ways
to do this. Tell me what would be more effective? The rights reaction to all
this is proof enough Kpaernicks tactic was effective.
I played football a hundred years ago and we always dropped to one knee to have
prayer before a game. What is the big deal if they do it to support their cause.
Tim Tebow became famous for his dropping to one knee to give thanks.
Only hateful people have twisted this subject because it is black
people who are protesting.
I think the players responded like they did because Trump - the President of the
United States - called their mothers dogs. I'm sure they were deeply hurt
and angry about their mothers being denigrated in that way and so rallied around
those that had been protesting. As the author points out, this was not a large
spread protest until the President decided to revert back to his days as a
reality TV personality and start yelling and cursing. (He will say anything to
get attention and adulation). I didn't agree with Obama's
policies, but at least he didn't verbally attack women and mothers. Trump's behavior continues to be utterly shameful - if the NFL
players took a knee to express their disapproval of such behavior then good for
If racial injustice were as prevalent as some people - Kaepernik, for instance,
please tell me how Obama got elected President; If the police are so against
Blacks, why are Blacks overwhelmingly killed by other Blacks. By the way, a lot
of those police are also Black.
If our country stands for lofty premises, as in equal justice for all and
equality before the eyes of the law, then the flag is a good (but not the only)
representational point. However, it is only a flag. Hyperventilating
patriotism does not a sacred object make.If our country fails to
deliver the lofty premises, then a protest is most appropriate. Especially one
in which no one is harmed and no harsh words are spoken.The people
who have denigrated the professional athletes seem to misrepresent and even
malign the intentions of these people. The country has not
transcended his past racial stains yet, as evidenced by the violent deaths of
innocent minorities at the hands of our law enforcement officials. Such acts
incidentally which more often than not go unpunished. It is in the great
tradition of American free speech that these athletes draw our attention to the
perpetration of violence against minorities. It is an act of the
highest and best form of patriotism. To remind America that we have yet to meet
our lofty goals. Those who say otherwise are the ones of suspect patriotism.
Yes they are and this type of protest is ineffectual and most Americans do not
want over pampered millionaire entertainers ... Many of dubious character,
trying to make political pointsSo just play the game because we
could care less what you think just like the folks in Hollywood
Yeap. Boycott these guys is the bast way to level the he playing field.
It is still about racial injustice. Trump's inflammatory comments just
proliferated the protests.
The flag is an emblem of our country and its founding principles. Even when
those principles are not perfectly realized. Whether or not we agree with or
support a particular politician is irrelevant. We are Americans and owe what
(not who) the flag represents our respect.
Again, Trump woman this issue. No players knelt on Thursday and the next day NBA
commish says player have to stand. Pretty simple cause/effect here folks.
President Trump spoke for the American people and the the saddle exults are
pretty clear. If you can't see it, you will when he gets re-elected.
Op-ed: Let's be honest. NFL protests are now about President Trump, not
racial equality======== Of good grief -- another
shameful Trump supporter.Let's be honest. Trump makes
everything about Trump and he should have just keep his big mouth shut and kept
out it in the 1st place!
See DesNews article Sept. 15, 2016, Kaepernick hits back at ESPN analyst who
said he should 'be quiet and sit in the shadows'. San Francisco
49ers safety Eric Reid (35) and quarterback Colin Kaepernick (7) kneel during
the national anthem before an NFL football game against the Los Angeles Rams in
Santa Clara, California, Monday, Sept. 12, 2016. Kaepernick chose to take a
stand and repeatedly kneel during the national anthem — acts that have
made him the center of attention. " Kaepernick said. "To me,
you're telling me that my position as a backup quarterback and being quiet
is more important than peoples' lives." Kaepernick has said that his
decision not to stand during "The Star-Spangled Banner" is based on his
belief that there are profound injustices in the U.S., specifically citing
A few years ago when "streaking" become the fad of getting attention the
media outlets quickly discovered that if you turn off the cameras and don't
discuss it, it went away pretty quickly. I'm not sure why we aren't
doing the same with this new fad.
@Copybook Headings, No, let's be very clear. There is a vast
difference, moral and legal, between private individuals and organizations
starting boycotts to pressure companies and industries with which they have a
beef for the outrage de jour, and the president of the United States using his
office to actively calling on private companies to make employment decisions
based on employees' alleged lack of patriotism, and using his position to
call for boycotts of these companies if they do not comply.An
American president is calling for economic retaliation against American
companies in response to their decision to let their employees exercise a
Constitutional right. Let that sink in. Republicans would have rightly
crucified Obama for anything like this, but Trump never spoke truer words than
his comment about shooting someone on 5th Avenue If any NFL player
is fired or suspended at this point, Trump may have opened himself up to legal
liability under federal statutes. Not to mention the potential chilling effects
of his bully pulpit demagoguery on the First Amendment.
The author disingenuously forgot to mention that Trump's comments are more
about the politics of his base than it is about patriotism! Flag waving and
standing for that national anthem is an outward act that is not proof of actual
patriotism. Kneeling is not real indication that a person is not a patriot.
Patriotism is ones heart. Putting too mush into the criticism of ones outward
behavior concerning these acts does not do credit to the person making them.
No they are not about Trump, but his denigrating the players and their mothers
is a sad commentary on the sad state of race relations in America. There is
something wrong when a policeman shoots a black man in the back for running
away, yet takes a white suspect that has killed a church full of black people
to Burger King on his way to jail.
@worf;" A person who will mismanage our tax money, not support our
country, and back down from challenges."Let's see....Donald
Trump somehow mismanaged his money so bad that he managed to bankrupt casinos.
Casinos are like having a license to print money. He supported our country by
getting 5 deferments to Vietnam. He's backed down to hundreds of lawsuits
by settling out of court. Please stop listening to what Trump says and pay
attention to what Trump actually does. They are nowhere close to congruence.
The author's speculation that these protests are all about Donald Trump is
misplaced. Indeed, he's missed the whole point of the protests, which are
not about our president but about the rampant racism which is still very much
with us today -- more than half a century after Congress passed the Voting
the racial division... was there before Trump. It was from police shootings that
happened when Obama was President.2bits you repeat this multiple
times. What's the significance of the Kaperneck protest starting when
Obama was President? The issue at hand is Trump inserting his
opinion into the controversy in a public and profane way has sparked (both
during the campaign and now as President) an increase in players behavior. This
has nothing at all to do with Obama. I suppose this is your clumsy
way of once again accusing Obama of racial division, but it makes no sense in
President Trump is the greatest president we ever have had. With just a few
words, all the players, coaches and owners of the NFL are falling over
themselves to display their ignorance. The news media can't get enough
Trump! I don't read the articles, I just count the headlines with
Trump's name in them. A good Trump day has double digits of Trump
"What percentage of fans are republican?"What does that
matter? Are you saying only Republicans revere the flag? Only Republicans
serve in the military? That only Republicans are in our law enforcement? That
only Republicans are anti-black NFL player? What in the world were you
entering by that comment?
@worf“You don't use the National Anthem to insult
someone.”One can only be insulted if they choose to be. The
other option is open dialog but that takes work. Being insulted is probably
The DNC's feelings are hurt deeply. They have not rested since they lost
the election trying to discredit Trump. Antifa is not getting the response it
use to, and universities are allowing conservatives to speak at their schools.
They need this diversion.People can say it's Trump, but both
parties are using the media. What we have here is a media war. Not
honoring the flag or the military may not be their purpose, but it is the end
My oh my all the despair over divisive language from the current President.
Quick ... which President said Latinos should go out and punish their enemies?
Which President told Americans to get in their neighbor's faces and argue
with them? Which President said if he had a son he would look like Trayvon
Martin? Which President called an entire police department stupid?
@ Unreconstructed Reb "calling on private companies to punish
them for exercising First Amendment rights, tweeting support for boycotts of
their employers unless they relent, and actively encouraging the deepening
divide in our country"Democrats have been doing this to ordinary
citizens for years. And it's exactly why Trump was elected.
Of course the protests are about Trump. Trump made them about Trump with his
ridiculous comments.Kaepernick protested months ago. Trump says
nothing. Even before he opened his mouth, the ongoing protests were few and far
between.Instead of saying what he said, here are some more
professional ways Trump could have handled this:-Said nothing-Have an aide make a prepared statement-Comment that he didn't
agree with Kaepernick's actions, but acknowledge free speech allowed
Kaepernick to take the actions he did-Focus instead on helping Puerto Rico
and invite Kaepernick and other players to donate time, money to the causeor heaven forbid...-Contact Kaepernick, get his side of the story,
invite him to express his concerns in a productive setting...perhaps form a
commission to gather data and analysis on crime, discrimination, inner city
poverty, etc and ask Kaepernick to join that effortInstead, Trump,
in his minuscule wisdom, chose to insult the player, the NFL org, the
player's race(indirectly), and first amendment, and the player's
Injustices based on race are worthy of protest. Trump, with all he brings
in hubris, ignorance, elitism, ego, hypocrisy, privilege, and incompetence, is
worthy of protest. It may be about injustice; it may be about trump. Let's be honest, protest is justified regardless.
You don't use the National Anthem to insult someone.Some folks
want a shy, quiet, and timid president. A person who will mismanage our tax
money, not support our country, and back down from challenges. You can bet,
Barry would take a knee as well.That's not Trump!
It is nice that the writer can get in the heads of the players and tell us what
they were thinking and why they did it.My crystal ball told me that
they were expressing solidarity with the black players (75% of the NFL) or
choosing to avoid a union issue by telling them to "shut up and play
football."They chose to stick it to the cops and the fans.That's fine. Fans can vote with their feet.Now we see
the NFL doing a little backpedaling on their so-called principles.The NFL is a dying enterprise anyway.
@2 bits“Many criticized Kappernicks disrespecting the
flag”Kaepernick’s protest was never about disrespecting
the flag. Not. Once.Ever. It’s time to stop using that as an excuse to
justify our unwillingness to recognize that racism is alive and well in America.
That was Kaepernick’s message. It’s time we acknowledge it.
@Utah Girl 4:37 p.m.RE: "Not true. On August 28, 2016"...---I know what happened on August 28th.What I'm saying
is... Many criticized Kappernicks disrespecting the flag (me included) last
year, when Obama was President. Last season. Kappernick isn't in the NFL
this season. His protests were last season (when Obama was President, not
Trump).They were divisive before Trump came along.He
made it worse, but he didn't start the divisive protests. They were going
on before he was President.I said they should respect the flag back
last season when they were doing these protests and Obama was President. Same
as I'm saying today.I know Trump said something August 28, 2016
Trump. But my point was... The protests were happening last season too. And
Trump wasn't President then.I know Trump is a divider. But so
are these protests.
With a few words, President Trump decimated a corrosive false narrative that
impugned the symbols of our great nation. Say what you will about Donald Trump,
but he is a brilliant politician and a patriot.
What percentage of fans are republican?
Trump managed to turn the issue from being about civil rights to being about
himself.Imaging the nations collective shock. Rather than getting
into a dialog about what the real problem was - and it wasn't players
kneeling during the anthem - that was a symptom - Trump managed to make it about
himself. To a rabid crowd of deep southern conservative voters, the issue as a
.......... NFL football player kneeling instead of standing.Main
issue not hurricane recovery. Not Iran. Not North Korea. Not health care
repeal. Not immigration. Not a new budget or tax reform. Nope..... what
this crowd wanted to hear was about Trumps disdain for a football player who
didn't stand. Trump is either really really smart ..... or
really really ignorant.
"I don’t respect grown men acting like children throwing a tantrum
just to "take a shot" at Donald Trump. "Are you kidding
me. Who is really throwing a tantrum here. As I recall President Trump called
them a vulgar name. Do those people kneeling call Trump a vulgar name. I
suggest you think long and hard about Trump and his behavior.
I wonder who Trump will have left to insult or disparage after 4 (hopefully
less) years in office.Veterans, racial minorities, pro athletes,
judges, almost any woman, and the list goes on of the targets of his barbs and
lies.Has the country no shame left?
Even so....still a worthy cause.
Trump is purely outcomes oriented. Like him or not and I'm no fan, he gets
things done. This is another example. From what I understand, NO players in last
nights game knelt (I didn't watch it, but heard) and The NBA commis just
issued a statement about expecting players to stand for the anthem. I'd say
Trump won on this one. Mission accomplished.
So Trump said some mean words and hurt the feelings of these big tough football
players. Oh my goodness. How terrible. How do they ever concentrate enough to
cash their million dollar pay checks??In the military, I was called
all sorts of names by people just as ignorant and offensive as Donald Trump. I
didn't protest or whine about them. Instead of protesting, I pitied the
poor fools and prayed for them to overcome their ignorance.After
all, why protest during the national anthem?? What does that have to do with
Donald Trump?? All it does is offend a large segment of America who have
supported these players.
@ 2 bits"We were divided when it was just Kappernick and a few
friends in San Francisico (no Trump comment then).Not true. On
August 28, 2016 Trump suggested Kaepernick would be better off if he left the
country.From the Guardian: "I have followed it and I think
it’s personally not a good thing,” Trump told the Dori Monson Show,
a conservative afternoon talk-radio program in the Seattle area, of the
controversy. “I think it’s a terrible thing, and you know, maybe he
should find a country that works better for him. Let him try – it
"Nope the divider Trump brought this on, as each new protester declared
"I am Sparticus.""Prometheus, that is the perfect
analogy for what is happening in the NFL. This issue was fading until Trump
poured gasoline on the fire in front of a crowd in Alabama that he knew would
respond to his obvious dog whistling.It was entirely unnecessary,
but it has enabled Trump to weaponize patriotism. The NFL players have
responded.We have a president who is hurling obscenities at American
citizens, calling on private companies to punish them for exercising First
Amendment rights, tweeting support for boycotts of their employers unless they
relent, and actively encouraging the deepening divide in our country. This is
unprecedented and until now entirely unimaginable. The dignity of the executive
office is in tatters. May Psalm 109:8 come to pass.
The controversy over Kaepernick had been fading for some time and was flickering
out when Trump abruptly breathes new life into it by bellowing like a mad bull,
calling NFL protestors foul names, accusing them of making us all ashamed.
Demeaning others is a common Trump tactic that become familiar to us. It always seemed perfectly timed to fan the flames and keep the public in a
constant uproar over one thing after another. It occurs with such regularity
that I can’t see it as mere coincidence.
RE: "Trump divides people" (3:27 p.m.)---That may be true.
But don't pretend these protests aren't also divisive.These protests are dividing America. And we were divided by them before Obama
left office. We were divided when it was just Kappernick and a few friends in
San Francisico (no Trump comment then). There were many opinion articles back
then, with people very passionately divided about patriotism and the protests
(that's division). No Trump back then.Don't pretend it
just started. It didn't. The shootings that started them happened 3
years ago (Obama was President, not Trump).They got much worse this
year (because Trump got involved).Anything that Trump gets involved
in gets much worse. Because some people hate Trump. So anything he says flips
them out. Yes he made it worse by saying anything. And he made it worse than
worse by saying such ugly things. But the division... the racial division...
was there before Trump. It was from police shootings that happened when Obama
was President.Am I wrong?Did we not have players
disrespecting the flag before Trump became President?Yes. We did.
And they were divisive then too.
Let's be honest... they WERE about racial equality (when Obama was
President). But they are surely about Trump now. I don't know how
people let that happened, but it's a sad thing. Because it turns these
protests into petty partisan bickering matches and people taking pot shots at
Trump, calling him a "Bum", etc. Which detracts from the discussion we
really should be having, about racial equality.If it hadn't
become about Trump... the protests could have done something useful.Alas... they have turned in to partisan bickering matches and people taking
their pot shots at the other side, instead of a mature and constructive
discussion of the issues of race that actually started these protests (when
OBAMA was President).
I think your missing the point, When Donald called on those player to be fired
and referred to their mothers in a deplorable manner, he caused the rest of the
players, to defend their fellow "employee's, right to take a knee. Bringing up that you have no right to free speech as an employee, has
nothing to do with this, since their employers haven't said a word, or have
actively joined them in solidarity.Nope the divider Trump brought
this on, as each new protester declared "I am Sparticus."A
real Leader unites, Trump like to feed his base, and in turn they feed his ego.
This op-ed glosses over a very important point: Trump denigrated the NFL players
by referring to them as SOBs. His disrespect or bigotry is one of a long line of
similar statements that for whatever reason his supporters and this op-ed writer
completely ignore. Hence, the unity in the NFL is not just to oppose Trump; it
is also intended to oppose racism, crassness, and disrespect.
Nailed it! The reality is that politicians and politics thrives off
division, fear, and anger. Without controversy we would be far less motivated to
be politically engaged, and if all candidates said the same things and
didn't turn their oponents into bigots, liars, theifs, and
ne'er-do-wells we wouldn't know who to vote for. Of course, they are
aware of this and find ways to keep themselves relevant.
How is Dez Bryant's comment any less honest than Kevin McCarthy's
comment about the actual motivations behind the Benghazi investigation? McCarthy said, "Everybody thought Hillary Clinton was unbeatable,
right? But we put together a Benghazi special committee. What are her numbers
today? Her numbers are dropping."Trump stoked this controversy
solely for political gain. What more "red meat" topic could throw an
Alabama audience into complete frenzy? Why was Trump in Alabama in the first
place? Because he had a horrible week. He needed his little feelings assuaged.
He made those comments against the counsel of his advisors. How
could those profane words Trump used to describe Kaepernick not personally
transfer to a majority of the NFL community? How could any black NFL player feel
race relations have improved under Trump? How many NFL players know Kaepernick
is talented enough to be playing in the league right now? Is he worse than Mike
Glennon, a starting NFL quarterback who has the mobility of a statue? Trump divides people and we are only seeing the beginning of it. Whining about
how this protest is unfairly directed at Trump is short-sighted analysis in the
OK, let's be honest. These protests, which were not about Trump, have
become all about Trump and the one to blame for that is no one other than Trump.
This is true for most who got involved for the first time this past weekend.
They were doing it as a display of support for their teammates or players (in
the case of management joining in) in the face of Trump's remarks. Very few
team statements referred to the original issue being protested (Seattle and
maybe 1 or 2 others).