Unfortunately, or maybe fortunately, I didn't get to see the game. I live
in TN and a bit removed from it. However, what I kind of see is this. Part of
it is recruiting. Who are you looking for? You have to have great talent in
order to compete. How is their conditioning? If they are dogging it in the
first half, there is a problem there. Joining a conference is a 50/50 thing.
They have tried, but in order to do so, they would have to change their promise
of not playing on Sunday, and giving up their network, which is more than just
football. They also have an honor code, that most schools would be afraid to
have. They have been giant killers before. For BYU, it does take time to
re-build, unlike most public schools with bigger budgets, like Alabama, USC,
etc. There will be more lean times then what most teams with deep pockets have.
Maybe Notre Dame will give us the game they owe us at home now.
The OL and the DL are about the poorest I have ever seen. It all starts there.
Fix that and BYU would be 3-1 right now.This season is as good as done and
the fans will prove that out in their attendance the rest of the year. I
don't even bother to watch the games anymore.
Relax and don't panic so much. Teams have ups and downs - look at Texas
for example. This is not the end of the world. No reason to over react.We just played LSU and Wisconsin. We have Miss St coming up. We have
played at Texas and had Texas here. There have been huge games in big NFL
stadiums as opposed to a steady diet of Wyoming. So we are losing
and this is a rough start. But lots of good is headed our way. Remember we are
still using all of the Bronco recruits for the most part - The Sitake
generation is still at Utah but on there way to BYU. Detmer is a
first time OC - cut the guy some space as if you all could do better. Even LaVell was not La Vell at first. Now in two years if things are still
bleak you can all come back and scream, until then relax and mellow out.
Watched the LSU/Mississippi State game. LSU looked worse than BYU did with
Wisconsin.BYU won't find its identity with Mississippi State.
They will be the best team BYU plays.
Problem isn't identity or gelling, like some BYU apologists want you to
believe. Problem IS that BYU lacks quality players, especially at
the skill positions.
BYU's cartoon identity is Linus sitting in the independent patch waiting
for the Great P5 Pumpkin to arrive. Its late, Sally left, and you missed out on
the candy. Come in from the cold, and use your remaining leverage to make the
The notion that they are trying to "find their identity" makes no sense
at all. Right now, BYU has an average D-1 football team that isn't
prepared to compete against upper-tier programs. It's a program that is
made up of terrific people who are doing their best, but right now their best is
just average. I was concerned when I first saw this year's football
schedule. They seem to be looking at themselves in a carnival mirror and need
to come back to reality. Instead of looking for an identity, they need to study
the film and figure out where they are falling short on both sides of the ball
and then try to do better next time. Identity? Not a big-time independent.
They need to get back into a conference in which they could at least be
This ain't rocket science, dump independance, the decision was wrong, a
failure. Envy and jealousy can cause one to make poor choices. If the MWC is
good enough for Boise State and SDSU, it's good enough for BYU.
BYU will never have the athletes to compete! Please drop down to Division II!
Going 7-5 to the where ever bowl is not competing to me!
I can't even begin to fathom anyone saying 'we have an identity
problem. That is nonsense. The so-called west-coast-offense will not work for
the Y until they get players similar to Wisconsin. That will not happen for the
foreseeable future. Also, they are not using Dye properly. He should be a
weapon but will not be until the offense uses him the way the Utes used Covey.
They are very similar. Size, speed, shiftiness. No way should he be trying for
a first down up the middle against monsters. But get the ball to him in the
open and watch him go. And zone pass defense will not work until pressure is
put on the qb. The qbs have had enough time to sit back and wait until their
receivers are open, something that will always happen against a zone. They need
to spread things out a bit. They simply don't have the players to play
what might work in the NFL.I'll always be a fan, but I
don't see any way the offense will improve if they continue to use what has
been unveiled so far. Not against good teams. We could have taken the Utes,
but the other two losses could have been put in the book before the season
began. Same with Miss State and possibly Boise State.
UtahBlueDevil: "Today's starters were no recruited by this coaching
staff. So lets not completely loose sight of the big picture."Urban Meyer did pretty good with players he didn't recruit. So does most
every good coach that takes over another program.As far as finding
an identity; that sounds like a lot of self-help mumbo- jumbo you're more
likely to hear from the likes of Tony Robbins. The problem appears to be deeper
than that- and it starts with the foolish, jealousy-inspired move to
I don't get the join a conference crusade. What conference? Not until and
if the NCAA reorganizes to support a true national championship game would BYU
have a chance for a conference.The real issue is that Independence
is not working in getting good games in November. The P5 teams schedule BCS
teams to "warm up" and then go into conference play. BYU plays Utah let
next year, I believe. The have a great series with Boise. Playing top 25 teams
in September is a very tough deal, but they played very well last year against
those teams.Independence was a big gamble, but a scheduling
arrangement a-la Notre Dame is probably the best opportunity, even if that
arrangement consists of g5 teams.
Identity problem? BYU-P's problem is they don't have good enough
ballplayers.Funny how nobody ever accuses Alabama of not having an
identity. They have the best players, so they tend to win, which seems to mask
any "identity" problems they might have.
None of this is really surprising. The Y was already struggling on offense and
then they had to play a freshman at quarterback. Those of us who watched them
last year saw them lose close games to ranked teams and struggling mightily on
offense. We didn't see anything from Mangum or the bunch to suggest they
were going to take a big step this year. And now we have a very mediocre team.
When Bronco first got to the Y he had a couple of ranked teams that
struggled against top teams like Wisconsin, but had a few NFL players on the
roster. They were able to beat some good teams and get ranked. Later on, he
decimated the Y's recruiting. It's going to take Sitake some time to
recover from that. I still believe that Sitake is the best head
coach for the program. He really cares and he's a good coach, but
there's a long way to go after the failed Bronco experience. Give it some
time and instead hope for improvement this year. Because that's all
you're going to get. And if you thought the Y would beat LSU
and Wisconsin, you set yourself up for disappointment.
Their identity is a bad football team. Can't catch, can't tackle, and
can't run. Not that difficult...but at least our fans are nice to the
Why was BYU wearing whites at home?
So that's the problem....they haven't found their identity. Hire a
couple of PhD's from the psychology department as assistants....one for
offense, one for defense. Problem solved.
BYU may beware of taking on a losing attitude. Confidence is shaken so bad,
especially considering the pre season hype, that regaining it may be super
difficult. It is very different losing if your actually in the games you play.
But when you get crushed over and over, doubt settles in. It was very
apparent after the Portland game. They won, but they acted as though they lost.
BYU Football has some real challenges ahead. Offense is so poor. Anyway...
wish em luck in that "identity" thing.
Ty Detmer is a legend but on the sideline he seems to be another fan watching
the game. It's his job to make the offensive scheme fit his personnel. Vice
versa is not working.
We are 1-3 and there is the possibility for us to have winning record.
Let's say that we finish 7-6 or 8-5, that means that any team described
with an adjective 'good' will have beaten us. By 'good', I
mean really good, very good, kind of good, pretty good, etc...How in
good conscience can we accept a bowl invite? I guess we can hang our heads
while we hold out our hand, as not to look them in the face. Our
SOS the last few years has been poor and getting worse.Have we no
shame? Is it worth it to be able to say, 'the streak is still alive'?
"BYU hasn’t started a season 1-4 since 2010, when Utah State handed
the Cougars their fourth consecutive loss that year, in Ogden."Great, next up for us is a road game at USU. I suddenly don't have a good
feeling about our chances.Someone tweeted the other day that BYU is
a 4 point underdog to BYE this week. Now that's being pretty pessimistic.
I'd say at worst we're only about a 2 point underdog.
Still a fan. The team has talent, it's not gelling together at
all. That being said the schedule is mostly teams that we can not
only compete against but win against. Disappointing season for sure,
but we'll go bowling and at some point it will work out, this season it
next season, I didn't expect Ty detmer to be an instant success, this is
bad but I'll keep my faith in the future. It's just
football, I love the games and remain a fan.
@Cougar Forever - I was going to post almost word for word what you wrote but
now I don't need to. This "find your identity" nonsense is just
that....nonsense. We know their "identity" this year. Maybe next year
that can change.
More than an identity, BYU needs to find some playmakers. Against Utah, even
when BYU got the ball at the end, I wasn't nervous in the least that the
Utes would lose because all of the playmakers on the field were wearing red. We
have yet to see any explosive plays out of BYU. No 50 yard bombs to a receiver,
no runner ripping through the secondary for a huge gain, no kick returns, no
pick 6 or scoop and score, no game changing QB sacks. I can't remember BYU
ever not having a couple of big play guys at QB and at one or more of the skill
positions on offense. Who is going to step up and make a play???
We have found our identity. This year we are a middle-of-the-road mid-major.
That's it pure and simple. We will be stomped on by P5 powers
(which this year includes LSU, Wisconsin and Mississippi State) and we will be
beaten in most games by semi-good P5 teams (Utah this year). We will be
competitive with almost any good G5 team (Boise State this year) and we easily
will defeat lower tier G5 teams (such as USU, ECU, Fresno State, San Jose State,
Hawaii) which fortunately is the bulk of our remaining schedule as well as a
struggling co-independent (UMass). The outcome of only one
remaining game is in doubt and that is the game at home with Boise State, a team
that we will beat if they play like they did most recently against New Mexico.
The other games are not in question. We are going to be
spanked hard by Mississippi State at their place. In fact, this beat down may
be historic. I dread even thinking about it. But anyone who thinks
we are in jeopardy of losing to Utah State is ignoring the wide talent gap
between the two teams. The other contests on the schedule are essentially
give-me games that will ensure that ESPN will need to find us a bowl game.
The teams identity..... I love all these doom and gloom prognostications here.
The teams identity is a team with a brand new coaching staff that is challenged
by a team that isn't the fastest, strongest, or even most talented at most
positions. Today's starters were no recruited by this coaching staff. So
lets not completely loose sight of the big picture.It is obvious
that this team isn't responding to the type of play these coaches are
trying to run. I am sure they have a reason why they did what they did.
Perhaps it is to start getting the team used to playing a different style of
ball. It was surely different to see a team that seemed out of sorts - that
couldn't defend - even a little. But there must be a master plan in there
somewhere. Let's hope the players and the fans hang in there
until the coaches let us know what the plan really is..... (as surely the
current plan isn't working.... even a little). At least CSU, while they
couldn't stop Alabama any better than BYU did Wisconsin, put some points on
the board.But i have faith..... we're a team building
something..... I just can't hardly wait to find out what it is.
I'm a BYU fan, but clearly they know their identity this year. Decent
defense, awful offense and with the remaining schedule there will be little
chance to change it now.To change that identity, BYU would have to
win all remaining games and start winning by a large margin which seems very
improbable. Still, I'm a fan and I expect them to do their best, go
As a long time Utah fan, I have watched this rivalry since the early 70's.
I can't say I'm not enjoying Utah's current run. However, I do
not understand how any BYU fan can continue to put up with this independence.
Losing several times in September every year, thus having nothing to play for,
and beating up on pathetic teams thereafter to reach a bowl is unfulfilling.
Nothing to play for from mid-Sepember onwards is deflating. Something needs to
change and you all know it.
This team is bad and obviously lacks the talent to compete at a P5 level. Things will improve once the schedule lightens up as we play the bottom
half of the MWC.
Everything that Malihini - Northern, UT said is spot on!
The nice thing about this week is they can certainly guarantee that they
won't be another loss.
Well the good news is BYU is guaranteed not to lose this week!
Their identity? Because of the poor strategy and execution of the athletic
administration (not necessarily of the football team) but the AD and staff, this
team and program is falling fast. Long term independence does not
work. They have become warm-up, pre-season game for top 25 teams. The
scheduling principle of "any team, anywhere" is not based on reality.
It is a failed model. If there were some real leadership in the athletic
department then BYU would schedule differently during this time that they are
independent and they would get themselves into a conference. The excuse that
they tried but didn't get an invite is a cop-out. The fact is, they
didn't get it done. Bottom line. Now they need to re-think
their strategy, schedule differently and try to get this thing salvaged. But of
course, that should have also happened about two years ago.
It's simple the players & coaches need to find the intensity this team
is lacking. It starts with 100% commitment to each other. These last four
games have been pathetic and so unlike BYU teams in the past. This team is
lacking unity and it translates to poor playing and poor coaching. Find unity
& intensity and BYU has a chance of winning more games then losing this
season. The foundation of every good team is players playing for each other and
coaches providing a plan that everyone is sold on. BYU has to find their
"us against the world" game face.
Cougar gear moving to the back of the closet until you guys figure this out.
Trying to find its identity. . .? I thought the team identity was becoming
clearer with every passing quarter of every passing game. Nearly all the fans
seem to think this is the case.
Their identity? I think that's been established. They're a warm up for
P-5 schools and then play cupcakes to get a few wins on the board. Their fans
give out ice cream to opponents fans while the team give out wins and tons of
yardage to the visiting team.
The last time BYU scored less than 40 points in its first four games
combined...1970when LaVell Edwards was still an
assistant coach.BYU's season hangs in the balance, with a win
at Utah St critical to getting BYU's season back on track for a bowl bid.