In our opinion: Utah can make a competitive pitch for Amazon’s new headquarters

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  • 2 bits Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Sept. 13, 2017 9:55 a.m.

    RE: "Utah political figures just scared off the biggest and broadest money multiplier this state has seen in years - the Outdoor Retailer"...
    Actually the outdoor retailer show is not the biggest or the broadest money multiplier.

    They come to town for a week, and pay no salaries to Utah families while they are here.

    Jobs give a paycheck to a Utah family every week. And insurance. And retirement benefits. Etc.

    These Utah families buy homes, buy food, pay taxes, etc (bigger multiplier).

    Sure convention folks buy beer while they are here, and maybe a tee shirt. But they are only here for a week. These companies are here every day, handing pay-checks to Utah families every week (not just 1 week).

    I'd rather have a pay check every week, than people spending money at bars and restaurants 1 or 2 weeks of the year.

    The Outdoor Retailers kinda took themselves out of Utah. That's their right.

    Blaming the convention moving (their decision) on our Governor not giving in to their political demands is kinda lame IMO.

    The Governor represents the voters who live in Utah every day of the year. Not the Outdoor Retailers who come to Utah for a week.

  • wasatchcascade Salt Lake City, Utah
    Sept. 12, 2017 12:13 p.m.

    50K jobs - how many families/individuals, how many new autos and what multiplier effect on roads, traffic, congestion; water resources, air pollution; crime, drugs, alcoholism. Land use planning should be incremental and societal, environmental and overall public needs should be factored in. To plug an entity of that magnitude near/at the Point of the Mountain - with traffic like it is now, in that situation; scary. I guess if one lives in Davis County, it's not an issue?

    And Utah political figures just scared off the biggest and broadest money multiplier this state has seen in years - the Outdoor Retailer, winter and summer and collateral groups planning conventions, year round. And those are visitors (most of them) who spent money and then left.

    Let's be careful what we wish for without imagining not just the bright, but also the dark consequences of such a ubiquitous operation.

  • Spangs Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 12, 2017 10:00 a.m.

    We can make a great case for why Utah is a great fit for Amazon!

    -Except for the part where we have the worst air in the nation and we refuse to do anything about it.

  • Anti Bush-Obama , 00
    Sept. 12, 2017 9:37 a.m.

    LDS Liberal

    So I guess capitalism is ok as long as your a Democrat. Amazon wants a total Monopoly on everything. I would think you wouldn't like that very much.

  • Vermonter Plymouth, MI
    Sept. 12, 2017 8:45 a.m.

    Amazon's owner, Jeff Bezos, now has enough wealth that this decision will not be purely a business decision, but also a political decision.

    As such, Utah is out, Texas also out. The Midwest (Detroit, etc.) out. (They have way too many Trump voters.)

    I would bet on either Chicago, Denver or as a dark horse (nod to cosmopolitanism) Toronto.

  • Baron Scarpia Logan, UT
    Sept. 12, 2017 6:10 a.m.

    Two significant barriers to Amazon coming here: One, air pollution. Two, lack of renewable energy sources.

    Increasingly, we're seeing business scouts coming here during ski/winter inversion season to check out opportunities, land, infrastructure, etc. and then proclaiming that once they experience Utah winters, they won't be back. Businesses don't want to be on the hook for the healthcare costs of employees "living" in our cocktail of winter pollution.

    And we saw how Facebook went to New Mexico because that state could meet the modern tech company's clean energy demands. Utah is still focused on the future of coal. When will Trump make good on his promise?

    Now we can go back to figuring out how to get Utah coal to ship out of Oakland's port to China, while Rocky Mountain Power builds wind in Wyoming and Idaho to export to Utah customers.

    Amazon is the future, but it probably won't be coming here.

  • LOU Montana Pueblo, CO
    Sept. 12, 2017 4:12 a.m.

    Utah hates outsiders but sure loves their money.

  • LDS Liberal Farmington, UT
    Sept. 11, 2017 7:48 p.m.

    Fact of the matter is,
    Amazon makes lots of money for delivery service,
    The 800 pound gorilla of their actual income via AWS - Amazon Web Services - which leases cloud net-work storage databases to almost all American corporations.

    Many years ago, in college computing classes - we nicknamed something like that as 'the Beast' - in reference to the Beast in the Book of Revelations.

    Think about it...

  • mcclark Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 11, 2017 4:48 p.m.

    In my opinion it should be against the law for local governments to bribe companies to build somewhere. All it does is pit different communities against each other and give tax breaks to companies that certainly dont need it. Build it where it makes the most sense, and no more bribes.

  • water rocket Magna, UT
    Sept. 11, 2017 4:32 p.m.

    While Utah has plenty to offer, it simply doesn't make sense to have a second distribution so close to their main location in Seattle. It makes far more sense to locate the new facility on the eastern side of the nation.

  • jsf Centerville, UT
    Sept. 11, 2017 2:16 p.m.

    you got to love that airnaut's home was built with materials from and that created the Beck street he complains about.

  • airnaut Everett, 00
    Sept. 11, 2017 1:58 p.m.

    Gotta love that "Welcome to Silicon Slopes" billboard,

    right beneath that huge Staker Parsons Construction site digging it all away...

    Face it,
    Silicon Slopes at the "Point of the Mountain" and Thanksgiving Point will end up becoming our 'Beck Street' of the 21st century.

  • jsf Centerville, UT
    Sept. 11, 2017 1:56 p.m.

    The only thing that Marxism promises with any historic certainty, is the benefits of genocide in Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, Crimean Tatars, Bulgarians, Greeks and Armenians.
    Seventy million Ukrainians. The Antifa thugs and gangs founders of the Marxist movement, destroying the Russian government.

    China and the millions executed in the name of Marxism.
    Cuba and the murder of thousands in the name of Marxism

    We listen to the anti discrimination efforts to eradicate and label all things confederate states as racist and bigoted, and yet, we have people promoting a life style that promotes the murder of innocents to create and maintain their economic system.

    To advocate this lifestyle is declaring the support of the millions of deaths in the name of Marxism. Denying it is the equivalent of arguing the secession of the southern states had nothing to do with slavery.

  • Johnny Triumph Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 11, 2017 1:00 p.m.

    There's less open space in Lehi than you might think. And the picture of the Thanksgiving Point area is misleading, all the property in the foreground is already underway for mixed residential/commercial.

  • Impartial7 DRAPER, UT
    Sept. 11, 2017 12:57 p.m.

    "Wait a minute...
    Didn't we just run Amazon out of the State?"

    No, that was the Outdoor retailers and their 500 million in 10 years. Without taxpayer funded incentives. Genius!

  • 2 bits Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Sept. 11, 2017 12:32 p.m.

    I wonder how many small/local businesses have lost business to Amazon.

    I wonder if there will come a day when Amazon is about the only place you can get most things.

    IMO Amazon is just like Wallmart (but online only). Same business model. They are so big, they can buy in such large amounts that they can negotiate the lowest prices. Prices some smaller stores can't touch.

    If they are bringing jobs to the State, it's good and bad.

    Each job pays taxes (which is good for education).
    But each job brings people (which is bad for the environment).

    So as with everything... there's more than one side to this story. Not all good or all bad.

    I hope they like it here. There's absolutely no value to attracting a business to locate here and then making them and their employees miserable they decided to relocate here.


    Don't know how Impartial7 got off on the predominate religion tangent. I really don't see what having lots of Mormons in Utah has to do with this. They are just people. Pretty much like any other person. I seriously doubt "Most of the crimes in Utah are committed by the dominant religion".

    Gonna have to cite your source on that one Impartial.

  • Seldom Seen Smith Orcutt, CA
    Sept. 11, 2017 12:25 p.m.

    More is better, buy big, consume huge.

  • AZKID Mapleton, UT
    Sept. 11, 2017 11:48 a.m.

    Bring it on. I want same-day drone deliveries of my Amazon Prime orders...

  • marxist Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 11, 2017 11:35 a.m.

    @2bits "Oh wait.. I see they are already out there with their anti-business dogma."

    OK, this can be appreciated on several levels. On one level Amazon is indeed an economic plum, one which will help our population cope to a degree. So I guess we go for it.

    But at the same time we of the rank-and-file need to appreciate what is going on. This is an example of capital shaking down government, shifting burdens onto the middle and working classes. Moreover, non-union outfits like Amazon are major reasons for 40 years worth of wage stagnation, with accompanying hollowing out of the middle class. And most of these Amazon jobs are dead-end jobs, i.e. little advancement potential.

    So my message is, at some point labor has to be thrown a few scraps. The need for spreading the wealth becomes obvious. So while we are giving away the store to Amazon, let's think of how labor might be made better off in terms of household income.

    Of course in the end only labor can help itself through organizing, a very dangerous thing. My grandpa was a union organizer who was nearly assassinated on several occasions by company goons. Things are almost as dangerous today.

  • Impartial7 DRAPER, UT
    Sept. 11, 2017 11:20 a.m.

    "I disagree. Utah, even the Salt Lake City area, used to be a quite city with relatively no crime, and high moral values, regardless of the dominant religion here."

    Most of the crimes in Utah, especially the big dollar crimes, are committed by the dominant religion.

  • 2 bits Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Sept. 11, 2017 11:15 a.m.

    Re: "In short, Mr. Bezos, you’d be crazy not to move here"...
    Wait a minute...
    Didn't we just run Amazon out of the State?

    Oh wait... that was Facebook. Oh well... that's different. Amazon is probably OK. They can stay.

    Where are the people who ran Facebook out of town on this one? They going to get all up in arms again?

    Oh wait.. I see they are already out there with their anti-business dogma.

  • marxist Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 11, 2017 11:03 a.m.

    Only a leftist like me would pose the following question, but here goes:

    What percentage of Amazon's workforce has industrial democracy? Or in other words, what percentage of Amazon's workforce is unionized?

    I think the percentage is zero. But then this is all the more reason for the D-News to love this outfit. And they will fit in perfectly in anti-union Utah.

    And I find your relishing Utah's government handing goodies left and right to Amazon disgusting.

  • Open Minded Mormon Everett, 00
    Sept. 11, 2017 10:44 a.m.

    Ain't gonna happen.

    Washington State has a state lottery and no income tax.

    Besides - Jeff Bezos is also VERY liberal, and next to Elon Musk is one of the most uber-Progressives on the planet!

    Wishful thinking....

    If Utah is even being considered,
    it is just as a bargaining chip to low the preferred location.

    The Amazon warehouse and Rocky Mountain distribution center is about the best Utah is gonna get.

  • imsmarterthanyou Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 11, 2017 10:26 a.m.

    I disagree. Utah, even the Salt Lake City area, used to be a quite city with relatively no crime, and high moral values, regardless of the dominant religion here. I long for those days when you asked someone where they were from and their answer wasn't predominantly California or Mexico. Now, most of our population is from either of those places. We have shootings every day, murder, gangs, drug dealers on the streets, & crazy mayors trying to scatter them all across the valley. Amazon, please build your new facility in california or texas and keep your flocking employees out of our state. One of the biggest problems with Utah is that most of the people here are from somewhere else.

  • liberal larry Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 11, 2017 10:16 a.m.

    A "conservative" newspaper beseeching the government to pay to lure in businesses, build transportation infrastructure, provide for the homeless, and promote the arts, and outdoor recreation!

    And people say that Utah is "red" state!

  • Impartial7 DRAPER, UT
    Sept. 11, 2017 10:14 a.m.

    Yeah, just what we need. More traffic, more pollution and more lower wage jobs. Google Amazon and worker satisfaction- it's not good. We don't need them and we don't need another governmental attempt to give away millions of taxpayer dollars to the world's richest man.