@wasatchcascade,RE: "Utah political figures just scared off the
biggest and broadest money multiplier this state has seen in years - the Outdoor
Retailer"...---Actually the outdoor retailer show is not the
biggest or the broadest money multiplier.They come to town for a
week, and pay no salaries to Utah families while they are here.Jobs
give a paycheck to a Utah family every week. And insurance. And retirement
benefits. Etc.These Utah families buy homes, buy food, pay taxes,
etc (bigger multiplier).Sure convention folks buy beer while they
are here, and maybe a tee shirt. But they are only here for a week. These
companies are here every day, handing pay-checks to Utah families every week
(not just 1 week).I'd rather have a pay check every week, than
people spending money at bars and restaurants 1 or 2 weeks of the year.The Outdoor Retailers kinda took themselves out of Utah. That's their
right.Blaming the convention moving (their decision) on our Governor
not giving in to their political demands is kinda lame IMO.The
Governor represents the voters who live in Utah every day of the year. Not the
Outdoor Retailers who come to Utah for a week.
50K jobs - how many families/individuals, how many new autos and what multiplier
effect on roads, traffic, congestion; water resources, air pollution; crime,
drugs, alcoholism. Land use planning should be incremental and societal,
environmental and overall public needs should be factored in. To plug an entity
of that magnitude near/at the Point of the Mountain - with traffic like it is
now, in that situation; scary. I guess if one lives in Davis County, it's
not an issue?And Utah political figures just scared off the biggest
and broadest money multiplier this state has seen in years - the Outdoor
Retailer, winter and summer and collateral groups planning conventions, year
round. And those are visitors (most of them) who spent money and then left. Let's be careful what we wish for without imagining not just the
bright, but also the dark consequences of such a ubiquitous operation.
We can make a great case for why Utah is a great fit for Amazon! -Except for the part where we have the worst air in the nation and we refuse
to do anything about it.
LDS LiberalSo I guess capitalism is ok as long as your a Democrat.
Amazon wants a total Monopoly on everything. I would think you wouldn't
like that very much.
Amazon's owner, Jeff Bezos, now has enough wealth that this decision will
not be purely a business decision, but also a political decision.As
such, Utah is out, Texas also out. The Midwest (Detroit, etc.) out. (They have
way too many Trump voters.)I would bet on either Chicago, Denver or
as a dark horse (nod to cosmopolitanism) Toronto.
Two significant barriers to Amazon coming here: One, air pollution. Two, lack
of renewable energy sources.Increasingly, we're seeing business
scouts coming here during ski/winter inversion season to check out
opportunities, land, infrastructure, etc. and then proclaiming that once they
experience Utah winters, they won't be back. Businesses don't want to
be on the hook for the healthcare costs of employees "living" in our
cocktail of winter pollution.And we saw how Facebook went to New
Mexico because that state could meet the modern tech company's clean energy
demands. Utah is still focused on the future of coal. When will Trump make
good on his promise?Now we can go back to figuring out how to get
Utah coal to ship out of Oakland's port to China, while Rocky Mountain
Power builds wind in Wyoming and Idaho to export to Utah customers.Amazon is the future, but it probably won't be coming here.
Utah hates outsiders but sure loves their money.
Fact of the matter is, Amazon makes lots of money for delivery service,
BUTThe 800 pound gorilla of their actual income via AWS - Amazon Web
Services - which leases cloud net-work storage databases to almost all American
corporations.Many years ago, in college computing classes - we
nicknamed something like that as 'the Beast' - in reference to the
Beast in the Book of Revelations.Think about it...
In my opinion it should be against the law for local governments to bribe
companies to build somewhere. All it does is pit different communities against
each other and give tax breaks to companies that certainly dont need it. Build
it where it makes the most sense, and no more bribes.
While Utah has plenty to offer, it simply doesn't make sense to have a
second distribution so close to their main location in Seattle. It makes far
more sense to locate the new facility on the eastern side of the nation.
you got to love that airnaut's home was built with materials from and that
created the Beck street he complains about.
Gotta love that "Welcome to Silicon Slopes" billboard, right
beneath that huge Staker Parsons Construction site digging it all away...Face it, Silicon Slopes at the "Point of the Mountain" and
Thanksgiving Point will end up becoming our 'Beck Street' of the 21st
The only thing that Marxism promises with any historic certainty, is the
benefits of genocide in Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, Crimean Tatars, Bulgarians,
Greeks and Armenians.Seventy million Ukrainians. The Antifa thugs and
gangs founders of the Marxist movement, destroying the Russian government. China and the millions executed in the name of Marxism. Cuba and
the murder of thousands in the name of Marxism We listen to
the anti discrimination efforts to eradicate and label all things confederate
states as racist and bigoted, and yet, we have people promoting a life style
that promotes the murder of innocents to create and maintain their economic
system. To advocate this lifestyle is declaring the support of the
millions of deaths in the name of Marxism. Denying it is the equivalent of
arguing the secession of the southern states had nothing to do with slavery.
There's less open space in Lehi than you might think. And the picture of
the Thanksgiving Point area is misleading, all the property in the foreground is
already underway for mixed residential/commercial.
@2bits;"Wait a minute...Didn't we just run Amazon out of
the State?"No, that was the Outdoor retailers and their 500
million in 10 years. Without taxpayer funded incentives. Genius!
I wonder how many small/local businesses have lost business to Amazon.I wonder if there will come a day when Amazon is about the only place you can
get most things.IMO Amazon is just like Wallmart (but online only).
Same business model. They are so big, they can buy in such large amounts that
they can negotiate the lowest prices. Prices some smaller stores can't
touch.If they are bringing jobs to the State, it's good and
bad.Each job pays taxes (which is good for education).But each
job brings people (which is bad for the environment).So as with
everything... there's more than one side to this story. Not all good or
all bad.I hope they like it here. There's absolutely no value
to attracting a business to locate here and then making them and their employees
miserable they decided to relocate here.===Don't
know how Impartial7 got off on the predominate religion tangent. I really
don't see what having lots of Mormons in Utah has to do with this. They
are just people. Pretty much like any other person. I seriously doubt
"Most of the crimes in Utah are committed by the dominant religion".Gonna have to cite your source on that one Impartial.
More is better, buy big, consume huge.
Bring it on. I want same-day drone deliveries of my Amazon Prime orders...
@2bits "Oh wait.. I see they are already out there with their anti-business
dogma."OK, this can be appreciated on several levels. On one
level Amazon is indeed an economic plum, one which will help our population cope
to a degree. So I guess we go for it.But at the same time we of the
rank-and-file need to appreciate what is going on. This is an example of
capital shaking down government, shifting burdens onto the middle and working
classes. Moreover, non-union outfits like Amazon are major reasons for 40 years
worth of wage stagnation, with accompanying hollowing out of the middle class.
And most of these Amazon jobs are dead-end jobs, i.e. little advancement
potential.So my message is, at some point labor has to be thrown a
few scraps. The need for spreading the wealth becomes obvious. So while we are
giving away the store to Amazon, let's think of how labor might be made
better off in terms of household income.Of course in the end only
labor can help itself through organizing, a very dangerous thing. My grandpa
was a union organizer who was nearly assassinated on several occasions by
company goons. Things are almost as dangerous today.
@imsmarterthanyou;"I disagree. Utah, even the Salt Lake City area,
used to be a quite city with relatively no crime, and high moral values,
regardless of the dominant religion here."Most of the crimes in
Utah, especially the big dollar crimes, are committed by the dominant religion.
Re: "In short, Mr. Bezos, you’d be crazy not to move here"...---Wait a minute...Didn't we just run Amazon out of the
State?Oh wait... that was Facebook. Oh well... that's
different. Amazon is probably OK. They can stay.Where are the
people who ran Facebook out of town on this one? They going to get all up in
arms again?Oh wait.. I see they are already out there with their
Only a leftist like me would pose the following question, but here goes:What percentage of Amazon's workforce has industrial democracy? Or
in other words, what percentage of Amazon's workforce is unionized?I think the percentage is zero. But then this is all the more reason
for the D-News to love this outfit. And they will fit in perfectly in
anti-union Utah.And I find your relishing Utah's government
handing goodies left and right to Amazon disgusting.
Ain't gonna happen.Washington State has a state lottery and no
income tax.Besides - Jeff Bezos is also VERY liberal, and next to
Elon Musk is one of the most uber-Progressives on the planet!Wishful
thinking....If Utah is even being considered, it is just as a
bargaining chip to low the preferred location.The Amazon warehouse
and Rocky Mountain distribution center is about the best Utah is gonna get.
I disagree. Utah, even the Salt Lake City area, used to be a quite city with
relatively no crime, and high moral values, regardless of the dominant religion
here. I long for those days when you asked someone where they were from and
their answer wasn't predominantly California or Mexico. Now, most of our
population is from either of those places. We have shootings every day, murder,
gangs, drug dealers on the streets, & crazy mayors trying to scatter them
all across the valley. Amazon, please build your new facility in california or
texas and keep your flocking employees out of our state. One of the biggest
problems with Utah is that most of the people here are from somewhere else.
A "conservative" newspaper beseeching the government to pay to lure in
businesses, build transportation infrastructure, provide for the homeless, and
promote the arts, and outdoor recreation!And people say that Utah is
Yeah, just what we need. More traffic, more pollution and more lower wage jobs.
Google Amazon and worker satisfaction- it's not good. We don't need
them and we don't need another governmental attempt to give away millions
of taxpayer dollars to the world's richest man.