'Stop! I’ve done nothing wrong': Nurse shares police video of 'crazy' arrest by S.L. officer

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  • Lib on Planet Zion Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 6, 2017 2:00 p.m.

    at long last. . . - Kirksville , MO

    "Yet another reason to avoid going to Salt Lake City. If the homeless don't get you, then the cops will".

    States the poster from a town of roughly 17K in population with two, possibly three stop lights! They call them small towns for a reason...No one desires to live there!

  • neece Hyde Park, UT
    Sept. 5, 2017 10:11 a.m.

    oh my gosh! There were so many things that went wrong and on soooo many levels! To the police officer who arrested Alex, First what was the hurry? I don't think the patient was going anywhere...
    2nd: Everyone knows you need a warrant! What was the problem getting one?

    Third: Why arrest Alex when there were multiple supervisors advising him he was in the wrong.

    Fourth: The U of U police failed Alex, They were there to protect and serve the hospital staff. He could have just told the officer to get a warrant or come back when things got sorted out.

    Fifth: Why aren't these officers on Leave? Even "lay" persons like me can see what went wrong. All should be on leave and attending training classes especially on interpersonal relationships

    I am saddened by what happened and hope Alex can get past all of this... and personally and I am not one to sue people... needs to go after these agencies to give them a message that this kind of behavior will not be tolerated..

  • NotPam Tremonton, UT
    Sept. 5, 2017 2:22 a.m.

    I am a retired ER RN. (incl. UofU). 24 yrs ago, in another SLC ER, I was slugged in the shoulder by a surgeon. He wanted his info from the patient, who was confused, and didn't have it. But I did.
    Ultimately, I was backed by nursing admin, but the chief of staff and the hospital backed the dr. It was un-witnessed. His word against mine.

    The physical damage was minimal. The emotional damage was not.

    Nurses advocate for their patients, regardless of race, sex, religion etc., or their actions. We don't make the rules, but are required to enforce them.
    We work with officers on a daily basis. They need us as much as we need them.

    Jeff Payne has set back those relationships many years by his actions. Who does he think he is, taking a nurse from her duty/patients!?!
    Shame on him. Shame on SLC PD for waiting for this exposure to act. Shame on UofU for doing the same!

    Would you like your ER nurse to back you as a patient?
    Then it's about time these abuses are exposed and halted.

    Reprimand Payne, the UofU security, and campus police!

    Thank you Alex, for standing up to a bully, and making it known!
    I hope change will come, for the sake of future nurses and patients.

  • tomcatn Parsons, KS
    Sept. 3, 2017 11:36 p.m.

    Here is how I see this matter. CONTEMPT OF COP;

    Let me tell you, there are all kinds of cops out there. Most of them are decent and hard-working. I have some inside knowledge of this kind of thing as I used to be a cop. The officer either truly wasn't up to snuff, or he was trying to bluff his way to get what he wanted. Either way, it seems it's all about POWER with him. He made his demand for the blood sample and it was refused by the nurse. In his power hungry mind, it's now a matter of "CONTEMPT OF COP," pure and simple and he is now mad and tries to bluff the nurse by threatening to arrest her.

    As a side note; I believe this type of cop and this type of behavior is exactly why so many people do not trust and do not like cops. Shoving their weight around - just because they can. They give the good cops a bad name and should be terminated for such behavior. I think this would go a long way in restoring better relationships between cops and citizens. I have a lot of respect for law enforcement - but there are many cops out there I have no respect for. I'm sure some of you have had similar experiences with the cops who aren't so nice. Maybe in time they'll learn...

  • JoÃo United kingdom, 00
    Sept. 3, 2017 6:00 p.m.

    After reading all, I do remain with so many open questions.

    Why a video from the police camera was shared publicly?

    What is the hidden message for this leak? Attack a class of professionals to intimidate them?

    Who wins in this case, if anybody?

    Why after all that was said and done, that police officer is still a police officer?

    Why so many shock and horror stories coming this days from USA?

    What are they planning to deploy internally, so that population say, there was no other way?

    Trump is the face of that shock and awe .

    But not clear yet is the true objective of his presence at the White House.

    He sure is there, but with so many people not voting , he does not represent and reflect a nation.

    However, some points being released from USA quite resemble him.

    Too many open questions yet. But time will reveal them all.

    Just curious, just curious, why so much power against a nurse?

    Why everyone has to have a lawyer this days to be able to work?

    We spend more time reading law and regulations than actually doing work.

    A broken nail and you can sue a person?

    This police officer did something very wrong, and still no consequences?

  • michaelrose Pompano Beach, FL
    Sept. 3, 2017 10:28 a.m.

    I can only hope that the Salt Lake City Police Department has that animal Payne in control. In the video, it's plain to see how "pumped up" he was. Maybe have HIM supply a blood sample wouldn't be a bad idea. I'd bet a dollar to a dime he has steroids in his system. What he did to that poor woman, who's job is saving lives is certainly not the behavior of somebody who is in control of his actions. He should not be allowed to have any interactions with the public now or in the future...

  • QZ Spokane, WA
    Sept. 2, 2017 6:17 p.m.

    The officer who shows up after the chirpy "Hello sir, would you like to talk to this young lady?" starts some really creepy stuff. The new guy is clearly supposed to be the classic Good Cop, but he quickly devolves into Condescending Cop.

    12:42 "if we're doing wrong, ok ... there are civil penalties" (Truer and more ironic words were never spoken.) IF as he suggests it leads to evidence being tossed (isn't that more accurately the criminal arena?) it wouldn't absolve the nurse of violating HER duty. And so what, the police commonly claim qualified immunity (even after egregious errors) and are certainty NOT going to assume liability for Nurse Wubbels acting as their agent. They can't force her to do something illegal.

    15:50 "there's a very bad habit up here of your policy interfering with MY law." Sorry officer, the law belongs to ALL of us, for the PROTECTION of all of us.

    Other interesting bits:

    6:57 rotund security guy helpfully hits door opener as Payne is muscling her out the door. Carries on his call like it's everyday.

    11:42 "the person you're trying to protect is the victim". Good line, but can I pick established jurisprudence over the good intentions of the police?

  • worf McAllen, TX
    Sept. 2, 2017 12:06 p.m.

    Some folks don't deserve being a police officer.

  • OlderGoat Camano Island, WA
    Sept. 2, 2017 11:00 a.m.

    Officer Payne should be fired:
    1. He doesn't know the law fundamental to a job that he supposedly performs regularly.
    2. He mistreated a public servant, ignoring advice from others, including another officer, and without consulting a more knowledgable authority.
    3. He failed to stand up to his superior who apparently gave him an illegal order.

    This just reinforces stereotypes about bad policing, the bullying mentality of some officers, and why blacks fear police stops.

  • Bill Phillips Vernal, UT
    Sept. 2, 2017 10:00 a.m.

    Thank you so much for standing up to this officer who was violating rights all over the burn center.

    It is so frustrating that in order to secure their rights, people are forced to go the expense of hiring an attorney. And one person going to that expense and effort still doesn't get the message through to cops like this who think they can violate rights at will.

  • Misty Mountain Kent, WA
    Sept. 2, 2017 8:06 a.m.

    Payne attempted to get a blood sample in violation of the law. Not much question about that. But there's more going on here than one cop being a bully. What was going on that his superiors wanted that sample so badly? A few commenters hinted at it: that the SLPD feared a that the seriously injured truck driver would sue them? And that they hoped, somehow, that he had some substance in his blood that they could use as a defense?

    But all accounts are that the truck driver was doing nothing wrong--just cruising along, obeying the law. Even if the cops could find evidence of alcohol or drugs--big IF--there's zero evidence that this was contributory to his getting smacked by someone fleeing the police.

  • Not-in-Utah-anymore , CA
    Sept. 2, 2017 7:40 a.m.

    You know, I hate to sound all 'conspiracy-theoryish,' but when you watch the video of the crash that put the truck driver/off-duty officer in the hospital, it looks like the guy running from the cops rammed the truck on purpose. I saw the video on the sltrib site, and some comments suggest police liability in a 'suicice by police chase' situation, and a possible reason for the aggressive police behavior over the blood...?

  • CUSTARDPIE40 Vernon, CT
    Sept. 2, 2017 6:26 a.m.

    The Cop was way out of bounds in his actions. This is the garbage you see on tv, not real life. He does not deserve to be " Serving the Public " If he doesnt get his way he goes ballistic and publically embaresses a Nurse because he didnt have a Warrent for Blood samples?, and no the victim was not a suspect because he was a VICTIM. That Nurse can have a heck of a Lawsuit against that Officer and the City, and as for that other Cop? he did make a good statue...that's about it. The comments the Cop made about bringing all the good Patients elsewhere and just transients to this Hospital? Why is he still Employed? is there a Cover up in the Police Dept? They all related?

  • RF Salem, OR
    Sept. 1, 2017 9:15 p.m.

    This is terrifying. This officer should not be on administrative leave while an investigation is being done. If a regular person had done anything like this he would be arrested and charged. And not one person there could do anything at all to stop this officer from acting the way he did. They just stood by as she pleaded for help. There were three other officers there and one was on the phone talking. I would have thought that he should have been calling someone in charge to do something right away. This is a violation of basic rights there was nothing that should or could justify they way this officer acted. And why did the police department head's not know this happened before it showed up on the internet. YOU know they knew about it. And not until it was shown to the public did they take action. This is very terrifying.

  • ZION4MAN Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 1, 2017 6:59 p.m.

    Attitudes usually come from the top down......the SLCPD onsite supervisor was being just as much a bully as Payne. They should both be fired.

  • HSTucker Holladay, UT
    Sept. 1, 2017 6:07 p.m.

    "Any comments in this feed that say anything other than this cop was wrong and should be severely reprimanded or fired should be deleted."

    Because people should be prevented from saying things we don't like?

    Let's not compound one miscarriage of justice with another.

  • Sailor376 Oakland, MI
    Sept. 1, 2017 5:00 p.m.

    Now I have seen the video. Before I had just read the two articles.

    Is this where we want to live? Is a police officer violating his oath of office, exceeding his authority have anything to do with the US Constitution?

    Arrest and charge Payne. And then fire him.

  • Tolstoy salt lake, UT
    Sept. 1, 2017 4:43 p.m.

    So many issues with you logic but let me address the first and last.
    You state "Medical personnel can draw blood without consent, I really don't see why law enforcement should need to have it." There is a significant constitutional difference between implied consent when medial personnel draw blood as a part of thier effort to provide life saving care to an uncontious patient and an officer drawing blood without consent to incriminate a person.
    As to your comment about abuse. What you claim your prinicpal did is abuse and while you were fortunate enough to come through that without what you believe to be harm the 1650 children killed every year from such abused are not so fortunate and can no longer speak up to refute your claims about abuse.

  • datahut Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 1, 2017 3:46 p.m.

    Cowardly abuse of the authority entrusted to anyone by their job deserves nothing short of employment termination. This officer represented no authority other than his own. Perhaps the deeper attitude of abuse here involves the police union. Do they really think they could go up against the political clout of the nurses union and medical profession? Little bit of hubris and over-reach there. Hope this guy or those who supported this attitude don't end up in an ER anytime soon.

  • why play SAINT GEORGE, UT
    Sept. 1, 2017 2:55 p.m.

    Living in white Utah all my life & never having had a negative experience with the law, I've been a strong supporter & defender of law enforcement. I've struggled for years trying to understand the discrimination minorities claim they experience. For the most part, I've given the benefit of the doubt to law enforcement and felt the "discrimination" has been blown out of proportion by political hacks exploiting a particular situation.

    After watching this video, I think I get it. The video is disturbing beyond belief!! More disgusting than an out-of-control scum roughing up the nurse is the cocky dude trying to rationalize what happened. His explanation that "there are civil laws in place that will protect the victim and it will go away if his rights were violated" is sickening! He was trying to justify breaking the law, by using the law to claim "no harm no foul"! It's not just a bad apple, but appears to be a prevalent attitude of the SLPD, validated by one officer lying and justifying another officer's inappropriate actions. Disgusting on all levels! My apologies for my ignorance to all those who have been unlawfully wronged. No one deserves to be treated like that!!

  • tired old man Dungannon, VA
    Sept. 1, 2017 2:48 p.m.

    The officer said he was ordered by his boss to arrest her and that he was going to do what his boss ordered. I believe the officer has the duty not to follow an unlawful order.

  • Sailor376 Oakland, MI
    Sept. 1, 2017 2:12 p.m.

    There is an option for Alex Wubbles under Utah law.

    Alex Wubbles would be within her rights,,, and duties,, under Utah law to arrest Officer Payne.

    Citizen arrest is recognized by law in Utah. Multiple charges could apply, but aggravated kidnapping would do for a start. I would recommend she do it.

  • Misty Mountain Kent, WA
    Sept. 1, 2017 2:11 p.m.

    EricP writes,

    "The police officers suddenly detained me and took me out of the airport, claiming I was interfering with the procedure by notifying them that if I were touched inappropriately then I would be following up with a lawsuit ."

    It doesn't appear that they "detained" you as much as escorted you out of the airport because you essentially refused to comply with TSA regs--and therefore had no reason to be on airport premises.

    I understand that you expected that you would be offended (and that this offendedness was severe enough to be worth financial compensation). But the area you are referring to is big enough to conceal a box-cutter, a utility knife, or even a small pistol.

    The 9-11 terrorists were armed with box cutters. They used them to cut the flight attendants' throats.

    Do you think that the TSA people should have not touched the area you refer to as "privates"--and just let you on the plane anyway? Would your answer change if the passenger were a 27 year old Saudi male? As opposed to a born and bred 27 year old American male--who'd completed four years in the Marines?

    I've just described Timothy McVeigh.

  • LDSAZ Casa Grande, AZ
    Sept. 1, 2017 1:52 p.m.

    UTAttorney

    "The officer was actually right here IF the officer on scene had grounds to believe the driver was DUI. The implied consent law actually DOES allow for a blood draw under those circumstances, even without a warrant. This situation will depend on the reasoning for doing the draw in the first place. The hospital policy, despite allowing for warrants, is per se obstruction of justice if the implied consent law applies."

    I think you are wrong. What possible legal grounds could the officer have as "grounds to believe the driver was DUI"? Officers cannot stop drivers nor steal vials of blood unless there is illegal activity detected prior to the stop or investigation. Good luck with your career, but you need to find another job - just like this officer. He should be fired from both jobs. You give lawyers a bad name and waste taxpayer money when clearly the department is at fault here. If the officer was following orders, the giver of the order should also be reprimanded sharply for violating basic rights.

  • clwnuke Park City, UT
    Sept. 1, 2017 1:45 p.m.

    One more comment: I just don't see anything in this video other than officers wanting to do their job. They were reasonable and patient, but eventually they needed to actually do their job. They didn't hurt the nurse so there was no reason for her to wail, cry, and scream. She could have politely put her hands behind her back and complied. Loud screams do not equal mistreatment. Have we become so soft as a society that we see this as mistreatment? There are examples of mistreatment out in the world that the officers deal with day in and day out. This was nothing of the kind.

    Clearly many people think the officers were in the wrong, and I respect their opinions, but there was less mistreatment here than in the principal's office when I was kid and got a a taste of the "board of education" as he called it.

  • Cinci Man FT MITCHELL, KY
    Sept. 1, 2017 1:44 p.m.

    UTAttorney

    "The officer was actually right here IF the officer on scene had grounds to believe the driver was DUI. The implied consent law actually DOES allow for a blood draw under those circumstances, even without a warrant. This situation will depend on the reasoning for doing the draw in the first place. The hospital policy, despite allowing for warrants, is per se obstruction of justice if the implied consent law applies."

    I think you need to return to law school. The DUI suspicion only applies if the officer had reason to believe that the alcohol led to the innocent accident. But this officer already knew that the cause of the accident was the negligent and illegal fleeing of the driver who was killed. He was being chased by the police, so this is not a stretch.

    By your thinking, then the police could stop every driver to check for alcohol or could confiscate every vial of hospital blood looking for alcohol in the blood. That's a Police State and ignores fundamental rights. A fishing expedition doesn't constitute grounds for DUI. This truck driver was not suspected of any crime and DUI did not cause this accident. You would lose this case in court.

  • Commenter88 Salt Lake City, Utah
    Sept. 1, 2017 1:40 p.m.

    It's clear that SLPD violated its own agreement with the hospital in arresting the nurse. However, it doesn't appear that Payne used individual, rogue discretion in making the arrest.

    If you watch the entire 19 minute video, it is obvious that Payne is not acting alone on the arrest and additional SLPD arrive on the scene to double down on the decision to arrest. The second officer who spent numerous minutes explaining why the nurse is being arrested makes it sound like this was a clear cut department policy.

    This goes deeper than Payne.

  • MTerry SANDY, UT
    Sept. 1, 2017 1:36 p.m.

    This is a case of a big burly cop who didn't want his machismo threatened by anyone, especially a female nurse who was simply following protocol.

  • riptide Provo, UT
    Sept. 1, 2017 1:28 p.m.

    "We have each other's backs on many different levels" -A police officer who lives near me extolling the brotherhood police have for each other. It is unfortunate that there have been so many examples of Utah law enforcement having each other's backs at the expense of the innocent when it comes to improper arrest, inappropriate use of force, lies, and other behavior that undermines their trust and credibility. This incident of unlawful arrest and intimidation in Salt Lake. False accusations by Layton police that a young man at Subway drugged him, causing the young man's mission to be postponed, no apology for months after he was proven innocent. Just the other day I was personally lied-to by a police officer when I asked what was going on when I observed them peeking in multiple parked car windows and a neighbor's house. Provo police chief fiasco. False arrest for child porn that led a man to take his own life because he felt nobody would ever believe he was innocent. Sting operations set up next to a playground that endangered toddlers and their mothers with police pointing guns that direction. Many more examples if comment length-limit permitted. Not just a couple of bad apples.

  • Tekakaromatagi Dammam, Saudi Arabia
    Sept. 1, 2017 1:14 p.m.

    Two thoughts.

    It happened a month ago. If you an officer makes that big of a mistake, wouldn't the prudent thing for his management to do is to call it out and admit that a huge mistake had been made. For the point of transparency.

    The second thing is that my first impression is that the SLPD must not have any training for an officer to make that big of a mistake. But they may have the training but they may have an environment where officers feel like they will be punished for not following an order. The officer was told to get a blood sample, so he was doing what he was told. Now, of course, when he was told that he did not have a warrant that should have been the end of that. But did he have a fear of being fired if he did not do what he was told? He is less concerned about following values than following rules.

  • clwnuke Park City, UT
    Sept. 1, 2017 1:06 p.m.

    Medical personnel can draw blood without consent, I really don't see why law enforcement should need to have it. The laws should be changed to support the right of law enforcement to test anyone involved in an accident. The inconvenience and invasion of privacy is small and the value is tremendous - the exact same reasons we let medical people invade our privacy without consent to save our lives or to treat our injuries.

    I've disliked HIPAA since it was passed. It makes it very inconvenient to help people in need that you know and reinforces the God-complex of doctors and nurses. It's so frustrating to hear a medical person say they want your money to pay for somebody's care, but they can't tell you what you are paying for. IMHO it's no information=no payment. I support it's full repeal and leaving the issue to the states.

  • Hugo West Jordan, UT
    Sept. 1, 2017 12:55 p.m.

    As citizens of a free society, we get to decide what powers we allow police officers to wield. Unfortunately, it's past time we revisit this issue and start to seriously curtail what power we allow our police officers to hold.

    While normally a defender of the important role of the police, there's just too many videos out there of completely improper behavior for us to continue to allow them to have the power we had entrusted in them.

    We're all well aware that doing so will make it more difficult for officers to do their jobs but it has to be done because they are no longer good stewards of the trust we placed in them.

  • Eric P Boise, ID
    Sept. 1, 2017 12:54 p.m.

    Good for the nurse! She knew the law (the Constitution) and held her ground. We need more people to stand up for what is right!

    It appears there are a few impatient, power-hungry apples in the SLPD. I ran into a pair of them when at the SLC airport while challenging the TSA to show where the law allowed them to force me to either be radiated or have my genitalia touched in order to fly. After some back and forth with the TSA they brought in the SLPD officers whom I welcomed so that they could be witnesses if my genitalia were touched during the ensuing pat-down. I never refused the pat-down but assured them that if they touched my privates a law-suit would ensue. The police officers suddenly detained me and took me out of the airport, claiming I was interfering with the procedure by notifying them that if I were touched inappropriately then I would be following up with a lawsuit . I have had similar conversations at other airports with the TSA and their officers but none that detained me. Hopefully, now, Payne and others are sent packing.

  • BrentL Exeter, CA
    Sept. 1, 2017 12:43 p.m.

    This investigator crossed the line. This goes from doing his duty to breaking the law. I consider this assault and he should be arrested, in handcuffs, and charged. First thing her attorney should do is have her file assault charges. Ridiculous. And the campus officer should be fired as well. A crime was committed in front of him/her and they did nothing. Nurses already have enough to deal with, let alone crazy officers.

  • SeekingZion Saratoga Springs, UT
    Sept. 1, 2017 12:29 p.m.

    @rpfoxslfox

    I appreciate your comments as an officer... it's nice to see that at least one officer won't defend this appalling behavior)....

    But... your comment of "remember that this fool doesn't represent us all" is just not true.

    He DOES represent all of you... he IS representing ALL of you... he MAY not be accurately representing you... but he sure is representing you. The sooner police departments realize that EVERY officer represents the ENTIRE force the better... if you are not willing for your WORST officer to represent ALL of you... then he/she shouldn't be an officer.

  • Doklove Quincy, IL
    Sept. 1, 2017 12:18 p.m.

    I am usually a big supporter of police as I recognize that there are very high stress situations and sometimes it is hard to keep your cool. However, this was a nurse and an administrator that were not threatening and doing their job and protecting patient rights and this officer didn't get his way and lost control of his emotions and physically attacked the nurse. Not only does he need to lose his job, he needs to be charged with assault.

    Nurses who have so much to deal with already shouldn't be scared to do what is right if a police officer asks them to do something illegal.

  • 311 Cochran, GA
    Sept. 1, 2017 12:04 p.m.

    This is wrong on so many parts. The police department has now opened themselves up to extreme liability by not following protocol and by removing a "charge nurse" from her duties. You can't do that. A charge nurse or any health care professional in a hospital setting is not to leave their post without being properly relieved. This charge nurse was only following the law as it was passed by congress.

    The Health Insurance Portability and Accountability Act of 1996 (HIPAA), Public Law 104-191, was enacted on August 21, 1996. Sections 261 through 264 of HIPAA require the Secretary of HHS to publicize standards for the electronic exchange, privacy and security of health information.

    Though I have a high regard for law enforcement, this will prove to be an embarrassment to the department and should result in a sincere, heartfelt, public apology. More training on HIPPA laws is needed for the officer and the department will be very lucky if a civil action is not filed.

  • Utah_State_Fan Logan, Utah
    Sept. 1, 2017 11:53 a.m.

    The only other group that I can think of that can walk into a hospital and make incessant demands is the Sinaloa Drug Cartel.

  • Semi-PRO Brigham City, UT
    Sept. 1, 2017 11:49 a.m.

    @ shirl - Reno, NV

    "I understand a tiny bit of the pressure to be right 100% of the time"

    It's not about the police being right all the time, it's about them needing an attitude adjustment.

    Who in their right mind will drag an innocent lady nurse out of the hospital while she's kicking and screaming? She was being reasonable and doing her job.

    Nobody expects the police to be right 100% of the time, but we do expect them to act humane.

    Every police department in America from time to time needs an attitude adjustment and be reminded who they work for and who signs their checks.

  • golfrUte SALT LAKE CITY, UT
    Sept. 1, 2017 11:45 a.m.

    Once again, stupidity, ego and ignorance will bring on another lawsuit.

    SLPD, please tell us this horrible excuse for an "officer" is no longer employed.

    My wife is a Nurse and I would bring the fullest extent of legal recourse against the SLPD if this had happened to her.

    To the other police present at this situation: "are you stupid or just cowards?"

  • AndrewJackson New Harmony, UT
    Sept. 1, 2017 11:39 a.m.

    I respect the officers need and the work they do, but this went a little too far. Training and better coordination are needed. And probably some disciplinary action and compensation. An officer should never do that to someone. Especially a nurse half his size and fragile with no charges or need. That was an unnecessary and brutal overkill of force. This makes me angry. HIs superiors better do something and soon.

  • lynnee New York, NY
    Sept. 1, 2017 11:40 a.m.

    Apart from Payne's appalling and illegal behavior, he's incredibly stupid not to understand that wearing a police body camera means video will be available of everything he said and did. And yet he not only assaulted a nurse while being videoed, but commented while on camera about retaliating against the hospital in his other job as an ambulance driver (which I hope he loses).

    I get that bad cops probably feel very empowered by Trump, but this is ridiculous.

    It reminds me of the way criminals are increasingly and bizarrely posting their attacks on others on social media or streaming them on Facebook Live. And then they're surprised when that leads to their arrest.

  • Esquire Springville, UT
    Sept. 1, 2017 11:31 a.m.

    I just read a more detailed story on a national site. The police were in the wrong. And, looking at various national and international sites (yes, this has gone viral), virtually everyone, on the left and on the right, side with the nurse. Most believe she should take the matter to court. It's not just the arresting officer. It's also his supervisor and other officers at the scene. SLC needs to pay a price and be made an example.

  • misbell1952 OGDEN, UT
    Sept. 1, 2017 11:20 a.m.

    Note that the article reveals the patient was a victim of a police chase gone wrong. There is no evidence the victim/patient did anything wrong. Was this officer attempting to get the victim's blood in hopes it might reveal substance abuse and then use that fact to mitigate the civil damages when the victim sues the cops?

    Is this incident evidence of the thuggery infecting law enforcement? Why did two law enforcement officers from different agencies not intervene in an unlawful arrest? Does the "blue line" code mean officers should look the other way when a brother wipes his feet on the Constitution? Should all three officers be defendants in the victim's civil rights claim?

    Are police deterred from such abuse of Constitutional rights when they are not held personally liable? Are police agencies not motivated to prevent such abuses because of the extreme difficulty a victim has in pursuing a claim in courts which lean heavily in favor of police?

    "Wherefore, the Lord commandeth you, when ye shall see these things come among you that ye shall AWAKE TO A SENSE OF YOUR AWFUL SITUATION [EMPHASIS ADDED], because of this secret combination which shall be among you ..." Ether 8:24

  • Silver Stingray St George, UT
    Sept. 1, 2017 11:20 a.m.

    "I'm doing what I’m being told by my boss, and I'm going to do what my boss says," Payne says sternly at one point in the recording."

    That sounds like the excuse given by the Nazi war criminals in World War II. "I was just following orders."

  • bobdc6 park city, UT
    Sept. 1, 2017 11:11 a.m.

    Detective Payne, lacking both knowledge of the law and self control, is no longer qualified to be a police officer.

  • DN Subscriber Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Sept. 1, 2017 11:07 a.m.

    Kudos to the nurse for doing what was right, and standing her ground!
    I am normally a huge supporter of all cops and their dangerous, hard work, but not this time.

    Detective Payne should be fired. If not, then his permanent assignment should be foot patrol on the Rio Grande beat.

    Detective Payne's "other job" as an ambulance driver begs the question as to the propriety of keeping him on that job as well. If he is an abusive bully towards nurses doing their job, can he be trusted to drive safely, or is he endangering patients by aggressive and belligerent attitudes?

    The U of U cop who stood by and did nothing on his turf can be replaced by a cardboard cutout of a mall cop. He needs to be fired too. He did absolutely nothing to protect the staff or patients in a dangerous situation.

    District Attorney Sim Gill has been quick on the trigger to investigate other allegations of police misconduct, so I demand that he get on this case immediately!

  • RBB Sandy, UT
    Sept. 1, 2017 10:46 a.m.

    What is most concerning is that this police officer is still on active duty. Not only did he attempt to commit an illegal seizure (he admitted that he did not either a warrant or probable cause), he then arrested the nurse who refused to violate hospital policy (not to mention the constitutional rights of the hospital patient. This officer should be criminally charged for assault and battery and kidnapping. He had no legal authority to take her into custody when she refused to participate in his illegal conduct.

    That this officer is still on active duty makes is clear that Chief Brown has got to go. Mayor - do you believe in our constitutional rights, or are you OK with the police man-handling people who are keeping the law - rather than helping the police break it.

    I am normally a big advocate for the police - but the only way to keep people's confidence is to get rid of the bad ones. This officer and any who allowed him to stay on active duty need to be FIRED.

  • LaneA Burleson, TX
    Sept. 1, 2017 10:46 a.m.

    First I'd like to thank Alex Wubbles for what she does on a daily basis.
    Second, I'd like to thank her for standing up for what is right and protecting her patient by not giving in to the extreme intimidation tactics used by this officer. I feel better knowing there are people like Alex doing the right thing regardless of being bullied.

  • agpond Saint George, UT
    Sept. 1, 2017 10:42 a.m.

    Do we have a bunch of enforcers with NO respect for the laws, and rights of the public? Don't totally blame the gofors. Responsibility and training starts way above the officer sent do do a job. Never the less; human officers are not police dogs. Intelligent thinking and listening should be requirements for every person engaged in service to the public.

  • shirl Reno, NV
    Sept. 1, 2017 10:40 a.m.

    Officer Payne... I suspect you have done many excellent things as an officer. Sadly you are a victim of a common human condition: our ability to build a great reputation for many years, then destroy it in an instant of lapsed judgement.

    Sadly your actions will add justification to the hatred many already feel toward law enforcement officers.
    ssjackson

    PS.I have two nephews who are policemen. I understand a tiny bit of the pressure to be right 100% of the time...a standard none of us can achieve... but nonetheless expect of you.

  • Not-in-Utah-anymore , CA
    Sept. 1, 2017 10:26 a.m.

    This happened over a month ago and the SLPD hasn't responded to the complaint?!? The nurse isn't threatening to sue, and she's waited this long to go public about it, so obviously the police are sweeping it under the rug and treating it 'business-as-usual.'

    I disagree that 99% of our police are decent, law-abiding, 'officer friendly' types. I think the real percentage is much lower. Years ago (when I lived in SLC) I had a friend in the SLPD who said internal studies showed a high percentage of very aggressive personalities among the officers. Many had experienced trouble with the law as youths themselves. The fact that we see one example after another of police aggression and overreach and even brutality, shows the problem isn't just anecdotal anymore. It's not just a few bad apples, but seems to be more systemic than that. And perhaps those of us who are white and have seldom or never been pulled-over ought to pay more attention to complaints from minority groups about being unfairly targeted.

    The nurse should NEVER have had to go public to get some kind of resolution from the police department. This is disgusting!

  • justawhim Payson, UT
    Sept. 1, 2017 10:26 a.m.

    I watched the longer video. One of the more concerning aspects is that he admits that the reason they didn't get the warrant is they don't have probable cause. This isn't about anyone being confused on the law, or an updated policy - this is about the police willfully attempting to intimidate this nurse to violate a citizen's Constitutional rights. I also reject all these comments of just "a few bad apples". Every other person that stood there and did nothing contributed to this. Silence is consent. They allowed this. We all need to keep standing up to this type of intimidation just as she did. Otherwise we will keep slowly losing our civil rights all the while continuing to pay out over lawsuits (justly) filed against these officers.

  • JimInSLC Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 1, 2017 10:21 a.m.

    Every police officer present at this incident, apparently too ignorant of the law and constitutional rights, that did not intervene and prevent this officers abuse of authority needs to be educated.

    The thing that triggered the officer was someone telling him he was making a huge mistake.

    This type of behavior displayed by police officers should have been nipped in the bud long ago. Now, it is a big problem. Wait till something like martial law is imposed and the police force is infested with brown shirt thugs that do not understand that they are not the law, they are employed and taken an oath to uphold the law.

    The nurse, a two time Olympian, has just won the gold.

  • Stringer Bell Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 1, 2017 10:15 a.m.

    All Lives Matter, and this guy has no business being in law enforcement- at any level. He needs to go, and he needs to go now.

  • Wasatch Al South Jordan, UT
    Sept. 1, 2017 10:09 a.m.

    Officer Payne,

    If you happen to lose your job, we would like to interview you for a position.

    Sincerely, United Airlines

  • rpfoxslfox Wilmington, DE
    Sept. 1, 2017 10:06 a.m.

    As a 26 year veteran of law enforcement & the husband of a nurse, I felt compelled to respond because we, as police officers, must speak up when we see other officers doing wrong. I was appalled at this officer's actions. This nurse did nothing wrong & should not have been subjected to this treatment. It goes without saying that this officer acted unprofessionally & was clearly in the wrong.

    As police officers, we depend on having close relationships with medical personnel at our local hospitals. This guy set that relationship back & probably eroded many of the hospital workers trust in us.

    To the nurse, I promise you that if I had been the assisting officer I would not have let it get that far. Keep doing your job & remember that this fool doesn't represent us all.

  • Florida Faithful Milton, FL
    Sept. 1, 2017 10:06 a.m.

    What happened to the good-ol-days when a person was innocent until proven guilty? I think the founding fathers were trying to protect us from something. This! And he wasn't even a suspect! He was the victim!

  • at long last. . . Kirksville , MO
    Sept. 1, 2017 10:03 a.m.

    Yet another reason to avoid going to Salt Lake City. If the homeless don't get you, then the cops will. . .

  • Jayson Meline Chubbuck, ID
    Sept. 1, 2017 9:52 a.m.

    I admire and support law enforcement. However, this is an illustration of when you give a man or woman a little authority, how their pride and self-appointed sense of importance leads to disrespect for our system of laws as well as checks and balances.

    The actions or inaction of the University officer and the Salt Lake officer are what adds fuel to the fire of police not getting the respect they deserve; and not holding each other accountable in their profession.

    There is an authority complex within child protective services, code enforcement, and law enforcement that leads to a culture that lacks the humility and objectivity to abide by legal checks and balances; or due process no matter how frustrating the situation can be.

    Implied consent only applies to driving privileges as a civil matter; not criminal investigation. The officer and his boss should know better; and probably do.

    All the Salt Lake officer had to do was pick up his tax payer funded cell phone and ask his boss or requesting agency to secure and fax over a warrant to the hospital. I am sure the nurse with warrant in hand would have drawn the blood with established probable cause for the legal record.

  • skeptic Phoenix, AZ
    Sept. 1, 2017 9:30 a.m.

    And Trump wants to give police departments military hardware then they can impose their authority wiih tanks and rockets. A bad idea.

  • Obama10 SYRACUSE, UT
    Sept. 1, 2017 9:27 a.m.

    For all the good work that police do, it takes just one incident like this to erode some of the good feelings the public has towards officers. I know 99% of the officers are doing their job professionally, but it takes just one bad apple and one bad experience, for public trust to be lost. I hope this one blood draw was worth the bad publicity and the million dollar lawsuit that will be coming. Just follow the law and all of this could have been avoided. The blood wasn't even for the driver that was fleeing from the police. Seems like a waste of time, money, and goodwill.

  • carman Wasatch Front, UT
    Sept. 1, 2017 9:23 a.m.

    BTW, I support the police and give them the benefit of the doubt most of the time because of the difficult job they do. But this behavior was truly appalling and shocking, as have been the actions of a number of other officers around the country in recent years. Fortunately this incident didn't end with even greater injury such as severe physical harm or death. But the emotional trauma is immense, and officers need to understand the incredible harm they cause when they behave badly.

    We now have video tape broadly available to capture these actions, and when they reveal a pattern of bad behavior, we should send officers packing who don't have the emotional stability fit for this job. Everyone makes mistakes. But the stakes are high in law enforcement, and we need to have high standards and expectations for the actions of our public servants.
    We need to get the bad actors out of the police forces around the nation or they will hurt the ability of all the good officers to do their jobs effectively.

  • rslutefan Gilbert, AZ
    Sept. 1, 2017 9:19 a.m.

    This is absolutely outrageous. The officer involved should be suspended without pay, censured and well probably should be fired. There was a very easy answer and that was to return to his superiors at the Salt Lake City police department and either seek to obtain a properly executed warrant or the police department should have had to liaison with the University of Utah legal counsel. He was ill-informed and used his position as a police officer to not only be threatening and intimidating and break the law himself but also demonstrated for all his complete ignorance and incompetence in applying the law. Threatening a medical professional illegally, illegally arresting and detaining. She should absolutely sue the department.

    The University of Utah policeman should also be reprimanded. He should have been in contact with his superiors within the department due to his responsibility to protect UofU hospital employees and ensure - especially in this case - that the law was being followed.

    The University of Utah hospital administrators/legal counsel should have also intervened. The nurse should not have been put in this situation alone.

  • carman Wasatch Front, UT
    Sept. 1, 2017 9:08 a.m.

    Both of these officers should face serious consequences. Officer Payne for assault as he massively overreacted and violently grabbed and shoved a woman who was simply doing her job. The other officer does not have clean hands either. His passive, aggressive behavior and unwillingness to intervene to prevent Officer Payne's assault on an innocent citizen make him complicit in the incident.

  • PhoenixAZ phoenix, AZ
    Sept. 1, 2017 9:04 a.m.

    Bully!

  • TheJester American Fork, UT
    Sept. 1, 2017 9:05 a.m.

    @Uteofferouus & Milehighguy:

    There was no harm done to the nurse? Explain how she gets the 30 minutes of her life back that was taken when she was unlawfully detained? Explain how she copes with the fear that tomorrow some other police officer will barge into her home or place of work and unlawfully arrest her? Explain how she can ever be as comfortable around police officers as she was prior to the illegal arrest. I suppose that since the cop in question didn't take out a taser or a billy club and beat her senseless that no harm was done.

    The police officer in question abused his position. He lacks the temperament to be a police officer. Given what we all saw on that video, I can guarantee you that this is not the first time he has bullied an innocent person.

    I have yet to see a public apology from the Salt Lake Police Department or University of Utah Police Department for the treatment the nurse received. Instead, it appears that the police departments in question have circled the wagons and hope they can ride this out, which is exactly why this needs to be in the news.

  • Hockey Fan Miles City, MT
    Sept. 1, 2017 8:59 a.m.

    The arresting law enforcement officer just made a career-altering, if not career-ending, mistake. The video is both shocking and disgusting. The nurse calmly explained the parameters under which the PD could draw blood. The man in uniform disregarded the parameters and the nurse's human dignity.

    It appears we may have a new big-box store greeter on our hands. And the SLPD has a major lawsuit on its hands.

  • Laura Bilington Maple Valley, WA
    Sept. 1, 2017 8:57 a.m.

    Years ago, I was hitchhiking on a freeway on-ramp east of LA. I looked about 15. A cop pulled over and announced he was going to arrest me because I was illegally hitchhiking on the freeway. I was shaking but pointed out that I was three feet in front of the sign that marked the border of the "no pedestrians" part and that I was doing nothing illegal. Clearly angry that I knew that I was in the right, he yelled at me that I had no business hitchhiking and if I were HIS daughter he would have given me "a good sound thrashing".

    He didn't know that I was twenty, a graduate student, was in the middle of a summer externship at a hospital in CA, and was hitching because a drunk driver had totaled my car a few weeks before. He didn't know because he didn't bother asking. He just assumed that I was a teenager, probably a runaway, and was doing something that he disapproved of. And he was going to make me sorry that I had stood up to him and asserted my right to be doing just that.

    No anger management class is going to change someone who firmly believes that he has the right to bully people he considers "lesser" than him.

  • carman Wasatch Front, UT
    Sept. 1, 2017 8:48 a.m.

    re: "I'm doing what I’m being told by my boss, and I'm going to do what my boss says," Payne says sternly at one point in the recording.

    Wow. We need better educated people. This is eerily similar to what a lot of Hitler's SS and Nazi leadership claimed after WWII. Following orders is not justification for breaking the law, intimidating and harassing innocent citizens, or behaving badly.

    Payne and any of his superiors who were involved should face serious sanctions for the pain and suffering they caused this woman who was 100% in the right to rebuff Payne's unlawful request. Payne's reaction was uncalled for.

  • ERB Eagle Mountain, UT
    Sept. 1, 2017 8:38 a.m.

    Any comments in this feed that say anything other than this cop was wrong and should be severely reprimanded or fired should be deleted. Did you watch the video? This nurse protected the patient and the cop has major anger issues. I don't want him on the street in any capacity. How does he handle domestic cases? He may have been a good cop once, but this video doesn't lie. How is he only "not involved in the blood draw program". If this doesn't earn a suspension, what does?Another major blackeye to Salt Lake City.

  • Thomas Thompson Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 1, 2017 8:31 a.m.

    "A blood draw, it just gets thrown around there like it’s some simple thing. But blood is your blood. That’s your property. And when a patient comes in in a critical state, that blood is extremely important and I don’t take it lightly,” Wubbels said.

    And she has it exactly right.

  • Glennp Austin, TX
    Sept. 1, 2017 8:30 a.m.

    I want to know how this high speed chase ends in death of suspect and civilian comatose in burn unit
    Who has liability for civilian injury and death of suspect?
    if there was a suspicion of the driver being intoxicated, why not mention driver was under suspicion.
    I don't understand why a detective was not aware of the controversy surrounding blood draw over the last decade.
    I want to know the current status of the truck driver - is he ok?!
    As police officers are discovering all over the country, in crowded cities, sometimes a car chase is not worth it.
    I truly feel this officer should answer to the public and explain his actions.
    I don't want to speculate.
    I believe the public deserve a better explanation.
    Is this forthcoming?
    Thank you and may God bless all is blue (uniform and scrubs alike).
    Thank you all for your continued service and protection.
    And Deseret news I applaud your commitment to journalistic excellence.

  • Pragmatic One Mesa, AZ
    Sept. 1, 2017 8:23 a.m.

    Of all the agencies in America I thought that the Salt Lake City Police Department was one that had modernized, respected people's rights and had abolished the good ole boys club. Apparently I was wrong.

    The entire issue is quite disturbing. We have a nurse who is not only following the rules set forth, but also protecting the patient's civil rights, and an officer hell bent on ignoring legal facts. Not once is he heard calling his supervisor for clarification and advise, he just loses his temper and goes on an unwarranted arrest rampage.

    I urge Chief Brown to immediately dismiss Officer Payne as his conduct quite clearly warrants it. I would also encourage his other employer for whom he drives ambulances to dismiss him as well. Utah doesn't need individuals with uncontrolled tempers working for them in the public safety arena.

    Finally, I would hope that the US District Attorney takes careful assessment of this video. I personally believe that the officer not only violated the rights of the nurse, but attempted to violate the rights of the patient. This is the type of behavior by a public servant that cannot be condoned in America.

  • Esquire Springville, UT
    Sept. 1, 2017 8:19 a.m.

    The police officer was wrong on this. I can't believe that an office did not know that without a warrant or consent, blood may not be taken from a person. The hospital and the nurse should sue for civil damages, and the police department should be sanctioned. This is an outrage.

  • Uteofferouus Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 1, 2017 8:12 a.m.

    MileHighGuy - Melbourne, FL says:

    “this nurse did everything right and it turned out just fine. She doesn't need a lawyer, she doesn't need this in the news, she needs to be proud that she is an outstanding employee and knew more about the situation than a police officer and his supervisors, and she completely embarrassed an entire police department. They owe her an apology and some refresher courses on search warrants and blood protocol”

    I totally agree, take the high road people, lower the emotional temperature and drama, get the lawyers out of it and move forward – sheesh! Oh,

    MileHighGuy can we clone your brain and transplant it here in Utah?

  • ute alumni Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 1, 2017 8:12 a.m.

    flashback
    who do you thinks for the lawsuit, we all do. and you do. go ahead and just write her a check.

  • Thomas Thompson Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 1, 2017 8:10 a.m.

    There is really only one legal issue here: did nurse Wubbels fail to comply with a lawful order of the police? And the answer is clear: she did not.

    The drawing of blood is widely considered in the case law to impact a citizen's protection from unwarranted searches and seizures under the Fourth Amendment, and the case law in Utah is clear that to take that blood without a warrant is unlawful unless (a) the person whose body is being invaded by the blood draw consents; and (b) that consent is voluntary. Here, as noted in the article, "[t]he truck driver was sedated and in a comatose state when he arrived at the hospital." Under these circumstances, it was impossible for the truck driver to consent; thus, the order of the police to nurse Wubbels was not a lawful order. This issue has been explored in depth by the Utah Supreme Court in State v. Tripp, 227 P.3d 1251 (Utah 2010), and police officers should be aware of the Court's analysis of the issue in that case.

  • gary 123 canada, 00
    Sept. 1, 2017 8:02 a.m.

    After watching these and other videos of this police officer there is only one solution for this problem. This office and others like him need to be taken to the front lines in either Iraq or Afghanistan and allowed to do his job on bullying there where others have the tools to fight back and put him in his proper place! Perhaps I am being a little obtuse for this officer or maybe his rights would be violated? This will deter all future incidents from happening if all officers who abuse their authority in situations like this or others where they decide to shoot first and ask questions later approach is used. It all stops now would be the new slogan of they day!

  • Bluto Sandy, UT
    Sept. 1, 2017 7:54 a.m.

    Forget any internal investigation by SLPD.
    No... this needs to be handed over to the Attorney General's Office...Today!
    Several Crimes were committed here and not by this Outstanding Nurse.
    Hot headed cops must go.

  • embarrassed Utahn! Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 1, 2017 7:54 a.m.

    Salt Lake City's finest!…???

    Apology? More training?… No! That guy deserves to be fired!

  • Vermonter Plymouth, MI
    Sept. 1, 2017 7:54 a.m.

    Don't know enough to condemn the police officer for his basic actions. It appears he was following policy, as he understood the policy (the SL Police updated the policy after the incident).

    But, he was over-the-top in threatening and arresting Wubbels, and in joking about sending transients to U of U. For that he should be disciplined.

    Should he be fired? Don't know enough to say. Should he be arrested for his actions? That is over-the-top the other way. He believed the law and the policy was on his side when he detained Wubbels.

    Congrats to Wubbels for standing up for what she believed was right. It is not always easy to stand up for what is right. She probably doesn't have a lawsuit against the officer. But, she probably has a case against the SL Police, if she wants to pursue it.

  • Rob Ford Orem, UT
    Sept. 1, 2017 7:48 a.m.

    I'm so impressed with the nurse for doing what is right in the face incredible pressure. I wonder how many of us would have held our ground there like she did. Detective Payne (great name!) should be reprimanded for his actions and hopefully will get some training to better deal with situations like that in the future.

  • Bluto Sandy, UT
    Sept. 1, 2017 7:48 a.m.

    D&C 121:39

    Memo to all Peace Officers: Never "Suppose" authority which is not yours.

    May this women be granted a very large settlement and
    may this officer be put out to pasture.

    So let it be said, so let it be done!

  • Flashback Kearns, UT
    Sept. 1, 2017 7:42 a.m.

    UTAttorney, implied consent doesn't apply here. The driver was a victim in this case, not a suspect. This was nothing more than a dot the I's and cross the T's situation as a result of the accident investigation.

    An electronic warrant for a blood draw could have been easily obtained in a few minutes. The truck driver was not at fault in the accident that hurt him. He was hurt by another driver the cops were chasing. No suspicion of DUI here at all and none could be articulated by the officers.

    All this "detective" had to do was do call a judge, explain the situation to said judge and get the warrant for the blood draw. Boom, done.

    Frankly as a former police officer, I am appalled at Payne's actions. He had no grounds to arrest this nurse. He just got ticked off because she showed him what he was required to do.

    My personal opinion with the information currently available is that Payne should be forced to retire (I believe he has enough time in to do so), any officer there with him disciplined with a few non-paid days off, and the nurse should sue Payne and the police department blind.

  • strom thurmond taylorsville, UT
    Sept. 1, 2017 7:32 a.m.

    At 2:11 the nurse accesses the EMR.

    At 2:55 the whiteboard with patient information is filmed.

    There are likely others.

    Under federal HIPAA laws this is a breach of protected health information.

    I'll be reporting it, and so should others.

    This violation is not the fault of the nurse.

  • Tolstoy salt lake, UT
    Sept. 1, 2017 7:26 a.m.

    @UTAttorney
    I understand what you are saying the problem is there are conflicting laws in place. As someone that works in the healthcare field I can tell you that confedntality laws, professional code of ethics and agency policies that say you cannot release any information about a patient without a warrant or subpoena is drilled into you from day one of your schooling. I have seen people loss thier jobs, their licenses and careers due to releasing information. I have seen other professionals successfully sued for such releases. Having worked in these sititiations I know (and suspect the officer knows) that blood had already been drawn so taking the 30minutes to an hour it takes to get a warrant will not compromise evidance. I have had officers try to intimidate people in this way a few times but most officers respect the law and in the end always get what they needed. There is no excuse for this officers behavior.

  • IAlaw Council Bluffs, IA
    Sept. 1, 2017 7:26 a.m.

    For all the people who either are a cop or have a cop in the family, who always defend the cops no matter what, take a good look here. This is the sort of thing that loses trust. This is why so many people don't trust law enforcement. This is why so many people oppose the militarization of america's police.

  • whatsup1 Kekaha, HI
    Sept. 1, 2017 7:14 a.m.

    When officers of the law can violate constitutional rights and receive a presidential pardon actions such as this will escalate.

  • at long last. . . Kirksville , MO
    Sept. 1, 2017 7:14 a.m.

    Chessermesser-- Re: the cop not knowing the law had changed. Did you ever hear "Ignorance of the law is no defense". That certainly applies here. Fire the abusive cop.

  • taatmk West Jordan, UT
    Sept. 1, 2017 7:09 a.m.

    The officer is in the wrong and should be disciplined.

  • Lolly Lehi, UT
    Sept. 1, 2017 7:07 a.m.

    The costs in this are so high and all because of the behavior of a bunch of officers. Payne doing something to a defenseless woman who showed him that he had no right in his request and the others standing around as though there was no problem and allowing her to be abused. I understand the authority situation of rank in the Police Department but another officer should have intervened to stop this madness. Then, the Police Department should have been the ones to release the video to the public and taken steps to correct the wrong done.

  • Egyptian origins Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 1, 2017 7:06 a.m.

    Unfortunately this is not an isolated incidence. Many of you reading this article most likely know of another example of police abuse authority right here in Utah first hand or second hand by someone close to you. We trust our police to protect us from criminals, but we have learned by sad experience that it is the nature and disposition of almost all mankind that as soon as they get a little authority as they suppose they begin to exercise corrupt dominion. When police turn on the people they are supposed to protect, no one is safe. President Benson of the LDS Church gave warning to embrace the Constitution of the United States and choose good leaders. We as a whole have not headed that warning. We have the right to life, liberty, and property; we have the right to a speedy trial by a jury of our peers; we have the right to receive a warrant of arrest; we have the right in regards to Miranda; etc. But look instead at how our system is run. It is a complete contradiction to the US Constitution and our "guaranteed" rights. And our police and government leaders continue to act with impunity. Is there nothing that can and will be done to stop this oppression of the people?

  • strom thurmond taylorsville, UT
    Sept. 1, 2017 7:05 a.m.

    I worked in the ER at the Universtiy.

    Why was this officer allowed in a secure area with patients without a warrant?

    He has zero right or authority to just barge in. Who let him in and why?

    He does not have an absolute right to invade this space and the federally protected information within.

  • strom thurmond taylorsville, UT
    Sept. 1, 2017 7:00 a.m.

    This officer should publicly apologize to the nurse, the patients in that unit, the person who's blood he unlawfully tried to obtain, the hospital staff, the hospital and the community.

  • strom thurmond taylorsville, UT
    Sept. 1, 2017 6:54 a.m.

    Why are police allowed to saunter around the hospital violating the federally protected privacy of the other patients in th he emergency department?

    A keen eye may even see some of that info in this video, which itself may be a violation of those laws as the ERMRs are being accessed at the station, and potentially conversations could be recorded inadvertently.

    This is one of the most appalling things I have seen.

    SLPD needs some serious accountability.

    The nurse probably saved the officer from a lawsuit.

    This man should not be working in law enforcement, not just because he doesn't know the law, but he is abusove and unstable.

  • AlanSutton Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 1, 2017 6:50 a.m.

    I think the hospital administrators should be disciplined. The nurse shouldn't be the hospital's front line in cases like this.

  • Gregory American Fork, UT
    Sept. 1, 2017 6:37 a.m.

    This video is frightful. Have we given so much authority to the police that they can intimidate even reasonably acting citizens? Another example of police abusing their authority.

  • MileHighGuy Melbourne, FL
    Sept. 1, 2017 6:30 a.m.

    This is simply a cop who is not aware of current policies and procedures, and even the law for which he (and his supervisors) are not familiar with. It is unacceptable, unfortunate, and a mistake. Cops are just people - they aren't perfect and they do make mistakes. We seem to think that being a cop makes you able to walk on water, but that can only be done by one person.

    I and we hold police to a high standard, and we should, and they should work and live to a high standard. But there is no harm or concern when you know you are in the right - this nurse did everything right and it turned out just fine. She doesn't need a lawyer, she doesn't need this in the news, she needs to be proud that she is an outstanding employee and knew more about the situation than a police officer and his supervisors, and she completely embarrassed an entire police department. They owe her an apology and some refresher courses on search warrants and blood protocol. Maybe this nurse could teach it. And we owe the police a little slack in making mistakes as they serve and protect.

  • jakobr New Albany, OH
    Sept. 1, 2017 6:08 a.m.

    The story just needs one correction - Mrs. Wubbels is still an Olympian. That status never goes away. As they say, "Never former, never past, once an Olympian, always an Olympian."

  • Joemamma W Jordan, UT
    Sept. 1, 2017 5:24 a.m.

    A couple of things:
    1 It's not her blood and she's not aware of the conditions or situations under wish the request was made.. If this person in the hospital has murdered someone and blood needs to be had immediately in order to make a case the assailant may end up going free.

    2 She should have delegated the matter to someone of higher authority in the hospital as opposed to just resist the request.

    3 She's neither a lawyer or an appointed representative of the person whose blood was requested.. If the person was unconscious they should have contacted next of kin to serve as a representative...

    4 is not her job to provide legal protection against the law for a patient, is her job to provide health protection, whether is legal or illegal for the law to draw blood from a possible criminal suspect is not for her to decide, the courts can decide that later and they usually do..

    5 if the blood is used as evidence and it was taken illegally by the DA, I'm sure that will be decided in court not by her...I think she got what she deserved.

  • MDM66441 Junction City, KS
    Sept. 1, 2017 1:20 a.m.

    I thought this happened AUGUST 26, but it was in July! Are the nurse and her attorney going forward with exposing this now exactly because no improvement has been shown in the last 5 weeks?
    Nurse Alex and her attorney had to have obtained the police body cam footage from the department(s) involved. Other than starting an internal investigation (and when did that start?) what has been done in 5 weeks?
    Another question: Who was the other officer who continued to badger the nurse while she was in the patrol car? That guy had it wrong, too, and seemed to be trying to convince her to ignore the hospital's policy. Who was THAT guy? SLPD? UHP? (we left Utah with the military in 2000 and I didn't see that many uniforms even when I was there. Any locals able to ID the shoulder patch?) I haven't seen him identified, and I think his actions were also unwarranted. Was this the supervisor/boss J. Payne was referring to when he said he was doing what he had been told to do and he was going to follow his bosses orders?
    Support Police, suspend/retrain/fire bullies.

  • Anonymous100 Anywhere, UT
    Sept. 1, 2017 12:46 a.m.

    Payne was applying unwarranted and borderline illegal bullying tactics. The nurse should sue him and the police department, someone needs to be held accountable. Payne should be terminated from both jobs since he stated that he will use his position as an ambulance driver to get retribution against the hospital. Payne is totally unprofessional and should not be in any job that requires him to deal with the public.

  • jenall Layton, UT
    Sept. 1, 2017 12:02 a.m.

    This is unacceptable. Payne blew his cork because he was annoyed and tired of waiting, obviously doesn't like to be questioned, and in my opinion, felt he was superior to her by the comments that were being made. The other officers that stood by and let her be arrested for doing her job after she printed the policy and tried in a calm manner to explain it should also be put on leave and retrained. His roughness and manhandling of her was uncalled for. This officer needs anger-management counseling. He SHOULD have checked with his own boss about procedures at this point. I do not see him making any kind of attempt to verify policy, especially after she handed him the paper AND the superior on the phone also told him he's making a mistake. He should have gone over her head. He could have taken this all the way to the hospital administrator, but his lack of control in this situation is dangerous and has violated the rights of this woman. This is brazen, uncalled for and this officer should be fired. Anything less will be a blight on SLC's police department.

  • AnythingButFairWeatherFan SAINT GEORGE, UT
    Aug. 31, 2017 11:49 p.m.

    UTAttorney, if there were grounds to believe the patient was DUI how hard would it have been to get a warrant?

  • AnythingButFairWeatherFan SAINT GEORGE, UT
    Aug. 31, 2017 11:41 p.m.

    I assume Payne got the blood once he had removed Wubbles? Why did he let her go after 20 minutes in the squad car? Payne's actions are completely devoid of logic. Anger and power definitely took over. Take his badge. A very public apology is in order to save face for the department.

  • IndependentAmerican Provo, UT
    Aug. 31, 2017 11:35 p.m.

    This arresting officer and his onsite supervisor needs to be terminated from the force, on grounds of violating the Law! This nurse needs to sue the entire department on the same grounds of violation of the Law. The Constitution is extremely clear on this issue, and on the case where the suspect can not give his or her consent, nor have a legal guardian to give that consent. The courts got it right. Maybe a nice class action million dollar lawsuit is what this rogue police department and this rogue city to teach a lesson on the Law, and abusing people's rights.

  • ImaUteFan West Jordan, UT
    Aug. 31, 2017 11:28 p.m.

    Appalling behavior on the part of the police officer. I was horrified watching the video on the news tonight. That officer should be fired immediately.

  • Sandy Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 31, 2017 11:28 p.m.

    Three cheers for Alex Wubbels. She shows grace and grit through this ordeal, wherein almost none of the men present had the courage to call out the bullies. She's an Olympian on the slopes and even more importantly at her post in the hospital. May we all be blessed with this kind of care in our times of need.

    And thanks for having the courage, Alex, to further disrupt your life by bringing it into the public eye. You are doing the right thing--which was not done by you. Hopefully the issue will be resolved to your satisfaction and the police and public will become better for it.

  • UNLVDoc SLC, UT
    Aug. 31, 2017 11:24 p.m.

    This case is terrible, but things can get worse, and it's not that uncommon. Search out what happened to David Eckert of Demming, NM a couple of years ago. Police got health care professionals, including doctors, to go along with their illegal search of Mr. Eckert's person including radiographs, enemas, a general anesthetic, and colonoscopy all in spite of Mr. Eckert's refusal to grant consent.

    Thank heavens for ethical health professionals like Nurse Wibbels.

  • morpunkt Glendora, CA
    Aug. 31, 2017 11:21 p.m.

    Good grief. Ignorance of the law and abusive enforcement of it! Sounds like the SLC PD needs to find some budgeting for educational updates.
    Lawsuits?
    Wow.

  • Gruffi Gummi Logan, UT
    Aug. 31, 2017 10:01 p.m.

    This happened a month ago. Why hasn't he yet been arrested and charged with assault?

  • dbnae Farmington, UT
    Aug. 31, 2017 9:39 p.m.

    To UTAttorney- you are dead wrong. Read the law don't interpret it. The unconscious person was not under arrest.
    Quote:
    "Utah's "implied consent" law says that if you are lawfully arrested by an officer who has probable cause to believe that you have been driving under the influence, then you consent to taking a chemical test of your blood, breath, urine, or saliva for the purpose of determining your blood alcohol content (BAC)."

    Officer Payne should be fired and lose his pension.

    I'm in favor of law and order but not in favor of brutality; by anyone. We all need to be responsible citizens. Comment from St George: right on.

  • JapanCougar Layton, UT
    Aug. 31, 2017 9:07 p.m.

    Bottom line: I don't believe this officer can be trusted to properly use the power and authority entrusted to him. If he cannot be disciplined and measured in small non-threatening situations, then I don't see how we can trust him in any other situation. Poor form.
    I will be dissapointed if he keeps a job that allows him to bully citizens or carry a weapon.

  • 2close2call Los Angeles, CA
    Aug. 31, 2017 9:03 p.m.

    @Chessermesser "I don't blame the cops for not knowing about the change in law. "

    Wait what? Of course you would blame the cop for not knowing the law and therefore breaking it.

  • David Centerville, UT
    Aug. 31, 2017 8:16 p.m.

    I viewed the video. I did not see a single officer that performed appropriately. All officers should be reprimanded, reassigned, or terminated.

  • Steve J Clearfield, UT
    Aug. 31, 2017 7:55 p.m.

    This policeman needs to be seriously disciplined. Perhaps several days without pay plus a public apology for his behavior

  • Chessermesser West Valley City, UT
    Aug. 31, 2017 7:35 p.m.

    I don't blame the cops for not knowing about the change in law. However Dectective Payne blew it. Rough her up as if she was some common criminal. In a hospital. They owe that lady an apology. In writing and in person.

    When there is a written agreement between the hospital and the SLPD, then the cops should have checked with the duty lieutenant.

    What were they going to next? Go back inside and arrest the next senior nurse? And then the next?

    I wonder how long it took the head of the hospital to call the chief and mayor?

    She wasn't being uncooperative. The cops weren't listening.

    I support the Blue a lot. But not in this case. Badly done, officers.

  • byronbca Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 31, 2017 7:21 p.m.

    This video makes me sick. Police are important in our society, but so is preventing them from abusing their power.

    I wish I trusted the police, but I had an experience in college (15 years ago) that pretty much shattered any chance I will ever willingly help the police ever again. My experience wasn't as bad as this, but the damage was done.

    My advice to Police Officers would be that eroding the trust from a group of people just to gather some inconsiquential evidence, or to get somebody for a minor violation isn't worth it.

  • UTAttorney Salt Lake, UT
    Aug. 31, 2017 7:15 p.m.

    The officer was actually right here IF the officer on scene had grounds to believe the driver was DUI. The implied consent law actually DOES allow for a blood draw under those circumstances, even without a warrant. This situation will depend on the reasoning for doing the draw in the first place. The hospital policy, despite allowing for warrants, is per se obstruction of justice if the implied consent law applies.

  • stevo123 Driggs, ID
    Aug. 31, 2017 7:05 p.m.

    Some one needs to go to jail for this, and it's not the nurse!

  • LoveLondon Murray, UT
    Aug. 31, 2017 6:55 p.m.

    And the police wonder why we don't trust them. This officer should be fired immediately.

  • Egyptian origins Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 31, 2017 6:44 p.m.

    Welcome to the consequences of a Police State Utahans!
    If you've done nothing wrong, you have everything to fear.
    The majority of you have asked for a Police State either directly or indirectly through the voting in of Government Officers. That coupled with the United States' traditional practice that has violated the United States Constitution and the Bill of Rights.
    Illegal searches and seizures, trumped up charges to force a plea deal, and arrests without warrants are all part of "protection" by a Police State.
    But the question is, "Will anybody make the changes necessary for us to return to a 'Republican Form' of government?" I'm betting no one will do anything and hope that it all goes away.

  • ImABeliever Centerville, UT
    Aug. 31, 2017 6:32 p.m.

    Corporate America vs Laws. America has gotten stupid. It has infiltrated in to society like a bad disease and in to Law enforcement. This officer needs to resign as in yesterday.
    Another bad cop is what we don't need.

  • byufootballrocks Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 31, 2017 6:30 p.m.

    As long as we citizens continue to tolerate this kind of behavior among law enforcement, it will continue. I don't believe these are random, anecdotal incidents.

    The officer cited the law, and he had the law wrong. He repeatedly said the nurse was interfering with an investigation, when there was no warrant for their request- a blood draw which is a highly invasive procedure without that citizen's knowledge or consent. Plus, he was not under suspicion of a crime.

    "Interfering with an investigation" is one of the grand canards used to violate the private rights of citizens and justify that most damaging of actions - an arrest.

    And where is common sense? She's a charge nurse on the job carrying a heavy workload and they are on her turf in the hospital. All her vocal tone and body language conveyed her belief in what she was saying, which was true. She didn't appear to be resisting anything, other than what the hospital told her she could not consent to. So how could she be arrested?

  • NoNamesAccepted St. George, UT
    Aug. 31, 2017 6:03 p.m.

    I'm a conservative Republican, law-and-order type. I believe there are times when an officer or the public face an imminent risk and responsible people should comply with orders from an officer, content to sort out details in court later if needed.

    This is not one of those cases. There is nothing urgent here. A delay of 30 minutes for the officer to call his duty sergeant, even captain, or to consult a judge or district attorneys office costs him and his investigation nothing.

    This officer is a bully. And his comments about using his other job to get retribution indicates he is also vindictive.

    It is hard to imagine what the investigation could reveal that would provide any reason not to have this officer fired. He has no business being entrusted with the power or responsibility that comes with the badge.

    If he acted within policy, his department should be paying a major civil settlement. If he acted outside policy, he should be personally liable for that major payment. That would discourage such horrible behavior from any other government employees who might be prone to abuse their public trust.

  • Elsleuith Eagle Mountain, UT
    Aug. 31, 2017 5:42 p.m.

    Salt Lake police detective Jeff Payne acted in a most unprofessional way. He should have consequences for acting in this manner. The video clearly shows he is a bully. Pushing around a nurse doing her job is not okay.

  • Mike Richards South Jordan, Utah
    Aug. 31, 2017 5:19 p.m.

    The public deserves to be told everything about this matter, including full accountability from the police department. No citizen in America can be treated that way without the police officer being prosecuted. Just what did he think he was doing? How did he ever become a police officer without understanding the Bill of Rights?

  • Tolstoy salt lake, UT
    Aug. 31, 2017 5:02 p.m.

    Very scary. I worked in the ER and trauma for several years and while the vast majority of officers were very professional we did have guys like this push there way into the Teauma bay and try to interfere with the urgent care of patients. There is no excuse for this officers behaviors he knew or should have known the laws and policies regulating blood draws. He created an unsafe and scary situation for the staff and patients at the burn center. The nurse did exactly what is expected of her by the law, her professional code of ethics and the hospital. I admire her for standing up to this bully.

  • Kalindra Salt Lake City, Utah
    Aug. 31, 2017 4:58 p.m.

    There is so much wrong with the officer's actions - and his threat for retaliation while on his other job.

    There need to be strong sanctions against him from both employers.

  • Strider303 American Fork, UT
    Aug. 31, 2017 4:58 p.m.

    No, "I was just following orders (procedures)" will not do for a defense in this case.

    The officer was out of line, and as a quasi-health care worker he knew it. His remark about triage of patients is cause for concern.

    It appears testosterone took over. Apparently the nurse knew when to call her supervisor but the officer didn't feel the need to consult anyone but himself.

    Police work is tough and requires citizen support. This behavior destroys the desire of people to confide in and trust local police officers. Not a good thing.

    Perhaps this officer needs to find another line of employment.

  • Happy Valley Heretic Orem, UT
    Aug. 31, 2017 4:52 p.m.

    Until this happens to you, or in front of you, people tend to take the side of authority over people, and they shouldn't because this happens everyday.

    Intimidation is a huge weapon that the police use freely, they'll lie to your face, too. Sad.

    This is a bad cop.

    It's no longer about serve and protect.

  • NEAD SLC, UT
    Aug. 31, 2017 4:34 p.m.

    Disgusting. Payne should be severely disciplined for this.

  • Cedarite Cedar City, UT
    Aug. 31, 2017 4:34 p.m.

    Some ardent police supporters are fond of using the term "comply or die." Does that also apply when an officer is ordering a person to do something illegal or against policy? Are we still a nation of laws, or just a nation of "might makes right?"