Surf is Up"it may be possible; but it will take a lot more than
two seasons separated by four years (2004 & 2008)"Just to
match what BYU has already accomplished, you'll have to- finish
in the Top 12 five of six seasons- have 11+ wins five of six seasons- win 66 of 75 games (88%)- win 6 straight conference championships- have 4 straight QB's that finish in the Top 3 in Heisman voting-
have back-to-back Top 7 finishes- and top it all of with a 24-game winning
streak- culminating in a consensus National Championship (#1 in both major
polls)Since you've only accomplished one of those achievements
in your first 123 seasons (I'll let you research which one), it could take
you another century, or more, just to match what BYU has already accomplished.
@Bluto "....No amount of False Bravado, Conference affiliation or Pac11.1
patch, will ever bring Utah Football status equal to BYU as far as Legacy,
History and National Brand are concerned..."Actually it may be
possible; but it will take a lot more than two seasons separated by four years
(2004 & 2008) which is what the BYU haters who post incessantly here use as
the ute claim-to-fame. How ignominious is that?Based on PAC12
results they are no better than the top tier of the MWC programs they left
behind, claim to be superior to, and detest with all the undeserved swagger they
can muster.So yes, Bluto, you pretty much nailed it.
Wow. There was more acknowledgment and empathy for the pain and suffering of
Houston residents by ESPN and our football team than our President showed in his
entire visit to the Houston area.
Hey Ute fans,It's really simple. BYU won the NC in 1984.Just say it out loud, accept the fact because it's never going to
change.Let's not bring up other teams that won an NY6 since
then in an attempt to switch topics to invalidate a fact - but if you insist
then add in the 1996 BYU team that won the cotton bowl so I'm not sure
where you were going with that point.All of these arguments about
1984 are lame, it happened, it's history, accept it and move on in your
Rockwell"Of the 130 FBS teams, only NINETEEN have won a National
Championship since BYU won theirs in 1984,"BYU is one of only 20
teams that have won a National Championship since 1984.Compare that
to the number of teams that have won New Years, BCS, and NY6 Bowls since 1984.
WACpaddled"Well if you were experts, BYU would have another
title by now right?"BYU was awfully close in 1996, finishing
14-1 and #5 in both major polls. BYU's only loss was at #16
Washington, early in the season. BYU finished on a 12-game winning streak,
beating #17 Kansas St in the Cotton Bowl.Of the 130 FBS teams, only
NINETEEN have won a National Championship since BYU won theirs in 1984, and only 16 of those teams finished #1 in both major polls - AP and
Coaches.For comparison - last title won:Notre Dame -
1988Penn State - 1986Georgia - 1980Pittsburgh - 1976Michigan St - 1965Arkansas - 1964
WACpaddled"You are on par with Army, Minnesota and
Maryland's of the world."What a frantic and emotional thing
to say.Last time ranked #1 in AP poll at any point in the season
:BYU - 1984Minnesota - 1960Army - 1958Maryland -
1953Try keeping your comparisons within the last half century.
Unlike many flash-in-the-pan undefeated teams, BYU's history of winning 88%
of their games from 1979 to 1984, finishing in the Top 12 five of six years, and
winning 24 straight games, including three road wins over Top 25 teams, helped
prove to the pollsters that BYU deserved their #1 ranking.Washington
and Nebraska passed on playing #1 BYU, Oklahoma lost to a team with a
losing record, and Florida was ineligible to play in a bowl,all of which convinced all five major selecting organizations that BYU was
more deserving of winning the 1984 National Championship than any other team.
BlueCoug - Provo, UTAug. 29, 2017 10:50 p.m.Nighty OwlThe Utes have never in their history even come close to winning a national
championship, so stop pretending that you're "experts" about a
subject that you know absolutely nothing about._____Well
if you were experts, BYU would have another title by now right?You are on
par with Army, Minnesota and Maryland's of the world. They also have a
national title. But they are not experts in making outlandish claims and saying
they are equal to LSU that I know of.
london_josh, you are grasping at straws. And you just proved NiightOwls point
about 84" by pointing out how the voting changed. You totally ignored that,
and went right into their 85" record.BYU was awarded the title.
And as a result of how that happened. They changed how the national title was
awarded. Why are you ignoring that?Stop masquerading as a P5
wannabe. BYU is not in a P5 conference, and has never played that kind of
schedule week after week.
Night OwlThe real trigger for the creation of the Bowl Alliance and
later the BCS was the back-to-back split national championships in 1990 and
1991, which spurred the creation of a system that would free up the #1 and #2
teams to be able to play each other instead of being locked into separate
bowls.It had absolutely nothing to do with preventing a team ranked
#1 in both major polls from winning the national championship simply because
they weren't members of a power conference.
Nighty OwlThe Utes have never in their history even come close to
winning a national championship, so stop pretending that you're
"experts" about a subject that you know absolutely nothing about.
Night owl, You went from BYU never beating a ranked team (by the
way, that's very inaccurate) To BYU saying that it's equal
to ranked teams - which is probably true when BYU is ranked, right? To winning the NC in 1984 - thanks for that. To not mention what
went on after 1984 - seriously, I don't get it, after 1984 came 1985 which
had 3 close losses on an 11-3 year, is that shameful? Then you end
with BYU never playing a P5 schedule - the past years BYU consistently ranks in
the top half of the SOS which is always above the mark of the number of P5
teams, so that's somewhat arguable. I'm humored by your
comment. You might be very young, so yourself a favor, Google the phrase
"floats like a duck" and enjoy more disjointed logic. I absolutely
enjoyed your comment!
Ahh I see it now. Something new from the BYU playbook for fans."We
can't beat ranked teams. So lets say we are equal to them."Yep, BYU won the title in 84" But not a single BYU fan will admit what
happened after that. Care to brag more about the title? It's because of BYU
that the process of awarding a national title changed.Where do
people come up with this stuff? Does not matter if you both can claim a national
title. BYU is not equal to LSU. Not even close. The Cougars have never in the
history of their program played a power conference schedule. So stop pretending
to be something you are not.
jealous utahman"Please stop saying that BYU and LSU are on the
same level because each have a national championship. They actually won a
national championship game, not awarded the title."NCAA FBS
College Football Championship HistoryYEAR | CHAMPION | SELECTING
ORGANIZATION2003 | Louisiana State, Southern California | BCS, AP,
FWAA1984 | Brigham Young | AP, FWAA, NFF, USA/CNN, UPIWait a
minute!What's USC doing there?You mean during the
BCS era, a PAC 10 team was AWARDED a title,WITHOUT playing in a
national championship game?
Utahman,"Please stop saying that BYU and LSU are on the same
level because each have a national championship. "Well, I
haven't said that and I think we all know that BYU and Utah are certainly
NOT on the "same level", however to your point, for having an NC BYU and
LSU do indeed happen to be in that same category.It doesn't
matter whether one was awarded the NC by the BCS or the AP, both teams have an
NC.Are you implying that only a BCS NC is valid? What about the CFP
NC?Personally I'd never claim that BYU and LSU are "on the
same level" in general, but based on having an NC, they certainly are and
that's a fact and no amount of arguing or twisting will take away the fact
that in 1984 at the end of a 24 game win streak where the only loss the
previous season was a close one to a ranked team in the opening, capping off a
perfect season BYU was awarded the NC unanimously - which is how it worked back
then.There are all sorts of points in which we are not on the same
level - thanks for bringing up one in which we are!
Please stop saying that BYU and LSU are on the same level because each have a
national championship. They actually won a national championship game, not
awarded the title. And LSU's was within the last two decades. While it is
impressive to win 24 games in two years and it makes sense why BYU received the
#1 votes all those years ago, your National Championship is not the same as
LSU's and I would love to see you make the claim that it is to a Louisiana
Native or anybody from anywhere. They will quickly ruin your self-esteem. Pound
your chest all you want about that trophy, you are still falling behind real P5
kaysvillecougar"It sounds like BYU sold out their 9000 seat
allotment already. It's unfortunate that the change in location should
dramatically reduce the number of Cougar fans and increase the number of LSU
fans."Very likely since many of the BYU fans who were flying in
for the game are having problems with one particular airline that is refusing to
cancel or change their flights without charging huge fees.Other BYU
fans living in Texas and other nearby states probably aren't thrilled with
the idea of driving through the torrential rain being produced by the remnants
of a massive hurricane just to attend a football game.
I wouldn't be surprised if this game winds up getting cancelled or
rescheduled for some date in December. Harvey hung a right turn yesterday and
is moving into coastal Louisiana right about now.Dallas or Memphis
would've been better choices for Sept. 2nd. Oh well.
estreetshuffle"They [ESPN] brag about the partnership with BYU,
but it's not about BYU, it's the money that BYU generates that makes
their eyes BOING!!"You can't separate BYU from the revenue
BYU produces for ESPN - the two go hand in hand.Major college
football has been big business for a long time and ESPN has been in love with
BYU since 1984, when they broadcast their very first nationally televised
college football game between...BYU and then #3 Pittsburgh.It was no surprise at all to see BYU and ESPN form a partnership as soon as
BYU went Independent.
It sounds like BYU sold out their 9000 seat allotment already. It's
unfortunate that the change in location should dramatically reduce the number of
Cougar fans and increase the number of LSU fans.
@talkinsports Of course, it's already a given that money hungry ESPN
has the final say. Additionally, ESPN is pro-SEC as you've seen on TV
lately and that's more money for them because they are losing money with
the many layoffs and cost cutting they've experienced. They brag about the
partnership with BYU but it's not about BYU, it's the money that BYU
generates that makes their eyes BOING!! I wouldn't' be surprised when
they place BYU in some weird bowl game that is sponsored by JC Penny or Big Lots
or Ben and Jerry's etc.
"According to The Advocate, ESPN had final say in where LSU and BYU would
play since the network owns the rights to the AdvoCare Texas Kickoff, an annual
game in Houston that began in 2013."Despite the clueless
comments from the haters, neither LSU nor BYU had final say in where the game
was moved to.
How convenient for LSU. They don't have to go through the travel logistics
and hassles that BYU will encounter to arrive at the Super Dome. They get to
play in their backyard. The storm rain is headed toward New Orleans. I
don't think New Orleans is prepared as they say they are. Great decision
ESPN and SEC. They should just play at LE stadium; it has an open date. You see
LSU doesn't like to travel beyond their backyard including the SEC.The offensive line needs to pick their game and not be so lethargic. I
observed several missed blocking assignments that may have caused the lack of
Just cancel the dumb game. The storm is headed for Louisiana, let everyone
catch up. I'm a BYU fan and more than excited to see them play tough
opponents but this is too much. I've spent the past days watching for news
of family in Houston and seeing the devastation that the flooding is causing and
the last thing I remotely care about is a silly football game. If the game were
against a team and in a region not affected by this then fine, play the game.
But this is terrible.
Do you think that BYU was going to hold out for a move out west? Obviously BYU
was indeed consulted, this is a good game, a great team, and a fun match-up with
a good amount of publicity.This is called troll failing - BYU is
playing LSU in the super dome, just think about it.
KimmyPIt is so fun watching our jealous little brothers on the hill
living in denial and pretending that ESPN, LSU and BYU weren't all heavily
involved in the discussions to relocate the game.
"It is so fun to watch the blue faithful act like ESPN and LSU were going to
consult byu regarding where the relocation of the game site."I
don't see ESPN and LSU negotiating a game for LSU to play Utah in an NFL
stadium in a season opener matchup. And according to NavalVet, Utah is one of
the 4 best teams in the country. Why aren't ESPN and LSU on this yet?"They like to believe they are a vital 'partner' of the
world wide leader, but the start times of their games, and the move to New
Orleans, indicates the true level of this partnership."Even if
this is true, that BYU is in fact such a smallballer that they have little to no
influence, then where does that put a team that has yet to have ESPN arrange a
season-opener game in an NFL stadium for a matchup with an SEC powerhouse?
Poor little Utes. Cheer up, you have a game against North Dakota State to
prepare for. Hey, you never know--you might get to make history by losing to
them! You'd get all the attention you want then, right?BYU is
maybe going to play LSU; I think that is unlikely unless the weather clears
soon. But at least we want to play. By the way--this story has
what, 33 comments right now? How many do U have on your football team? Looking
at the past 24 hours, across the Deseret News, theres a grand total of 9
comments on a Utah story (out of I think 4 Utah stories) in the last 24 hours.
And most of them are Utes still trying to say they are better than BYU.
It is so fun to watch the blue faithful act like ESPN and LSU were going to
consult byu regarding where the relocation of the game site. They like to
believe they are a vital "partner" of the world wide leader, but the
start times of their games, and the move to New Orleans, indicates the true
level of this partnership. 😂
Sooner UteUtah fans desperately try to minimize BYU's made for
television games versus big time programs, but, be honest, when was the last
time Utah was invited to play in such a game?BYU has been doing this
BYU Joe "BYU is playing LSU in the super dome. That is an NFL stadium and
this is not the first or last time BYU has played a big game against a big
school in an NFL stadium."I hope your enthusiasm rubs off on your
fellow fans. It looks like many of them are cranky about the change of
venue.I am glad the game will be played. It gives Ute fans a chance
to see Detmer's offense that "held back" against their FCS opponent
to foil LSU's game plan. Wait... do you suppose Detmer will go vanilla
against LSU to fool Utah? Tricky!Great to see the location is the
Super Dome. I know NFL stadiums are important to Cougar fans. Plus it gives
BYU players and fans a chance to see the venues where many Utah players play on
@WacPadBYU's National Championship in football was
"Unanimous".It was not a split National Title, there was no
doubt.The 4 NCAA Officially Sanctioned Polls....-Coaches-Writers-AP-NFF-NFWAAnd 9 other
polls...All voted BYU #1.Get over it!It came on the heels of a
24 game winning streak over 2 seasons.Sixteen players off the '84
team signed NFL contracts. 16!!The only people uptight with BYU was
Bryant Gumbal, Barry Switzer and some disgruntled U fans who still can't
get over it.Add the Heisman Trophy a few years later along with
Outland, Walker, Maxwell, O'Brien and Baugh Trophies (17 National Awards in
all) and a Legendary Hall of Fame Coach, recognized by all for revolutionizing
the passing game, and we have the recipe for perpetually apoplectic U fans
regarding BYU, Hence Forth & Forever!And the U trolls showing up
on every BYU article, every single day, proves my pointNo amount of
False Bravado, Conference affiliation or Pac11.1 patch, will ever bring Utah
Football status equal to BYU as far as Legacy, History and National Brand are
Tough decision trying to accommodate the most fans who have already purchased
tickets, but, looking at the weather reports, I'd say there's only
about a 50% chance that the game will actually be played.San Antonio
or Dallas would have been better choices.
WACpaddled"How many outside of Provo know you actually have
one?"Most knowledgeable college football fans know that, but
regardless, BYU and LSU are both members of a very exclusive group of programs
that have won both a National Championship:LSU 3BYU 1Utah 0and, a Heisman TrophyLSU 1BYU 1Utah
0When it comes to the winning the quintessential team and individual
major college football awards, it's easy to see which of the above are big
time programs,and which is only a pretender.
@WACYou must be new to College football. I'm actually not from
Provo I went to school at BYU many years ago and I knew they had won in 84. Oh
and Detmer won Heisman. It's not rocket science.Let me know
when U get one please.
Sadly I had tickets to the game in Houston but I am not about to go to New
Orleans just to be rained on and possibly flooded out.....very stupid decision
by ESPN. Of all the choices they had, they picked the worse sight possible.
Guess I will fly to Dallas and watch the game from there...so sad!
@ EagleSpot on. There is currently a flash flood watch in effect for
Baton Rouge. You think they could have moved it to a better (weather wise)
location. What a nightmare trying to get to and from this location.
It seems like heavy rains are heading to this region and new reports that 14
water pumps aren't working. Moving the game there might be a very bad
Soooo, let's move the game from where Harvey has caused so much damage to a
place that is about to be flooded by Harvey.
You can belittle the Y all you want. You can talk about how we don't have
the home games and we are a mid major. Fine. But let's get truth out.
Come Saturday BYU is playing LSU in the super dome. That is an NFL
stadium and this is not the first or last time BYU has played a big game against
a big school in an NFL stadium. This game is bigger than any Bowl Utah has
played in the last five years and we play these games every year. We
all know Utah is in the PAC 12 - they tell us all the time - but show some class
and give it a rest. BYU is playing another big stage game. You don't
get those types of games if you don't have some clout. You just
Move the game to New Orleans? Dumbest idea ever espn....may get flooded out
anyway but at least lsu won't be in danger of losing homefield so if
that's the goal great job
WACpaddledThe majority of knowledgeable college football fans know
that BYU won the 1984 National Championship.It's one of those
interesting facts that football announcers always mention every time BYU plays a
nationally televised game, which occurs frequently every season.Saturday's game will be BYU's 2nd such game this season.
AZUTE1:First you hijack my screen name, now you're embarrassing
me. "Irregardless" is not a word. Use "regardless" or
KimmyPTypically clueless comment by a hater.It's no
secret that LSU is one of the elite programs in college football, but unlike U,
BYU does share a common attribute with the Tigers - both are members of the very
select group of teams that have won National Championships since 1980.The game organizers were simply trying to find an alternative site within
reasonable driving distance of the majority of fans that had already purchased
tickets for the game.The decision had absolutely NOTHING to do with
which team is higher in the college football pecking order.
Sooner UteYou're obviously clueless about geography and
BYU's fan base.Baton Rouge is only two hours from New Orleans,
which in the heart of LSU country.BYU has a huge fan base in Arizona
and is within easy driving distance of Las Vegas, California and the Wasatch
Front.The only significant BYU fan base near New Orleans is in
Texas, at least a 5-hour drive from the Super Dome.
"How many outside of Provo know you actually have one?Well there you
go, nobody cares. Its known as one of the most undeserved national titles in
college sports for a reason."0 for 3, I'm afraid.
That's par for you, though.
matman - Provo, UTAug. 28, 2017 7:49 p.m.@AZUteNo NC for
U forever! Don't forget to let me know when U win one._____How many outside of Provo know you actually have one?Well there you go, nobody cares. Its known as one of the most undeserved
national titles in college sports for a reason.
For Cougs, I tried but couldn't imagine a worse U.S. location and time of
year. Bless the hearts of the 500 BYU attending fans. Certainly LSU won't
Weige86 - Puncturing puffed up egos and enlarged dreams are too much fun just to
root on the Utes. It is an appropriate embarrassment annually for the fans of
the TDS after they win the off-season national championship every year.
@AZUteNo NC for U forever! Don't forget to let me
know when U win one.
@ hi-ya,Espn the final say on where the game will be played. They could
have settled on Dallas, Orlando, Oklahoma or Provo. Seeing where they decided to
play it, and the amount of money they're giving LSU, should let everyone
know how byu figures into the equation.
Ute fans go cheer on your team and stop obsessing about BYU
Irregardless of location, byu gets utterly smashed, period, and will so each of
the ensuing 2 weeks, period.Midmajor forever.Go Utes!
hi-ya "the idea was for this to be at a neutral site
not."Cougar fans insist that last year's Arizona game was a
neutral site game. Its about the same distance between LSU-Superdome and
Arizona-Phoenix. Every neutral site game has been closer to the P5 school than
to BYU.Why so worried about a neutral site game? Houston would have
had many more LSU fans than BYU fans.
BYU got a fantastic draw. Going from one NFL stadium to another. Lots of respect
from ESPN to schedule at another huge venue. I have to admit,
playing at the Mercedes-Benz Superdome in New Orleans sounds a whole lot cooler
than NRG stadium in Houston.
Showdown ? This is going to be a battle royale between two college football
So, are the tickets refundable?And how do we purchase tickets to the
Praying for the victims of the Houston flooding.I think it would be
a great idea for BYU and Houston to sponsor a joint clean up effort in Houston
when the time is right.As for the game:Very excited to
watch BYU play the Tigers in what is now very much a home game for LSU.
I thought this move was all about the weather??? New Orleans is expecting 10
inches in rain and a system that is only 70 percent effective at removing water
in the city. And ALL of BYU will be flying into a storm system that is no way
near leaving the area of impact. (Trying to keep BYU fans away?) Humm
it really about by-passing the weather or is there another reason??? I think
the idea was for this to be at a neutral site
Sorry its not. In the
infinite wisdom of the Money Bags who control the world
of course they
would lean to the urgings of LSU and moved it to the Super Dome
tough drive from Baton Rouge to New Orleans (snicker)
It's about the
same distance one would drive if it was a HOME game. But here is the kicker,
why didn't they hold the game in Death Valley. I mean, when BYU surprises
the heck out of the Tigers and skins them alive, might as well have added
meaning to it, by doing it in Death Valley. But I have an idea for the Lily
Tigers, move the game to Baton Rouge High School, across the street from LSU and
lets still call it an away game, because everyone knows that LSU turns into
pussy cats if they can't play within 400 miles of their home.
I hope the airlines work with the people who had already bought tickets to
Houston. Considering the airport is closed there I would think they would more
than they usually do. Good luck to the Cougs!