Many comments here are from out of state people who suggest the public is in
favor of the federal designation of Bears Ears. Perhaps so... but not at all
true with respect to the majority of Utahns. Hey, let's also designate
Long Island NY as a monument. It has rich antiquity history. And how about Los
Angeles? Or how about all the plains? And don't forget Florida and
Ohio... and Washington and Oregon. All of these have lots of antiquity-rich
history and need of preservation. Look, it is easy for outsiders to want to
grab Utah's lands. Let them start at home and fight to turn over their
@ tryingtosmile Nothing could be further than the truth to suggest fed parks
are preserved and maintained better than state parks. There is ample evidence
to the contrary.
As much as the governor states he wants to protect the artifacts and the areas
that need to be protected. I have yet to see a plan to put into place with
Native Tribes included and ready to implement. All we ever hear is HOW they want
to protect the artifacts and no plan to show how. Never. From anybody. The feds
would have given the money to do this until it was taken out of the budget. The
only state parks that are nicely taken care of are the federal ones. The state
does a horrible job of maintaining the state parks. Where are the plans to show
that the state actually knows what it is doing? It doesn't just like the
feds asking how the state plans on paying for the pipeline from lake Powell.
They keep saying trust us. Well who does when they don't have a plan. How
many years have the natives asked for this monument. 150 years.
@utahtroutstalker;You know nothing about this "this beautiful
land". It has already been drilled and mined and you and and the rest of
the world (me included) still think it is beautiful. All but a handful of
people see a small portion of this land because of roads built by those drilling
and mining companies. Otherwise you wouldn't even know anything about it.
Explain to me again why drilling and mining are a bad thing?
I am sure the Zinke report will allow for an oil/natural gas drilling corridor
right through this beautiful land.The super rich stay that way by
subverting the will of the people time and time again.Hopefully
Trump's continued battles within his own party have created enough enemies
in the middle that they will shut this down.I look forward to
McCain, McConnel, and the rest of the senators sending Trump to sit in the
corner of the class room and telling him he cannot participate in classroom
functions until he learns to behave like a big boy.
@FT"Obama actually designated the monument using the acreage Bishop
recommended in his PLI. It was either that or do nothing. He gave Bishop 4 years
to craft an alternative and he failed. "Obama didn't
designate the Bears Ears with Bishop acreage. He designated it with a few less
than what was originally "floated" (they took out land already in a
national forest) so they could say "we listened" but still gave the
environmentalists what they wanted. Think about this. Bishop is trying to get
PLI passed by Congress. Obama promised to veto it unless the PLI had everything
in it he and the Democrat/environmentalists wanted. What incentive did the
Democrats have to work with Bishop knowing Obama would veto PLI if it had less
than what they wanted? None! They all said it was dead on arrival unless it
gave them everything they wanted. Is that a way to get along and work together?
Who is the bully?
Zinke is trying to use a dubious, convoluted legal reasoning to support a
political outcome. Kind of like the Bush torture memo. Let Congress act on
this. Otherwise, this is headed to court, and it's not a slam dunk for
Zinke/Trump.@ MacD, you are wrong. There was a lot of local input
over a several year period. Obama did it right. The fact that right-wingers
don't like it doesn't change that fact.@ Tyler McArthur,
what lands did Clinton and Obama steal? What was their agenda? And I challenge
you to show me evidence that the majority of Utahns don't support monument
designation. The wishes of special interests don't cut it.@
New to Utah, out of state billionaires? You think the oil and mining types are
local average citizens? It's out of state billionaires that want the
designation scaled back or eliminated. That's a pretty amazing statement
on your part.
Phil Lyman commissioner of San Juan County expressed how the ugliness of this
review didn't need to happen. Clearly out of state billionaires who fund
many environmental groups allowed a campaign of fear of extraction, destruction
and other nonsense to supersede a measured honest discussion of the law. Clearly
Obama put political consideration as a part of the map and that is likely
illegal and needs to be changed for Bears Ears.
The resolution of National Monument Designations is not for the Executive Branch
to decide but the judicial court system. The role of Congress is to pass laws,
the Executive to execute the laws, and the courts to interpret the actions of
the Executive and Congress. The Executive branch isn't supposed to be
judge and jury.
Past monument designations were about politics and not science? This is
interesting. If this is true the present day boundaries will be hard to defend.
Awesome. Good for Zinke. Presidents Obama and Clinton can't steal
Utah's land for their own agenda.
As already noted: Impartial is incorrect, it does not require an act of congress
to reduce a monument. It has been done 19 times by prior Presidents without
being challenged once. The largest change chopped 350,000 acres off of what
later became Olympia National Park in Washington state. 19 times with no
challenge, that's a well established precedent that will make any legal
challenge very unlikely to have success. These are not National Parks created
by act of Congress (and many of them have been sized down as well). Monuments
are created by Executive Order and what one Executive can order another can
change. Trump would likely be able to remove the designations but that is not
likely to happen.If done properly this will allow for protection of
the antiquities and multiple use of the land as it has been used for
generations. Contrary to the liberal media claims this is not about drilling or
mining, but grazing, wood harvesting, Tribal worship practices, camping and yes
possibly some drilling and or mining. Multiple uses.
The antiquities act is one more way in which the Federal government has gone
astray. Assuming that any land set-asides performed under this unconstitutional
law are valid is the original fallacy. Congress should review these monuments,
and should repeal the antiquities act altogether. Unfortunately, Congress
can't even pass a budget, so getting any real work done is totally
Public Lands belong to EVERYONE; not just special interest environmental groups.
Clinton and Obama were clearly excessive in their designations of "Grand
Staircase" and" Bears Ears." The Antiquities Act should not be used
as a land-grab tool to prevent multiple use of large tracts of Public Land.
We shall see!
Zinke can ride a horse AND do his job...impressive...no crayons involved this
time!...perhaps both sides will feel a bit better when the full report is made
Only Congress can change the size of the Parks, which is in its legal right.Does not have the votes.Zinke is playing to the freaky far
right Alt Right, nothing more.Like the Wall, health care, taxes, and
national parks -- nothing will happen.
Finally, a thoughtful, legal, scientific and humane approach to this difficult
issue. If all politicians were as responsible and professional as Sec. Zinke we
would all be better off.
Public comments were overwhelmingly in favor of saving Bears Ears and our other
National Monuments. Yet, Zinke & Trump plant to take public waters and
lands away from us for the sake of industrial ravage and ruin.
Zinke's recommendation will be to reduce the size of the national monuments
(Bears Ears and Grand Staircase Escalante) which originally encompassed much
more land than necessary to protect the Antiquities. He came to his
conclusions after meetings and discussions with all stakeholders involved and
visiting the actual areas in person, which should have been done before the
original executive orders were signed.
It's interesting to contrast the reporting here versus other media
coverage. The other media that Bears Ear is still a work in progress. Her we
are hearing declarations of victory. I am sure the truth lies somewhere in
between. One of the constants from Zenke is they all the lands
will remain under federal ownership and management. That boundaries within
federal lands may shift... but who owns isn't under consideration. I do like that he wants to have better local advisory panels... seems
Zinke said none of his recommendations change the federal land ownership and the
narrative that those lands will be sold or privatized is "false."Sorry Utahns - your "land-grab?" nightmare will continue.
It is too bad that Obama went far, far beyond any reasonable reading of the
Antiquities Act in declaring 1.35 million acres as the Bears' Ears
monument. If he had stayed within any reasonable interpretation of designating
the minimum amount of land required to preserve the Antiquities, there
wouldn't be any issue. Obama obviously, and seemingly with
intent, violated the Act. Of course he did this overreach in interpretation of
many laws, and executive orders - acting more like a monarch than a president.
Yet another good reason that Trump was elected - to reverse the excesses of the
Trump....Can't build a wall with Mexico's money.Can't seem to overturn ObamaCare.My guess is that he
can't undo Obama's national monuments either. The
Alt-right will stick with him no matter what though. Oh well.
@oldasdirtObama actually designated the monument using the acreage Bishop
recommended in his PLI. It was either that or do nothing. He gave Bishop 4
years to craft an alternative and he failed. Nothing really changes with how
the land is and has been managed but the future is no longer cloudy.
It is about time we have some common sense approach to these. Both are way to
large. Clinton used a canyon to draw the boundaries for the Escalante , did
not notify any of Utah's representatives including the Governor and then
could not find any parks in Utah for the ceremony, and went to the Grand
Canyon. This was purely political to draw votes.President Obama
probably knew nothing about the matter and signed the bill that was placed in
front of him. A pattern we see in a lot during his years in office.
This relates to Impartial's speculation. The Deseret News actually ran an
article about a number of monuments that have had their boundaries changed after
initial designation. It really has happened multiple times in the past. It is
as easy as a stroke of a pen, just like creating a monument. The only changes
that have to go through congress are for National Parks.
What's now going to happen, like most things Trump promises, is nothing.
Neither Trump or Zinke can rescind the monument-only Congress, which
doesn't have the votes. Plus, any attempts to change the size or status
will end up in court, for possibly years. By that time, Trump will have resigned
or been impeached, making this entire dog and pony show moot.