"The Deseret News seems to have no problem allowing racist articles posted,
praising the concept of 'White Privilege,' which, as others have
noticed, is simply the false doctrine of original sin dressed up in different
clothes.Deseret News: stop the racist identity politics!"Yes DNews, please stop all these conservatives from advocating that
people be judged by the content of their character rather than the color of
their skin! Doing so is so racist and we can't stand it! Where's the
nearest safe space?
The Deseret News seems to have no problem allowing racist articles posted,
praising the concept of "White Privilege," which, as others have
noticed, is simply the false doctrine of original sin dressed up in different
clothes.Deseret News: stop the racist identity politics!
in today's twisted , PC, twitter adicted society it really comes down to
"what isn't racsim" rather than what is. Everybody is calling
something racism even when it has nothing to do with racism. It is the
pop-culture thing to do. This cultural rot actually hurts "real" racism
because people just start to tune all the noise out and most of it is just noise
from the left. This flag disrepsepecting punk Kapernick is being labled as a
victim of racism now by the NAACP and all the rest of the race hustler culture.
These people are demanding that the NFL be "forced" to put him on a team
(cutting someone else who actually made the team) just to pacify the violent
mob. American society won't last another 20 years at this rate.
Edward777 - of eugene, OR nailed this very problematic habit of
liberals/leftists."This is categorizing people for their race,
and then saying they should feel guilty for whatever the left says they should
feel guilty for; and then "atone" ..., ".This is a
common leftist thread, that all whites bear the marks/color of a terrible
"original sin", for which they must atone. When Ms. Allen
calls out, just as loudly, those who engage in race baiting, race pandering, and
race 'exceptionalism'... [the last absolves certain races of
responsibility for "thugish actions" or criminal actions, because whites
didn't do enough to help this or that race 20, 40, or 50 years ago. ]...
then we will know she at least can see both sides of some race issues in this
mcclark "WOW Who knew being against racism could be so
controversial."Racism takes many forms. In my opinion, many
liberal and progressive social welfare programs are racist because they
purposely entrap people into generational poverty. Planned Parenthood is racist
because it was founded with the purpose of eliminating racial minorities
(genocide). I care far more about those than some white guy sitting in his
mothers basement wearing a Nazi uniform.
Kim Jong-Un often calls out supposed racism in the US. So do the Mullah's
in Iran. However, both are trying to destroy us, just like the Leninist
alt-left. Maybe "calling out racism" is not the ultimate virtue.
@bamaphone I did not see in the article that anyone called you a racist. So why
is it you think they are talking about you?
The monitors didn't like my first post because I called out specific
entities and people and are actually mentioned in some of the other posted
comments.Basically we should call out racism, in all forms and by
all who do it. It isn't just the people protesting the taking down of
statues, it's any group, rapper, religious leader, representative in
Missouri, congress person that's pushing an agenda that doesn't
benefit all, not just some.We should look at what Dr. King said in
his I have a Dream speech and apply that to all. Not just to some.
Why is it, that only one group of people are pointed out as being racist?
Media shapes public views.Remember when media caused a love affair
between citizens, and Adolf Hitler? How did that work out?Now public
view of racism is being created.
Mcclark,Wow, yeah, who knew all that one sided racism against all the
white folks living in Utah could be so controversial. We're just sitting
here scratching our heads wondering what we did that was so bad.
@BobUtah - Draper, UTAug. 21, 2017 12:38 p.m."The United
States of America is NOT racist! These labels that the liberals slap on anything
that is not on their agenda is ridiculous! Spend some time overseas to see real
racism...in Africa where i lived for a year and a half it was racism against
whites.... many are now leaving. sad."That's great that you
spent time overseas. I'm curious what your experience is with marginalized
communities in the US. It must be extensive to make such a definitive statement.
WOW Who knew being against racism could be so controversial.
The Church had a Church College of New Zealand, and a network of educational
institutions throughout the Pacific. They also have a Polynesian Cultural
Center. It would be a great step for the church to build brick and mortar
schools in Africa, and an African Cultural Center. Just as the
building of the schools and cultural center in the Pacific have greatly aided
cultural understanding and fighting racism, so would the building of a
BYU-Africa and an African Cultural Center. It would give the African's
equal billing - and provide a great deal of support to the missionary and
humanitarian efforts of the church in that part of the world. Much more
strategic for the church than building the City Creek Center, which just serves
leadership and the rich in Salt Lake.
Why liberals can buy trump pinatas from Walmart for bashing. Who is buying that
market. Prices $16 - $62. Buy yours and what ever liberal group we want to
associate your bashing of Trump effigies, we can do as freely as liberals do.
And since Hillary supporters mistakenly believed Hillary won the election and
have been trying to find a reason to eject him, how is that different? Should
we count the many tweets in the thousands saying he did not win the election?
Real evidence was the call and request.
@Happy Valley HereticTerry Jones is not part of the tea party, nor
is Stand Up America. Again show a link between the Tea Party and
images of Obama in effigy? Also explain when you look up hanging effigies of
Obama you also get images of Bush and Palin hanged in effigy? Images do not equate to a tie that exists. Obama Bid Laden pictures
don't equate nor to left wing bloggers equate to links between the Tea
Party and effigy images. Please again a cite that actually proves or provides a
picture of actual Tea Party members culpability.I would really like
to see real evidence, And if just the fact images exist is evidence then
hanging and burning effigies of Republican Presidents or candidates must equal
support by liberal progressive organizations.
jsf asked: "Tea Partiers carrying hanging burning effigies of Obama."
Please a cite and pictures.Since apparently you don't look
outside of right wing news, here you go...Trump called for protests
in 2012 because he mistakenly believed that Obama lost the popular election.
Here is a Trump tweet from Nov. 7 of that year: “He lost the popular vote
by a lot and won the election. We should have a revolution!” Trump tweeted on Nov. 6, 2012: “We can’t let this happen. We
should march on Washington and stop this travesty.”and then
theres over 100 birther nonsense tweeted by him.Currently a
54-minute video on YouTube entitled Nationwide Burning of Effigies and Images of
President Hussein Obama, published by a group called Stand Up America Now. The video opens with two effigies of Obama hanging from nooses with a
fake gravestone in the background that reads “OBAMA DEAD,” as well
as a church and an upside-down flag.Then there's the Obama bin
Laden pictures.Sure poor Don John is so picked on, for being such a
nice guy, hilarious.
@Happy Valley Heretic.Liberals and Democrats carrying hanging burning
effigies of Bush and Trump is patriotic.Obama claiming that police are
stupid, is presidential.Claiming no responsibility radical leftist group
actions (Occupy Wall Street, BLM) is Liberal sanctuary.Amazing how
some are so sure they are morally right?Or, perhaps the brush I am
painting with is a bit too broad...
Ok, don't mind if I do. Identity politics is racist. Facts are
not racist.It is not the color of our skin that counts, but the
content of our character. Yes, I am a big fan of the Rev. Dr. King.
"Tea Partiers carrying hanging burning effigies of Obama." Please a
cite and pictures."Trump claiming that many Nazis and KKK are
good people, is presidential." Fake and false statement. I listened to each
one of his comments he did not. He said there were people there that were
protesting the removal of the monuments that are not Nazis or KKK. Far
different. But as was pointed out we need to call out hate and bigotry where
ever it raises it's evil head.Claiming no responsibility
for/and ignoring America's past in favor of "I didn't own any
slaves" Where did you make this up from. Realize there are those that came
into the country that did not own slaves, that are not racist. That have no
cause in the racist past of slavery. Antifa thugs beat a man simply
because of his hair cut. Where is the liberal out cry for attacking a man for
his haircut. Isn't that stereotyping and bigotry?
The United States of America is NOT racist!These labels that the
liberals slap on anything that is not on their agenda is ridiculous!Spend some time overseas to see real racism...in Africa where i lived for a
year and a half it was racism against whites.... many are now leaving. sad.
@Prometheus Platypus,There is no "white race" except in the
very small minds of the KKK, neo-Nazi, and left wing racists who pretend they
are not racist.Those of fair skin range from Scandinavians to Irish,
Scottish, English, Welch, Russian, Ukrainian, Slovak, German, French, and
Spanish, at least. There are many different ethnicities, languages, peoples,
and races who might be lumped together as "white".It was in
20th century Boston that red headed, fair skinned immigrants were confronted
with signs reading "Help Wanted. No Irish."It is racist and
ignorant to lump lots of different cultures together as merely
"white".And it isn't just "whites" subject to
officially encouraged discrimination today. See what an Asian kid has to do to
get admitted to many colleges vs what a "person of color" can get by
with and not only get in but be given scholarships to boot. "Under represented minority" had to be invented to allow
discrimination against groups performing well today regardless of bad treatment
in the past.
Racism is an evil that will unfortunately always be with us, and among all
races. America may be the only nation that spilled its own blood to
eradicate slavery. It was a good first step.I remember a comment
made by a man who, during a trial concerning indecency, said "I can't
describe pornography in all cases, but I know it when I see it"Can the same be said for racism? It has become a slippery slope where everyone
seems to feel entitled to be offended and cry 'racism' at the most
seemingly benign and innocent "offenses". Be very careful folks. This
is dangerous when taken too far. These people who claim to be the
guardians of our republic (who dress in black, wear masks, and destroy stuff)
claim to be fighting fascism; but do so using the fascist playbook. They are
really who they pretend to hate and be fighting against.Mutual love
and respect is a good start. But also resolving not to become so petty that
everything bordering on race (intentional or unintentional) needs to be met with
venom and attempts to destroy the offender. In fact I'm sure
someone who reads my post will be offended and cry racism.
My old friend Zeke used to say, "I'm gonna be in the newspaper. I smoke
in bed."Standing up to a skinhead provocation see,s to be a bit
like that.I was impressed by Gayla Sorenson at a recent BYU
devotional. She told the group to advocate where it will do some good. Did
people think standing up to Aryan Nation types was going to change their
minds?I don't understand those who encourage others to be party
to a riot.
"Protesting racism, is apparently evil.Protesters who are seeking
justice, are racist.Protesters seeking input on environmental action, is
un-american.Protesters seeking peace, are cowards and ignorant."Nice try, but wrong as usual. Just more liberal talking points.Violently protesting racism is still violence.Advocating for the
murder of cops is NOT "seeking justice", especially "seeking
justice" for a criminal who was shot while charging at a police officer and
trying to take his gun."Seeking input on environmental
action" is a very nice way to put it, but unfortunately it doesn't
paint the whole picture. Using fear tactics to scare legislators into spending
billions and billions of dollars to delay "climate apocalypse" by a few
hours could certainly be considered un-American, especially considering that
we're burdening our future generations with it.And excuse me
for not seeing the "seeking peace" in violent protests and
demonstrations over the past several years. Ferguson? Baltimore? Come on!Oh, and I'm sure to be deemed a racist for pointing all this out.
Does racism include Arab vs. Persian violence? Huttus vs. Tutsis? Han vs.
Mongols, Zhuang, Miao, Hui, Tibetans, and Uyghurs? Look at what
happened in Zimbabwe and what is now happening in South Africa. Why don't
you call out that racism?
Look at the headlines the alt-left HuffPo recently ran on the Bannon firing:
pure anti-Semetic racism. Show the long running anti-Semitism of the alt-left
Black. So, let's see this group call out the alt-left for racism. If not,
they are just trying to score political points, and not fight racism.
In order to get rid of racism, according to nearly every poster, is to ignore
it.Racism doesn't exist, or at least it doesn't effect me, so it
must not exist.On the other hand it's obvious that the white
race is subjected to unbelievable racism, bigotry, and discrimination?
Protesting racism, is apparently evil.Protesters who are seeking justice,
are racist.Protesters seeking input on environmental action, is
un-american.Protesters seeking peace, are cowards and ignorant.Tea Partiers carrying hanging burning effigies of Obama is patriotic.Trump claiming that many Nazis and KKK are good people, is presidential.Claiming no responsibility for/and ignoring America's past in favor of
"I didn't own any slaves"is Conservative sanctuary.Amazing how some are so sure they are morally right?
When ever I hear an American complain about "racism" and our history of
slavery, I think of what Muhammad Ali said to a reporter after his "rumble
in the jungle" fight in Africa. When the reporter asked him what he thought
of Africa, Ali, said, "Thank God my great, great grandfather got on that
So by calling out racism I can put on a helmet and take a club and start
wailing? Then I can call the "beatees" the "evil ones". This is
so awesome.Can I only do this to white racists?
It's gotten to the point where the terms racism/racist has almost lost all
meaning in our society. For too long now those labels have been thrown around
too fast and too loose, including by some on the D News comment boards. It
really is a text book case of crying wolf one too many times when in reality
it's a perjorative for telling someone you disagree with them
politically/ideolgically.Telling a group of ideolgically like minded
people in a political setting to "Call out when you see it" is just
going to further exacerbate the problem, if that's even possible.
@3grandslams"Maybe we should stop fighting racism and bigotry
and start eliminating hypocrisy."I challenge you to say that
sentence out loud once or twice. Just to see if you like the sound of it.
@Mark321"You can't own something until it is earned. The
greatest generation from the Great Depression and World War II earned that
designation. It wasn't given to them."Yes it was. By Tom
Brokaw. To sell books.
Except using words like white privilege will still be employed by those on the
left and in the media just because.
We are in danger of losing an entire generation to political correctness. The
lies and half-truths are leading the Millenial generation down the path of
ignorance. This is so very dangerous. There is racism on both sides of the
political divide, in all races. It is important to hold all racists accountable
REGARDLESS of their color. Also NOT use racism as a political tool. That is so
repugnant and disgraceful. Please, Milenials think for yourself. Don't be
used for political gain. This is the greatest Nation on Earth. We are all
Americans regardless of whatever hyphen you put in front you declare.
Native-American, Caucasian- American, Hispanic-American, African-American,
Asian-American or whatever you are. We are all Americans and the divisions in we
create are dangerous and do nothing but weaken our Country. The man who freed
the slaves Abraham Lincoln said it best. "A house divided against itself
cannot stand". Unify under our Flag, she stands for FREEDOM.
This is what civil war looks like.On inauguration day people in black PJs
and ski masks smashed windows, destroyed cars and set things on fire in DC.One after another, rallies were held to preserve what Obama gave or
forgave with $20 billion we don't have.Wheelchairs blocked the
streets.Snipers shot police. Police shot fleeing criminals.In Charlottesville, people showed up at rallies wearing helmets, carrying riot
shields and clubs. Others showed up with bats and bricks.It sure
looks like civil war to me.
Gatherings such as this one demonstrate why most Utahns are not democrats.
Best I can tell, this was very much a centrist gathering -- democrats and
republicans -- simply trying to clarify that racism is wrong and to call all of
us to a greater sense of our own racism. My sense, as well, is that the
Church's very strong statement against white (or any) supremacy was meant
for all of us as well. My feeling is that rather than be defensive (e.g.
"Antifa/the alt-left is just as racist/supremacist!!") is to just ask
ourselves if we are in any way racist or supremacist (or sexist, or xenophobic,
or homophobic, or.... etc etc ....) and after an honest self examination,
resolve to be better and more like Christ. P.S. JSB in Sugar City -- well
As the engineer at Google discovered recently, call out bigotry will end your
job if you call it out when it is directed towards white, conservative,
heterosexual, Christian, males.It is well past time to end racism,
sexism, and all other forms of bigotry.That means ending affirmative
action, not considering race or sex for college admissions or scholarships, and
the media dropping the excitement over various "firsts" to hold one
position or another. No more breathlessly reporting about the "first, black
lesbian" or "pacific islander woman" to hold a particular post in
government. AA might have been needed for a time. But is have been 50 years.
The leg up has been given. Time to end AA and all programs that track race or
sex and claim bigotry as the only reasonable cause for differences in
outcome.Neither I nor my grandchildren are responsible for the
racism of the past, nor even present. There is no just reason my grandsons
should have a harder time getting admitted to college, hired, or promoted, than
do my grand daughters.Call out racism in all directions.
I'll call out some racism. How about every time I look at the tv guide
& see the BET channel in the list, or every time I see a commercial about
black history month, or the united negro college fund. How about every time
Martin Lawrence, or any other black or Latino comedian opens their mouth. I dare
anyone to name any month as white history month. Someone tried it a while back
on billboard and was labeled a racist on the news and everything. Good luck with
that. Try to have a college fund for white kids. Try to gather with other white
people in any type of celebration of culture and heritage and you will be
labeled as racist extremists immediately and your event will be protested by
racist groups like black lives matter as being a white supremacist, racist
event. The biggest problem is you will have liberal white people, ashamed of
being white, who will join the racist groups protesting you. And while you are
not racist and care nothing for that, all you wanted to do was have a nice
celebration of your history & culture. You can only do that if you are not
I found this article shocking and hugely disappointing.One Provo
City Council candidate (Zandamela) wants to "end the normalization" of
racism. What normalization??? People have been speaking out against it and
we've had laws opposing it for several decades. Another Provo
City Council candidate (Phillips) thought racism ended when Obama was elected.
Really??? That is beyond naÏve. Plus, he wants people to apologize and
atone for racism. I'm conservative but I am not racist, so I refuse to
apologize or atone for something I am not guilty of. In fact, I have ancestors
who fought and died in the Civil War trying to defeat slavery. Is that
atonement enough??I think these candidates saw and opportunity for
political and jumped on it.
Can we call out Communism when we see it, or will this alt-left newspaper can
If you want to be called a "racist", just disagree with Al Sharpton, or
Maxine Waters or Barack Obama, et al! Yup, that will do it! It is pretty
effective since it shuts down most opposition to their political agendas!
Calling out racism is okay, if you are really doing that and not falsely
accusing others. And as long as you don't commit righteously indignant
violence against those you are accusing. Often, it seems to me, that racism is
in the eye of the easily offended beholder.
the real issue in this society is that people use reverse racism against whites.
I, for one, have never been racist to anyone but millennials have decided that
if you want to be rude to someone because he/she happens to be white, that is
not racism. Minorities want to take control of this society. No, I'm not
sorry for saying this.
Let's call out ABC, CBS, NBC for talking Russia all spring and summer,
allegedly interfering in election, with no evidence whatsoever to this day,
and final verdict still unknown. My point? People jump to conclusion and
think others are guilty when they are not. People get bored and want to only
speak on one topic. Many piano keys to play on a piano.
Like environmental issues and people getting less pay, these worries don't
have a world leader, nor a manual, nor a guideline on how to treat the guilty,
so we will be all over the map on being a referee. And in free country, some
will, sadly, call it freedom of speech. Let's all be kind and get many
hobbies, don't lose sleep over someone else's liberty to be rude.
Trying to find fault, is not a religion, and again has no leadership, and is not
wise. Pres. Obama (for whom I voted in 2008, yet didn't vote for him in
2012 for his team's negativity) in the 2016 speech at funeral of 5
police officers slain, was wrong to say we are all guilty and that we have all
thought prejudice. And can he read my thoughts, or anyone else's?
Don't assume. No human being can read another's thoughts.
Because of the media, and politicians, racism has been identified, as coming
from just one, or two groups of people.This seems to be the belief
of many people. This is not true!
I wonder how many will take the meaning to be "Call out racism when dealing
with conservatives/Republicans".Because, after all, all
conservatives are racists and no liberals are racist. We get the message.As DrMAN points out, it's impossible to have a true and honest
discussion when people call others racists, bigots, homophobes, islamaphobes,
etc and/or accusing them of wanting to get rid of sick people and deny health
insurance to as many people as possible, simply because they don't agree
with them 100% (they apparently call this "being open-minded").
I'm sure seeing white supremacists marching through town shouting slogans
that advocated the extermination of blacks and Jews damaged a lot of psyches.
When racism oozes through the cracks like that, that's very painful.There's nothing wrong with a group of people congregating in a
public park to encourage others to confront racism. What is wrong is others
questioning their message.
The man running for Provo City council, Mr Phillips lacks a basic understanding
of atonement. We do not at tone for others mistakes. Lumping entire classes of
people into reckless categories is foolish and only feeds the fuel to perpetuate
class distinction. I agree that these events really only serve to agitate and
perpetuate I'll feelings. The only attitude you can change is your own and
I agree with a previous commenter that hypocrisy is the real problem.
"For millennials to be the most powerful generation, "you have to own
it,""You can't own something until it is earned. The
greatest generation from the Great Depression and World War II earned that
designation. It wasn't given to them.
"Calling out racism" includes calling out those who falsely label people
as racist. It's likely a variation of the fairy tale of The Boy Who Cried
Wolf. Misidentifying individuals and groups as racists when they really are not
only makes it more difficult to identify and intervene to stop true instances of
racism. Example: for the 2016 election, the Democrats ran on a platform of
labeling the entire Republican Party and its members as racists, xenophobes,
homophobes, islamophobes, and the list goes on and on. When 60+ million folks
are labeled as racists when they really aren't, the term "racism"
loses its meaning and true instances of racism are easily dismissed.
I don't see there is much difference between the two groups. They are both
bad. The difference is the left wing protesters were also from out of town and
paid. Moreover the KKK, neo Nazi's, and white surpremecists are a tiny
minority. They couldn't hardly put a mayor of a small town in office. I
agree however even a small group can be mean and they seem to be.
Good counsel. The hard thing will be to recognize and address the subtle acts of
bigotry. From those that seem to mostly check the receipts if darker skinned
folks at the store before they exit to the presumption that the darker skinned
kid committed the foul or started the fight in kids games.The danger is to
call everything racism when things are just not equal for other reasons or
things just happen.Unfortunately, no one has a good everyday definition of
racism. It gets tricky when someone points out a fact about a minority portion
of a group and then presumes it applies to all the group. But what if a fact
does apply to most of the group? At what point does it get called racism? Just
because it is negative? Isn't it racist to point out a positive
characteristic also?When someone says white people can't dance? Is it
racist? If someone says 70% of black kids are born out of wedlock? Is
that a racist statement?Is someone racist, if in plain conversation with a
black person, suggests we go get BBQ? But if that person is from the south? And
if they know each other and they both like BBQ?I think it's racist to
apologize for all white people when my people never did anything
I want the call against racism and bigotry to not have boundaries. Currently I
sense it's called out to only serve political agendas, to incite hatred or
to play a victim. Maybe we should stop fighting racism and bigotry and start
I was raised in SLC and never even knew a black person up through high school
(East, 1959). I graduated from the U of U and still never became well acquainted
with a black person. So my opinion based on my experience with blacks was a
clean slate when I was drafted into the army and became friends with a lot of
black men. We lived and worked together. I thought that civil rights legislation
was wrong until a black friend explained to me what it was like to be refused
service just because he was black. It opened my mind and I understood somewhat
his frustration. I felt sorry for a couple of white guys from the south who told
me of their hatred for blacks. It shocked repelled me. I struggled with the LDS
practice re. blacks and the priesthood. I couldn't reconcile it with my
heart. I, and everyone I knew in the church felt like shouting for joy when the
"revelation" was announced. I now live in S.E. Idaho where there
aren't very many blacks but I have friends who have adopted black children
and there isn't any difference between the black kids and the white kids.
Racism is just evil and disgusting; an excuse for some insecure people to feel
superior by trying to hold others back.
There have been protests all over the country that last couple of weeks. Only
one had the Klan there. Is this really about racism, or hate over the election
of Trump. Check out the Blue lives matter website for video of the Chicago
protests where antifa wore masks. They can expose the members of the
Klan on the internet, but hide behind masks.
""The blame for this gargantuan lie rests primarily, maybe wholly, with
people who look like me and our inability to properly apologize and atone for
the sins of the past," said Phillips, who is white."This is
categorizing people for their race, and then saying they should feel guilty for
whatever the left says they should feel guilty for; and then "atone" by
what, supporting the left? This is what is pushing people to extremism on both