@blarsen wrote,"Mitt needs to step up to the plate to actually
do something positive to help the country and the President. "Yes! The country is in terrible shape. Despite McConnell's best
efforts, some people STILL have health insurance--Mitt needs to help Trump take
this away! Some streams still run pure--Mitt can use his influence to let them
be used as open sewers. And Utah's air--at least in some places--is still
breatheable. More sulfer dioxide in the atmosphere will make our country great
again.@blarsen, I'm sure I've left something off. Please
feel free to list some more things that Mitt can help with.
Just thinking that it would be so awesome if President Trump asked Mitt to fill
the slot recently vacated by Steve Bannon.Cool, or what?😄
Trump defended the constitution, while Romney tried to destroy it. Simple as
This is from the guy who says 47% of America is irrelevant??? What? Also,
Trump is in the White House because Americans want someone who will be an actual
"Trumpet" for the common man. And he is getting crucified for it.
Romney only cares about his mirror and his lust for the office of President of
the US. It is not going to happen, Romney. And if anything happens to Trump it
will be partly on your hands.By the way most of Americans are Blue Collar
and the common man. Trump speaks their language. Romney you and your team are
out of Touch.
Romney keeps stepping into it. His Hinckley Institute anti-Trump hate speech
last year was bottom feeder quality. And I'm not aware that any one at the
Institute spoke out against it, applauding it instead. So it's no wonder
that Kirt Jowers a former head of this organization fully supports Mitt in his
latest misfire.Don Peays in the original article has it exactly
right regarding Romney. Mitt needs to step up to the plate to actually do
something positive to help the country and the President. Ignoring
the extreme violence coming from the left: e.g, many celebrities and other
prominent people calling for Trump's murder, etc., etc., the unbelievable
riots at Berkeley this year aimed at blocking the Gay conservative Milo
Yiannopoulos from speaking, etc., etc., is actually quite blind and stupid.Neo-Nazis and the KKK are already extremely marginalized. It's the
incredible violence, in both statements and actions, coming from the Left that
is where the current and very real danger lies.
Hate groups left and right are part of the same Progressive Bird.Pres Trump denounced All hate groups, said we are all Americans and should
learn to come together .President Barack Obama expressed his
admiration for the KKK Grand Dragon and later, the US Senator Robert
Byrd:“And as I reflect on the full sweep of his 92 years, it seems to me
that his life bent towards justice,” Obama said. “Like the
Constitution he tucked in his pocket, like our nation itself, Robert Byrd
possessed that quintessential American quality, and that is a capacity to
change, a capacity to learn, a capacity to listen, a capacity to be made more
perfect.”Robert Byrd was Hilarys mentor.Explain how the
Democrats idolized the alt right group KKK??The uneducated and
deceived can destroy the history they never learned, obviously they need to
learn that there were many who died for their freedom. How is history going to
look back on this delusional generation? Trump has nothing to
apologize for but Romney does! Because he is part of the ill conceived
resistance that is repeating the history of Germany.
How NOT to manage a city.Group #1 has a permit and shows up with helmets,
riot shields and clubs. They should have been STOPPED immediately by police and
told to put away the gear or go home. This is NOT a protest. It is a
provocation.Group #2 shows up with clubs, rocks and flame throwers.
They should have been stopped immediately.The police were obligated
to create and maintain a barrier between the two groups. If that was not
possible, the crowd should have been disbanded immediately.The
hit-and-run took place after over three hours of unchecked hostility between the
two groups. What did the police expect?Note to all citizens: If you
see such things taking place at any event you are interested in, leave
immediately. This is NOT a protest rally; it is a riot and you are at risk.Like Gayla Sorenson recently told a BYU Devotional audience: Advocate
before people who can bring about the desired change. It seems to me these
groups wanted to put on a show for TV. They got a show all right.
@Queen of Hearts, Perhaps you are not aware that some people were protesting
the removal of historical reminders because they believe that if history is not
remembered it is more likely to be repeated and they didn’t want that.
There were other people on the other side who believed that to remove these
monuments would be removing any lasting tribute to a deplorable part of history.
A considerable number on both sides just wanted to peacefully express their
opinions in the first place. Most of the reporting that has been done on this
only focused on the KKK and neo-Nazis as if they were the only ones there. I
know people who live in the area and went and I know them well enough to know
that they are not neo-Nazis or KKK. These so called hate groups were not
in the majority but they were the ones who were rousing all the trouble and
many who were there were part of the rent-a-mob compliments of George Sorros.
On that note, you are perfectly free to dislike Mr. Trump to your
heart’s content, but I still don’t think he needs to apologize.
Shame on Romney for even suggesting that Trump's condemnation remarks need
to be retracted. What little respect I had for Romney is gone. It's a
good thing that he was not elected. We would have been poorly served by someone
who thinks condemning NAZI behavior is wrong.
Romney's call for Trump to admit wrongdoing and apologize is nothing more
than political maneuvering, anticipating Trump's impending collapse. The
political version of Hollywood westerns that cut-away to circling buzzards as
the cowboy takes his final steps before fatally dropping, alone in the
desert.Consider: the one thing that everyone on these comment
threads likely agree upon is that Trump will never admit he is wrong about
anything related to Charlottesville, much less apologize. Right?Now realize we humble commenters do not possess some secret knowledge
that Romney does not. In other words, Romney knows Trump would never
heed his "call". If anything, Trump would likely rant and whine
about Romney in an erratic 4am tweet.I suspect Romney would welcome
such a predictable reaction. It would reinforce Romney's message behind
his "call". Namely, compared to Trump, Romney is a rational,
reasonable, and coherent.The fact that Romney -- a failed GOP
presidential candidate -- is confident enough to politically resurface is a sign
that Trump is staggering and struggling. Trump is less than 1 year
in, and the 2020 GOP primary has begun...the buzzards are circling.
Mitt, what has happened to you? For what exactly should President Trump
apologize? The President called out all sides of the Charlottesville fiasco.
I think you have chosen to side with Antifa (Have you looked up these people and
how they do what they do? Who funds these people? Why are they as covered up
as the KKK?) and the President's back stabbers because you failed us in
your presidential bid, you didn't receive a cabinet position in the current
administration, you have tons of money and don't understand the regular
citizen, you have grown a tad bitter. Don't go there. The American voter
has put President Trump into office because he is a fighter. He is far from
perfect. But, he is the President of the United States and deserves our help
and support, not your constant criticism. We have people who pine for work,
infrastructure to fix, children to send to schools of their choosing, veterans
to honor and mend, tax codes to reform, health care to make possible/affordable
for everyone...There are enough worthy projects to keep you and your elitist
friends busy until the Millennium. Let's get to work!
To those asking where I received this definition of Antifa- where else -but
college protesters with the Antifa group marching in our city. I asked what the
Antifa groups believed. They stated that "other groups, conservatives, and
the Constitution were so flawed as to be needed to be changed or removed to a
more " fair" government than the corrupt U.S. Free speech was a lie
and that speech needed to be " monitored " to remove that which was
deemed immoral. Those carrying the flags, wearing black masks, and throwing
rocks are those who truly define what the movement believes not some " other
"source. Again, there are those who refuse to go to the source.
Ive noticed in pro sports they never have loser former coaches as game
commentators...for good reason...credibility. Romney ought to take notice and
perhaps keep quiet.
Why didn't Mitt say these things privately to President Trump. Going public
with his condemnation of how President Trump may have mishandled the situation,
does not help Trump correct the public misconception of what he was trying to
say. I like Mitt, or rather, I did like Mitt. But his comments do sound a bit
self-serving.As for the Pres, his messages are usually on target, but his
delivery stinks. The press and all liberals hate Trump's guts and they
will look for every opportunity to crucify him with his own words or Tweets.
The unfortunate thing is that the President can't seem to help himself with
his off the cuff Tweak’s and public comments; but he must learn how to do
this. He has now surrounded himself with great people and he needs to start
reading from the script that these wise people put out there for him. He needs
to swallow his pride and start playing the good cop, nice and PC with the press,
while letting his staff and cabinet play the bad cop, and get down and dirty
with what needs to be said to the press and nation. The President needs to keep
focused on his agenda, keeping his eye on the ball and avoid the distractions of
fighting with the press.
Sore loser - Oakland, CAAug. 19, 2017 7:57 a.m."Conservatives shouldn't help the left wing media in any way."Defending neo-Nazis, the KKK, and white supremacists is not
conservative. This is not a partisan issue between conservatives and liberals.
This is an application of basic American values standing up against hate and
oppression. Too many in this thread are supporting these vile
people. The KKK is a terrorist organization just like ISIS. The Nazi Party is a
terrorist organization responsible for over 80 million deaths during WWII and is
trying to find root in this country. Both are no different from the killers who
recently attacked civilians in Spain. Their ideology is no different.There is no place for them in this country. They are not American in any way,
shape, or form. They believe in hate and violate the Constitution by their
desire to ethnically-cleanse the United States of those they target.One cannot equivocate on this matter. They stand across the line and we must
oppose them at every opportunity.
mal - murray, UTAug. 18, 2017 12:36 p.m"A person who uses,
or encourages the use of, bricks, bats, acid bombs, aids urine or any other
object to disrupt a lawfully permitted and assembled group of U.S. citizens
seeking redress of grievances should be sent to prison as a dangerous criminal
and civil rights violator."An impassioned defense of neo-Nazis,
members of the KKK, and other white supremacist groups. "Peacefully
assembled"? Marching with torches, armed and ready for a fight and shouting
anti-Semitic slogans designed to incite a confrontation. Haven't see
anything like this since the days of the German-American Bund in the 1930s."Seeking a redress of grievances"? What does that mean? Their
grievance is having to live in a multi-cultural society where people of color,
non-Western European immigrants, and non-Christian Protestants live together in
a democratic society.It is very instructive to see how the white
supremacist and their apologists talk about freedom as it should apply to
themselves to spread their hateful, undemocratic rhetoric.Where are
you getting this stuff. Sounds like The Daily Stormer.
Governor Romney should have called for the titular head of the US government to
resign, and take his whole administration (including his so-called
"vice" president) with him.
weightless skittles - Hewitt, TexasAug. 19, 2017 9:11 a.m."Antifa means anti First Amendment and dissolution of the Constitution for
a globalist world funded by George Soros action groups."Say
what? Where did you get this? Is this a Fox & Friends definition that is
making the rounds in Alt-Right circles? It's certainly not the what
"Antifa" means. You should know better even if you listen to wingnut
propaganda."Antifa" is a contraction of
"anti-fascist" and goes back to the 1930s in Europe and the fight
against the Nazis in Germany. It's modern, American incarnation is a group
dedicated to fighting fascist organizations here like the white supremacists,
the neo-Nazi's and KKK. They take a much more activist approach and will
utilize violence in combating the cancer that they see on the Far Right with
Breitbart white nationalism.You may disagree with their tactics (as
many on the Left do), but don't make statements that they are anti-First
Amendment and part of a George Soros cabal to undermine the Constitution. Unless
you are a defender of these white supremacist groups, it can be argued that
these racist elements are the anti-Constitution force in our partisan divide.
Romney should apologize for giving us Obama's second term. Mitt
wouldn't even fight to be the President, but is more than happy to stand on
the sidelines and spew things against our President.
Unity and acceptance of the Constitutional legitimacy of this Presidency needs
to happen if we can move forward in this country. Racism is a terrible scourge
in any culture. If you read Pres. Trump's remarks instead of listening to
others you will see what his intent was. At this white supremacist rally, while
repugnant, was legal because they had done the paperwork to hold the rally.
Then, you had the Antifa group show up illegally. ( By the way- Antifa means
anti First Amendment and dissolution of the Constitution for a globalist world
funded by George Soros action groups). The Antifa group was throwing cement
filled soda cans and lighting the ends of spray can to burn the White
Supremacists. Then the terrible that a loss of life that occurred. What
we as a nation must do is see that regardless of the sick message of any group,
that they protest peacefully. I believe Trump was trying to express that even
with vile ideas people have, they can be good people who can learned or change
their views which are hurtful or considered terrible by the culture. Why
should this be foreign to anyone? Christ, prophets, Lincoln, MLKjr, and others
have given the same message.
If man was to rob a bank, the media could have people falsely believing Trump
Instead of using a label (RINO) to describe people, why don't we use actual
words. Of course, the use of labels is quick and easy, but ...
I love Mitt however the left wing media will never accept conservative politics
but will always word parse and question intentions. Conservatives
shouldn't help the left wing media in any way. Mitt got
skewered for his "folders full of women" remark, he should know better
than to side with left wingers. Trump tells the media to take a hike
We should quit criticizing him and just get on board?He fires his
chief strategist, he fires his chief of staff and hires a new one, loses a
promised health care bill, fires his communications director, hires a new one,
fires him, publicly shames the attorney general multiple times, threatens war
with North Korea, says there were lots of good people marching with Nazi flags
and that it is sad communities want to take down statues of civil war traitors
because it's history.That's the last three to four weeks.
No, I don't think so. Let the accountability continue.
desertminerals - Odessa, TXAug. 18, 2017 12:11 p.m."So,
the President says what most people are thinking . . . "With
Donald Trump's approval ratings running south of 35%, it appears that you
are looking at a very small pool of people for your crude statistical survey.
Sure, most of the people you may talk to support what Trump says, but how many
people are you speaking with and what is their partisan viewpoint
politically?Trump says that there are "good people" among
the neo-Nazi's, KKK, and white supremacists, and you say the people
you've talked to agree with that. It certainly is an unusual group of
people with whom you are talking. I don't know a single person who approves
of these groups. Most would want them to disappear back under the rocks from
whence they came.Where do you get your information if you don't
read/listen to the major media outlets? Breitbart? InfoWars? Fox & Friends?
It's not research when you just repeat what you heard on a wingnut
propaganda site. These are not traditional conservative groups selling this
bilge.Is this what Rushbo and Hannity are feeding their audience
these days? "Paid actors?" It's hard to think Antifa activists are
twinkleberry67 - Layton, UTAug. 18, 2017 10:46 p.m."Apologize? Trump was condemning the whole mess because it deserved
it."Donald Trump said that there were good people among the
neo-Nazi's, KKK, and other white supremacist organizations. Do you think
that he was right in saying that? If you do, then tells us what these groups
stand for, and by extension, why "good people" would believe in these
things?As for violence, the United States waged a the most
destructive war in history to defeat Nazi ideology. Would you condemn the United
States as "part of the whole mess" and requiring condemnation? Is there
a place for Nazi's in the United States? Our laws may protect them, but
they are abhorrent. What do you think goes through a Jewish person's mind
when he/she sees a Nazi flag? Do you think they should just stand by and say,
"Well, they're just expressing their 1st Amendment rights"?Also, how should black Americans descended from slaves react to the
demonstrations by members of the KKK? What about Catholics and Jews who are also
targeted by the KKK? The white supremacists came with the explicit desire to
have a violent confrontation. So where is the "whole mess" in this?
Looks like many agree that Mitt is wrong again. Since the press treated Mitt in
a petty, childish way, ("binders of women";. carrying pet dog on roof
while driving to vacation; giving another kid a "noogie" in middle
school, no less) appears Mitt is trying to get even by chiming in against our
President.Too bad Mitt wasn't half this aggressive and
"insightful" during that last debate with Barack Obama. Then, perhaps,
we could be questioning his every move instead of Donald Trump's.😁
Mitt got it wrong. The President said exactly what needed to be said. Because it
doesn't fit your political agenda, doesn't make it wrong. Where were
you when Obama blamed cops, defended Tray Martin, let Ferguson escalate. Now
those were racist moments that needed to be addressed. More cop killings under
Obama and you said nothing.
Dateline 2012 - Romney calls for voters to elect him for president.2015 -
Romney calls for voters to elect Jeb.2016 - Romney calls for voters to
elect Hillary.Do you get the idea that America isn't listening
to you, Mitt?
I voted for mitt. He lost. We'd be better off if he had won but he
didn't. Now I think he needs to do something else. To lose to barry was a
disgrace as he was 100% incapable of being president. Goodbye mitt.
Mitt Romney, I agree with most on this thread. Your opinion was not received
well and served no good!God bless America, and God bless President
A dozen commenters rip into Romney for calling Trump out. They say that
"both sides were guilty" and that Trump called it right the first
time.I'm wondering how many of these readers don't really
mean what they say. Or, more specifically, if they are really thinking that
there is NOTHING really wrong with being a neo-Nazi or a white supremacist.I've yet to see documentation that the counter-protesters were
armed with rocks. But it's documented that they protesters carried guns.
And none of the Trump defenders think that there was anything the least bit
risky about that..
There is no moral equivalence between Nazis and those who protest them.
Period.Anyone who apologizes for Nazis by claiming that the
"Left" has a problem with moral judgments. Remember that.
Nazis, and their Alt-right brethren, yelled epithets and inspire violence to
Jews, Blacks and other disfavored minorities. They seek to place Caucasians in
complete control of society, not unlike Apartheid South Africa. Some model they
seek.The "Left" (or most sane Americans, I say) know is that
you must confront evil when you see it. And the Nazis and Alt-right followers
are just that.Is violence wrong. Sure, no doubt. However to say
that the "Left" committed some act of violence, and then give moral
equivalence to Nazis because of that, is just plain immoral and
unconscienable.That so many otherwise sane Americans can follow that
logic of Nazi moral equivalency makes me weep for the country.
Let me get my bias out of the way first, I'm not big on
armed-peaceful-protests... when you're armed, denouncing other races, and
carrying torches... you probably can't say you're preaching peace
there.Now, Mitt says he's against Trump's words and
actions, but he is always looking for a position in Trumps administration...
this is why we don't vote for Mitt.. the guy is all over the place.
Mitt's got to practice what he preaches too. He's got to quit being so
Brother Romney, you are sounding like a sore loser.
From a friend's facebook post. He gets it right:"What
happened was a very well organized demonstration of alt/right groups which
included the neo-Nazis, etc. They marched with torches through the campus. They
shouted slogans about Jews and Blacks. No violence by the
"anti-fascists" can equal or change the terrible fact that we had an
alliance of groups which included avowed white racists and neo-Nazis which was
making a major effort to "come out" to the public. Please remember that,
while the marchers may not have meant it, their march invoked memories of
lynchings of African Americans in the South, memories of children raised in
slavery. And these were also reminders of the 12 million Jews, Roma, Slavs,
homosexuals, and political dissidents who were murdered by Hitler, in death
camps where they were either directly fed into gas chambers or worked as slaves
until they died."
In 2010, during his eulogy, President Barack Obama expressed his admiration for
the KKK Grand Dragon and later, the US Senator Robert Byrd:“And as I
reflect on the full sweep of his 92 years, it seems to me that his life bent
towards justice,” Obama said. “Like the Constitution he tucked in
his pocket, like our nation itself, Robert Byrd possessed that quintessential
American quality, and that is a capacity to change, a capacity to learn, a
capacity to listen, a capacity to be made more perfect.”Its seems
many democrats worship the KKK. So Mr Kesseler who organized the so
called peaceful Nationalist march, (which the police so conveniently marched to
meet Antifa and BLM) who incidently voted for Obama and was apart of Occupy Wall
Street, all of a sudden becomes a Republican? Not likely! This was an
organized event by OFA and funded by Soros.Mitt wants an apology for
what? For Trump denouncing all hate groups?Or, is it Mitt & everyone
wants to find fault in any thing Pres. Trump says or does? The demoncrats and
globalists are hell bent on destroying a sitting President. This is anarchy and
RRB - SLC, UTAug. 18, 2017 10:19 p.m."Appologize for what
Mitt? do you really believe the Klan was the only hate group there?"No. There were neo-Nazi's and other white supremacists. But you
might as well expect the wind to stop blowing during a windstorm to get Donald
Trump to apologize for anything.Nada for the Birther talk.Nada for the Access Hollywood tape.Nada for assaulting women.We could go on and on about the many times Trump should have apologized
for boorish behavior, lies, misstatements and other errors of commission and
omission.Other than that, it's a waste of time trying to
convince the unconvincable. Trump supporters will willingly follow him wherever
he leads. He's like Jim Jones at People's Temple.
Do people realise what is really going on hear. George Soros owns
alot of the media outlets and George Soros is a communist who is a Oblama
supporter and both are Saul Alinksy clones.Saul Alinsky wrote that
once a political group wanted to protest against then George HW Bush Sr. Who was
running for pres. This group really wanted to create a stir at a college campus
where Mr Bush was holding a rally. Saul Alinksy suggested instead of protesting
against him they should instead cheer for him, confused by the suggestion the
group asked why, Saul Alinksy said dress as a group of KKK members and cheer for
Bush everytime he says something.All this is is the media puting a
Saul Alinksy tactic into play, Trump never said he supported the KKK or the Neo
Nazi's or white supremicists groups, Trump flat out denounced them and all
hate groups, including both sides in the Charlottesville riot because both sides
were the cause.Noone on the right is supportive of the KKK or any
white supremicist group, and they dont support the other hate groups that were
there also named black lies matter and antifa.Trump called them both
out, dont buy into the Alinksy tactics of the MSM.
Trump supporters to the rescue...or should I say Romney haters? It is amazing
how hateful some people can get when they say something that doesn't fit
into their echo chamber.
President Trump doesn't need to apologize. Mr. Romney you have let your
emotions get the best of you. Mr. Romney please start supporting the President
of the United States. Too many politicians are destroying the sacred trust of
the American people. President Trump isn't the most polished speaker but he
won the election. He's doing good but getting knocked down by people in his
own party. He needs some humble but firm guidance to make America great again
because he can't do it alone. Support President Trump.
Apologize? Trump was condemning the whole mess because it deserved it. Why does
he need to apologize for it? Looks like Mr. Romney got sucked into some nasty
Appologize for what Mitt? do you really believe the Klan was the only hate group
Trump will never apologize. He said what he meant on Tuesday and his image as
being a straight, blunt talker won't allow it. He seems incapable of
admitting wrong-doing. I agree with what Mitt said regarding who
Trump is. As near as I can tell, Trump's base doesn't care about or
believe he does any kind of abhorrent behavior. I don't know how that can
be, but it seems to be true. Now *that* is scary, even scarier than Trump.
So my daughter who lives overseas in an Middle East Country and is as liberal as
they come, thinks we are all crazy. The statue issue gives her a belly laugh.
Her comment tonight, 'people in this Country need to realize how special
this Country is. Try criticizing a top government official where we live and
you'll lose you head." Then she said, "bring down all the statues
in this Country, starting with the State of Liberty. Where were we when the
Jews of 1940 needed liberty. Oh and those Statues with moms and little kids
really offend me as a woman that can't bear children. Get rid of them, they
make me cry." Well there you have it folks! Of Course she was tongue in
cheek, but really!
Summary of most comments on this thread:"Nobody puts Baby
[Trump] in the corner"
It's best that Romney not judge Trump or give judgemental advice.
A life-long Republican, devout Mormon, successful businessman, successful
governor, and a generally stable and sane person dares to offer guidance to a
sitting POTUS who is flailing and failing largely due to his complete lack of
all such qualities......and readers of DN have a problem with this,
As I understand it. President Trump condemned Hatred on both sides. What is
wrong with that? His first statement was his best. Hatred for others has no
place in our country. To me, his comment was directed toward both sides of the
conflict in Charlottesville.. Extremist Left and Extremist Right. I did not hear
him applaud a group or praise anyone. I heard him Condemn the actions and
hostility that took place in Charlottesville. And each ensuing statement made
reinforced his initial comments. Hatred is not acceptable. Unfortunately our
country is a mix of different people and different belief systems. some teach
hatred and some teach love and respect. But both are protected under the first
Amendment. Which should be upheld and protected. If we don't like a groups
actions or opinions we choose to not associate or do business what that group.
and thus demonstrate our displeasure. Each of us have freedom to make choices
and we will be judged by the choices we make. Whether in this life or the next.
No one is immune. In my opinion President Trump said what needed to be said the
first time. Hatred of this type from both sides is not what America is all
Oh Mitt; here we go again. I'm not sure what world you are living in, and
I voted for you in 2012. I also voted for John McCain in 2008. Yet, the two of
you have lost your minds. Stop the political correctness and get back into
reality. President Trump stated it exactly as it should be as BOTH sides were
violent. It was one crazy who caused the horrific injury, but lets not lose
sight of the forest for the trees sir. President Trump seems to be the only one
looking through the lens of objectivity, and I suggest spending more time
supporting our president than tearing him down. Let's just remember this
simple inalienable truth....ALL LIVES MATTER! If anyone gets offended at that,
then they are the source of problems. When we have an ALL LIVES MATTER march, I
will be the first to support it as should you sir. Until then, all we are doing
with comments like yours is to fuel the problem and not solve it. I therefore
ask you, Mr. Romney, to apologize for your remarks asking for Trump to apologize
and get on board with bringing our country together.
Wow, this country has changed in the last year; or maybe it’s just that
people are emboldened to give expression to the worst parts of themselves. I like to look at the Deseret news because it’s local and
presumably more relevant to me and then some out-of-town this paper. But the
comments to this article make me feel like I’m living in the deep South in
the 1960s. And, while I’m not a member, it’s not the
church’s fault. Their statements on race and racial inclusion are, I
think, fairly unequivocal, at least for the last 20 years or so. As
has always been the case, the thinly veiled racism is, I think, driven by
insecurity and fear. What else? So get over it: this state is so much better
Mitt says that other countries will perceive us as a racist nation. If
countries did this, they would be reacting emotionally instead of logically.Let's do some math. The United States has a population
of roughly 323 Million (probably more).The KKK (current 3rd clan according
to wikipedia) has a total of 8,000 (highest reported figure)8,000 is
0.00002477% of the population. Is it too much of a percent? Of
course. Are there other racist organizations? Yes, and I'm not going to
point them out because they 100% don't deserve it. So yes, the percentage
is probably higher, but not significantly if we're talking about organized
hatred. Statistically and mathematically, it's hardly correct
to assume we are a racist nation. So, I really just don't believe the hype
of any of these statements. We need to be more rational and less emotional in
This is just high-level bullying. Nobody wants to be painted a racist (and
understandably so), so everyone's falling all over themselves to make
whatever statement is deemed necessary to not be called a racist. We can't
have rational discussions about this, and that's very sad.There
are violent extremist groups on both sides of the aisle, but only one side gets
any flak. Why is this okay?Seeing Romney stoop to this level again
is even more sad than his self-righteous diatribe against Trump during the
election. He'll do whatever it takes to please the establishment and regain
some little bit of relevance.
I am left to wonder in amazement at what is happening to our country. Have we
really become so blinded by political rhetoric that we are willing to justify
neo-Nazi behavior as a counterpoint to BLM? While I do have issues
with some tactics of the BLM crowd, I can in no way support anything to do with
the most despicable attack on humanity the world has ever seen. Nazism is evil
in every facet and millions of the Greatest Generation fought and died to defeat
it. Now we want to turn a blind eye because we don't like BLM?!?! Heaven help us.
Mitt is easily baited by the press. They are making sure he never runs again.
There is absolutely nothing that President Trump can say that won't be
criticized into oblivion! Just ridiculous that our Country has stooped so low
and that so many 'grand standers' want to weigh in on the controversy
to get a 'twitter' of fame. I am sick of it. This is so counter
productive and nothing gets done. The Congress will only be in session 44 days
through the end of this year. Getting side tracked from the real issues we are
facing is a tool of distraction to bring failure to this administration. Safety
and Security of our citizens, Immigration Reform, Infrastructure Rebuilding,
Balanced Budget, Health Care due diligence (like Republicans have had years to
get that in a comprehensive form and missed by 1 vote - fail ! ) and so much
more; all getting side lined by speculative sensationalistic microscopic news
coverage over the semantics of what was said. Today I saw a negative piece
about what shoes the First Lady was wearing - this is absurdity.
I am dismayed that Mitt continues to fall into the mire with the media who
continues to 'get it wrong' because they want to. Repeatedly hear what
they want to hear and disregard the rest and make hay over it for days on end. I
am ashamed of Mitt. He is a good man, but he is so wrong on politics these days.
Please just stop holding a grudge against Trump, he at least tried to consider
you for Sec. of State! I think he is a good listener and has listened to the
American people on his agenda issues. Understand that America is up against a
very committed communist in George Soros and much of the media. Everyone needs
to refresh themselves with what is part of the Communist Manifesto and you will
be so dismayed that our country has turned so far left and has fulfilled much of
that horrendous Manifesto.
@common sense in Idaho - Pocatello, idAug. 18, 2017 1:19 p.m.Sweet, you know how to cut and paste too. I've been doing it for a long
time, and I can put up quotes all day long, and edit out things I don't
want to include. Fake news has been doing it for years. Trump denounced
violence, racism, hatred and so on. I have the quotes. You may think he needs to
use the same precise verbage, that the rhino, gop, star panderer uses, but many
of the rest of us, don't worship or slobber over Romney as much as you do.
We can all decide for ourselves. You lefties have all decided that these
white supremacists, nazis are sub-human. Undeserving of basic civil rights and
decency. Many of you have said the first amendment doesn't apply to them.
They are evil and pathetic. Why don't you start a movement to round them up
and get rid of them. Who's going to stop you? Trump? White, Christian,
males from many red states. All the things the left hates.
I don't care for Mr Trump, but he is not my whipping boy for everything
that goes wrong. People are responsible for their own actions, and mistakes.
Trump neither said anything wrong, nor did it cause any of these incidents. Mr
Romney, please condemn him for not acting "Presidential", but leave off
blaming him for every bad incident. We already have plenty of journalists to do
that for us.
I'm concerned that people think there is only one hate group in America.
Please look up "The Rise of the Violent Left" in the Atlantic. The great danger to America is not the Klan, who we all know and hate,
it's the other hate groups that are given a free pass. Remember Antifa in
Portland early this year?The car did not jump the curb, the woman
was hit in the middle of the street, closed down by the antifa (and other
groups) protestors, chanting "our street". He hit a car stopped in the
middle of the road by protestors. Mitt has really lost credibility
'Let him who is without sin cast the fist stone". The Democrats must be
sinless, since they are always casting the first stone.
It's so typical of liberals to twist the narrative. I have seen no post or
comment on these article that "excuses the actions of the NeoNazis."
They have uniformly condemned their attitudes, behavior and actions. No one is
justifying their violence. My question, and many others' is, why is the
violence and hatred incited by BLM and antifa justified.There are a number
of things of which to be critical of Trump. This isn't one of them.
I am so amazed at the Monday morning QBs among the Utah elite. So why did
Romney wait so long to usher in his 2 cents worth. Why didn't he do it
Saturday or Monday if he was so in tuned. Politics is so calculating and being
a sore loser just goes to show why some don't win but they failed. Romney
failed. He did not deliver and now he is letting the media drive his comments.
Oh how easy it is. Trump has done an excellent job of delivering and thats why
I voted for him. It had nothing to do with race as I have more friends on my FB
of color than any of my Utah wannabe's. The facts are clear and continue
to be clear. Trump is having to fight not only the opposition party but
RINO's and the Media. Trump indeed blasted the KKK, Nazi's, and Alt
Right. There are those in the south that want to keep their history and they
should have that right and went to the rally for that purpose to protest this
element. We dont know who all were there but reports are that some went to
protest the removal of these monuments. There was also those from the left that
broke the law and attacked those in opposition. Facts are facts. Trump was
denouncing all those that made racist remarks etc.
Patriot - - I suggest you do your own research. Trump has declared both sides
equally responsible for the violence. The skin heads, neo-nazi's, white
supremicists came ready for battle. A neo-nazi drove a car into the crowd trying
to kill and injure as many as possible. Trump declared the white supremicists
evil on Monday under pressure and then backed away from that statement
Tuesday.You are certainly entitled to your own opinion but there are
only one set of facts here.
This is phony, fabricated outrage. Why would Romney feel the need to stick his
nose in it?Because he is an election loser and is mad at Trump for
making him look foolish (Sec. of State). If he cant see this for
what it really is then he should just drop out of political life altogether.
But if he knows this is fabricated outrage and stuck his nose in for some
vendetta, then he REALLY needs to drop out of political life altogether -
especially as a Republican. I think Romney sees himself as the guy
that will rise up and "save the Constitution" as it hangs by a thread.
I see him as RINO and someone that needs to just go away and never be heard from
again. The news media treated Mitt so well when he ran, you'd
think he'd know better and stand up for Trump. But since his stunt at the
University of Utah, he's been no better than any other anti-Trumper. There isn't a racist bone in Trumps body, this is simply a tactic
the left uses to attempt to discredit people. I'm getting sick of this.
Actually, Trump HAS denounced white supremacy, NeoNazis and violence in
protests, but the anti-Trump sentiment is so strong in the press that they
edited it out. They focused on his comment that both sides have a point and both
sides are to blame.The media cannot allow that there is another
point-of-view here. There are well-meaning people who think it is wrong to tear
down Confederate icons 150 years after the war was fought and decided.In essence they are forcing politicians to side with antifa or forever be
labeled a nazi and a Trump lover. Those are the choices. You can't even
remain silent on the issue.That's manipulation, pure and
simple.There are millions of people who simply refuse these false
choices.Is Brigham Young next?
Welcome to The Divided States of America where everyone hates everyone else.
Romney said "Trump needs to "testify" that there is no conceivable
comparison or moral equivalency between the Nazis-who brutally murdered millions
of Jewsand hundreds of thousands of Americans gave their lives to
defeat-and the counterprotesters who were outraged to see "fools parading
the Nazi flag, Nazi armband and Nazi salute."Which of you
posting here disagree with what he said. Please stand up.Well
@FT,What has Trump done to show he's racist. Time to put up!
Accusations without facts is foolish!
re:common sence in idahoThe president called these white supremisits evil.
Best do more research before commenting.
It's so odd that people who I would normally think are good people are
actually standing up for nazis and racism. Honestly, if you think the nazis were
the victims here, you really, really need to evaluate your own moral code.
You're past the point of political relevancy Mitt. Few, if any, care what
your opinion is.
Thank you Eastcoastcoug - A voice of reason here. No excuse for
neo-natzi's and skinheads carrying the Natzi flag chanting heil Trump.
All I can say is thank heaven Romney wasnt elected president. Conservatives
rejected him and rightly saw no difference between him and Obama.
Mitt please just go away! You have been exposed as a Rino not as a
conservative. You care more about the elitist agenda than you do about America.
Whatever good you were at one time does not excuse you now for being a
globalist sell out. Go peddle your new world order/mainstream media talking
points somewhere else like Boston or New York. You may have Mormon roots but
your friends are Gadiantons! If you can not follow the timeline where
Trump was denouncing the violent protesters on both sides even before the women
in the crowd was run over then we should be so thankful that someone like you
was never elected.
There are some that still don't get it:You can't excuse
the actions of the NeoNazi's by saying what the other side did was
'just as bad'. Some have depicted this group as peace-loving,
law-abiding citizens seeking to 'redress grievances'. Are we in
1920's Munich?? This is the problem when O'Reilly and his
pals write the only history books we read.Bottom Line: Trump loves
these hate groups because they support him. That is his one and only qualifier
for liking a person or group. And they know he supports them.I find
it rather telling that some choose politics over their Faith and Christian
Oh my goodness Mitt, just stay out of it. Nobody cares.
You mean the honorable Mitt Romney, D-Massachusetts?
Oh please Mitt!!! I have a better idea. Why don't you apologize for ever
calling yourself a Republican? When I listen to Chuck Shumer, Nancy Pelosi,
Hillary Clinton and then you, I honestly can't tell the difference.
I so wish Mitt had included just one additional statement: friends, i am so
hoping that all of you will immediately concur with the following statement and
then cut and paste it into all you social media and proclaim it throughout the
world:"A person who uses, or encourages the use of, bricks,
bats, acid bombs, aids urine or any other object to disrupt a lawfully permitted
and assembled group of U.S. citizens seeking redress of grievances should be
sent to prison as a dangerous criminal and civil rights violator."Perhaps, we should cut and paste this quote into all our social media and
proclaim it throughout the world.
I love Mitt but he has been virtually poisoned by the Massachusetts liberal
bubble. Trump's comments were puzzling to many at first (ie - there were
good people on both sides and evil people on both sides) but as the facts come
out Trump is being found to be right on AGAIN.No apology necessary. Thugs
on both sides are to blame. Racism is evil and the KKK and Neo Nazis are to be
condemned in the strongest terms while giving them their 1st Amendment rights.
No one has the right to club people with whom they disagree.The rationale
that because some evil people are praising you should make you apologize is not
accurate. Mitt needs to specify which part of Trump's statements, if any,
ACLU was on the right side this time, they said freedom of speech needs to
happen, even if it is ugly. We going to take down Mt. Rushmore next? Or
should Mr. Trump be the fifth face on that mountain? Mr. Trump is no
different than Mr. Obama when it comes to race relations, recall in year 2016
when 5 police men were taken from us in Dallas, TX? Messrs. Obama and Bush
spoke at the funeral. And guess which of the two, in the funeral speech,
turned into a professor and lectured on how racism is in every institution.
Mr. Obama. Speech is online. Perhaps he was right, yet to say this at a
funeral? He has one track mind, that of lawsuits and unfairness all around.
Sadly, I voted for him in 2008. This issue will be around a lot longer
than Mr. Trump's 8 years in office.
Romney is out of touch and does not seem to understand the current political
situation in America. I must have missed it when he attacked black lives matter
demonstrations. Never trumpers and the national media have a strong sense of
selective outrage and this outrage is politically motivated. Its often biased
and destructive.Furthermore, statements like Romneys do not help the
country but only divided it more. Romney must have forgotten how he was
portrayed by the national media. If Romney had been elected there is a good
chance he would have been portrayed as negative as Trump if not worse.Nationally, on one side you have a political party focussed on idenity
politics, relentlessly attacking American history and dead white men. A party
seeming bent on detroying monuments, changing names of historical places and
rewriting history. It also promotes bringing in as many non white immigrants as
possible to forever alter the social fabric, culture and demographics of the
USA. Whereas some people in the other party oppose this agenda.To
suggest that Trump is destroying the national fabric and should apologize to the
people who promote identity politics is ludricious.
No Mitt is wrong, dead wrong.There were people wearing helmets with
clubs and armed with rocks holding plackards and signs made of plywood with
antifa and blacklives matter written all over it. These people came there with
the intent to fight.Anyone who thinks antifa and black lies matter
are peacefull you are fooling yourself.Trump is right on this one
those are the facts it takes two to tango, and as much as neo nazi's and
white supremicists are bad news it took both sides to start a fight.One group preaches anti white privilege and the other preaches white racism,
both are hate groups.Sad to see people on the right politically
joining the liberal leftist false naratives like Romney and find a very fake
reason to hate Trump.Trump flat out denounced hate groups and called
out the kkk and white supremicists and called out the the other side too there
is nothing wrong with what Trump said.
Let me say this as clearly as I can - I will NEVER vote for a Romney again!!!In fact, I'd desperately like all that money I donated back as
well. None of the sons of Mitt will ever get my vote. Romney is an
embarrassment and just needs to go away. Draining that swamp that
is DC is near impossible.It's almost like Mitt hasn't
watched any of the videos of what happened there. The Antifa crowd started this
whole thing. I for one am getting sick of this nonsense. You can't call
out the alt-left now because it was at an event planned by some crazy Nazi
sympathizers? Of course you can. You call out both sides - which is what
President Trump did.Give me a break and go away Romney's!
So, the President says what most people are thinking and He needs to apologize?
Most of the people i talk to in Utah, Arizona and Texas, who have NOT listened
to msm and actually did their own research, agree with the President. Both sides
were ready for war, the mayor stood the police down so that there would be war.
When Mitt Romney gave up on his race, I stopped listening to him. I am now
wondered if good old Mitt was paid to back off from winning. But as for this
last weekend, watch the videos coming out now. Even the police say that antifa
and blm came for war. The people say that they could not just leave the area
without the police pushing them into antifa's way. Now there are reports
that there were PAID ACTORS ON BOTH SIDES, PAID TO START THIS WAR. Too many
questions are starting to come up. Why was antifa and blm ready with water
balloonso filled with urine, water bottles filled other stuff, bear pepper
spray, ready to be used, but these are peaceful people? Why was the police told
to put these groups together then told to not stop the cars or the people
hurting others? Mitt, can you explain?No, it is easier to blame the
President for saying the truth.
Trump doesnt need to apologize again because Romney said so. Having Romney put
his nose in it doesnt help the situation.
It's time for Trump to go. Our foray into demagoguery and populism is an
unmitigated disaster that is not only destroying the GOP but tearing our country
apart. It's time for GOP leaders and voters to get behind
Romney - the last standard bearer with a conscience - and tell the alt Right and
Talk Show hosts (Hannity, Levin, Rush, Savage, Ingraham, Coulter et al) to get
lost. Too long we have been sold fear and hatred of others as a way to
'Greatness' while these clowns get rich.Conservatism needs
to find its soul.
Perhaps Trump could take a page out of the Romney 47% remark playbook and say
his words were not elegantly stated and off the cuff without disavowing the
essence of his statement.
So Trump can strongly condemn racism twice, but Romney can tell lies about him
and it's ok. It's a twisted world we live in. It will be interesting
to see if the Deseret News will allow this truth to be posted. And it is truth.
Trump pointed to the truth about the nature of hate. Whatever soul hate is
pouring from, it is still hate.
@ strom Thurmond"Mitt Romney called Donald Trump (who actually
succeed in being duly elected President of the United States) a phony and a
fraud."That was not an ad hominem attack. That speech lasted 17
minutes. Romney simply said what the rest of the country was thinking. It was
the best 17 minutes of Romney's political career.
The Donald should have bailed with Bannon.
Mitt Romney called Donald Trump (who actually succeed in being duly elected
President of the United States) a phony and a fraud.If I say the
same words of him, will they allow to be published here?His words
certainly are, regardless of how venomous and inaccurate.
Let me try and understand. Romney wants Trump to apologize for saying :"We condemn in the strongest possible terms this egregious display of
hatred, bigotry and violence" and "It has been going on for a long,
long time. It has no place in America."I knew there was a reason
I had to hold my nose when I voted for Mitsky.
Trump is never going to apologize. It's like asking a Rottweiler to
meow.Romney rightly blasted Trump's character before the
election. Then he fell all over himself trying to become Trump's Secretary
of State. This love/hate relationship with Trump hasn't helped
Romney. Had Romney become president, he planned on being the first "CEO
president." Trump obviously thought that was a great concept.
Romney is correct, but there is no graceful exit for the president. It is
unlikely that a man with his past record, who is 70 years old, will suddenly
become reflective, compassionate and nuanced.
An apology from Trump. That's not going to happen. Come on Mitt, you had
him pegged right last year when you gave your speech at the University. Trump
is 73 years old and is now who he's always been. That being a racist,
narcissistic, adulterer, misogynistic liar. Those type of people don't
apologize they continue to be who they are as long as they are enabled.
It's now up to patriots to remove him from office.