Op-ed: The LDS Church, Charlottesville and continuing revelation

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  • American First Merced, CA
    Aug. 24, 2017 12:00 p.m.

    A large part of this op-ed is liberal spin however the Church has seemingly been infiltrated by a 'few' 'progressive' political activists. The Charlottesville debacle was provably conjured by leftist forces including those in government as a strategy to divert the publics attention away from the failing Russia collusion narrative. The actual percentage of 'white supremacists' active in national politics is quite low no matter how the southern poverty law center spins it. The much more glaring problem is coming from leftists who are successfully using racial fear mongering to divide and conquer from within a nation they view as evil. For the Church to chase a political red herring and not even acknowledge or recognize the real problem is concerning to say the least. Respectfully, why are they on the sidelines while patriots of every race and religion are coming together and desperately struggling to save the Nation from marxist insurgents?

  • anonymousagent Caldwell, ID
    Aug. 24, 2017 11:54 a.m.

    I am glad church was quick to respond racism events. But at the same time, church needs to look within their establishment about racism. For example, if you look deeply church owned entities like BYU, LDS family services, Deseret Industries and Deseret Manufacturing how many minorities are in management positions????. To my knowledge only handful of them. More than 90% of management is white. Even though there are many qualified minorities are working above mentioned industries, but for them to get promoted is nil to nothing. As a church, they need to look into these in their own back yard and rectify these issues before its too late.

  • AT Elk River, MN
    Aug. 24, 2017 11:29 a.m.

    It is encouraging to have the DN publish an Op Ed acknowledging that the LDS doctrine and policy of denying black people the priesthood was both non-divine and supported by racist leaders (note: this racism was prominent among many/most US religious institutions - so, please don't interpret that statement as implying LDS leaders were any worse than other leaders). The Church's statement therefore, is probably necessary. However, does the Church now need to become engaged in full-time virtue signaling? Hopefully not. If a church needs to virtue signal to every cause du jour, perhaps that's an indication that church has strayed from what should be it's core focus.

  • mal murray, UT
    Aug. 24, 2017 10:40 a.m.

    great article and great comments. But the real issue is the failure of the media and republicans to denounce the use of violence by democrat affiliated terror groups like antifa.

    Many media are intentionally spreading the lie that it is acceptable to violently attack people exercising their First Amendment rights if their ideas are "socially unacceptable".

    All media must take this pledge:

    Any person who uses, or encourages the use of, bricks, bats, acid bombs, aids urine, feces or any other object to disrupt a lawfully permitted and assembled group of U.S. citizens seeking redress of grievances should be sent to prison as a dangerous criminal and civil rights violator.

    Aug. 24, 2017 9:20 a.m.

    The church's statements are fine and helpful but they would have been much more relevant 50 years ago. The MUCH bigger problem than racism (which everyone in mainstream society rejects) is free speech and freedom of religion and expression.
    When lightning strikes, watch out for snakes. The church is so fascinated with the bright flashes they have not commented on the real problems.

  • Lone Eagle Aurora, CO
    Aug. 24, 2017 8:38 a.m.

    "The Book of Mormon opens with racialized identities..." While this statement appears to be trues (the Lord cursed the Lamanites with a skin of blackness), all through the Book of Mormon, the Nephites considered the Lamanites to be their "brethren." This denotes not a racial divide, but a political or a cultural divide ("the traditions of their fathers were not correct").

    I grew up in a community that had little ethnic diversity and many of the sentiments of "white superiority" were present. I never understood it. It didn't sit well with me. So when June 1978 announcement was made, I thought "it's about time."

  • Green Chille Albuquerque, NM
    Aug. 21, 2017 9:49 a.m.

    The HuffingtonPost just ran back to back headlines that were extremely racist. Anyone want to comment on that?

    is it racist to have a BYU-Hawaii and accompanying Polynesian Cultural Center if we don't have a BYU-Africa (where the church is really growing) and an accompanying African Cultural Center? The latter makes a much bigger statement that we are all children of God than the former.

    Meanwhile, the alt-left communists are trying to destroy the first amendment and use violence to advance their political aims - Berkeley, Hamburg, Washington DC, Boston, Philadelphia, Portland and Seattle among others. President Benson was prophetic and it would be nice to see the Church issuing a statement on the accuracy of his prophecies.

  • Cougar_Trojan_Spurs_Fan San Diego, CA
    Aug. 21, 2017 9:21 a.m.

    re:eastcoastcoug - Danbury, CT
    Aug. 18, 2017 12:22 p.m.

    @3rd Try

    "First of all, the Confederacy WAS. No eraser can wipe it from existence." So was Nazi Germany. The Germans have learned how to erase it AND not memorialize its heroes.

    So if the Germans have done such a great job of "erasing" their Nazi past, how come any tourist who travels to Germany can visit any one of the POW/concentration camps where tens of thousands of people were slaughtered? If I am following your logic correctly, shouldn't the Germans have completely demolished those buildings instead of profiting off of them by charging admission?

  • worf McAllen, TX
    Aug. 20, 2017 8:43 p.m.

    * More than one group of people were involved with the riot.

    * Shouldn't we tear down the pyramids of Egypt, and European castles? They represent slavery.

    * People should be arrested for buying store products made in countries using slaves.

    Where do you draw the line?

  • Hutterite American Fork, UT
    Aug. 20, 2017 10:44 a.m.

    I've always had a problem with the concept of continuing revelation. When it comes to revelation, especially that which overturns or contradicts earlier revelation, how does that square?
    It's the work and word of the omniscient, omnipotent divine being, isn't it? Shouldn't they get it right the first time, and flesh out the entire concept from the get go?
    If god knew 5000 years ago where we needed to be today on race and bigotry, he should have stepped in and saved us a lot of trouble.

  • deseret pete robertson, Wy
    Aug. 20, 2017 8:16 a.m.

    Dear Local Fan -- In the beginning the article says ---it was an opinion series --- and the church has never said the reason for withholding the priesthood was because of opinions of the leaders..To assume such is to also assume you are privy to all of the inspiration the prophets receive that may or may not be published. If it was the Lord's will that the priesthood be extended to all worthy members at the time of the restoration He would have so directed it, and the prophets would have followed that direction despite their personal or political views or the Lord would have removed them from their office. I do not know the reason for the priesthood ban but I do know that the Lord is in charge and not the political or personal views of the leaders or the views of the world. The prophets would have willingly give the priesthood to all worthy males if the Lord would had so directed in 1830 or 1977. -----" Your ways are not my ways saith the Lord, for as the heaven are higher than the earth so are my ways higher than your ways "

  • John Pack Lambert of Michigan Ypsilanti, MI
    Aug. 19, 2017 5:41 p.m.

    The comparison of the priesthood restriction to the limiting of the oriesthood from those of African descent just does not work. One is a case of letting only a very few have it, the other case at keast initially letting the vast majirity have it and just a few not.

    I do not claim to know why the Lord allowed the priesthood restriction to exist but comparing it to the Old Testament situation does not work.

  • 1covey Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 19, 2017 2:59 p.m.

    The Brethren felt racism is continuing problem with some in the Church as is indicated in an article elsewhere in this online DesNews website. Other sins are still sins. As for some other topics addressed in this comment section, the Church has been following a learning curve since its restoration. The Lord reveals a principle, and it takes us time to more fully understand it. So, the Lord gives us more as we prepare ourselves to receive more. Occasionally, He gives a little nudge to speed things up.

  • Local Fan Aurora, CO
    Aug. 19, 2017 2:34 p.m.

    Dear deseret Pete,

    I can see where you're coming from -- and a revelation was required to overturn the ban on blacks holding the priesthood. But the Church's article on this makes it very clear that there was never a doctrinal reason for this ban -- rather, it was a reflection of the highly racist divisions in our country that have existed from the beginning because of America's practice of slavery and our slow rise out of that horrible morass. You might want to re-read the article -- which is modern revelation. I've read the Old Testament, the New Testament, the Doctrine and Covenants, and the Pearl of Great Price, and there is nothing in any of those books that justifies the ban on blacks holding the priesthood that existed for more than 100 years in our modern church. Here's a link to the article on the church website:

    https://www.lds.org/topics/ race-and-the-priesthood?lang=eng

  • UtesNTN Knoxville, TN
    Aug. 19, 2017 9:29 a.m.

    "The Book of Mormon opens with racialized identities, but its prophetic narrative pushes toward a beautiful climax in which those separations cease." Um yeah... I'd say it ceased! A whole civilization was destroyed! Evil conquered and utterly wiped out the "good guys". That is what you call a beautiful climax? Your idea of a "beautiful climax in which those separations cease" has a lot to be desired... IMO.

  • cjb Bountiful, UT
    Aug. 19, 2017 8:49 a.m.

    It all comes down to the golden rule. To the extent you don't love your neighboor as yourself and you don't treat them as you would be treated you are off the mark.

    While one own effort is required to become the type of person who reflexively lives the golden rule, this is not enough.

    We are told by God to pray for the love required to do this.

    If it we're easy, little personal growth would be required to become a loving person. God gives us opportunities to achieve this growth in part by putting different races of people on the earth, and more specifically in our own country. We are in a school with greater opportunity.

  • deseret pete robertson, Wy
    Aug. 19, 2017 7:25 a.m.

    local fan -- your assumption that the church with held the priesthood from blacks for the reason you stated are completely false. The Lord made that decision through the Prophet.This is not the only time the priesthood has been with held from people. You ought to read the Old Testament. The reasons for the Lord withholding the priesthood in our time has not been reveled to my knowledge. As the Prophet Joseph Smith said " What is wrong in one instance may be right in another instance " . As an example the Lord said " do not Kill " and in another instance he said to the Israelite's Go out and utterly destroy a group of people and their cattle and herds --- The difference --- God commanded it through a prophet. --- Polygamy is another example -- At times he has commanded polygamy to some of his people and revoked it at other times --- The difference --- God commanded it through a Prophet. As Amos 3:5 says " surely the Lord will do nothing except He reveal his secrets through his servant the Prophet" .For members of the church don't be mislead by what the prophets do or say pertaining to the church. He is following the revelations given to him. ----

  • Laura Bilington Maple Valley, WA
    Aug. 19, 2017 6:59 a.m.

    @mal, you list a number of things which could be used as weapons. [But "aids urine"??? Where did that allegation come from]

    But you didn't list guns. Why not? Are they less dangerous than bricks or bats?

  • Mom jeans man is gone Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 19, 2017 6:35 a.m.

    Some commenters live in a parallel universe. The war against northern agreesion was much more than about slavery. Uninformed continue to stay that way. Libs and lefties continue to promote bigotry and yet the press, media and even the DN allows that to happens under the guise of political correctness. A sad day for sure when truth is twisted and lies promoted.

  • Karen R. Houston, TX
    Aug. 19, 2017 6:29 a.m.

    I can't put much stock in gods that didn't think it necessary to enlighten us about racism and slavery until very recently. Also, from where I sit, it looks suspiciously like gods following culture, not the other way around.

    @ Vermonter

    Have enjoyed reading your thoughts.

    I keep waiting for the firm and absolute condemnation of the violence perpetrated from the left. Also the intolerance of free speech rights (even when the speech is odious). There is some, but it's tepid IMO.

    I think the reluctance of both sides to admit and call out "wrong" isn't because it isn't recognized, but because we've so demonized each other that we don't want to grant the other any legitimacy. In doing so, IMO, we do harm to our own integrity.

    Monuments: Since learning of the context within which most of them went up, I have a hard time giving the heritage argument any credence. They went up in defiance and/or to remind black people of their place. That IS the history and this can't be changed. What can be changed is whether or not this is celebrated.

  • dustman Gallup, NM
    Aug. 19, 2017 6:15 a.m.

    Though I'm happy the church clarified its statement, and I believe it is a reaffirmation of correct gospel doctrine, I'm interested to see if the church will change the monochromatic look of the church employee and church leadership to reflect this statement on the evils of white supremacy.

  • Lone Eagle Aurora, CO
    Aug. 18, 2017 8:58 p.m.

    And did the Church condemn black nationalists? They are there. They are every bit as racist as white nationalists or white supremacists. If the Church did not call out black nationalists, why not? Their first statement was apolitical (a call to end racism). The second (calling out white supremacists) was due solely because of the politics of the day.

  • NeilT Clearfield, UT
    Aug. 18, 2017 7:37 p.m.

    The majority of LDS church members live outside the United States and spanish is the majority language spoken by church members. Church demographics have changed. There is no place in the church for any form of racism and bigotry.

  • Local Fan Aurora, CO
    Aug. 18, 2017 4:58 p.m.

    I am 63 years old. I grew up in the church in California, and marched around for civil rights, but always had this truth hanging over me -- my faith denied the priesthood to blacks. It was awful sometimes to come up with an excuse for this -- there wasn't one -- and such a wonderful relief that the priesthood was finally given to all people, regardless of race or ethnicity in 1978. What a relief!!! Then, finally, the church posted its article admitting that some of the early church leaders had racist ideas (as did everyone else during that century), and that led to the prohibition of blacks holding the priesthood. What a relief again!!! Now, I'm seeing the church outreach deliberately to communities of color all over the world, to LGBTQ communities, to the disabled, to refugees -- and my heart swells when I realize that no person can stand in the way of the Lord's love for all his children. Hearts can change, attitudes can be swayed back to the side of good and right -- the Lord's side.

  • Vermonter Plymouth, MI
    Aug. 18, 2017 3:19 p.m.

    Haven't you heard? There is no such things as the "radical left" or "alt-left." There is only "liberal" and "left." Liberals and those on the left, and the Democratic Party are much more united and loyal to each other than at any time in my memory. Look at how quickly the Sanders people and Hillary's people kissed and made up. And this, with the Sanders people knowing the Democratic nomination was rigged (and entirely undemocratic) from the start.

  • HSTucker Holladay, UT
    Aug. 18, 2017 2:42 p.m.

    @Vin: Like you, I also wish our society had higher information literacy.

    I found these articles enlightening: by the BBC ("Antifa: Left-wing militants on the rise") and by the Atlantic ("The Rise of the Violent Left").

  • SLars Provo, UT
    Aug. 18, 2017 2:38 p.m.

    The Church never condoned the other groups there. The last statement was in response to accusations that the Church supported the Klan, which they denied.

  • a_voice_of_reason Woods Cross, UT
    Aug. 18, 2017 2:38 p.m.

    I'm confused by all the politics in here. The Church's statement was in no way political. It was a doctrinal clarification - thoughts of white supremacy or striving for a white supremacist culture is sinful. There was no political statement - just a clarification of doctrine as some had apparently misunderstood their first declaration of doctrine on the issue.

  • CaliCougar American Fork, UT
    Aug. 18, 2017 2:25 p.m.

    Boomerjeff - You make a good point. I thought the same thing.

    Vermonter - Thanks for your comment. I agree.

    My thoughts:
    1) If it helps to alleviate some people's emotions regarding these statues then leave their subsequent removal up to the individual states themselves. Keep the federal government out of all this.
    2) Don't remove any statues from the Capital building.
    3) Leave Gettysburg alone.
    4) Leave the National Mall alone.

    The good and the bad of our country's history is what it is. We can't erase the bad, but we can learn from it, as we can also learn from the good. Both existed, and will continue to exist.

  • RichardB Murray, UT
    Aug. 18, 2017 2:09 p.m.

    @marxist - Salt Lake City, UT

    Why did six states in the North have slavery?

    Our county has existed for over 200 years because the radical left and the radical right have canceled each other out. What happens if we remove the radical right, and allow the radical left to continue growing.

    My God hates all hate groups, he quite clearing pointed that out in his works.

  • marxist Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 18, 2017 2:02 p.m.

    @Third Try "Some activists have asserted that Henry Ford was the evil source of pollution and energy depletion, and are determined to destroy the Henry Ford Museum and Greenfield Village."

    Your silly example shows you do not want to deal with slavery and its accompanying racism and/or that you don't understand slavery at all.

  • Vermonter Plymouth, MI
    Aug. 18, 2017 1:57 p.m.

    I appreciate your response.

    I understand you are not trying to blot out all positive mention about people like Robert E. Lee from history books. But, some are. Chief among them are the modern media and the vast majority of public school and public university educators.

    But, virtual ignorance of history is perhaps the greatest problem facing the next generation of Americans. Most of them think that Lee was just a white dude that wanted to keep slavery alive in America. They could learn a lot by studying his life, learning to avoid his mistakes, and learning to emulate his best qualities. But, in 2017 America, 99% of Americans couldn't care less.

  • cool47 Saratoga Springs, UT
    Aug. 18, 2017 1:33 p.m.

    I was happy to hear such a powerful repudiation of white supremacy by the Church and found this article a well reasoned rendition of where we are or should be heading.

    Too bad most political leaders somehow can not find the courage to do the same. Sad indeed. Time to elect folks with courage who are not making politics a career but a service with an inherent responsibility to always doe the right thing.

  • Vin Harrisville, UT
    Aug. 18, 2017 1:32 p.m.

    It's kind of amazing to me how so many people live in an alternate reality that is populated with people who have purported to "rip pages out of the history books" and who are left-wing insurgents that parade around en masse threatening violence.

    I wish our society had a higher information literacy and people could more accurately discern the quality of the information they are consuming. We're paying a high price for ignorance.

  • marxist Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 18, 2017 1:17 p.m.

    @Vermonter "However, to wipe the memory of Robert E. Lee and others from the pages of American history would be a tragedy as well."

    That is certainly not my intention. As for slavery I recommend Robert Fogel's "Time on the Cross." It provides a nuanced view of that institution in the South, but he does establish it was almost entirely motivated by the economics of the plantation/slave system. It is not something to be venerated.

    Also, slavery and "free" wage labor had and have more in common than we would like to admit. Fogel makes this point as well.

  • Third try screen name Mapleton, UT
    Aug. 18, 2017 1:06 p.m.

    Let's try a less emotional hypothetical example.

    Fast forward 50 years. The Flux Capacitor engine has been perfected and it is now against the law to own a car with an internal combustion engine.

    Some activists have asserted that Henry Ford was the evil source of pollution and energy depletion, and are determined to destroy the Henry Ford Museum and Greenfield Village.

    Others are equally determined to preserve this history.

    Would you agree that there are "two sides" to this issue?

    We agree that using cars and bats and bricks and fire as weapons to make your point are completely unacceptable.

    Are there still two sides?

  • Vermonter Plymouth, MI
    Aug. 18, 2017 12:53 p.m.

    I appreciate your perspective.

    In essence you right. Slavery was the pretty much the only issue that led to the creation of the Confederacy.

    But, to say that every person, in any way whatsoever associated with the Confederacy forever has a permanent stain on their character is quite a different thing.

    The men and women associated with the Confederacy were not monolithic.

    Robert E. Lee is the best example of this. He did not believe the institution of slavery was good in any way. He refused to wear his gray uniform after war and refused to be buried in it. Lee pledged full allegiance to the United States after the war, and encouraged all former soldiers of his army to do the same. After the war, Lee exemplified everything Lincoln talked about in an effort the heal the nation.

    But, Lee's statue, to most Americans in 2017, represents defiance, the rebellion of the South, and the institution of slavery. I think Lee, himself, would advocate for removal of his statue from the public square, if it would help unify Americans.

    However, to wipe the memory of Robert E. Lee and others from the pages of American history would be a tragedy as well.

  • HSTucker Holladay, UT
    Aug. 18, 2017 12:30 p.m.

    @Third try: I look forward to clarification at conference, because the church's statements are likely to cause confusion. The media/entertainment/Democrat complex will choose to misinterpret the second statement as an endorsement of antifa, BLM, "the resistance," and other violent, anti-free-speech authoritarian movements.

    It is difficult to understand why the church would choose to embolden the left who will continue to tear at the fabric of western civilization that created the very conditions for the Gospel to be restored. As I said, I look forward to clarification.

  • mal murray, UT
    Aug. 18, 2017 12:29 p.m.

    I wish these gentleman could have included one simple sentence:

    A person who uses, or encourages the use of, bricks, bats, acid bombs, aids urine or any other object to disrupt a lawfully permitted and assembled group of U.S. citizens seeking redress of grievances (of whatever stripe) should be sent to prison as a dangerous criminal and civil rights violator.

  • eastcoastcoug Danbury, CT
    Aug. 18, 2017 12:22 p.m.

    @3rd Try

    "First of all, the Confederacy WAS. No eraser can wipe it from existence." So was Nazi Germany. The Germans have learned how to erase it AND not memorialize its heroes. Weirdly some Americans think that's not good. As a result, we are losing moral high ground to dictators in China and Iran of all places.

    "Second, it was not "ALL about slavery," as you suggest." It was about leadership (traitors), economics (built on slave labor), states rights (right to own another human) and self-determination (to own another human). "It was an answer to the irrepressible conflict." Yep - Good v. Evil and Evil lost.

    "The revisionists have done a number on us, and their process is nearly complete."

    I would say that massive revisionism is taking place on the Right: the altRight wants us to believe that both expansionist/chaos-causing Russia and now Nazi Germany are great ideologies and not to be fought against. To do so is to have 'Evil on all sides'. That any of us could fall for that is beyond crazy, but we're being asked to buy into that these days. Don't drink the Kool-aid.

    The Church is right - how sad that some choose politics over their Faith.

  • H. Bob Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 18, 2017 12:05 p.m.

    No one's erasing the Confederacy by removing monuments. We know it happened; there are whole libraries of books about it. Some of the best, like Catton's series or McPherson's "Battle Cry of Freedom," treat "both sides." But to say that the Civil War was about "leadership, economics, states rights and self-determination" is to try to obfuscate that Confederate leadership meant seceding from the Union, Confederate economics were founded on slave labor, Confederate states' rights were centered on the right to own other humans as cattle, and Confederate self-determination was to continue their system of leadership and economics on the backs of men and women stolen from their homes.
    By the way, most monuments to the Confederacy have their origins far from the actual events of the Civil War. The majority were erected in the 20s and 30s in the height of the Jim Crow era. Many more were erected just after the Brown v. Board of Education Supreme Court decision. They're not monuments to great men--they're billboards for the Klan.

  • Third try screen name Mapleton, UT
    Aug. 18, 2017 11:45 a.m.

    First of all, the Confederacy WAS. No eraser can wipe it from existence.

    Second, it was not "ALL about slavery," as you suggest. It was about leadership, economics, states rights and self-determination. It was an answer to the irrepressible conflict.

    The revisionists have done a number on us, and their process is nearly complete.

    Is Brigham Young on your list, as well?

  • Rubydo Provo, UT
    Aug. 18, 2017 11:42 a.m.

    Kinda took the church a while into the 70's after desegregation to treat people with darker skin color equally.

  • BoomerJeff Saint George, UT
    Aug. 18, 2017 11:39 a.m.

    The author says: "The Book of Mormon opens with racialized identities, but its prophetic narrative pushes toward a beautiful climax in which those separations cease." Huh? In the book I read, people eventually become wicked after Christ's visit, all the righteous are murdered and killed, and only the Lamanites remain living. And we are given a warning to not let the secret combinations rise above us or we are in for the same fate.

  • water rocket Magna, UT
    Aug. 18, 2017 11:18 a.m.

    There are things we need to be intolerant of, and there are things we not only should be tolerant of, but should learn to appreciate. For example, I will never be tolerant of rapists, nor am I particularly tolerant of violent people. On the other hand, I have neighbors who are not members of my religion or race, but they are fine people who have my friendship whenever they want it.

    I have also learned that violence only begets violence. Hate only begets hate. Intolerance only magnifies intolerance. Hitler proved the power of hate, a lesson we should all never forget.

  • marxist Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 18, 2017 11:17 a.m.

    @Third Try "Media and the left have manipulated institutions into endorsing the removal of Confederate historical and cultural images. "

    The Confederacy was ALL about black slavery. Those states left the union because they were afraid they would lose their very profitable slave system if they remained in the union. Why should we have monuments to slavery? Answer me.

  • Pa. Reader Harrisburg, PA
    Aug. 18, 2017 11:14 a.m.

    Beautifully written. This transcends political motives that seem to pollute most interactions today.
    Thanks to the authors for a strong message of hope and love.

  • Third try screen name Mapleton, UT
    Aug. 18, 2017 10:43 a.m.

    Media and the left have manipulated institutions into endorsing the removal of Confederate historical and cultural images. It is not enough to decry white supremacists and their violence. Trump did that.

    You must decry any person or group who would stand in the way of the removal of Confederate icons. Anyone who even delays their denouncement of of the "both sides" comment is suspect.

    By removing history we are acting out the 1984 scene, "Oceania has always been at war with Eurasia." Only a de facto endorsement of Antifa and Black Lives Matter will suffice.

    Of course, this is a social justice manipulation, and the LDS church has fallen for it. It is the responsible globalist position. This is not a time for heroics, or (as it turns out) silence.

    Hobby Lobby and Chick-fil-A have shown that being a peculiar people will not do. A successful global organization will follow the EU and UN charters on issues such as climate change, alternative marriage, open borders, feminism, abortion, resettlement and other social issues.

    If you want to teach ALL nations, keep in mind that there are two billion people in China and Islamic nations. This is no time to be "peculiar."

  • marxist Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 18, 2017 10:26 a.m.

    This is a stunningly clear and hopeful statement.