Lee criticizes Trump's remarks on Charlottesville; Hatch urges president to be careful with statements

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  • Green Chille Albuquerque, NM
    Aug. 21, 2017 9:44 a.m.

    Trump upheld his oath of office to defend the constitution. Disturbing to see supposedly conservative politicians side with violent alt-left Communist Antifa in attacking the first amendment.

    Communists currently have nuclear weapons pointed at us. It is evil to side with them.

  • Karen R. Houston, TX
    Aug. 19, 2017 4:52 p.m.

    @ patriot

    "Can anyone dig up the exact offical statement that Mike Lee made when Black Lives Matter chanted 'what do we want -- DEAD COPS -- when do we want them -- NOW!!'"

    Maybe Mr. Lee checked out Snopes first and realized he didn't need to issue a statement because BLM folks weren't the ones responsible for this.

  • patriot Cedar Hills, UT
    Aug. 18, 2017 3:48 p.m.

    Can anyone dig up the exact offical statement that Mike Lee made when Black Lives Matter chanted "what do we want -- DEAD COPS -- when do we want them -- NOW!!".

    Yes please share the official statement from our good PC Senator since I don't seem to find anything offical that he said. Perhaps then an offical statement from Lee after a group of GOP baseball players were shot down by some left wing inspired thug? Again - what is the official statement from the Senator? If there was an offical statement did he condemn the left wing press or the Democrat party leaders? It seems to be that Mr. Lee is becoming quite the political opportunist checking the political wind before making an "offical statement".

    FYI to Senator Lee: You would be more credible if you were consistent in condemning hate violence -- "do what is right let the consequence follow" as the LDS hymn goes...

  • one vote Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 18, 2017 8:43 a.m.

    Gee whiz Senator Hatch, you are on the wrong side of history and need to retire.

  • Roadside Philosopher Fayette, UT
    Aug. 17, 2017 3:19 p.m.

    Being a philosopher, my constant reminder is there "Are no Absolutes."

    I teach how to engage with Trolls online. I see little difference in RW trolls vs online Trolls. They do it with the idea of getting a reaction. To return violence and hate, in kind does nothing but feed that hostile reaction, so I believe it is wrong for Lee to say we need to shout down the haters with more hate. If they turned their back and laughed at their ignorance it would have been a much more effective deterrent than mirroring back their behavior. It also would have assisted law enforcement to engage the true offenders.

    We can't possibly call ourselves the good guys if we are doing exactly the same thing as the bad, just different targets.

    I thought I would never say this, but Trump is right. There is NEVER a story (except maybe the movies & cartoons) where any one side is all the way right and the other all the way bad.

    If the good guys truly wanted to defeat the bad guys... remove the audience, laugh and ignore. Stop giving them AIR time on the news, much like they did with the gangs. Let the police to their job and stop being targets for their hate.

  • Frank Montoya Jr Providence, UT
    Aug. 17, 2017 1:49 p.m.

    Trump excoriated Lindsey Graham on Twitter today because Graham rightly said Trump used 'moral equivalency' to justify his unwillingness to unconditionally condemn bigotry. Trump called it a false argument. Yet, judging from many of the so-called conservative posts in response to this story, false argument abounds in the rationales of Trump's continued attempts to impose his twisted perspective on this great nation. As the Charlottesville mayor said, the police did not stand down. As Mitch McConnell said, there are no good nazis. "Leftist" violence gets called out all the time in the media (google it).

    But that's beside the point. What these false arguments miss most of all is that the outrage of the majority of Americans--of all races, creeds, and political stripes--to events in Charlottesville is due simply to this: White supremacy, fascism (as embodied by Nazis), treason (as embodied by the Confederacy) are not American values. Defending them in any way, shape, or form is un-American. There are no moral equivalents. None.

    But don't take my word. Go to Arlington, instead, and count the white crosses. And then listen to what they have to say on the matter.

  • Marriage & Morality Advocate Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Aug. 17, 2017 12:02 p.m.

    The left and institutions over which the left's ideology and/or methods have enjoyed hegemony and influence (sometimes because of fear--read "PC") for many years such as the the news and entertainment media, the academy and law schools, and big business interests--as well as moderates and now even many conservatives--are criticizing (and some if it is over the top) President Trump for words delivered in his unique and open style about the very serious overall kerfuffle in "Charlottesville" where he called out "both sides." Many ordinary people like me who are not captive to the left's methods or ideology just don't see what the fuss over Trump's common sense statements is all about. Certainly white nationalism is racist and reprehensible and fittingly denounced as their racist ideologies pose a threat to truth, goodness, and civility. But in the context of current America they are a small and insular minority. On the other hand, the openly racist Antifa and similar groups are given a pass by the left and used as tools of the hegemonic left well on their way to "transforming" our country and culture to the destruction of our liberties. Thanks Mr. Trump for having our backs.

  • Daedalus, Stephen ARVADA, CO
    Aug. 17, 2017 11:41 a.m.

    Charlottesville, VA...Barcelona, Spain...

    Terrorists of a feather, flock together.

  • Utah Girl Chronicles Eagle Mountain, UT
    Aug. 17, 2017 9:24 a.m.

    @ prelax

    "Is the statue of Liberty next? "

    After Stephen Miller, Trump advisor, denounced the written inscription on the Statue of Liberty a couple weeks ago because it did not jibe with his immigration ideology, the answer would seem to be "yes".

    You were OK with Stephen Miller's comment though, right?

  • Esquire Springville, UT
    Aug. 17, 2017 8:34 a.m.

    Hatch wants it both ways. He, like Trump, need to go. Both are going to be on the wrong side of history.

  • Daedalus, Stephen ARVADA, CO
    Aug. 17, 2017 8:01 a.m.

    @common sense conservative: Yes, and thank you for calling out the recent usage of "it takes two to tango" as the intellectual short-cut white supremacists are using as a fig leaf in recent days.

    2 human beings are required to dance a tango.

    Replacing one human with a speeding car changes the "dance"entirely.

    The car-as-weapon tactic has been recently used by ISIS/Al-Qaeda in Europe for the same reason the alt-right introduced it to America this past weekend.

    It is simple to plan and execute, asymmetric in carnage and terror, and plausibly deniable by fellow adherents of fringe ideology.

    And it works.

    People who might otherwise want to protest the next rallies of white supremacists and anti-Antisemites will naturally think twice, and some will reasonably stay home. Those that show up will be watching every single car, and never be quite sure if/when this tactic will be used.

    The asymmetry is important: repugnant ideologies such as the white supremacy espoused by the alt-right or the radical religious extremism of ISIS cannot survive as ideas alone. They must tilt the playing field with terror and intimidation.

    Terrorist should and will lose.

    Every time.

  • IMAN Marlborough, MA
    Aug. 17, 2017 7:43 a.m.

    @Bluto - Sandy, UT Aug. 16, 2017 2:09 p.m. What you saw on the internet with regards to peaceful anti racist protestester with helemts shields and torches just proves my point of alt.right spin. The anit protesters were peacful and were attacked by the alt.right groups. That is the truth, there is no other side to this story, no gray area, no other facet, no room for debate, no misiterpretation, no violence on "many sides". Please for the sake of peace open your eyes,mind and heart to the truth.

  • ute alumni Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 17, 2017 7:12 a.m.

    All in for trump.
    Refreshing compared to the likes of barry hilliary Nancy Harry Maxine Barbara Elizabeth and chuckle. Oh th depth and breadth of liberals...... 71/2 years of trump!

  • Karen R. Houston, TX
    Aug. 17, 2017 6:53 a.m.

    "What's wrong with also pointing out the hatefeul violence of the left during Charlotte..."

    Those who are making this point don't seem to hear that they're implying that only liberals were among the counter-protesters. How do you know? Or is this really a tacit admission that you believe that a good conservative would never counter-protest white supremacists?

    It's possible to condemn all who sanction violence without creating a moral equivalence between odious and righteous ideas. This is what Trump and his apologists are failing to do. IMO, they're really saying, "BLM/Antifa is just as bad." Really. BLM and Antifa are against white supremacy and they're not for black supremacy. So even if they sanction violence (which BLM does not), their position is just as bad? Hardly.

    I condemn Antifa and call for them to stand down because IMO they're actually hurting the cause. But this in no way excuses white supremacists...or those who won't unequivocally condemn them.

  • worf McAllen, TX
    Aug. 17, 2017 6:23 a.m.

    The media needs to be careful of what it says more than Trump

  • SMcloud Sandy, UT
    Aug. 16, 2017 11:43 p.m.

    For someone who has no trouble calling people out for stupid little things, he sure took a long time to decry Neo-Nazi extremism.

    The president had a chance to unify the country and to call for peace and civility and he blew it.

  • Cheshire Cat Bronx, NY
    Aug. 16, 2017 11:33 p.m.

    Marriage & Morality Advocate - Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Aug. 16, 2017 11:58 a.m.

    "What's wrong with also pointing out the hatefeul violence of the left . . . "

    Alex Jones and Sean Hannity couldn't have said it better. Rather than remark on the violence brought to Charlottesville by the White Supremacists, Nazi's, and KKK, focus on a the defensive efforts of the anti-hate groups to stand up to intolerance and racism.

    The thought of neo-Nazi's and members of the KKK marching through our streets like the torch-carrying thugs they are, shouting racist and anti-Semitic slogans, is repugnant to the very core of American sensibilities. These are people who need to be fought and not allowed to metastasize further in our society.

    Much of your claim of "Leftist violence" is false. What you cite as political a political mindset is just wingnut propaganda. If you want to discuss the violence of people on the political Left, then develop your argument with realistic examples. You can't blame everything you don't like as "Leftist". Nazi's are not Leftist. The KKK is not Leftist. White Supremacists are not Leftist. They all want to "preserve" their version of what they want the world to be.

  • Common sense conservative Herriman, UT
    Aug. 16, 2017 11:28 p.m.

    It does not "take two to tango" when it's a car vs a pedestrian. It just takes one. The presidents teleprompter speech, though not his own words, was too little too late. And if there was any doubt as to his true feelings about the moral equivalence of Nazis and those opposing them, his off the cuff remarks the next day removed all doubt. It's not enough to shut down his Twitter. Can we turn off his mic too?

  • SLars Provo, UT
    Aug. 16, 2017 10:51 p.m.

    Black people who were never slaves are fighting white people who were never Nazi's over a Confederate statue erected by Democrats, because Democrats can't stand their own history anymore, and somehow it's Trumps fault.

  • Jim Chee Ka'anapali, HI
    Aug. 16, 2017 10:46 p.m.

    prelax - Murray, UT
    Aug. 16, 2017 7:40 p.m.

    "Our war memorials honor those of both sides. Tearing them down is disrespectful to American veterans on both sides. "

    Confederate soldiers were no longer Americans. They rejected their American citizenship when they took up arms against the Union. They were traitors trying to destroy the United States of America. We do not honor traitors. They and the government they served is a stain on our history. Their objective was the preservation of the institution of slavery and they wanted to extend it into the new territories acquired in the Mexican-American war.

    Perhaps you prefer a statue of Benedict Arnold in downtown Salt Lake City? He was an American military officer before he betrayed his nation and became a traitor. Maybe you would like a statue of Governor Lilburn Boggs of Missouri erected in St. Louis and perhaps SLC? He was a hero to many in his time?

    There are a whole list of people who thought they were engaged in some noble effort who worked to subvert this nation. Would you like to see us memorialize them as supporters of the Lost Cause want to memorialize the Confederacy? This all belongs in a museum, not the public square.

  • Tumbleweed Centerville, UT
    Aug. 16, 2017 10:28 p.m.

    President Trump is right about both sides bearing responsibility. It's a no brainer that it takes two to tango. Read the observations of the liberal reporters from the LA times. They saw those protesting the white supremacists assaulting supremacists and wrote about it. Their actions are right out of the Bill Ayers leftist play book. Of course they bear some responsibility in this. Our conservative representatives need to get some backbone and point this out about the left. Is President Trump the only one with enough backbone to stand up to the left-leaning media who is having a convulsion because they can't intimidate him into saying something he knows is not true?

  • jparry Provo, UT
    Aug. 16, 2017 10:22 p.m.

    At its core Nazism is a commitment to rid one's community of "undesirables" by violent means, including murder. The Nazis wanted to annihilate Jews completely; they wanted to murder by starvation 30 million slavs, but keep just enough to employ in slave labor.

    The KKK doesn't seem to have the same grand political designs, but they share the same core philosophy of using violent means, including murder, to eliminate or subordinate other races/ethnicities. Their commitment to slavery is, well, not hidden or subtle.

    In other words, both groups pursue fundamentally violent, destructive purposes that are at odds to the rights associated with "life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness."

    Antifa emerged in Germany in 1932 in response to the threat Nazism posed to society and the nation's well being, and re-emerged in the 1980s for roughly the same purpose. They arose from an impulse to protect society from those who exist to hurt and destroy. However, when they imitate the violent methods and ends used by Nazis, KKK, and other similar-minded groups, they become like the very groups they oppose.

    But in terms of what they ultimately want, there's a big difference between them.

  • Daedalus, Stephen ARVADA, CO
    Aug. 16, 2017 8:00 p.m.

    @Yuge Opportunity: "...That's all Trump is trying to say here..."


    Trump was not trying to say anything other than the words he successfully said.

    Because Trump was speaking English there is also not a need for a translation.

    But these self-serving paraphrases provide useful insights.

    A sort of inverse Rorschach.

    But instead of describing what one sees in the random shape of the ink-blot, we are hearing what people are seeing in the white space around it.

    Most of us heard what Trump said fine, and understand completely what he meant.

  • prelax Murray, UT
    Aug. 16, 2017 7:40 p.m.

    Mia was smart enough to figure it out, and be inclusive of both groups. Lee not so much, but he never approved of Trump.

    Is the statue of Liberty next?

    Our war memorials honor those of both sides. Tearing them down is disrespectful to American veterans on both sides. It seems like the press is trying to turn the discussion away from discussing the destruction of our history.

  • Sanefan Wellsville, UT
    Aug. 16, 2017 7:15 p.m.

    I have never agreed with Marxist, until now. Yes, we are very likely in the midst of a fascist take overrun this Country. I dis agree with his premise about the cause. There has to be an event that aligns both groups that display racist behavior. In this country it is represented by the alt left and alt right. Let us not forget the shooting of Republican US Senators by a alt left fanatic. There were those on the left that said he should have, "killed them all." These are all examples of racist/fascist behavior and time will come where the sane and rational folk will wonder how er got here.

  • Frozen Fractals Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 16, 2017 7:12 p.m.

    @Yuge Opportunity Here
    "To say that everyone at that rally who wanted the confederate statues to remain is evil, well, that's ...prejudice."

    Decent people who want the statues to remain wouldn't have gone or would have been quickly embarrassed at the rhetoric. I don't know what portion of the crowd that would be but I can't imagine it'd be high.

  • There You Go Again St George, UT
    Aug. 16, 2017 6:45 p.m.

    Trump has said he could shoot an innocent person in the face in downtown New York...

    His approval ratings would go up.

    I don't think Lee or Hatch's comments have any affect on Trump...whatsoever.

  • Daedalus, Stephen ARVADA, CO
    Aug. 16, 2017 6:22 p.m.

    @RichardB: "I've lost more faith in the media than I have lost in Trump."


    I've lost more faith in Utah than I have in Virginia.


  • Frozen Fractals Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 16, 2017 6:18 p.m.

    @Yuge Opportunity Here
    "To say that everyone at that rally who wanted the confederate statues to remain is evil, well, that's ...prejudice."

    Not everyone who wants the confederate statues to remain is evil. Here's the thing though. The rhetoric/actions from the people who attended that rally (the Vox video is quite telling) is so heinous, so disgusting, so filled with absolute loathing of black people, gay people, Jews... that decent civilized people who support the statues would have a hard time being comfortable being with the group of them. So there's really only three types of people in that alt-right crowd:
    1. deplorable people (the racists, sexists, anti-semites, etc chanting Nazi slogans and whatnot)
    2. people who don't subscribe to that hateful stuff (or at least not all of it, maybe they're racist but not anti-Semitic or whatever) but are okay enough with it to show up anyway with that crowd
    3. people who don't subscribe to that hateful stuff (or at least not all) and are there but probably kinda regretting being mixed in with those other people.

    As it gets more extreme the latter categories get smaller in the crowd.

  • Bored to the point of THIS! Ogden, UT
    Aug. 16, 2017 6:12 p.m.

    Again, I'm amazed at the open and covert defenses of President Trump and his comments.

    Closet racism is alive an well in our society. It's as dangerous as open racism. It also makes me wonder about the true level of institutional racists who are being created in secret in our society.

    Anyone and everyone should be offended by Trump's comments. If you're not offended, you might want to rethink who you've become. It really is that simple. This is not a democrat or republican issue. This is not even black verses white. Party and race are excuses for the hate. Hate is the problem.

  • DonO Draper, UT
    Aug. 16, 2017 6:01 p.m.

    Lee calls Trump what he is. Hatch urges Trump to "be careful"?? Good, strong statement from Lee. More pablum from Hatch.

  • RichardB Murray, UT
    Aug. 16, 2017 5:01 p.m.

    I've lost more faith in the media than I have lost in Trump.

  • Yuge Opportunity Here Mapleton, UT
    Aug. 16, 2017 4:52 p.m.

    Does Donald Trump endorse the KKK and Nazis?
    Does he condone running down people you disagree with?

    To read this feeding frenzy you would think the answer to both those questions above is yes.

    Is it just possible that he is saying that good people have legitimate reasons not to tear down symbols of southern heritage? Is there room for people to understand that agitators who go out of their way to do a counter-protest are taking a risk?

    I'm not saying this woman deserved to die. I'm not saying the driver had a right to hit her.

    To say that everyone at that rally who wanted the confederate statues to remain is evil, well, that's ...prejudice.

    That's all Trump is trying to say here.

  • EurekaMineRat American Fork, UT
    Aug. 16, 2017 4:37 p.m.

    I don't get the 1st amendment arguments. Driving a car into a crowd of people is not protected speech.

  • Terry Sandy, UT
    Aug. 16, 2017 4:33 p.m.

    Lets look at the facts, that was not a white supremist march or protest. It was a large group of citizens that were extremely upset at their city council for selling an important historical statue of one of their great historical figures. The majority of those people were ordinary citizens, unfortunately some that showed up were white supremists. All those people had a legal permit from the city to be there to protest the removal of an important piece of their history. #2, the anti protestor leftists that showed up did not have a permit to gather there in large numbers, they were there illegally. #3, many of the leftist anti protestors that were illegally gathering there showed up in heavy protection suits, with shields and bats/clubs with no other purpose but to attack/assault anyone that showed up in support of the statue. Ample video and accounts show the heavily armed liberal terrorists instigated the attacks and did grave harm on many ordinary citizens and white nationalists alike. Would there have been a conflict had they not showed up and just let those people legally voice their free speech opinion on a valid historical debate? BOTH SIDES Take Accountability!

    Aug. 16, 2017 4:31 p.m.

    Trump specifically called out KKK, White Supremacists, and other hateful groups. It sounds like Lee and Trump are on the same page unless Lee was listening to reports about what Trump said rather than listening to Trump himself.
    Senator Lee--please tell us your opinion about Antifa. I am waiting to hear....and vote for the Senator who most closely shares my views of the Constitution and the Rule of Law.

  • marxist Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 16, 2017 3:49 p.m.

    @Michael, TN "Then this anti-fascist (which in actuality is fascist,) group, which admits to using violence to accomplish its means comes about, as well as does the equally racist Black Lives Matter, and NAACP groups, and everybody starts losing their minds. "

    You raise an interesting point. Fascism has many origins, but its behavior is definable. We need to know what we mean when we say "fascist" or "fascism." There is nowhere enough room here to describe fascism, but it can be described. I recommend Karl Polanyi's "The Great Transformation" for a description of fascism and its defining behaviors.

    I believe we are in the midst of a fascist takeover of the United States. You may disagree, but I encourage you to have a look at Polanyi.

  • Jim Cobabe Provo, UT
    Aug. 16, 2017 3:25 p.m.

    I am seriously disappointed in Mr Lee. I believe something is really wrong when the President is criticized for condemning mob violence. I thought we could trust that Lee was not captive within the strait jacket of partisan posturing. This could have been written by Mr Schumer.

    "Trump seemed to undo what he said the day before." Actually he did not, but this is the obligatory spin from a hostile media. I expect such derogation from the News Hour, but hope that Deseret News can occasionally actually manage to depart from the standard hype, and say something different from everyone else.

    I would really appreciate some advocacy for kindness and charity. What I read here just seems to be contributing to the anger and hatred, for which both sides obviously share the blame.

  • jsf Centerville, UT
    Aug. 16, 2017 3:08 p.m.

    Antifa members assaulted a black conservative wearing the wrong hat while he was gowing to attend the Heyer memorial.

    Baseball bats and shields were the attire as they grouped out side of the memorial for Heyer. Yes they are peaceful and not aggressive.

    Members of the Workers World Party were the ones inciting a riot in Durham NC which led to the destruction of property. Yes they are peaceful and not aggressive.

    A staunch democrat shot a trump supporter in Pennsylvania, a staunch democrat shot a Republican congressman and two capital police officers.

    Liberals will say these are the acts of individuals and can not be heaped on the democrat liberals, then a stupid individual drives his car into peaceful demonstrators, and liberals proclaim every Republican from Trump on down are supporters.

    Liberals are hypocrites not to acknowledge their own culpability. As Trump honestly said their is enough hate on both sides.

  • JBs Logan, UT
    Aug. 16, 2017 2:50 p.m.

    If Senator Lee truly condemned what Mr. Trump said, he should have said so sooner. I'm glad he finally said something, but I question the timing.

    As for Trump, he meant what he said the first time when he blamed both sides. He had to give his speech on Monday, reportedly written by a junior staffer, to try to salvage something. But Tuesday, the Real Trump was revealed. When he tweets, and also when he speaks without a teleprompter (goes rogue), he means what he says. So I believe his words from yesterday, and his anger.

    I hope our Utah delegation will continue to speak out against hate and violence, and do so forcefully so there is no question where each stands. Kudos Senator Hatch.

  • DarthMaul Vernal, UT
    Aug. 16, 2017 2:45 p.m.

    I don't think the POTUS is a racist but one who is just way too impulsive to verbally lash out and has no common sense.

  • clearthink Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 16, 2017 2:37 p.m.

    When we disagree with speech, we can respond in three ways:

    1) ignore it
    2) speak against it
    3) take bats and clubs against those we disagree with.

    The media is condoning #3.

    President Trump seems to be the only one who is condemning both the hateful speech (which is constitutionally protected anyway) and those who disagreed with the speech by violent means.

    Antifa stands for anti-First Amendment. Now Mike Lee seems to add to the chorus. Is our society now rejecting the concept expressed by Voltaire? "I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it."

  • JoeCapitalist2 Orem, UT
    Aug. 16, 2017 2:37 p.m.

    Frozen Fractals: "The other side? They hate racists."

    The problem is that the 'other side' has branded everyone who does not believe in their far-left activist ideology as racist. So in other words, they hate every Republican, conservative, or even moderates who won't get behind their radical causes.

    If you had anything bad to say about the Obama administration during the past 8 years, you were a racist. If you don't want open borders so that millions of illegal aliens would come pouring into our country, you are a racist. If you want to limit the number of radical Muslims who want to implement Sharia Law here in America from coming, then you are racist. If you think that all lives matter and not just black ones, then you are racist.

  • Open Minded Mormon Everett, 00
    Aug. 16, 2017 2:35 p.m.

    The Nazis killed 12 million in the holocaust.

    Jews [religion]
    illegal immigrants [gypsies]
    the Media [Lugenpresse - german for 'lying press' or FAKE news]
    poor and homeless
    terminally sick and ill

    Calls for wars,
    Germany First

    Donald Trump is just revealing true self...

  • Vanceone Provo, UT
    Aug. 16, 2017 2:35 p.m.

    I wonder: When David Duke endorsed Obama and said he would vote for him in 2008 and praised him, where was the outcry from leftists demanding immediate recanting?

    Silence from the left. Total and complete hypocrites.

    To answer the question: I don't endorse the Nazi's. I do, however, endorse their right to march and speak freely. That is what is called "Freedom of speech." It's too bad the left has decided they don't support that anymore.

    Funny how the Nazi party is so bad, but the antifa types waving their hammer and sickles and praising Stalin is completely 100% a-ok to all of the leftists here. After all, Stalin killed far more people than Hitler dreamed of, but that's ok, since it was the left doing the killing.

    Bob A. Bohey needs to check his facts, as he is 100% wrong. Only one group had a permit, and it wasn't the club carrying flame throwing antifa leftist violent agitators that he is defending.

    Next week when antifa murders a few dozen white people, think we'll have all this outcry from the left? Of course not-- we all know that. That story would be silenced ruthlessly. Just like leftist Clayton's cold blooded murder of a Republican last week .

  • Make Us Free Cedar Hills, UT
    Aug. 16, 2017 2:32 p.m.

    Rep. Lee and Senator Hatch are blindly missing the point. "You can stand up against the sickening behavior and false rhetoric of Neo Nazis and White Supremacists (totaling far less than 1% of our population) WITHOUT GETTING VIOLENT" (on either side). Trumps original statement stood up against Hate and Violence and to bring people together which is a clear indication he is standing up against "Neo Nazis and White Supremacists"! Unless the brain dead among us actually think "Neo Nazis and White Supremacists are a Love Group". If former President Obama would have said the exact words Trump chose in such situation, he would have been praised over and over and over and over again by the Liberal News Media. Since it is Trump the Liberals want to degrade his very sound and clear reaction to it "in condemning Violence, Hate and to bring people back together again as one"! So Lee and Hatch, you just profoundly joined the ranks of the brain dead in making Violence okay "as long as you are reacting as a Violent, Hate Mongering and Brain Dead Liberal"! REMEMBER FREEDOM OF SPEECH IN OUR CONSTITUTION, even when viewing it from groups that are absolutely sickening!

  • Sanefan Wellsville, UT
    Aug. 16, 2017 2:28 p.m.

    Third Screen,
    I tried to post the same argument last night ands 'denied.' quess it depends on who is moderating. It was "off topic.' Now, I detest the skin head/white supremacist/neo-nazi hate groups. But once we begin to take one groups First Amendment right away, we start down a very slippery slope. Who's next and who decides? The alt left is just as hateful and bigoted as the alt right. As the saying goes. "it takes 2 to make a fight." Is it wrong to call out both evils or politically expedient to just call out one. Because if that is were we are headed, things will get very nasty and your 1ST Amendment rights might be in trouble; and one day we might be saying, "how did this happen."

  • FT salt lake city, UT
    Aug. 16, 2017 2:16 p.m.

    Why is it Trump can tweet moments after a terrorist attack placing blame but says he needs more time and facts before having a position on the violence that occurred at a White Supremacist rally?

  • Furry1993 Ogden, UT
    Aug. 16, 2017 2:13 p.m.

    @patriot - Aug. 16, 2017 11:28 a.m.

    Trump voters love what the president said.


    And in doing so indicate that they support someone who celebrates repugnant ideas and positions -- white supremacy, Nazism, anti-Semitism, misogyny, etc., etc., etc. -- who advocate and use excessive violence and who act as domestic terrorists. Good, decent, honorable and patriotic people repudiate those positions and repudiate him. Even the LDS Church repudiates his comments. Sad that you don't do what is right, and join the good, decent, honorable and patriotic people repudiate those positions and repudiate him.

  • Michael52176 Ooltewah, TN
    Aug. 16, 2017 2:09 p.m.

    Interestingly enough, the KKK, etc. have been doing this for years, and nobody cared enough to give them attention. Certainly not enough to tear down statues and attempt to white wash our history. Yes, it was then and is still morally wrong. Then this anti-fascist (which in actuality is fascist,) group, which admits to using violence to accomplish its means comes about, as well as does the equally racist Black Lives Matter, and NAACP groups, and everybody starts losing their minds. While repugnant, the white nationalists or whatever they are had the proper permits and the Constitutional right to protest. (See 1st Amendment of the United States Constitution). The fascists DID NOT have permits or the right to protest in protest to the protest. If you watch the whole video, as President Trump points out, the anti-protesters actually started the violence. So, yes THEY WERE WRONG. Shame on you Mike Lee, and all the rest of you so-called Conservatives. Liberals, I have nothing nice to say, so I won't say anything at all. https://philvalentineblog.blogspot.com/

  • Bluto Sandy, UT
    Aug. 16, 2017 2:09 p.m.

    @Bobby Bohey

    This is Sociology 1010

    you said:
    "Nazi protesters did not have a permit. They also indisputably DID NOT have helmets, clubs, shields and flame throwers. That is an out right fabrication generated by the alt. right and perpetuated by those of apparently limited critical thinking abilities."

    Critical thinking also includes doing your research.
    Nice try.

    A simple Google internet search will substantiate my claim of a flame thrower (it's all over the internet) and weapons displayed by those opposing the Nazi's, i.e. B.L.M. antifas (remember Cal-Berkley?) and a group called the Redneck Revolt.

    As for Permits to March.... It is a fact that the Neo Nazi's et al. did indeed apply for and receive a permit to march. (1st Amendment).

    The opposing groups did not have a permit.

    Even as much as we may abhor their right to march... The U.S Constitution guarantees this to all.

    Neither of these groups had good intentions. But ignoring the fact that it takes two to tango is naÏve. And law enforcement dropped the ball, big time.

    Start with the truth and then we can improve. Not until.

    Facts are stubborn things.
    Truth will out.

  • Henry Drummond San Jose, CA
    Aug. 16, 2017 1:54 p.m.

    Its very disturbing that Trump expressed the same sentiments that Senator Lee wrote - and then felt the need to take them back.

  • Craig Clark Boulder, CO
    Aug. 16, 2017 1:42 p.m.

    Trump’s grip on the Presidency may be slipping away. Republicans are not quite there in considering that Mike Pence may be the better man, not only for the GOP’s image, but for its legislative agenda as well. At the moment, Trump is not helping his own cause and may not see the road hazards ahead until it’s too late.

  • BobbyPaluga Austin, TX
    Aug. 16, 2017 1:38 p.m.

    Lee would stand on his head while twirling a full set of dinnerware to get media attention. Sen. Lee give us a chance to catch our breath after your last bit of drama on the ObamaCare redo. Goodness he even looks like Sen Joe McCarthy. It seems as if the presence of Black Lives Matter making war against the Fake Nazi's has been overlooked by so many. Do we need a constant reminder of the 5 Dallas Police Officers killed by the organization? Why are we avoiding any criticism of this group?
    I am strongly in favor of banning Nazi symbols. For anyone to carry or wear such images is being an American Traitor. We lost 500,000 men fighting this, that should mean something. To have Veterans families seeing this imagery is heartbreaking.

  • cthulhu_fhtagn Seattle, WA
    Aug. 16, 2017 1:27 p.m.

    A pattern is starting to emerge:

    Someone openly condemns the KKK/Neo-Nazi's/white supremacists, and a whoooooole lot of DN commenters get defensive and/or defelctive. Hmm...

  • UtahBlueDevil Durham, NC
    Aug. 16, 2017 1:08 p.m.

    It's good to see partisanship has it loyalties, and certain lines know no party. Well done Sen. Lee.

  • Bob A. Bohey Marlborough, MA
    Aug. 16, 2017 1:07 p.m.

    Bluto - Sandy, UT wrote: And that is just what the alt left did on Saturday, Senator Lee.
    Boy Howdy, they sure did. They took an offensive posture, without a "Permit to March", with helmets, clubs, shields and flame throwers. The only fact in your staement is the fact that the anti conservative,republican, white nationalist, KKK, Nazi protesters did not have a permit. They also indisputably DID NOT have helmets, clubs, shields and flame throwers. That is an out right fabrication generated by the alt.right and perpetuated by those of apparently limited critical thinking abilities.

  • silo Sandy, UT
    Aug. 16, 2017 1:00 p.m.

    "Trump voters love what the president said."

    More accurately stated, SOME Trump voters love what the president said. As shown by recent statements from numerous Republican legislators, there are many Trump voters who detest his comments.

    Based on your exaggerated comment, you love what he said.

    Here's some others that 'love what Trump said'

    David Duke (prominent white nationalist/white supremacist, former KKK grand wizard)
    Richard Spencer (prominent white nationalist/white supremacist)
    Jack Posobiec (prominent white nationalist/white supremacist)
    Andrew Anglin (founder of the daily stormer white supremacy website)

    Honorable company indeed.

  • Utah Girl Chronicles Eagle Mountain, UT
    Aug. 16, 2017 12:55 p.m.

    Saying nothing must have finally become impossible for Lee.

    Bishop and Stewart must still be in a rocket ship several galaxies away.

  • UtahTroutStalker Draper, UT
    Aug. 16, 2017 12:55 p.m.

    First, it's ok to condemn Neo-nazis, and white supremacy groups, without pointing the finger at others.

    2nd - no one is trying to defend Antifa members who acted violently - ever.

    3rd - It was a member of a White Supremacy group that ran over and killed a woman. That is the current news here.

    4th - patriot - Cedar Hills, UT
    Aug. 16, 2017 11:28 a.m.

    Trump voters love what the president said. As for the rest of the political spectrum -- I couldn't care less.

    Thank you for finally outing yourself

  • omsdave Visalia, CA
    Aug. 16, 2017 12:53 p.m.

    So a few ( less than 2000) angry goons get out of their basement to go to a rally and are met by other masked angry goons looking for a fight. The fringe doesn't represent either party but everyone is falling all over themselves acting like this is the end of the world. The media is hyping up this big nothingburger and unfortunately Lee is eating it up. The President was Presidential and courageous to call out everyone who did wrong. Calling out both groups for bad behavior doesn't making him evil or wrong any more than calling out 2 feuding countries that are both in the wrong.

  • patriot Cedar Hills, UT
    Aug. 16, 2017 12:50 p.m.

    Mike Lee and Orin Hatch FAILED to pass a new health care bill thus leaving millions suffering with Obamacare...and then they went on their August vacation. Just saying....

    We complain about Hatch but I think Lee is wearing thin with me too where he "stains at gnats and swallows camels".... biblically speaking by comparison.

  • Hutterite American Fork, UT
    Aug. 16, 2017 12:42 p.m.

    What are you going to really do about it, Senator?
    Nothing. Same as after the 'access hollywood' item.
    Condemn his actions today, but you'll still be standing by him tomorrow. And you are going to be known by the company you keep.

  • silo Sandy, UT
    Aug. 16, 2017 12:41 p.m.


    "What's the difference between ISIS and the Democrat party?"

    Nothing like redlining the hyperbole meter. If you've gotten to the point where you're marginalizing ISIS and exaggerating Democrats, perhaps the problem is neither ISIS nor Democrats, and a bit of introspection is in order?

  • evansrichdm West Jordan, UT
    Aug. 16, 2017 12:39 p.m.

    If there is any thing to be upset about it is the Mayor of the city. Why tell the police to stand down when the counter protest started. The Mayor has blood on his hands too. Would not surprise me if this is what he wanted to happen so as to take down Trump.

    I for one am sick of both side on this race issue. (thus I agree with Trump)

    We all bleed red and that is the color that we will see more of if people cannot get past the history of slavery or thinking they are somehow better then others.

    What has really upset me is if I meet a human from a different ethic background there is now a wall between us because how do I know if they are thinking I am racist for being born white or they think I am some how "privileged" and thus they hate me for being white. It is sad and is angering me how both side are upping the violence and just dividing us more as a nation.

  • Third try screen name Mapleton, UT
    Aug. 16, 2017 12:32 p.m.

    Think about it this way. Groups were advocating the removal of Brigham Young statues. They had discovered historical documents that "proved" he was exclusionary and created a discriminatory culture in the LDS Church that lasted for over 100 years.

    This movement was gaining power and demanding that BYU change its name and denounce Young. The Young statue in downtown Salt Lake and at This is the Place were specifically targeted for removal.

    And let's suppose that other people decided to protest this dismantling of our heritage. Their point was that Brigham Young was much more than just one issue.

    Would there be "two sides" to such a protest?

  • Ralph Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 16, 2017 12:31 p.m.

    Gosh, why does Trump encourage his white-supremacist supporters so much?

    Question to Trump supporters: Would you support anyone at all, no matter who, if only they denounce liberals and Democrats? Who would be someone (historical figures included) too far right-wing that you would *not support* if the only other alternative was Hillary? Just curious.

  • JohnnyClutch Pleasant Grove, UT
    Aug. 16, 2017 12:28 p.m.

    Lee has GOT TO GO. What a clown. The fascist Antifas / BLM have no blame? There's a video out there that shows the guy's car getting hit just before he takes off. Maybe his motives weren't evil? For sure, the LION SHARE of the violence has emanated from the radical alt-left.

  • Prometheus Platypus Orem, UT
    Aug. 16, 2017 12:24 p.m.

    Rubydo -said: "So every politician, person and church must genuflect every time something like this comes up now?"

    Good Americans are going to continue to comment on the horrible president the GOP supports, because they want the rest of the world and the nation to know his behavior does not represent All Americans.

    The Church had to come out with several statements, because certain members made it known that they believe the KKK and white nationalists were supported by the LDS Church, the LDS church to their credit didn't mince words, like the poor actor we now have as president.

  • Craig Clark Boulder, CO
    Aug. 16, 2017 12:23 p.m.

    The GOP is starting to react positively, an encouraging sign. Former Presidents HW Bush and his son GW Bush issued a joint statement condemning racist violence. They did NOT draw moral equivalency between white supremacists and protestors as Trump meanly did and continues to do. They quoted Jefferson’s Declaration of Independence phrase “all men are created equal.”

    It’s timely and hopeful, but still an embarrassing spectacle for America when two former Presidents feel compelled to school the sitting President in what he neglected to learn back in grade school.

  • Mycroft , NY
    Aug. 16, 2017 12:21 p.m.

    I praise Sen. Lee for the clarity, the moral compass, and the backbone of his statement -- in contrast to other congressional Republicans (such as Mitch McConnell) who equivocate by not directly calling out Trump on this. Trump claims moral equivalency between racist hate groups, and those who oppose them -- and between the founders of our Republic, and the confederate leaders who aimed to destroy that Republic in order to perpetuate race-based slavery. It's hard to say whether Trump does this to politically pander to the racists among his base, or is driven by his own personal racial animus. I suspect it's both. I find it un-Presidential, un-American, morally repellant, divisive, destructive, and just plain horrifying. Thank you, Sen. Lee. This is what we need.

  • Frozen Fractals Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 16, 2017 12:21 p.m.

    "The left is peddling a flat out lie that the violence was only one sided in Charlottesville."

    I'm quite content to say that there were leftie anti-fascists who were looking for a fight, but you don't seem to want to note that the white supremacists were looking for a fight too. There's a tough to watch (because of the horrific things it shows) 22 minute Vice News documentary about Charlottesville and it's quite clear that one side was fueled by an ideology of hate from chanting out homophobic slurs to racial slurs, to criticizing Trump, so much anti-semitism... it's just a steaming pile of hate. The other side? They hate racists.

    @Marriage and Morality advocate
    "What's wrong with also pointing out the hatefeul violence of the left during Charlotte-- "

    Because just making a statement against violence and leaving it at that ignores the fundamentally racist, anti-Semitic, homophobic, actual nazi slogan chanting underpinnings of the white nationalist movement. If nobody threw a single punch, the actions of the pro-statue side would be worthy of tons of condemnation because of their own message.

  • Bluto Sandy, UT
    Aug. 16, 2017 12:19 p.m.

    Lee said:
    "Racists may have a constitutional right to express their repugnant ideas. But the rest of us have a duty to affirm and defend the values"...

    And that is just what the alt left did on Saturday, Senator Lee.
    Boy Howdy, they sure did.

    They took an offensive posture, without a "Permit to March", with helmets, clubs, shields and flame throwers.

    Is that how to affirm and defend our values Senator?

    Did you just endorse vigilantism?

    The leftists fired the first salvo by simply showing up without a permit.
    The Police failed in their duty to keep the parties apart.
    SOP...Standard operating procedure.

    I don't remember a counter offensive in Dallas when the Black Lives Matter marched with a permit?

    I do remember a strong police force enforcing their right to march.

    And we all remember how a BLM advocate thanked them for their service, by mowing down 6 Police Officers in cold blood.

    You, as an attorney, should be more judicious in assessing this situation, Senator.
    Two repugnant sides tangled on Saturday and two sides were wrong and at fault.

    Politicians pandering for votes.

  • marxist Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 16, 2017 12:17 p.m.

    @Vanceone "The left is peddling a flat out lie that the violence was only one sided in Charlottesville. BLM, IWW, and a whole long list of leftist hate groups deliberately came to start a fight. "

    I am familiar with some of these groups, and I can't speak for all, but I can tell you with regard to the IWW you are entirely mistaken.

    So, tell me Vanceone, do you endorse people strutting around with Nazi symbols and arms outstretched in Nazi salutes? Do you endorse gunning down an innocent woman with a car? I guess you think she was violent? Answer the question please.

  • Prometheus Platypus Orem, UT
    Aug. 16, 2017 12:16 p.m.

    patriot -said: "Trump voters love what the president said."

    Your right, David Duke thanked him personally.

    As for me and my family, we will never side with nazis and racists, it's morally repugnant to even defend people who think so backwards.

    Lee and Hatch your disgust with the President would mean more if didn't go back to work and continue to ignore his petulant childish behavior.

  • Bob A. Bohey Marlborough, MA
    Aug. 16, 2017 12:15 p.m.

    @patriot - Cedar Hills, UT Aug. 16, 2017 11:28 a.m Trump is wrong and anyone who agrees with him is wrong, period end of story. There is no gray area, no room for debate, no misinterpretation, no other facet to consider. A six year old knows this intuitively. Trump personifies the ugliest attributes of the human condition. For one to agree with him merely confirms to the rest of the world the type of individual one is. The type that no one wants in and has no business being in, any community in America.

  • imsmarterthanyou Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 16, 2017 12:15 p.m.

    Ok, just to balance things out. I like Trump! I despise the liberal/democrat agenda and I will vote for Trump Again and so will most people in our fine state!
    I applaud Mike Lee for having the guts to publicly state the absolute fact that there was equal wrong doing on the side of the white haters. Thank you Mr. Lee, who also will be getting my vote!

    Aug. 16, 2017 12:04 p.m.

    The "there was violence on both sides" argument is separate from whether the President of the United States should unequivocally denounce and condemn racism and racist groups. David Duke said that he supports President Trump because he (Trump) promised to "take the country back." That absolutely requires a swift, unambiguous renunciation, and the President couldn't be bothered to make and maintain one.

    Violence used to silence speech is obviously unacceptable, and the antifa are criminally wrong when they fight racists, *and* they do damage to their cause at the same time. But to start and stop by condemning violence only gives the racist comfort in their vile beliefs.

  • mcclark Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 16, 2017 12:01 p.m.

    Yes Trump voters loved what Trump said. Hillary was right when she called them deplorable's.

  • HSTucker Holladay, UT
    Aug. 16, 2017 12:01 p.m.

    Leftists, abetted by the media/entertainment/Democrat complex:
    "We are not violent anarchists, for there are none."

    2 Ne 28 was intended as a warning, not an instruction manual.

  • Vanceone Provo, UT
    Aug. 16, 2017 12:01 p.m.

    So called "open minded" mormon, you were never a Republican. You have always argued that the Church must support your gadianton view of society or else. Long before Trump was here, you openly called for the Church to excommunicate every Republican. For you, unless the people support legalized theft and murdering children we aren't followers of Jesus.

    Hey, guess what? Everyone screeched that Trump was wrong about leftists calling for Washington to be the next to be destroyed. And what do we have? Leftists in Chicago asking for Washington's name to be erased from everything in the city.

    What's the difference between ISIS and the Democrat party? One group destroys everything they disagree with, engages in massive violence against people they don't like, claims exclusive moral authority, hates the Jews with a passion, says that America and Christians are the source of all evil in the world, demands that everyone worship Allah, applauds terror attacks aimed at American institutions; and the other group is a military group centered in the middle east.

  • FT salt lake city, UT
    Aug. 16, 2017 12:00 p.m.

    Adversity doesn't build character, it defines it.
    Trump is what he's always been. If you don't know what that is you've only been paying attention to Fox News the past several years. America elected a famous celebrity t.v. host who also happens to be a racist, misogynistic, adulterer and a bigot.

  • airnaut Everett, 00
    Aug. 16, 2017 12:01 p.m.

    @Den Den - West Jordan, UT
    Aug. 16, 2017 11:25 a.m.

    Two wrongs do not make a right!


    A woman was murdered.
    Stop trying to defend it.

  • Marriage & Morality Advocate Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Aug. 16, 2017 11:58 a.m.

    What's wrong with also pointing out the hatefeul violence of the left during Charlotte-- especially when the hateful purposely disruptive violence on the left such as at Ferguson and Baltimore, and the police killings throughout the country were essentially given a pass by the past administration of President Obama and the promoters and instigators such as the Black Lives Matter movement and other like minded groups are praised by the left as well as the moderates and were even invited to the White House and celebrated. We are also in a climate where the left leaning mainstream media tries to associate conservatives with the so-called extreme right-- when Nazis are socialist and the roots of white supremacists are deep within the Democratic party of the 19th and 20th century. Shame on the city government of Charlotte for having the police "stand down" and allow the left counterprotesters to escalate the matter without appropriate response-- likely leading to the injuries and death. Mitt Romney is just plain wrong about the non equivalence of the white supremacists and the left (and probably hired) protesters. The leftists have a more recent and long history of violence.

  • Open Minded Mormon Everett, 00
    Aug. 16, 2017 11:59 a.m.

    A woman was murdered, period.

    Like a rape --
    it is impossible for 'both sides' to be blamed!

    Trump is President.
    He sets the tone for the entire nation.

    A previous President said the buck stops in the Oval Office.

  • The Meliorist Grande Cache, 00
    Aug. 16, 2017 11:58 a.m.

    I hear the sound of knives being sharpened. It took only 2 weeks for most Americans to lose respect for Trump. It took about 5 months for most Republicans to lose respect in him. Now the Republican leadership is speaking out against him.

    The only people who will be praising him 3 years from now are white supremacists. Maybe they'll try to raise a statue to commemorate his presidency.

    He is his own worst enemy. And ours.

  • Rubydo Provo, UT
    Aug. 16, 2017 11:53 a.m.

    So every politician, person and church must genuflect every time something like this comes up now?

  • Open Minded Mormon Everett, 00
    Aug. 16, 2017 11:52 a.m.

    Why I am no longer a Republican:

    Republican => Trump => Russians, bullying, trash talking, liar, Neo-Nazi, KKK, White Nationalist

    7. Do you support, affiliate with, or agree with any group or individual whose teachings or practices are contrary to or oppose those accepted by the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints?

  • eastcoastcoug Danbury, CT
    Aug. 16, 2017 11:47 a.m.

    Dear Senator Lee,

    It is not enough to disown the remarks. It's time to disown the man making them.

  • Lia Sandy, UT
    Aug. 16, 2017 11:37 a.m.

    Our disatrous presidency is punctuated by comprehensive incompetence on a daily basis.

  • MaxPower Eagle Mountain, UT
    Aug. 16, 2017 11:35 a.m.

    August 16, 2017...the day I agreed with Mike Lee

  • patriot Cedar Hills, UT
    Aug. 16, 2017 11:28 a.m.

    Trump voters love what the president said. As for the rest of the political spectrum -- I couldn't care less. I didn't vote for Hatch the last time he ran and Mike Lee has been more concerned at times with his own re-election than stating the unapplogetic truth. The truth to me is that YES there is blame on both sides. Any fool who thinks Black Lives Matter isn't a race - hate group has been living on Mars.

  • Den Den West Jordan, UT
    Aug. 16, 2017 11:25 a.m.

    Two wrongs do not make a right! Both sides were violent.
    Hate is hate, whether it comes from a neo-nazi wanna be or someone who opposes their views, carrying a club and striking others or 'defending themselves'. Both sides went there looking for a fight.

  • Vanceone Provo, UT
    Aug. 16, 2017 11:25 a.m.

    The left is peddling a flat out lie that the violence was only one sided in Charlottesville. BLM, IWW, and a whole long list of leftist hate groups deliberately came to start a fight.

    Those who deny this are lying to you. Senator Hatch, your demand that people speak out against hate is fantastic. When are you going to speak out against leftist hate?

    You know what? There are very few neo-nazi's in America. They are being literally hunted by the left online and being persecuted.

    That seems extreme to me, but whatever. What's not in dispute is that a black mob can hurl the most racist remarks, beat and murder white people, and they are protected by the media and by the GOPe. Where is the condemnation for left racism? Oh, right--it's bigoted to call out a black mob like the one that killed Zemir Begic with hammers in front of his wife. The left is filled with racist people, bigoted against Jews, and that's perfectly fine according to the same people criticizing Trump for saying hate exists on the left too.

    BLM and antifa beat people over the heads with bicycle locks and set fire to campuses. But there's "no hate" on the left. What hypocrisy.

  • silo Sandy, UT
    Aug. 16, 2017 11:20 a.m.

    Apparently Senator Lee is as timely in his reaction to Trumps remarks as he is in making house payments.