@RollFizzlebeef--I understand that it's challenging to keep current with a
thread this long, but it seems you missed the LDS Church's first statement,
which did, in fact, condemn all violence from every group responsible. This
second statement was in direct response to white supremacist groups and or
individual white supremacists asserting that the LDS Church, endorsed them,
agreed with them or was in their corner. Since they'd already issued a
blanket condemnation, and since, to my knowledge, neither BLM nor Antifa has
made similar assertions, there was no need to include them in this
statement...in fact, it would have been a little odd to do so.
I am a Black, sorry , let me correct that.I am a multiracial member of the
LDS church and I have experienced racism in the church.However, I have
also experienced an abundance of love, kindness and respect from other members
of the church. Many members I know are really embarrassed of misguided acts that
were committed by their ancestors towards blacks. What a blessing the temples
provided, to be able to be a proxy on behalf of a family member and to exercise
the virtues we know to be true and morally correct. It is also important to know
that the adversary seeks these opportunities to divide us as members of this
great church. America is the only country in the world that people have to state
their ethnicity on paper. Why?
Why can't the Church denounce ALL hate groups? Where was the church when
BLM was advocating for the death of all cops and whites? When Antifa rioted and
beat peaceful rally goers? Why now come out now and specifically single out the
white supremacy groups? Yeah, I agree with the church's
statement. White supremacy groups are wrong and that ideology is not in harmony
with the teachings of Christ, but they are not the first, or the loudest, or the
most violent hate group to cause trouble this year. They're just the white
ones.This is not the first time a white supremacy group has had a
rally. In fact, this group had a permit and scheduled this event legally.
That's how these things normally go. If average decent Americans had ignore
their blind hate, and if the media had not given them such sensational
'round the clock coverage then their message would have been limited and
unnoticed by most. But violent illegal unpermitted counter protestors came
intent on causing physical harm. If we ignore the white supremacists,
they'll go away. You're not a hero for punching these dudes in the
face for expressing their opinions. You're adding fuel to the fire.
You're part of the problem.
Until the church directly addresses Ayla Stewart, by name, it is just lip
KevinSim - "What exactly did ANTIFA and BLM do, that constituted an attempt
'to attack and silence those whose views are not deemed
acceptable'?"As BYUgraduate pointed out, they were there
causing violence. The White Supremacists got a permit for their demonstration
and if the ANTIFA/BLM group would have just let them be, there wouldn't
have been anything on the news. No fights, no injuries and few outside of the
town would even have known that there was a demonstration. They gave those
leaning toward radicalization a reason to be pushed over the edge.ANTIFA/BLM are well known for INITIATING violence. Look at what they did in
Berkeley and elsewhere when conservative speakers were invited in. When
conservatives speak at colleges, they get bodyguards. Liberal speakers have no
need. The same thing happened at Trump rallies. ANTIFA/BLM/Pro-Immigration
groups should up and blocked roads and threw eggs.A suggestion for
the DN -My last comment was put on hold and after it was approved, it was placed
well down the list where it would have originally gone. Delayed comments should
be treated as new so that others reading the comments don't miss them.
Antifa dressed in masks and attacked the crowds with baseball bats. Numberous
pictures of this happening.
Good for the Church. In making this statement they are taking on some of their
own members which in this case is a good thing. It is good for them to stand on
the side of right.
Omsdave posted:=By not calling evil evil, it was an endorsement for
ANTIFA and BLM, to attack=and silence those whose views are not deemed
acceptable.What exactly did ANTIFA and BLM do, that constituted an
attempt "to attack and silence those whose views are not deemed
At long last posted:=Given the history of the Mormon church, it
would be better for them to be=silent, rather than expose themselves to
the charge of hypocrisy. There has=been an enormous change over the past
70 years in everyone's view of race. Let=us just accept that as a
good thing and not be so very hard on some folks who=haven't changed
yet.Good luck with that, with getting the Mormon Church to be silent
on the issue of racism. It would have been easier to get the Apostle Paul to be
silent on Jewish-Christian relations after his experience on the road to
Damascus.I was an LDS teenager during the mid 1970s, so it should
come as no surprise to readers of these comments that I was kind of racist
myself for significant portions of that decade. I'm frankly ashamed of my
views during that time. Does that mean that the more violent views of the Ku
Klux Klan and neo-Nazis should repulse me less than my own views did? No, when
one has truly repented of a horrible sin, there's no hypocrisy in warning
others away from committing that very sin.
I read a lot of comments about BLM, Antifa, etc. Like there is an moral
equivalence. 1st. the First Presidency has denounced violence in the
past. 2nd. Those who ask why single out "white supremacists", why not
BLM, Antifa, Black Panthers(!), seem to forget the long history of white
supremacy in this Country. WS has a long and dark history in this country.
Lynchings and Terror were common place not to long ago in this country. Those
who espouse such ideology today, are linked to that horrible past. The specter
of that racist ideology cast a long historical shadow, harking back to before
the Civil War, so much that CSA attempted to codify it. The families and lives
destroyed by that long dark history pale in comparison to those acts encouraged
by BLM, etc. It seems to me that those who have a knee jerk reaction to BLM,
either can't or won't acknowledge that such movements arise out of the
feeling that black lives do not matter. Years ago African American men wore
placard declaring "I am a Man"? Why, because they had been so
marginalized and oppressed, that just declaring that they are a Man was act of
defiance. You may not agree with the goals of BLM, but walk in their shoes.
Wow...interesting how commenter are feeding off each others' statements and
forgetting what the LDS Church actually said. In their original statement they
condemned all racism ("No man who makes disparaging remarks concerning those
of another race can consider himself a true disciple of Christ. Nor can he
consider himself to be in harmony with the teachings of the Church of
Christ."). Crystal clear to me.The followup statement reported in this
article was made because it came to the LDS Church's attention that some
white supremacist groups were asserting that the church was on their side. If
seems to me that no further clarification is required regarding the other groups
who are not making that assertion.
I am beyond shocked at the many here who take even the remotest exception to
this official statement by the Church. Any such statements strike me as
unbelievably xenophobic and ethnocentric. I served a mission for the Church in
a "non-white" country and quickly came to realize how xenophobic and
ethnocentric I was as a 19 year old military brat who had lived outside of the
U.S. for a good part of my youth. To those of you who feel to justify the
actions and beliefs of white supremacists and/or feel resentment that the Church
did not also call out the left/antifa in this -- Where is the Christ-like
attitude in that? And, to those of you who likewise served missions in a
non-white country but tend towards mitigation for the white supremacist point of
view -- Did your missionary service not instill in you a greater sense of love
for your neighbor?!!
@ at long last. . . - Kirksville , MO - Aug. 16, 2017 10:10 a.m. - "......
Abe Lincoln was a dyed-in-the-wool racist by today's standards."Your statement is false. Totally 100% false.
Byugraduate posted:=All hate groups need to be called out! No matter
what color they are. All lives=matter!and then Patriot
posted:=well said. Agree 100%. I wish the church would make the same
statement.In isolation that statement, "All lives matter,"
is completely true. But in context it's a jab at the other phrase commonly
heard today, "Black lives matter." I'm pretty sure the LDS Church
is sensitive enough to the context that it will never issue a statement that
takes such a jab. And I'm glad of that.
The many posters here who have said something to the affect that 'All hate
groups need to be called out' are missing the point. They also sound like
a petulant toddler who was told to stop pestering their brother only to say
'But he started it!'. There are some organizations that are inferring
that the LDS church supports their supremacist views. If your neighbor started
rumors that you were doing something wrong wouldn't you set the story
straight on your street? I think that Black Lives Matters incites through hate
and is not a healthy organization for our country. However they never tried to
use the good name of the church to further their agenda.I have lived
in the South and seen white, black, asian and pacific islanders exist in the
same church unit and it was wonderful. We are all children of god. Sinking to
another persons level won't solve any problems.
Thanks for sharing this update! I applaud the LDS Church and everyone who is
denouncing white supremacy. I believe Americans have a moral obligation to
speak out about what happened in Charlottesville. Edmund Burke has been quoted
as saying, "All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men
[and women] do nothing." Additionally, I applaud GoDaddy, Google
and other business leaders who are withdrawing their support from groups and
individuals that are connected with the white supremacy movement.I
want to go on record by stating that I condemn in the strongest terms white
supremacy groups and their philosophies of superiority, hatred, racism, bigotry
and misogyny (e.g. how these groups are now demeaning Heather Heyer, the counter
protestor who lost her life at their white supremacist rally).
Given the history of the Mormon church, it would be better for them to be
silent, rather than expose themselves to the charge of hypocrisy. There has
been an enormous change over the past 70 years in everyone's view of race.
Let us just accept that as a good thing and not be so very hard on some folks
who haven't changed yet. Abe Lincoln was a dyed-in-the-wool racist by
This brief statement says it all. The basic core of the Gospel, the greatest
I'm surprised at the attention/controversy the subject has garnered. The
demonstration organized in Charlottesville, was attended by white nationalists
and white supremacists from all over the country and from Europe as well. And
less than 2000 people showed up. We should be rejoicing that the number is so
tiny. That averages out to less than 40 people a state, how insignificant is
that? I don't understand how people are getting sucked in this big media
fueled nothingburger.I support our church leaders in their capacity to
reveal and teach principles of the gospel. When they offer their opinion on
political, social, or musical event I take it for what is.When those at
the church PR desk write up a statement only condemning one side for being
racist, but no condemnation for the other side who shrouded in masks sought to
take away their agency to lawfully assemble and engage in free speech; what does
that say? Don't we value agency as well? By not calling evil evil, it
was an endorsement for ANTIFA and BLM, to attack and silence those whose views
are not deemed acceptable. The problem is many of our beliefs are not
considered acceptable. What do we do when they come after us?
I agree with the majority of sensible comments here which point out the
realities of the LDS Church's statement. To the article's author: I
appreciate your reporting of these statements. My only nitpick is that you
didn't entitle it: 'Local Churches Issue Statements...'. I know
the Catholic diocese is too big to call you out but don't they deserve some
recognition, here, as well?
In Moses 3:17, the Lord tells Adam that he is forbidden from eating the fruit of
the tree of knowledge of good and evil, but the Lord allows him the choose for
himself and reap the consequences. This promotes the idea of individual agency
and responsibility. D&C 1-1:77-80 state that the Constitution of the US was
established to maximize freedom and therefore agency. Western culture exalts
personal freedom and responsibility. Other cultures, including White eastern
European cultures, tend not to and instead impose laws based on theology or the
supremacy of the state. Western culture breeds success while the others bring
poverty and lack of freedom and agency, even amongst those embracing the latter
while living in the West.The bottom line is that not all cultures
are equal and that we should be promoting a culture that promotes freedom and
individual responsibility. It's not about race. I would much prefer to be
around people of different races and religions who embrace Western culture than
be around White LDS that reject it.The Church should condemn the
violence of the Alt-Left/Antifa as well.
@ patriot - Cedar Hills, UT - Aug. 15, 2017 10:25 p.m. - "re:byugraduate
("All hate groups need to be called out! No matter what color they are. All
lives matter!") - well said. Agree 100%. I wish the church would make the
same statement."They have. Many, many times. They
say that every single time they say "ALL people are children of God".
Surely you understand that.
I do not understand why anyone who considers themselves to be an American
patriot would choose to wave a Nazi or Confederate flag or support either cause.
Both the Nazis and the Confederates were (and still are) enemies of the United
States. Just as Matthew 6:24 says, "No man can serve two masters: for either
he will hate the one, and love the other; or else he will hold to the one, and
despise the other. Ye cannot serve God and mammon," the same is true in
either supporting the U.S. Constitution and the rights and freedoms guaranteed
within or opposing it by following either of those two philosophies.
@America First (2:25 pm):"what a shame...so now not only must
whites pay for sins we did not commit, but we must also be willing to lose our
identity and country."You can be at peace to know that you will
not have to pay for any sins you do not commit. I'm not sure where that
statement came from. Nothing in the church's statement implied that.Why are people so upset about this statement? It baffles me. It is not
a statement about violent groups. The church has condemned violence on many
occasions. This statement is about white supremicists. Feelings of race
superiority are sinful. Intimidating other races based on these feelings is
sinful. This shouldn't be a new concept. Why all the fuss about calling
this kind of stuff a sin? Do people believe it is not a sin?
My Grandfather and 2 of my Uncles fought against Fascism. I am an old disable
Air Force Officer and it bothers me no end that the nazi flag is allowed in
America. They are a hate group. They and their flag and any other symbols
should be outlawed. I am certain that the freedom of expression did not apply
to that flag when we were fighting Hitler, and nothing has changed about what it
stands for since WW2. It must be made illegal.
This was a group of white supremists, not white nationalists, and as far as I
could read, no LDS people were involved. Also, I have never heard one Mormon
say the white race is superior to the black race. Is it okay for
blacks to hate whites and speak against them, as in the college that had an all
black day and made a point of saying white students were not welcome on campus?
There seems to be more racism directed at whites in our country these days. I wish the church statement had said no race of people is superior to
another, and racism against any skin color is contrary to the teachings of the
The side that merely "opposes racism & bigotry" also led directly to
the murder of 10 cops last year in Dallas, Baton Rouge & NYC.
rE:dancencj excellent point. All lives matter. The violent hate
speech calling for dead cops by Black Lives Matter was as EVIL as it gets yet we
heard nothing -- no official condemnation. It scares me that even the church is
intimidated by political correctness.
re:byugraduatewell said. Agree 100%. I wish the church would make
the same statement.
"People are not upset at the Church, but at the fact that one evil has been
called out, and the other is being protected. Both sides were wrong, that's
the discussion that we should be having. Racism by any other group is just as
vile as that by the white supremists.""All hate groups need
to be called out! No matter what color they are. All lives matter!"Well said.The counter protestors have their own form of hatred and
intolerance and incited much of the violence. So why do they get a pass? It
seems the Church (and the media, for that matter) should be condemning ALL forms
of hatred and violence. Yes, one individual moron took it way too far, but both
sides of the demonstration share responsibility for this tragedy.
All hate groups need to be called out! No matter what color they are. All
I'm with the Church 100% on this. I'm just disappointed they
didn't take it far enough. White supremacists are intolerant, bigoted,
despicable people, and they should be called out. But they had a permit to
protest and they had a constitutional right to demonstrate, as distasteful as it
might be. The organizers for the counter protesters did not have a permit
and incited much of the violence (this is not speculative and is well
documented) exhibiting their own intolerance, bigotry and dispicable behavior.
So why do they get a pass? It seems the Church (and the media, for that
matter) should be condemning ALL forms of hatred and violence. Yeah, one
individual moron took it way too far, but both sides of the demonstration share
responsibility for this tragedy.
Thank you to the Church for making this distinction.I'm a Utah
native but have strong southern roots. I have ancestors that fought and died for
the cause of the Confederacy. But just because it is part of my history or
ancestry, I know it wasn't right. The "traditions of our fathers"
can be wrong, and just because it is history, tradition, or culture,
doesn't mean it needs to be glorified.They fought in the name
of an evil institution - slavery. The south built its economy on the backs of
slaves who were forced to live without freedom or dignity. When the evil was
challenged and ultimately dismantled, many sought to preserve a remnant of these
wrong traditions. It doesn't make it right. It's time to separate
ourselves completely from this unfortunate legacy and move on.
The United State is separating into 'ites' with the predictable
outcome that always happens. We are on the verge of Civil War II. I have to
trust church leaders on this. Hopefully our brothers and sisters in
Africa will not have to take us as refugees, though they are one group Cristian
enough to do so.
what is "white Culture"? I am white, my ancestors are white and they
have their own ethnic culture. So is it wrong to celebrate that I am of Danish,
French or German ancestry?
@dancencj. I'm not aware that the black panthers, or the others, every
claimed to be inline with LDS theology. The Utah chapter of Vanguard America
however has a picture of the Salt Lake Temple on their homepage. That is why
the church has a right to make a public clarification.
@GenErik - "The alt-Left is behind the recent Alt-Right white supremacy
riots."@dancencj - "Has the church issued a statement on the
violence perpetrated by ANTIFA, black lives matter, the black panthers, or any
other non white group?"I'm afraid both of these comments do
NOT reflect reality. First, what "alt-Left", and what could possibly
make you think they had anything to do with that herd of racist whites in
Charlottesville? And meanwhile, what violence have people against fascism
("antifa") or people asserting that Black Lives Matter Too committed?
Especially when compared to the violence that white people have committed
against non-white people over the last few centuries? Please, it's OK to
have an opinion, but base your opinions on facts, not myths.
I am glad that the LDS Church was more than just "deeply troubled" by
white supremacist attitudes and went so far as to acknowledge it is a sin.
White supremacy has nothing to do with celebrating your heritage. As it's
name implies, white supremacy is an attitude that those who are white are
inherently better than those who are not. Such an attitude is false and, as the
Church acknowledged, sinful. For those wanting to celebrate their
heritage (white, black, Asian, Native America, etc.), go research your family
history and do temple work for your ancestors, no matter where they came from.
I don't think God would approve of any hate group. The lack of
a statement towards both sides involved disturbs me.
@ imsmarterthanyou Placing your culture on unequal footing is
simply wrong. To lift one culture above another is not a celebration... far,
very far from it. I am in full support of bass679 comments. One of the first
definitions of the word "Celebrate" is 1. To observe (a day or event)
with ceremonies of respect, festivity, or rejoicing. Note the word respect.
Placing one race above another shows a great lack of respect and therefore does
not fit into the definition of Celebrate. What happened in VA did not include
respect, festivities or rejoicing. Sorrow, death and humans behaving badly
was all that occurred there. Hate bears that bitter fruit.
It's unfortunate that the LDS church had to clarify their previous
statement concerning Charlottesville. However, I am grateful that they did. I do
not understand why so many have such a problem with stating that any semblance
of white supremacy is bad. Perhaps, it's fear. I'm not sure.
If we're gonna start lumping the attempted CSA in with the rest of
"white culture" just because there were white people involved, then that
opens the doors for a lot of other things. Let's start talking Holocaust,
Has the church issued a statement on the violence perpetrated by ANTIFA, black
lives matter, the black panthers, or any other non white group? If not why? Why
are they singling out a group, with what my understanding of the events, was not
the only group in the violent protesting in VA. Just an observation that no
statements are made when the violence is perpetrated by non whites or illegal
citizens. Wonder why now?
I am glad the Church has come out with these statements. A lot of eyebrows were
raised when the Mormon Tabernacle Choir was front and center during Trump's
inauguration. I know a lot of people who took this as, "the
Church is Trump's side."Glad to see the Church slowly
distancing itself from President Trump and his administration.
@Desertbloomer - Provo, UTPeople are not upset at the Church, but at
the fact that one evil has been called out, and the other is being protected.
Both sides were wrong, that's the discussion that we should be having.
Racism by any other group is just as vile as that by the white supremisists.
It's good to see the lds church progressing in the right direction.
Unfortunately there are still those of my grandparents generation who were
college students and sat at the feet of Mark E Peterson who was unfortunately an
apostle at the time and proclaimed his pro-segregation and racist ideas as
gospel truth in his talk "Race Problems as They Affect the Church" given
at BYU. Other church leaders of his day held similar sentiments. These
teachings have since been dissavowed by the church as heretic but it's
pretty clear that these prejudices and subtle biases are still held by many of
the lds baby boomer population, my parents included (though i still love em to
death) to whom these ideas were passed on.
Frozen Fractals. Yep there is a difference between the color of your
skin and your culture. I take pride in my ancestors and my Scandinavian and
pioneer heritage. But I am not proud of it because of the color of my skin nor
the color of my ancestors skin. I am proud of it because of what they did, and
who they were, the skin color is irrelevant.
It's rather disturbing how many people are angry at the church. White
supremacy and racism is and has always been against God's plan.
@GenErik"Why were the police ordered to stand down when they could
have prevented the violence? "The white supremacists came
armed... with guns, and guns make it difficult for police to get involved. Same
reason why that Bundy standoff over the cattle in Nevada ended up the militia
fending off the cattle seizure.
@imsmarterthanyou"So it's sinful to celebrate your heritage if
you're white because if you do you are a racist. "There's St. Patrick's Day, Octoberfest, we get Christmas markets
around the world derived from the central european tradition in Germany and
surrounding areas and no shortage of cultural events with dance (Irish, Russian,
etc), and food (literally from anywhere), and dress, and whatever really. Does
anyone have a problem with those events based on things from predominantly white
countries? I don't think so. We just had a different kind of heritage
celebration a few weeks ago with Pioneer Day. What is white culture?
It's not those things because whiteness isn't what matters there.
"Church members who promote or pursue a 'white culture' or white
supremacy agenda are not in harmony with the teachings of the Church."I read this as the Church is condemning behavior to establish a culture that
is white, rather, a society devoid of anyone not belonging to the Caucasian
race. It is NOT condemning the heritage or culture that white Americans belong
to. If we are going by culturally "white" behaviors, I've met black
people, Asian people, Latinos, and Native Americans that are as "white"
as you or I. It's not white culture; it's American culture.
Wow, surprised at the number of Deseret News readers and commenters that appear
to be for the "white nationalists". By the way if "white
nationalists" don't want to be called Nazi's, I recommend the
don't go around waving the Nazi flag at protests, like many were shown to.
Just my .02.
It is both remarkable and alarming that this statement needs to be issued at
all. I am still trying to recover from Trump's news conference today.
What's next? All I know is that all churches and institutions of virtue
need to continue to speak out against the ugliness that is bubbling up in this
country and condoned if not supported by the facade of a leader in the White
This statement has no weight until you put the essay on blacks and the
priesthood on the front page of the Ensign WITH a heart felt apology. Then in
the next issue disavow and apologize for decades of collateral damage for the
absolutely blatant racism of the white & delightsome doctrine from the Book
of Mormon and past leaders. Until that happens you are spitting in the wind.
There is nothing saying you can't be proud of your heritage. The problem
arises when you begin to believe that because other cultures and races are
moving into your neighborhood or country that it is somehow minimizing your
heritage or culture or value.
The alt-Left is behind the recent Alt-Right white supremacy riots. The so called
alt-Left groups were infiltrated and organized by alt-Left people plus the
Democrat Gov, Mayor and Police chief who were all too happy to lay the trap. Why
were the police ordered to stand down when they could have prevented the
violence? Who told the police to stand down.All racism is bad but
the alt-Left is trying to divide, conquer, smear and take under mind the
President and all conservatives. They can not win a debate of ideas so they
resort to trying to pin criminal acts on opponents which they set up. Time for
us to quit being puppets in their efforts to overthrow the country.
I think they put themselves in a bad position by not condemning all hate groups.
@Nanook.Interesting perspective. So, one can celebrate their
Northern European ancestry, just not too loudly or publicly. Are
you saying that if one does not exhibit white guilt, then they might be guilty
of white supremacy? Or is there a common sense middle path that
allows one to treat others with dignity and respect, courtesy and kindness, and
at the same time allows one to not be embarrassed that their German and English
ancestors came to America, settled in Georgia and raised children that had a
With some of the comments on here you'd think the Church had announced they
were canceling the Pioneer Day parade AND the lights at Temple Square.
@imsmarterthanyouI see nothing in this statement by the church that says
white people can't celebrate their heritage. My understanding is that the
church encourages everyone to celebrate their heritage, no matter what race or
nationality we all come from. I celebrate my pioneer heritage, ancestors
who were early American colonists, and my European heritage from various
countries before my ancestors came to this great land. In none of this do I
believe that my heritage, nationality, nor my ethnicity makes me better than
anyone else. We are all equal in God's eyes.The church has a
Lamanite Generation group at BYU, and is certainly celebrating that heritage,
but having this group does not promote that this group of people is ethnically
or morally superior to any other group. My reading of their statement is that
whites/Caucasians should not say they are superior. White supremacists who
believe that every other race is inferior and should be subservient are morally
reprehensible. I believe that anyone from any other race who held similar
views that their race is superior to all others would be in an equally bad moral
To szmith in Bountiful, nothing is ever 'too little too late' , for
instance, we still mourn that previous presidents created an explosion of
lawsuit culture and to 'imsmarterthanyou', who said you can't
celebrate your heritage? Sing and dance all day long, just try not to attack
others in a car. We are talking common sense here, which the church believes
Wow this sure sounds like pandering to political pressure to me, what a
shame...so now not only must whites pay for sins we did not commit, but we must
also be willing to lose our identity and country. The way is much more narrow
than I thought.
To those who are worried about "white culture": "White culture"
exists. In fact, it not only exists, but it is pervasive and ENDEMIC around the
world, thanks to imperialism. Movies, TV shows, media, the Internet ... even
most computer languages are based on English words. "White culture" DOES
NOT NEED "protection" or whatever ... if anything, it needs to back off
and make room for other cultures. So if you say you "just" want to
promote "white culture", you're either blind to the reality out
there, or you're using code words for "white supremacy".
@imsmarterthanyouThere's a stark difference between celebrating your
heritage and advocating racial superiority and/or purity. Do you not
understand the distinction? That you can be proud of your heritage without
So it's sinful to celebrate your heritage if you're white because if
you do you are a racist. However, if you are any other race, the church will
even provide a place for your racist rally at BYU, Hawaii, or any of their other
numerous properties worldwide. Lamanite Generations at BYU is only one of
hundreds of examples. But that is the way of hypocrites.
So, is this "too little, too late" as well?
Wonderful to see this but there are always some who will turn a blind eye to the
explicit statements from church leaders. I'm sure we'll hear more on
this topic in October.
Hopefully this is strong enough for any of you still under the delusion that the
LDS church condones white supremacy attitudes (including mitigating or
minimizing them because "others have been violent who weren't white
supremacists"). The violence perpetrated in VA over the weekend
is evil and wrong, period. The white supremacists in VA had hatred on their
minds because that's all they know...there is no other voice in their
groupthink culture that lends reason or harmony to their closed and