You're missing the point. There may well be a place in Draper to help the
homeless. The problem is, the way that Troy Walker went about it was simply
wrong. He didn't ask the community what they wanted. Heck, he didn't
even ask the full city council. He only asked some. If this was the first time
that he went off on his own, it could be forgiven. But it isn’t –
Troy Walker thinks he is the Emperor of Draper, and that the city should be
subject to his whim. He’s done it before this, and if he is re-elected
he’ll do it again. Despite his compassion, he’s a lousy mayor.
We don't need your prayers James Young. If you actually lived in the city
you'd know that Draper takes care of it's own and many others all year
round.This was a publicity stunt by a mayor who is full of himself.
Nothing more, nothing less.Please go down to the roadhome in your
SUV, have a few of the folks down there get in and you take them back to your
home and take care of them. I pray that your heart will be softened
to take them in so they won't suffer. If all the people like you would do
that, there wouldn't be any homeless. Ready to step up?
Draper remains a great choice as part of the solution.We pray that
God softens the hearts of the men and women and children of Draper to serve all
of their brothers and sisters, particularly those who are suffering so terribly.
We are in this supporting of our city (people not real estate) together. The
rich help support those with less and those with less help support those with
less, etc... That is a good society. We are supposed to concentrate our funds
for the good of everyone... responsibly. That is part of capitalism. But there
are comfortable people always complaining they have to pay some for others.
Sorry... I guess the very rich could hope for Ann Rand's fantasy where they
live in a bubble with nobody depending on them and everyone is
Why do we continue to reward people for making wrong choices, wrong choices and
more wrong choices? In case you don't know we once had laws about
loitering on pubic places and the handling of vagrants. If we still have those
laws on the books, see that our public officials enforced them or replaced them
with men and women who will. If not the law lets get them back and see that
they are enforced I've spoken to my legislators about wasting the public
funds in supporting such ridiculous programs and ask them to ceased immediately.
Unfortunately a few of these people we call homeless should be placed in mental
institutions called crazy houses in my youth, or jailed and made to work in
public service. In my minds eye I can still see those work gangs and how I made
sure I didn't do the things that would get me there. I see statements
about Christ like love as the solution but I don't recall a single
scripture about Christ supporting such action. We will never clean up these
cesspools of human behavior, if we keep doing the stupid things our city &
county leaders are doing.
@AbeilleMy comment, which I still stand by, was based on an
enlightening article from 2012 entitled The Welfare State's Cost To
American Taxpayers. This article also mentions that there are over 80 welfare
programs out there. We can move the numbers around, but the fact remains that a
tremendous amount of money is given in welfare. It is bothersome that people
that are already giving so much, through forced and voluntary avenues, continue
to be thrown under the bus with no gratitude shown.
As a member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter day Saints, I am very
embarrassed by the citizens of Draper. Their actions at this meeting seem
heartless and cruel. I live in CA less than a mile from a homeless shelter.
Our city just spent the last three years raising private funds to build a more
comprehensive, all encompassing day center for our homeless. I am proud of my
city's actions to support those struggling with basic life necessities.
My mom lived in SLC for five years, right next to the homeless shelter
...in The Gateway Apartments. I went with former mayor Ralph Becker to complete
a service project one Thanksgiving. It is heart-wrenching to see women pushing
strollers with infants, toddlers, young children to and from the shelter that is
grossly over crowded!As the Savior Jesus Christ said when we serve the
least of us...we are doing His work.... the second great commandment is love
your neighbor....that means EVERYONE! Shame on you Draper citizens!
I am amazed at the frontal assault on Draper residents for their response to
King Walker's decree for a homeless shelter in his kingdom. As a citizen
of the Democratic Republic of Riverton, opposition is part of our democratic
fabric. How everyone look at the poor residents of Draper as deplorables is
beyond me. I am sure there is plenty of compassion among the residents of
Draper. My response to a decree from our mayor (I forgot his name) will be met
with the same. Will that make me heartless? Nope! I am a staunch supporter of
the democratic process, not emotional decrees. To my fellow citizens across
the freeway, I firmly believe you were right. Now, go out there and vote your
SomeClarityPlease says: One half of federal taxes goes to welfare. This
amount is 5 times the amount to lift every single person in poverty out. Do
some brief research on the internet. Or better yet, you mayors with the
"anything goes" mentality should spend some airtime thanking the
taxpayers while educating the clueless on where all of their taxes are going.Actually, I did do some 'brief research on the internet'. Our
total Gross Domestic Product for this year is projected to be around 19.1619
Trillion. Our United States Government will spend around 4.0622 Trillion. Of
that amount, 716 Billion is for Medicaid, while 411 Billion is for all other
Welfare. If you want to lump Medicaid and Welfare together, the total would be
about 1.117 Trillion, or 27.5% of Total Government Spending. If we're only
looking at Welfare, then the United States will spend a total of about 10.12% on
welfare. That's a lot different than 'one half' and definitely
not enough to lift every single person out of poverty. I'm no Mayor, nor am
I an elected official, but these are the best numbers I could find. Hope it was
educational to all.
Embarrassed for Draperites. Kudos both Mayors Walker & McAdams for at least
trying to understand the problem, first-hand, and offering something. Both men
were trying, with not a lot of support from any others, to do the right thing.
What rare and good men they are. Mr. Walker, come on over to South Jordan-theres
a vacancy and Draper doesnt deserve you.
So to follow some of this logic does that mean we need to disperse the gang
issues from the west side to the rest of the valley to share the load? How about
narcotic distribution centers throughout unsuspecting neighborhoods to share the
burdens? The logic of distribution of this issue to burden all makes no sense.
Like I said I dont have the answers but what we are looking at is not it.
@mightymite"After hearing of first hand accounts of assault and drug
use going on in the shelter by Mr McAdams you thought it was a good choice to
spring this on people?"This article says he was looking into one
that focused on women and children. That's not going to attract nearly as
much of that kind of problem.
Impartial said "Walker doesn't do anything that he won't
personally benefit from doing."Impartial, would you please
provide proof to us of your statement. Please remember that you said
"doesn't do anything" So in other words, I need the proof that the
Mayors entire life, all of it, is spent in his own benefit. Please include how
being a husband, father, friend, son etc etc benefits him and only him.thank you for your timely response
I believe those who attended the heated Town Hall about the homeless shelter
probably did not accurately reflect the residents of Draper. I'm sure many
of Draper's residents would support, in more ways than one, a homeless
shelter. Perhaps this is something that should be put to a vote, not only in
Draper but in all communities.Years ago in a different State, our
little town fought for years to have a proposed prison removed from our
boundaries. Ultimately the State prevailed and a beautiful, state-of-the-art
prison was built. Not only did the prison grow the economy in that part of the
city, but volunteers flocked to help, and some of the biggest opponents created
innovative programs for the inmates and their children. All-in-all it became a
positive for the area. Homeless shelters give us an opportunity to show our best
selves, something any community should welcome.
The original article on Sunday stated that Ben didn't tell anyone about his
experience. It appears he shared his homeless ee perience with those who it
would influence as he started his plan to move the shelter from the Sugarhouse
area that were near his properties
To mightymite Since I made the property values comment I assume you
meant your response to me and not UteRB77, but his response to you was well
said. I think it's apparent you don't really understand the homeless
issue. This is not just a Salt Lake City problem. The people down there are
from all over the valley at the very least. A big cause of the
"lawlessness" going on down there is caused by the fact that we have
concentrated so many struggling people into one area. We're magnifying the
problem by allowing that to happen. That has to stop and everyone has to help
out with the problem and yes, that means breaking up the shelters into more
manageable sizes and spreading them out- just common sense.Airy
RainI think we would all feel for you and your hurt feelings over
how you're being viewed here if the good folks in Draper hadn't shown
a history at turning their collective noses at anything that you feel would mess
with your perceived little slice of heaven.
@ UteRB77nothing to do or does not effect my property values at all and I
feel for the resident of SSL who had this forced upon them. The issue here is
lawlessness and public safety. There is absolutely no excuse for introducing
these extremely serious risk factors into any neighborhood or community. It is
negligent. I dont know what the solution is but spreading around the risk so now
everyone is in potential peril is not the answer - just common sense.
As a resident of Draper I am outraged at this article. The people of Draper are
some of the most generous and caring people I have had the honor of associating
with. We DON'T hate the homeless! We are compassionate and try to lift up
our fellow man. The problem with this situation is the LACK of public
discourse. This was a HUGE surprise that (hopefully) the former Mayor sprung on
the citizens of Draper. NO one, including you or I enjoy something that is
so consequential thrown at them without any discussion or public opinion. We
were angry at the way it was handled! Anyone in any other city would be as
well. Quit pointing fingers at our city and citizens and labeling them as
monsters or "rich snobs" and evaluate the way you and your city would
have handled it.
Have the state step in and force a shelter in Draper. Children don't know
how to make their own decisions.
As a resident of Draper I was ashamed of my fellow citizens and their reactions
at the meeting. It's amazing how people will send their kids to Africa or
S. America to "serve others", yet act in such a horrible manner when
asked to help in their own city.Mayor Walker should be commended for his
actions, I will vote for him again and wish we could have a "re-do" on
Everyone wants to show compassionNo one wants the compassion to be
shown in their backyard/neighborhood.Therein lies the problem.
@mightymite - "There is no easy solution for homelessness but there are
resources for those who want and need help, it's not a golden ticket but
there is help if they look for it."The point that Mayors McAdams
and Walker and others have been trying to make is that the resources are
inadequate, and different groups have different needs. Shame on you for your
narrow minded judgment. It demonstrates a serious lack of understanding and
compasion for the problem. The vast majority of homeless do not "choose that
lifestyle." Most want to find a way back into society. Mayor Walker was
thoughtful about addressing a segment of the homeless, women and children, with
a whole separate set of needs, and who certainly did not choose to be homeless.
Why would we not want to separate them from the the rest of the problem. His
proposal was a solution. Who cares that he owns property that could provide a
location, which is one of the more difficult challenges. At least he's
offering solutions. Someone has to have the wherewithal to be able to execute
such a proposal. Good for him for having that ability. Regardless, I'm
afraid his proposal would have the same reaction no matter what. That's
Ben McAdam's experience as a "volunteer" member of the homeless is
instructive, and we need to learn from it. Homeless shelters ought to be a safe
haven, a place where men, women, and children can go and feel safe. Such safety
is -- to put it mildly -- less available if the people using the services of the
shelter are drunk or openly using illegal drugs. The shelter in Salt Lake City
could be well advised to take a page from the playbook of The Good Shepard, a
Catholic shelter in Albuquerque, NM. There, each person admitted to the shelter
is breathalyzed before entering, and if he's (it's exclusively a
men's shelter) been drinking, he won't be admitted. Each person also
has to check his backpack for the evening and he will not have access to it,
making drug use more difficult. But at The Good Shepard, if a man openly uses,
he'll be excluded from the shelter, not only on that occasion, but for
life. Many people do not want to risk such an exclusion.
Draper's rejection of the homeless resource center that will now be placed
in South Salt Lake is a metaphor for events of long ago. To understand this
metaphor, keep in mind that Draper is one of Utah's wealthiest cities and
has a temple, whereas South Salt Lake household incomes are among the
state's lowest and has no temple.During the final week of his
life, Jesus lodged at Bethany, a word that means "house of the poor."
Bethany was just over 1.5 miles from the temple in Jerusalem, but the small town
could not be seen from the temple mount. Why not? Very likely Bethany had an
almshouse and a place of caring for the sick. The chief priests required that
places of caring for the sick must be out of view of the temple. (The priests
believed that people got serious afflictions as a result of their sins or their
parents' sins.)How interesting that Jesus was more welcome in
poor Bethany than in a far wealthier city with a temple whose chief priests and
others viewed themselves as superior.
To mightymite No, we are talking about homelessness here. The whole point of
closing the Road Home and opening up smaller shelters around the valley is to
get the people who really want the help away from the problems going on downtown
and providing them with the resources they need to get back on their feet.
You're right, this issue isn't for the weak at heart, but that does
not mean you shouldn't have a soft heart either. As long as it doesn't
affect your property values of course...
@workingguy;" please explain to the rest of us how a homeless shelter
would be any kind of financial windfall for any property owner around the
proposed site, much less the land that was proposed for the shelter
itself."Simple. Just like the legislators and their cronies that
bought acres of low value sand and dirt property near the prison, now that they
forced the prison move that land will quadruple at least. Walker would profit by
selling his property to the state or city at a huge gain. It's not that
hard to figure out. Just like previous mayor Smith, Walker doesn't do
anything that he won't personally benefit from doing.
A mayor was elected by the majority. Therefore, it's only fair that the
majority is informed of the decisions that will impact them long term. The
mayor's decision was very noble if he was the king of Draper. But, as an
elected official, opposition to such decisions should not be surprising. Those
that are homeless for economic reasons can be accommodated anywhere for they are
there temporarily. But those who are chronically homeless by choice are
sometimes the criminal elements of that population. I agree Mayor Walker made a
bold move by making this generous offer. We'll find out soon if the
residents of his city has forgiven him.
The proposed Draper shelter is for homeless families , which more often are not
prone to violence or substance abuse. It provides a safe place for their
children to be away from the drug infested Rio Grande area. I have
been at the area many times by providing food and sleeping gear. Listening to
their stories is heart breaking.In addition to shelters , there can
be an immediate temporary care to provide drug free tent encampments. The goal
is get the homeless off the streets who are already camping and curb the
violence and the drug trade. Another idea is start a
"conservation corps " , which is similar to that was instituted by FDR
during the Depression , where the homeless will leave their surroundings and
work and live in the wild. It can be part of a substance abuse rehab program.
A urban program can also be started to clean our rivers , beautify the
neighborhoods , and obtain job skills such a construction trade while working
on building affordable housing. Pay structure can start at $ 13 per hour .
Work and get some income among the homeless is the beginning become
self sustaining. Then proceed to get job training and skill based education.
The Mayor's reaction is very confusing to me. I totally get the
compassion for homeless. But he goes to a homeless shelter, sees
that it is a cesspool and horrible. Sees that people would rather sleep outside
than go there.And is reaction is "Hey, let's make more of
these!!!".How does that make any sense? Shouldn't the
initiative be to clean up the horror that exists -- get the program right,
first?Or are we like "Hurry up and do more damage"?
The timing of this article is very troublesome to me. Why didn't Major
Walker let the citizens of Draper know of his fact-finding mission to offer land
for a homeless shelter rather than announcing it suddenly and without giving any
indications of his concern and intent? It is my understanding from the articles
written about his offer, that the land seemed inappropriate for a shelter for
women and children in that it was isolated with no public transportation, or
close access to grocery stores or similar sources of goods, or services for the
homeless. The people I know in Draper are loving and compassionate. I think had
this been handled in a more transparent manner, the outcome would have been
different. I wouldn't want Draper judged by the very vocal minority
attending that meeting.
Make no mistake about it here we are talking about lawlessness not homelessness.
The stunt that Walker tried to make was reckless. There is no easy solution for
homelessness but there are resources for those who want and need help, it's
not a golden ticket but there is help if they look for it. Just housing a
homeless population enables a lifestyle and all the issues that those who choose
that lifestyle bring with them. This issue is not for the weak of heart. As
communities (any community - affluent or poor) we have expectations that laws be
followed and criminal elements not be housed in our communities in the name of
compassion. Just say no to that panhandler or drug dealer that your elected
official are proposing set up camp on your street corner to support the
population influx of homeless that are eyeing for you community.
To those who have posted comments about there being some kind of financial gain
for Mayor Walker and others to build a homeless shelter in Draper I ask this-
please explain to the rest of us how a homeless shelter would be any kind of
financial windfall for any property owner around the proposed site, much less
the land that was proposed for the shelter itself. I mean, it sure has worked
out well for the Rio Grande Cafe and the other businesses around the Road Home,
right? The folks in Draper should be ashamed of themselves. It was
one thing to lose their minds over a DI being built there, their reaction to
their mayor trying to do the right thing is an embarrassment. What Mayors
Walker and McAdams, as well as Rep. Hughes (from Draper, btw) are trying to do
is commendable and should be supported. There are many reasons to distrust
politicians. What these men are trying to do isn't one of them.
Nan BW:"To effectively help the homeless who are addicted we need to
stop the mass sales of opiates, which means we need to effectively stop illegal
immigration and mass delivery of drugs from south of our borders."The
opiates aren't coming from south of the border, they are produced right
here by our highly efficient and very profitable pharmaceutical industry, and
prescribed by licensed and trained but less-than-scrupulous medical
professionals. Until we deal with that, your solutions won't help much.
Open Drug Areas where drug laws are not enforced (lawlessness).Sanctuary city policies breeding criminality (lawlessness).Predatory and profiteering parking regulations creating hate of the law
abiding for the law.These three ingredients created a mess at Rio
Grande-Road House, Pioneer Park, and Liberty Park.We can't
build a new $1 Billion State Prison to punish drug offenders and have Open Drug
Areas 4 miles away where free drug paraphernalia (needles) are given out of
free.We must release drug offenders or end Open Drug Areas like Rio
Grande, Pioneer Park, and Little Cottonwood Canyon. We can't
have two sets of laws.
I am so impressed by Mayor. McAdams and his experience in the shelter. This is
an example of true leadership. I want to believe Mayor Walker is a man of his
word, and that he was inspired to make his offer by Mayor McAdams experience.
Shame on the people of Draper. This is a city that didn't want
a Deseret Industries store in the city limits - you know what kind of people
frequent those places...the disabled and those in a lower income bracket. That
store is now in Riverton and about to open this week. Thank you Mayor Applegarth
for supporting the DI in Riverton. "For some reason I can't
explain, I know St. Peter won't call my name" (Coldplay)Something for the angry mob of Draperites to think on today...
Two wonderful men and mayors that show care and compassion for the less
fortunate among us. Both set a shining example for us all.
I applaud the efforts of McAdams and Walker and am very disappointed in the
reaction of the dissenting citizens in Draper. I was considering buying a home
in Draper but not anymore. The reaction of Draper citizens in this situation
definitely soured me on the idea.
Don't look at legalizing marijuana as a solution. In legalizing that
substance in CO (where there are still a lot of regulations) we have just heaped
upon ourselves a pile of other problems. We've drastically cut back on
illegal marijuana sales, thus damaging the drug cartels from south of our
country. To keep in business those illegal drug outlets have increased heroin
trafficking. Drugs are a huge part of the homelessness problem. It
is no wonder that it was a very scary experience for the mayor to spend days and
nights in this environment. That doesn't make the problem any easier to
solve. Compassion is absolutely a part of the solution, but it doesn't
address how to assist the drug addicted homeless population and keep a semi-safe
environment for those who live nearby.To effectively help the
homeless who are addicted we need to stop the mass sales of opiates, which means
we need to effectively stop illegal immigration and mass delivery of drugs from
south of our borders. Then once again, the politically correct will say we
aren't being compassionate. There are no easy solutions!
If you want to improve your chances at being reelected, toughen up (like
Singapore) on this rather than kowtowing. The visit was indeed a calculated
publicity stunt not revealing anything new. You did not feel safe.
Why should the rest of us? Why haven't these bleeding heart
mayors invited some of the homeless into their homes?If you are
sensing drug use while in the shelter, you are doing a poor job screening.
Illicit drug use is not addressed in the Bible, so spare us the platitudes
with Jesus on compassion. I believe he would not have tolerated illicit drug
use, but would have instead used compassionate tough love. Some can use a
shelter, but others can use a shelter with bars (and 3 hots and a cot).Taxpayers are already compassionate helping a ton with the poor. Many
also contribute well beyond this with service and donations. One half of
federal taxes goes to welfare. This amount is 5 times the amount to lift
every single person in poverty out. Do some brief research on the
internet. Or better yet, you mayors with the "anything goes"
mentality should spend some airtime thanking the taxpayers while educating the
clueless on where all of their taxes are going.
UGC: I think the actual mayor was trying to be compassionate, the people (of
Draper) not so much.
I would like to think that the angry people at the Draper town hall meeting were
a group of out of state vigilantes who were passing through the area and just
happened upon the meeting. Unfortunately, as indicated by an earlier poster to
this story, it is all too real that they were residents who hardly reflect the
lives of those 19th century pioneers who were driven here by the type of hatred
and vicious outcry that occurred at the meeting.Without regard to
religious commitment or affiliation, their response to a request for help
reflects poorly on the principle of Christlike service.
How soulless are the upper-middle class residents of Draper, to boo a homeless
man. Shame on you, Draper residents.
I'm grateful for the mayor's courage to offer a suggestion for the
homeless. How sad that we ridicule and are quick to anger instead of find
solutions. I am embarrassed and ashamed by the awful and immature responses by
my fellow Draper residence. I applaud Mayor Walker for having compassion when
everyone else wants to ignore this huge problem and stand by him for offering a
solution when no-one else would.
Doing the right thing is not always an easy thing. The homeless situation
requires management. That's what we elect officials to do. When heartless,
uncompassionate people run our governments, it doesn't say much about what
We have to be able to sort how who really wants help and is ready for help from
those that either don't want help, aren't ready or won't even
acknowledge they have some serious problems including substance abuse will be a
waste of time and money until those things change. Some have to hit rock bottom
before they are willing to change. Some do not want to give up their drugs. Efforts need to be focused on those that want help and can benefit the
most from help. In the drug war we have lost many and will lose many more.
Those that have just hit hard times, need a hand up and safety net can be ok
with those things.
I beg your pardon Mr Walker. After hearing of first hand accounts of assault and
drug use going on in the shelter by Mr McAdams you thought it was a good choice
to spring this on people? I dont buy it. You are willing to open up this can of
worm in your very own city? Come on, Mr. Walker it seems like the Draper police
are currently overwhelmed with an escalating crime rate in the city of Draper
and again you thought this would be a good idea? Dont buy it , there were too
many motives with property owners and TRAX for me to buy your story. To be clear
any gains that were made by McAdams coming out with this story are now just lost
with Walker opening his mouth and joining this publicity train.
It should be noted that the piece of property considered for the shelter is
owned by Walker and associates.
It really hurts to know there are so any hateful people in this state. We should
be examples of Christlike caring. Those who were being so vicious at that Draper
meeting would have been the same people who drove Mormons out of their homes in
the 1800's.The majority of the homeless are people like you and
me. They've had something horrible happen to them, but they want to get
back on their feet, they want to keep their dignity, and they want to care for
Heaven forbid we should have compassion. If we could all take a step back and at
least take a realistic look at shelter locations, that would help. And then if a
choice really isn't good, then a location should be changed. Very difficult
to determine without a working crystal ball and no possibility of a guaranteed
outcome. Still, let cooler heads at least have a chance.
Draper is still the best choice