In our opinion: Republicans and Democrats should work together to make tweaks to health care bill

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  • JoeBlow Far East USA, SC
    July 17, 2017 12:04 p.m.

    Silo, I understand exactly what you are saying. But, with the hard problems like health care, Republicans tend to generalize. They have a couple of ideas (even if they might fit on a bumper sticker), and they call it a Bill or a Plan.

    Remember during the Obama administration when challenged as to what the "replacement" was under "repeal and replace", their big ideas were 1) tort reform and 2) insurance across state lines and 3) get rid of waste fraud and abuse.

    And they called it a health care plan.

    And now, when they actually control all 3 legislative branches of govt, they fall flat.
    Did you notice that their 3 big ideas did not make it to their actual legislative plan?

    They have found that it is much easier to complain than to lead.

    The dog finally caught the car. And hasn't a clue what to do with it.

  • silo Sandy, UT
    July 17, 2017 9:58 a.m.

    @patriot

    "You need to inform yourself before making sweeping generalizatons and half truths. Actually Senators Mike Lee and Rand Paul and some others do have excellent health care bills"

    Please cite the Bill Numbers for Lee's and Paul's health care bills. I'd like nothing more than to review the content of their 'bills' and assess the status of those bills in the Congressional flow.

    The problem is that when I search on the congress.gov site for legislation sponsored by either Lee or Paul relating to health care, there's simply no comprehensive health care bills that show.

    There's a bunch of Bills from the two of them to defund planned parenthood. And there's a bunch of bills from the two of them to repeal or defund obamacare.

    Strangely absent are any bills authored by either of them that addresses comprehensive health care reform.

    Apparently you were able to find that legislation, so please do provide the Senate bill number(s) for health care proposals from Rand Paul and Mike Lee.

  • pwlohse Dueren, 00
    July 17, 2017 9:22 a.m.

    In order to have a health insurance that does not change with every new administration, the USA needs to agree on the basic philosophy of how a health insurance should operate, what should be covered and who should benefit. Until that discussion has taken place and a compromise found, the system will be forever shifting and unstable. Other industrial nations have functioning systems. They could be used as a template for a revised health insurance system in the USA. I, for example, live in Germany and we have a functioning single-payer system.

  • Flashback Kearns, UT
    July 17, 2017 6:58 a.m.

    Why do we need Democrat's involved when they are the ones that screwed it up in the first place?

    McConnell needs to have this bill vetted. Put it through the committee process and allow amendments. Have hearings.

    The last time a bill was rushed through, it screwed up my insurance. I had better insurance prior to the ACA. We don't need this to happen again.

    McConnell is a poor leader and needs to be replaced.

  • patriot Cedar Hills, UT
    July 16, 2017 10:52 p.m.

    Balderdash!! Let Democrats have another crack at health care --- after 8 years of Obamacare misery? I don't think so D-News.

  • patriot Cedar Hills, UT
    July 16, 2017 10:50 p.m.

    re:Dixie Independent

    You need to inform yourself before making sweeping generalizatons and half truths. Actually Senators Mike Lee and Rand Paul and some others do have excellent health care bills but they are being attacked from both sides of the establishment. Read Mike's health care bill proposal or Rand Paul -- either one is good for America. Neither is a heavy federal government tax on the American people and both return power to the free market to drive prices down and increase choices. I assume you care about lower premiums and better health care choices? You are being fed false information and I do admit it takes some time to inform yourself it is certainly worth the effort my friend. I did!!

  • patriot Cedar Hills, UT
    July 16, 2017 10:44 p.m.

    Don't let Democats anywhere near this bill!! Good heavens, for 8 years Democrats rammed down our throats the worst job destroying, bankrupting, horribly crafted piece of Socialist legislation in my life time and now the Deseret News thinks we ought to allow them to have another go at it? I don't think so. The fact of the matter is we better listen to Senator Mike Lee and Rand Paul about this health care bill and stop listening to left wing polititians and their media (including the Deseret News) regarding the future of health care in America. I trust Mike and Rand. I do not trust the Deseret News editorial board and for good reasons.

  • Dixie Independent St George, UT
    July 16, 2017 10:03 p.m.

    Neither side have been honest in this fight. I don't trust either McConnell or Schumer to do anything other than try to denigrate the opposition. Democrat claims of 28,000 deaths per year are ludicrous. Republican claims that they have a plan are frankly unbelievable.

  • 1aggie SALT LAKE CITY, UT
    July 16, 2017 9:46 p.m.

    "That means you have to spend $9,700 a year to get $1 of benefits paid by the insurer. How can you call this insurance? "

    Not true.

    Under the ACA some benefits are not subject to co-pays or deductibles such as:
    immunization vaccines (for adults and children), cholesterol/blood pressure/diabetes, colorectal cancer/HIV/mammogram/cervical cancer/osteoporosis/STD screening etc. as well as vision tests for children, contraceptives for women of child-bearing age and several other additional benefits.

  • Middle of the road Mormon South Jordan, UT
    July 16, 2017 8:00 p.m.

    @Rick for Truth - Provo, UT

    "In Utah, Obama Care cost per annual is $6700. The deductible is $3000. That means you have to spend $9,700 a year to get $1 of benefits paid by the insurer. How can you call this insurance? With a tax penalty under $3000 and a pre-exsisting clause, what is the point of buying anything?"

    Sorry, hard to follow your logic. My deductible is $500 for me, and $1,000 for my entire family of 5. I pay 20% and my insurance company pays 80%. The max out of pocket for my entire family (the 20%) is $5,000. I had my gallbladder removed this year. The bill was $36,000.

    Last year my spouse needed surgery to fuse 3 vertebrae in her neck, the cost of that surgery was well over $100,000. So I see the benefit. As I approach my mid-50's in age cancer is always on the horizon. Nice to see ObamaCare did away with life time limits that followed you from insurance co to insurance co, and also required coverage for pre-existing conditions.

  • Middle of the road Mormon South Jordan, UT
    July 16, 2017 7:53 p.m.

    Universal single payer is what we need. Then the government can help control the costs of expensive medicines, diagnostic tests, and procedures.

    Hospitals and doctors would not charge more to those with insurance to subsidize those without.

    How about starting with a national tax on alcohol, tobacco, sugar, gasoline, and marijuana? That would pretty much make sure everyone pays into the system.

    Also reasonable co-pays, $10 to see a doctor, $300 for out patient surgery, $600 for surgery requiring one or more nights stay in the hospital.

    No income limits on FICA, etc... We the people have created a country that supports a market place where the rich can get even richer. No reason for them to be able to avoid these taxes.

  • DN Subscriber Cottonwood Heights, UT
    July 16, 2017 6:49 p.m.

    Your final paragraph is outstanding advice:
    "We see no reason why Republicans and Democrats shouldn’t work together to make these tweaks as representative of the nation’s collective interests as possible."

    Now, get Chuck Schumer to agree to anything at all and we might move forward.

    Obamacare is unsustainable, failing, and will only get worse if it is not totally replaced.

    Sadly, the Republican controlled Congress is also failing and only getting worse in their timidity and zeal for reelection rather than moving ahead with the clear knowledge that the generous and ever increasing list of "Free Stuff" cannot be provided, even if future generations are taxed into poverty at all wage levels. We must cut spending, even if it loses some votes, and makes some people responsible for their own health and pursuit of happiness instead of treating those as entitlements to be provided by people who work.

    Chuck is not going to buy into any of that, nor will most Republican politicians. Another reason to fire the career politicians who have gotten us into this sorry mess.

  • Casey See Camarillo, CA
    July 16, 2017 6:18 p.m.

    Two comments. First a single payer solution will raise costs dramatically. Why. Because it will bankrupt and put on the unemployment lines everyone who works for any healthcare insurance company. The argument is that they can fill the government roles which will need to increase dramatically to handle the new increased case load. But, the government isn't efficient, so they will have to add more people then those who lost their jobs. Unfortunately, they aren't in the same place so expect a huge imbalance in people losing their jobs in one location and people filling government healthcare insurance jobs in another location. This will drive up national debt and healthcare.

    Second, unless the underlying causes of healthcare costing so much are addressed, healthcare will continue to go up. This is where the emphasis should be. Fix the reason for healthcare costs going up such as: cost of malpractice insurance, the high price of labor in the medical profession, the limited supply of highly trained / educated healthcare personnel, the costs of developing and testing new drugs and equipment, and costs to build and equip hospitals and clinics.

  • one old man Ogden, UT
    July 16, 2017 4:16 p.m.

    For all you who are fed up with both the GOP and Democrats and want a chance at something different, please check out the United Utah Party.

    Google it for party platform and other information.

    It's an attempt to establish a brand-new independent, moderate option for Disgusted Democrats and Repulsed Republicans.

  • 1aggie SALT LAKE CITY, UT
    July 16, 2017 3:56 p.m.

    @JoeBlow
    You are correct. Those were key elements of the Republican proposal for healthcare reform during the ACA debate yet really haven't been mentioned much during the current debate.

    There is scant evidence tort reform affects overall healthcare costs. Several states already enacted tort reform on their own.

    Buying insurance policies across state lines.
    Again, several states--Georgia, Maine and Wyoming, already allow this practice, and there has been no interest on the part of insurers to engage in business across state lines. Insurers would have to network with providers (physicians and hospitals) throughout each state--a very complex and expensive process. Furthermore, even within a state the healthcare market varies, depending on the region. Lastly, this would not be a benefit to patients. Patients within a state at least have the state insurance regulator to help when an insurer refuses to pay a claim. Patients outside the state would most likely be on their own to fight the insurance company when a claim is (sometimes routinely) denied. For example, Georgia insurance regulators aren't going to go to bat for patients living in Kentucky.

  • JoeBlow Far East USA, SC
    July 16, 2017 3:05 p.m.

    I have looked at an overview of the GOP health care bill and it did not mention

    - Tort reform (although I always felt that was a state issue)
    - Insurance across state lines.
    - stopping waste fraud and abuse

    These were issues that the GOP talked about ever since the ACA was passed.

    Does anyone know if they made it into the GOP version of a health care bill? Or was it all just talk?

  • one old man Ogden, UT
    July 16, 2017 2:50 p.m.

    Welcome to the growing number of Americans who feel this way:

    Fullypresent - Salt Lake City, UT
    July 16, 2017 10:37 a.m.
    I, like many Americans are so fed up with party before country. The most dysfunctional, selfish, and dangerous way to run gov't. We need to dump the parties, special interest groups, PACs, and get dark money out of our elections. Institute term limits, and vote for good candidates that have our states and country's best interests at heart. That is how we preserve democracy, freedom, and our country. What we have now will not do that. Quite the opposite.

    Fullypresent, and everyone else who is fed up, there IS a possible alternative in Utah.

    Check out the United Utah Party. You can find its website containing the Party Platform and an excellent explanation of why we need this party.

    Ignore the naysayers.

    Maybe this will work. Maybe it won't. But at this point almost anything is worth a good try.

  • Holy-Schamoly-What Baloney Kaysville, UT
    July 16, 2017 1:07 p.m.

    @SMIT----News for you, OBAMACARE has made it WORSE for some of us, not better. It needs correction and with 68% of the country against it, why did Democrats force it down our throats at all, except to get their man in the white house a little legacy? Sorry, he didn't get the kind of legacy he wanted with ACA, Ukraine, Bears Ears, blame everything wrong on George Bush for the first 6 years, etc. His only real achievement is finally after years of searching they tracked down the guy responsible who was the mastermind for 9-11. He would have eventually been found anyway.

    The Republicans haven't passed anything yet, but at least you have an idea what's in it, as opposed to the Pelosi "You need to pass it to find out what's in it" approach.

    Face it, Uncle Sam knows about as much about health care as I know about quantum physics.

  • Light and Liberty St George, UT
    July 16, 2017 11:34 a.m.

    'tweaked'! Are you serious! 'tweaked'! When will our liberal progressive friends learn? There is a class of charitably minded citizens that like there freedom, like their doctor, and don't want government running our lives. What is it about this that some never get! Yes, lets 'tweak' it and move several more steps to total Socialism with all of its attendant evils. What is it about some Americans that they love compulsion, but like to coat it in words of compassion? What is Christian about compulsion?

  • Kent C. DeForrest Provo, UT
    July 16, 2017 10:42 a.m.

    This editorial misrepresents what the Democrats did with the ACA (or nationalized Romneycare, if you want to be more accurate). First, they did not shoot for a single-payer system, which was a nonstarter with conservatives. Second, they chose a framework that came straight from conservative sources (Heritage Foundation, Romneycare, etc.), hoping that this would get the Republicans to cooperate). Third, they debated this thing for months and allowed Republicans to offer amendments, many of which were incorporated into the ACA. Only then did they hold a vote. And the Republicans, much to their shame, chose to oppose it, since they had promised they would oppose everything associated with President Obama.

    Did the Republicans do any of the above in their rush to dismantle a perfectly fixable ACA? No. They have produced an abominable piece of legislation that will do harm to millions of Americans while rewarding those who are already receiving more wealth than they need. This whole exercise shows exactly who the Republicans are. But Utahns, who are often proud of their moral principles, are supporting this piece of blatant dishonesty.

  • Fullypresent Salt Lake City, UT
    July 16, 2017 10:37 a.m.

    I, like many Americans are so fed up with party before country. The most dysfunctional, selfish, and dangerous way to run gov't. We need to dump the parties, special interest groups, PACs, and get dark money out of our elections. Institute term limits, and vote for good candidates that have our states and country's best interests at heart. That is how we preserve democracy, freedom, and our country. What we have now will not do that. Quite the opposite.

  • JBs Logan, UT
    July 16, 2017 10:22 a.m.

    I disagree with those that say Dems and Repubs should not work together. Who cares about who gets blame or credit? Let's do what's right for the people and this country.

  • 10CC Bountiful, UT
    July 16, 2017 10:06 a.m.

    Let's get this straight - with the House, the Senate and the White House, Republicans are struggling pathetically to Repeal and Replace(TM) Obamacare.

    Now cornered by their long term demonization of ACA and refusal to fund the stabilization of insurance markets - a key part of ACA - Republicans are coming around to the need to do just that.

    Republicans had a whole bunch of chances to support - and fix - their own healthcare ideas... the same ones Mitt Romney adopted with generally good success in Massachusetts.

    A big part of the problem today is that after 7+ years of GOP denigration of Obamacare, many Democrats agree - the ACA didn't go nearly far enough, and we need to start talking about a Single Payer system.

  • one old man Ogden, UT
    July 16, 2017 10:03 a.m.

    What??!!

    Republicans actually work WITH Democrats on something?

    Isn't that unconstitutional?

    Or unAmerican?

    Or Socialistic?

    Or unDemocratic?

    Ah, got it. UnDemocratic. That's it . . .

  • SMIT SLC, UT
    July 16, 2017 9:46 a.m.

    This is a misleading account of the history of the ACA. Hundreds of public hearings. Hundreds of witnesses. Lots of Republican amendments were adopted. If it delivered up a golden pony, none of the Republicans would have voted for it. As soon as it passed their sabotage efforts began. They don't care about their constituents as evidenced by this horrible bill that hurts all of us an the poorest and disabled among us the most.

  • Hutterite American Fork, UT
    July 16, 2017 9:08 a.m.

    The democrats need to stay a mile away from this stinker. Leave the republican fingerprints all over it.
    The republicans are showing no inclination whatsoever to civilised health care; leave it to them.

  • cool47 Saratoga Springs, UT
    July 16, 2017 8:50 a.m.

    YES !

  • Rick for Truth Provo, UT
    July 16, 2017 8:23 a.m.

    In Utah, Obama Care cost per annual is $6700. The deductible is $3000. That means you have to spend $9,700 a year to get $1 of benefits paid by the insurer. How can you call this insurance? With a tax penalty under $3000 and a pre-exsisting clause, what is the point of buying anything?

    We don't want the Govenment to "tweek", ammend, replace, Obama Care! Repeal and get the Government out of our health care. Free market, choice in coverage, nothing more and nothing less.

    I will not vote for any representative that pushes any government plan on the people.

  • LDS Liberal Farmington, UT
    July 16, 2017 8:00 a.m.

    In our opinion: Republicans and Democrats should work together to make tweaks to health care bill

    =======

    Agreed.

    Although making compromises and working for YEARS with Republicans to draft Obamacare,
    Democrats were wrong to ram rod the original through without a single Republican vote.

    Republicans working for WEEKS without most Republicans and without ANY Democrats,
    and ram rodding their plan through is even worse!

    2 wrongs don't make a right.

    Republicans are not fooling anyone,
    this is more about Republican political wins and revenge,
    than it is about what's best for the citizens of this nation.

  • unrepentant progressive Bozeman, MT
    July 16, 2017 6:40 a.m.

    Politically speaking, there is no reason that Democrats should work with the GOP on this health bill. McConnell and his backers on the right made it his business to vilify Democrats for 7 long years over the 'evils' of Obamacare. The demogogery of the right, matched only by the brazen misrepresentations and distortions of our new President, make any reasonable compromises unattainable. And now the DN wants the lamb to lay down with the lion?

    As a matter of public policy, Yes!, the Democrats ought to negotiate with McConnell. Democrats believe in making government work for the people. But how do you work with a party that doesn 't believe that government is a force for good for the common working person?

    Really, DN, explore some of those issues and stop the empty arguments about who should talk to whom.

  • JoeBlow Far East USA, SC
    July 16, 2017 6:33 a.m.

    Lets be honest. Does anyone think that a "tweak" or two is gonna fix the health care issue in the country?

    Lets say that we could make a few minor changes and cap the cost of health care right where it is for 5 years. Are the costs today acceptable?

    There are 20+ very developed countries that do health care better (by WHO standards) and cheaper (by everyone's standards) than the United States.

    Why cant we study those and construct a healthcare system that incorporates the best and minimizes the worst of those countries?

    Seriously. Someone tell me why that doesn't make sense.

    Could it be that a single payer system is the best option? Perhaps. But far too many want to totally discount that concept on purely partisan grounds. They are not even willing to consider it. That makes absolutely no sense.

    Would there be some downsides? Of course. But we have downsides today in our system.

    Why not study them with an open mind?

    Is it possibly that facts and real life solution may clash with your partisan political dogma.
    Why would you not want to openly and honestly study possible solutions that are working in other places.

    What are you afraid of?