BYU will win with a scheme that breaks down/nullifies speed and quickness of the
opponent. Long term commitment by coaches and players to implement such an
approach is required. Looks like this is happening. We will see.Within a
narrowly defined window, this commitment is everything The players must fit or
adjust, not the other way around.
JustGorden- I think if you are patient ther be an article about the U
Gordon, let me explain it to you. Most pro teams run the "pro set."
Interesting, eh!, If a kid wants his best shot at learning the "pro set"
he goes to a college that uses it. If there are only about 6 major colleges
employing the pro set, then those schools will get the best QB's. How many
high school QB's do you think are out there. Now, and this is deep, 2 of
the top rated College QB's are Falk and Mangnum, one plays for pro set WSU
and the other for pro set BYU. These schools are already getting the bests HS
QB's and it's only going to get better.
"You worry about the color of the Pepsi machines and Harmon will worry about
BYU quarterbacks."max-was-arrested:You are the only
one obsessing about the color of soda vending machines at the U. For what
it's worth, they're actually Mtn Dew Code Red color. We can probably
arrange to have one sent down to LES, so players can immediately celebrate
passing through the red zone.
I don't have any problem whatsoever with Tanner's parents being
interviewed for this article.They've followed Tanner's QB
progression since he was a kid, they've had long discussions with numerous
QB coaches along the way, and seem very knowledgeable about the current state of
college QBing.I recall Steve Young's dad being interviewed many
times while Steve was playing for BYU.Neither the Mangums nor the
Youngs are anything like the control freaks that Heaps' parents were.The Mangums and Youngs were both content to let their sons ride the pine
until it was their turn to assume the starting QB role.Detmer and
Sitake both proved last season that they weren't afraid to play whoever
they thought gave BYU the best chance for success.With an
inexperienced OL last year, it made sense to go with the more mobile Taysom,
rather than the better passing Tanner.Detmer adjusted his offense
accordingly, but it's obvious that he'll be running his preferred
offense this year.
re: The pro style works well for Stanford and USC.@AZUTE1"The difference is these 2 schools are working primarily w/4 & 5 star
recruits,"USC and Stanford and Miami and many other programs
have been working with 4- and 5-star recruits for decades, but that hasn't
prevented BYU, with their 2- and 3-star recruits, from producing some of the
best quarterbacks in the country.And, anybody who knows anything
about the game of football, knows that quarterbacks are only as good as the team
that surrounds them.Remind us the last time a Utah QB won the Sammy
Baugh Trophy or Davey O'Brien Award or finished 3rd or higher in the
london_josh: I'm sticking with my point that the "experts" here
are biased. More importantly, Dick Harmon is biased. And to the point of the
article, is Detmer really affecting the recruiting with only one year behind his
belt? Isn't it a bit early to say how much of an impact his coaching has
had on BYU recruiting? And yes, at one time BYU was a "QB Factory," but
that's not been the case since the 1980's, or since LaVell retired.
Let's wait and see after some tenure for Ty Detmer of what his total impact
has been....and I'd rather read some assessment of that by some national
unbiased sports writers, and not some "expert" QB coaches who are
affiliated with BYU.
"The pro style works well for Stanford and USC. "The
difference is these 2 schools are working primarily w/4 & 5 star recruits,
whereas byu is stuck in their annual 2 star bonanza.
I am with So. Cal. Why are we interviewing mom and dad? Their answers should be
"we are really proud of Tanner, we hope he has a great season and can avoid
injury." BYU has had micro-managing QB parents in the past. I laughed when I
saw Feterik's dad critiquing how the equipment truck was being loaded after
a game (of all of the things that you could be worrying about). Heap's
parents were not border line, they seemed full on crazy hyper vigilant,
controlling and protective. Not exactly sure where Mangum's parents are on
the spectrum, but it kind of seems that they are leaning Heap.
Max-was-arrested - springville, UTJuly 13, 2017 8:41 a.m.Just
Gordon, You worry about the color of the Pepsi machines ----------You seem to spend a lot of time worried about Pepsi Machine
colors. What in the World? Give it a rest; it has grown old and tiresome. YGrad/YDadLavel loved to pass, pass, then pass again. It
was an air assault; and a good one. I hope all is well with you my Friend!
Hopefully you are staying cool down in the tri-cities.
The article doesn't address the title of how Detmer's Pro-Style
Offense is going to benefit recruiting, he just makes the claim without any
support. With the recruiting handcuffs that BYU has (this isn't Lavell
Edwards time anymore - athletes are actually held to the honor code), they
should play the offense that fits their talent best (Taysom playing the
pro-style offense was not his forte). Dick acknowledges that this is what BYU
has done in the past when he listed off QBs and those were some of BYU's
most successful seasons in recent years. I understand it's good to have an
identity but at any school, especially BYU, you have to work with what you got.
I would agree with the claim that Ty Detmer being the coordinator helps
recruiting, but I would need to hear some solid arguments on how the style of
play helps their recruiting. Unfortunately, this article doesn't provide
Touchdown Utes,Your argument is that the other QB coaches and
clinics are affiliated with Detmer and BYU. Isn't that obvious? BYU is or
certainly has been a national brand of QB producers.It's who
they have been in the past and who they are.These guys know
BYU's history, which is part of why they were interviewed.
And, yes, the boys on the hill sound mighty, mighty nervous these days.See you in September!
Re: Y Grad / Y Dad - Richland, WA Oh, OK. So, I guess the real quetion is will
Sis. Mangum have the head-set on and coaching from the sideline or the
coach's box? :-) Honestly, I can't wait for this season and seeing
Tanner excel under this offensive scheme. Let's go, Cougs!!
BYU football is PASSING football. Period.If we can win with the
run, I'll take it but I'd rather win with the pass.Go
Insightful story and a good read. BYU needs to be different from the majority
of schools, this helped in the 1970s and 1980s but then the impact lessened when
other schools adopted the pro style. BYU did not fare well when it went along
with all the others with the spread. Sitaki and Detmer are showing why
they're good coaches, they're changing the team to match where success
can be found.
just gordyLike so many comments from our jealous little brothers, U
completely ignore any positives about BYU.BYU has won more Sammy
Baugh Trophies (Nation's Best Passer), than any other school.BYU's offense is coached by a Heisman Trophy winner who passed for over
15,000 yards during his collegiate career, and spent 14 years as basically a
player/coach in the NFL.BYU's offense will be lead by a co-MVP
of the Elite Eleven, the nation's most prestigious QB camp/competition.The pieces are all coming together, and it's obviously making our
friends on the hillVERY NERVOUS!
The spread is successful because you don't need a specialized offense:
tight ends, drop back QB, etc. Easier to recruit for - No. 1: speed. No 2: speed
- but you need to have access to a lot of speedy dudes, e.g. southern states.Stanford, USC, Wisconsin and recently, Washington, have shown the power
of the Pro Set. Why do the pros not use the spread? How many spread QBs survive
more than a year or two in the Pros? Like the wishbone - fantastic offense - for
a while. Pro Set - keeps on keeping on.BYU can renew itself as a QB
factory with the Pro Set. After a long drought, BYU could be in the QB business
again.Time will tell - but I think BYU is on the money.
BYU is much better suited to a pro-style offense than that
go-hard-go-fast-get-hurt offense they used to run. The pro style works well for
Stanford and USC. As long as you have the big boys in the trenches - it works
Just Gordon, You worry about the color of the Pepsi machines and
Harmon will worry about BYU quarterbacks.
Harmon teases potential readers by saying "QB Experts".....but the
"experts" he's citing are both affiliated with BYU.....Riley Jensen
played for both BYU and USU.....Coach Smith runs a QB camp with Ty
Detmer......of course, Harmon's going to say that they're experts in
commenting about BYU's Pro-Style Offense. Harmon should get some unbiased
actual QB expert opinions to cite in analyzing BYU's offense, and not with
"experts" that are somehow affiliated with BYU. And definitely not the
"expert" opinions of Tanner Mangum's parents. C'mon
Dick.....how about researching or interviewing some actual unbiased, objective
experts? A little journalistic basics, right?
This article has a headline that doesn't really tell the reader what the
story is about! Like so many Harmon pieces this is a warm fuzzy one
about how much the Mangum's love how Detmer coaches their son and how
Tanner likes Detmer's coaching style.If the schools named run a
similar offense, our little blue brothers are at the bottom of that list as a
place to play. How that helps recruiting is a mystery that Harmon chooses to
When you live with a qb you, in all likelihood, know the position nearly as
well as the kid.I thought mom and dad's comments lent a nice flavor
to the story. The story, by the way, wasn't a news story but a feature
story. Much more latitude is allowed. I always like Harmons insights.
So. Cal Reader,If you really think about it, with all the camps, the
research prior to selecting a university, the micro-analysis of their son by
broadcasters, sports writers and crazy fans, I think Tanner's parents are
probably pretty expert by now. There's a reason why Lavel
decided to go with this type of offense way back when (and by the way, it was
hilarious to hear Lavel tell the story), and it is exhilarating to hear the
rebuilding of the offense, the pieces to the puzzle being put into place. The opponents are bigger, better, faster (although Miami had to be about
as good as it gets...), and our guys are too, just not as big and fast as the
LSU's and the Wisconsin' of the world. Soon it will be time to find
out if the new old offense will be, as it was before, the great equalizer.
I am looking forward to see the evolution of BYU football. Ty and Tanner are
both playing important parts in that evolution. Go Cougars!
Well, you had me at the mention of "Ty" when he came on, so all is
good.BYU has always had a good QB and usually a good RB, and some
key players - it's getting the entire offensive system that makes this
painful for defenses to defend against. I'd love to see BYU back to the
glory passing days where the QB seemingly had a full minute to release the ball
and everybody including the water boy went out for a pass leaving the defense
dropping into coverage susceptible to a run or short pass and so many
options.If BYU becomes one of about 6 teams playing this game then
it's incredibly hard to defend against BYU's play style.Loving the future of my team because I grew up on plays like that!
This was one of the very rare articles by Harmon that I actually liked. Much of
the article quoted reputable sources. But ...... why the need to quote Mom and
Dad? Those quotes seemed out of place based on the purpose and title of the
article. I don't put Mom & Dad in the "QB experts" category.