Dick Harmon: QB experts say Detmer's pro-style offense will benefit BYU recruiting

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  • Crazy in California Acampo, CA
    July 15, 2017 12:52 p.m.

    BYU will win with a scheme that breaks down/nullifies speed and quickness of the opponent. Long term commitment by coaches and players to implement such an approach is required. Looks like this is happening. We will see.
    Within a narrowly defined window, this commitment is everything The players must fit or adjust, not the other way around.

  • Ldsrm Spanish Fork, UT
    July 14, 2017 12:40 a.m.

    JustGorden- I think if you are patient ther be an article about the U

  • Sanefan Wellsville, UT
    July 13, 2017 6:42 p.m.

    Gordon, let me explain it to you. Most pro teams run the "pro set." Interesting, eh!, If a kid wants his best shot at learning the "pro set" he goes to a college that uses it. If there are only about 6 major colleges employing the pro set, then those schools will get the best QB's. How many high school QB's do you think are out there. Now, and this is deep, 2 of the top rated College QB's are Falk and Mangnum, one plays for pro set WSU and the other for pro set BYU. These schools are already getting the bests HS QB's and it's only going to get better.

  • JohnInSLC Cottonwood Heights, UT
    July 13, 2017 3:58 p.m.

    "You worry about the color of the Pepsi machines and Harmon will worry about BYU quarterbacks."


    You are the only one obsessing about the color of soda vending machines at the U. For what it's worth, they're actually Mtn Dew Code Red color. We can probably arrange to have one sent down to LES, so players can immediately celebrate passing through the red zone.

  • BlueCoug Provo, UT
    July 13, 2017 3:34 p.m.

    I don't have any problem whatsoever with Tanner's parents being interviewed for this article.

    They've followed Tanner's QB progression since he was a kid, they've had long discussions with numerous QB coaches along the way, and seem very knowledgeable about the current state of college QBing.

    I recall Steve Young's dad being interviewed many times while Steve was playing for BYU.

    Neither the Mangums nor the Youngs are anything like the control freaks that Heaps' parents were.

    The Mangums and Youngs were both content to let their sons ride the pine until it was their turn to assume the starting QB role.

    Detmer and Sitake both proved last season that they weren't afraid to play whoever they thought gave BYU the best chance for success.

    With an inexperienced OL last year, it made sense to go with the more mobile Taysom, rather than the better passing Tanner.

    Detmer adjusted his offense accordingly, but it's obvious that he'll be running his preferred offense this year.

  • TrueBlue Provo, UT
    July 13, 2017 3:04 p.m.

    re: The pro style works well for Stanford and USC.


    "The difference is these 2 schools are working primarily w/4 & 5 star recruits,"

    USC and Stanford and Miami and many other programs have been working with 4- and 5-star recruits for decades, but that hasn't prevented BYU, with their 2- and 3-star recruits, from producing some of the best quarterbacks in the country.

    And, anybody who knows anything about the game of football, knows that quarterbacks are only as good as the team that surrounds them.

    Remind us the last time a Utah QB won the Sammy Baugh Trophy or Davey O'Brien Award or finished 3rd or higher in the Heisman voting.

  • TouchdownUtes Salt Lake City, UT
    July 13, 2017 2:41 p.m.

    london_josh: I'm sticking with my point that the "experts" here are biased. More importantly, Dick Harmon is biased. And to the point of the article, is Detmer really affecting the recruiting with only one year behind his belt? Isn't it a bit early to say how much of an impact his coaching has had on BYU recruiting? And yes, at one time BYU was a "QB Factory," but that's not been the case since the 1980's, or since LaVell retired. Let's wait and see after some tenure for Ty Detmer of what his total impact has been....and I'd rather read some assessment of that by some national unbiased sports writers, and not some "expert" QB coaches who are affiliated with BYU.

  • AZUTE1 Mesa, AZ
    July 13, 2017 12:53 p.m.

    "The pro style works well for Stanford and USC. "

    The difference is these 2 schools are working primarily w/4 & 5 star recruits, whereas byu is stuck in their annual 2 star bonanza.

  • Floyd Johnson Broken Arrow, OK
    July 13, 2017 12:39 p.m.

    I am with So. Cal. Why are we interviewing mom and dad? Their answers should be "we are really proud of Tanner, we hope he has a great season and can avoid injury." BYU has had micro-managing QB parents in the past. I laughed when I saw Feterik's dad critiquing how the equipment truck was being loaded after a game (of all of the things that you could be worrying about). Heap's parents were not border line, they seemed full on crazy hyper vigilant, controlling and protective. Not exactly sure where Mangum's parents are on the spectrum, but it kind of seems that they are leaning Heap.

  • Spokane Ute Spokane, WA
    July 13, 2017 12:13 p.m.

    Max-was-arrested - springville, UT
    July 13, 2017 8:41 a.m.

    Just Gordon,

    You worry about the color of the Pepsi machines
    You seem to spend a lot of time worried about Pepsi Machine colors. What in the World? Give it a rest; it has grown old and tiresome.


    Lavel loved to pass, pass, then pass again. It was an air assault; and a good one. I hope all is well with you my Friend! Hopefully you are staying cool down in the tri-cities.

  • BYU Student1 Provo, UT
    July 13, 2017 12:09 p.m.

    The article doesn't address the title of how Detmer's Pro-Style Offense is going to benefit recruiting, he just makes the claim without any support. With the recruiting handcuffs that BYU has (this isn't Lavell Edwards time anymore - athletes are actually held to the honor code), they should play the offense that fits their talent best (Taysom playing the pro-style offense was not his forte). Dick acknowledges that this is what BYU has done in the past when he listed off QBs and those were some of BYU's most successful seasons in recent years. I understand it's good to have an identity but at any school, especially BYU, you have to work with what you got.
    I would agree with the claim that Ty Detmer being the coordinator helps recruiting, but I would need to hear some solid arguments on how the style of play helps their recruiting. Unfortunately, this article doesn't provide that.

  • london_josh lincoln, CA
    July 13, 2017 11:53 a.m.

    Touchdown Utes,

    Your argument is that the other QB coaches and clinics are affiliated with Detmer and BYU. Isn't that obvious? BYU is or certainly has been a national brand of QB producers.

    It's who they have been in the past and who they are.

    These guys know BYU's history, which is part of why they were interviewed.

  • BleedCougarBlue Enid, OK
    July 13, 2017 11:28 a.m.

    And, yes, the boys on the hill sound mighty, mighty nervous these days.

    See you in September!

  • So. Cal Reader San Diego, CA
    July 13, 2017 11:27 a.m.

    Re: Y Grad / Y Dad - Richland, WA Oh, OK. So, I guess the real quetion is will Sis. Mangum have the head-set on and coaching from the sideline or the coach's box? :-) Honestly, I can't wait for this season and seeing Tanner excel under this offensive scheme. Let's go, Cougs!!

  • BleedCougarBlue Enid, OK
    July 13, 2017 11:27 a.m.

    BYU football is PASSING football. Period.

    If we can win with the run, I'll take it but I'd rather win with the pass.

    Go Cougars!

  • Johnny Triumph Salt Lake City, UT
    July 13, 2017 10:57 a.m.

    Insightful story and a good read. BYU needs to be different from the majority of schools, this helped in the 1970s and 1980s but then the impact lessened when other schools adopted the pro style. BYU did not fare well when it went along with all the others with the spread. Sitaki and Detmer are showing why they're good coaches, they're changing the team to match where success can be found.

  • phoenix Gilbert, AZ
    July 13, 2017 10:53 a.m.

    just gordy

    Like so many comments from our jealous little brothers, U completely ignore any positives about BYU.

    BYU has won more Sammy Baugh Trophies (Nation's Best Passer), than any other school.

    BYU's offense is coached by a Heisman Trophy winner who passed for over 15,000 yards during his collegiate career, and spent 14 years as basically a player/coach in the NFL.

    BYU's offense will be lead by a co-MVP of the Elite Eleven, the nation's most prestigious QB camp/competition.

    The pieces are all coming together, and it's obviously making our friends on the hill


  • BlueHusky Mission Viejo, CA
    July 13, 2017 10:40 a.m.

    The spread is successful because you don't need a specialized offense: tight ends, drop back QB, etc. Easier to recruit for - No. 1: speed. No 2: speed - but you need to have access to a lot of speedy dudes, e.g. southern states.

    Stanford, USC, Wisconsin and recently, Washington, have shown the power of the Pro Set. Why do the pros not use the spread? How many spread QBs survive more than a year or two in the Pros? Like the wishbone - fantastic offense - for a while. Pro Set - keeps on keeping on.

    BYU can renew itself as a QB factory with the Pro Set. After a long drought, BYU could be in the QB business again.

    Time will tell - but I think BYU is on the money.

  • 65TossPowerTrap Salmon, ID
    July 13, 2017 9:55 a.m.

    BYU is much better suited to a pro-style offense than that go-hard-go-fast-get-hurt offense they used to run. The pro style works well for Stanford and USC. As long as you have the big boys in the trenches - it works great.

  • Max-was-right springville, UT
    July 13, 2017 8:41 a.m.

    Just Gordon,

    You worry about the color of the Pepsi machines and Harmon will worry about BYU quarterbacks.

  • TouchdownUtes Salt Lake City, UT
    July 13, 2017 8:29 a.m.

    Harmon teases potential readers by saying "QB Experts".....but the "experts" he's citing are both affiliated with BYU.....Riley Jensen played for both BYU and USU.....Coach Smith runs a QB camp with Ty Detmer......of course, Harmon's going to say that they're experts in commenting about BYU's Pro-Style Offense. Harmon should get some unbiased actual QB expert opinions to cite in analyzing BYU's offense, and not with "experts" that are somehow affiliated with BYU. And definitely not the "expert" opinions of Tanner Mangum's parents. C'mon Dick.....how about researching or interviewing some actual unbiased, objective experts? A little journalistic basics, right?

  • JustGordon Salt Lake City, UT
    July 13, 2017 6:06 a.m.

    This article has a headline that doesn't really tell the reader what the story is about!

    Like so many Harmon pieces this is a warm fuzzy one about how much the Mangum's love how Detmer coaches their son and how Tanner likes Detmer's coaching style.

    If the schools named run a similar offense, our little blue brothers are at the bottom of that list as a place to play. How that helps recruiting is a mystery that Harmon chooses to ignore.

  • oddman ,
    July 12, 2017 10:05 p.m.

    When you live with a qb you, in all likelihood, know the position nearly as well as the kid.
    I thought mom and dad's comments lent a nice flavor to the story. The story, by the way, wasn't a news story but a feature story. Much more latitude is allowed. I always like Harmons insights.

  • Y Grad / Y Dad Richland, WA
    July 12, 2017 8:19 p.m.

    So. Cal Reader,

    If you really think about it, with all the camps, the research prior to selecting a university, the micro-analysis of their son by broadcasters, sports writers and crazy fans, I think Tanner's parents are probably pretty expert by now.

    There's a reason why Lavel decided to go with this type of offense way back when (and by the way, it was hilarious to hear Lavel tell the story), and it is exhilarating to hear the rebuilding of the offense, the pieces to the puzzle being put into place.

    The opponents are bigger, better, faster (although Miami had to be about as good as it gets...), and our guys are too, just not as big and fast as the LSU's and the Wisconsin' of the world. Soon it will be time to find out if the new old offense will be, as it was before, the great equalizer.

    July 12, 2017 7:57 p.m.

    I am looking forward to see the evolution of BYU football. Ty and Tanner are both playing important parts in that evolution. Go Cougars!

  • london_josh lincoln, CA
    July 12, 2017 6:32 p.m.

    Well, you had me at the mention of "Ty" when he came on, so all is good.

    BYU has always had a good QB and usually a good RB, and some key players - it's getting the entire offensive system that makes this painful for defenses to defend against. I'd love to see BYU back to the glory passing days where the QB seemingly had a full minute to release the ball and everybody including the water boy went out for a pass leaving the defense dropping into coverage susceptible to a run or short pass and so many options.

    If BYU becomes one of about 6 teams playing this game then it's incredibly hard to defend against BYU's play style.

    Loving the future of my team because I grew up on plays like that!

  • So. Cal Reader San Diego, CA
    July 12, 2017 5:38 p.m.

    This was one of the very rare articles by Harmon that I actually liked. Much of the article quoted reputable sources. But ...... why the need to quote Mom and Dad? Those quotes seemed out of place based on the purpose and title of the article. I don't put Mom & Dad in the "QB experts" category.