Salt Lake laments, Denver celebrates Outdoor Retailer move

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  • Edmunds Tucker St George, UT
    July 31, 2017 8:57 a.m.

    ''organization's biannual events attracted an estimated $45 million in annual direct spending to Utah.'' Is there any way to replace a shortfall of $45 MM a year? Yes, by adding a half dozen medical school seats to the University of Utah. Medical school has $9 million per seat economic impact. Every Year. This would do it. There are about 20,000 MCAT applicants in 2018 who won't find seats in American medical schools, maybe six of them would come to Utah. See The Economic Impact of AAMC-Member Medical Schools and Teaching Hospitals 2008
    - AAMC members equaled over $512 billion.3 AAMC members accounted for more than 3.3 million full-time jobs; this statement means that one in every 43 wage earners in the U.S. labor force works either directly or indirectly for an AAMC member institution. Additionally, AAMC member institutions generated more than $22 billion in total state tax revenue generated through income taxes and sales tax, corporate net income tax,

  • SMcloud Sandy, UT
    July 10, 2017 6:05 a.m.

    The reason that there are groups fighting against the designation is money. It's always about money. It's not really about state's rights. Someone wants to make money off of public land. They donate to legislators and suddenly those legislators think it's a great idea.

    I grew up in Duchesne county and the oil/gas companies make a lot of promises about jobs and taking responsibility for the cleanup that are later broken. But I know people who's wells were ruined and seen the scars on the land that will never really go away. I know the boom/bust cycle of oil/gas which pitches the housing market from crazily expensive to underwater and creates waves of layoffs every time the commodities markets take a downturn. It's a rotten business to be attached to.

    It would be a very wise state to position Utah as the outdoor-recreation mecca. We have taken a step in the wrong direction.

  • Laura Bilington Maple Valley, WA
    July 9, 2017 7:45 a.m.

    @DN Subscriber wrote,

    "We don't try to tell Colorado or California or Oregon how to run their states".

    Interesting that you don't have a problem with the huge amount of out-of-state money that poured into the campaign chests of Ms. Love, Mr. Stewart, Mr. Bishop, Mr. Chaffetz, Mr. Herbert and Mr. Lyman.

    Those "extractive industry" contributions aren't from Utah companies. But the candidates are Republicans, so it's not dirty money.

  • Misty Mountain Kent, WA
    July 8, 2017 4:15 p.m.

    @NewYorker/Utahn writes,

    "If those who run the outdoor show prefer to move to a state that now suffers from poor decisions such as legalizing marijuana, so be it." and

    @ERB writes,

    "I just spent 2 weeks in Denver, and they're in for a surprise. There's lots of conservatives there too. Most places have signs up for no pot smoking."

    We have legalized marijuana in Washington and we don't have signs up for no pot smoking--because you can't smoke in ANY workplace (and public venues and private convention centers are both workplaces). And I'm not sure why you think that legalizing marijuana has resulted in the zombiefication of the populace--it hasn't. The comparatively small percentage of people who smoke pot smoke it at home.

    The same people who smoked pot before it was legal still smoke it. The difference is that the state collects tax money on every sale.

  • ERB Eagle Mountain, UT
    July 7, 2017 7:20 p.m.

    The Wasatch Front is booming to an almost out of control rate. These tree huggers leaving hurt some small businesses in Utah, but no one else will miss them. I just spent 2 weeks in Denver, and they're in for a surprise. There's lots of conservatives there too. Most places have signs up for no pot smoking. Almost everyone in both states is for conservation and preserving the outdoors. But the Vail, Aspen, and Breckenridge area is all about the money. I hadn't been through there for 8 years, and the homes and resorts are taking over the forest. How bout that, did Denver tell you that in their proposal?

  • Happy Valley Heretic Orem, UT
    July 7, 2017 3:31 p.m.

    All those claiming that they will boycott these businesses, it won't matter, can't think of the last time that conservatives boycotted anything and got it to change, mostly because they are all talk no action. You know the way they chide all protesters as evil, lazy, dumb, tools. The last time they protested, it was against the imaginary gun collecting that Obama was going to do....eventually, but he didn't and the NRA made suckers out of most of our state.

    Not to mention with your absolute hatred for natural places, open spaces and and public land, I doubt very much many of you spend time in the outback, unless you can drive through it.

  • Johnny Triumph Salt Lake City, UT
    July 7, 2017 12:43 p.m.

    @impartial - you brought up the $100M number, not me. If you meant $1B in the first place then say that upfront.

  • Lone Eagle Aurora, CO
    July 7, 2017 10:33 a.m.

    Downtown Denver is a zoo in the best of times (even the Zoo is in the down town area). While I much appreciate all the tax revenues this kind event brings to the state, I have one more reason not to go down town when this event is taking place.

  • carman Wasatch Front, UT
    July 7, 2017 10:14 a.m.

    Good riddance. I have already stopped purchasing goods from a couple of the companies that were most vocal against the good people of Utah, and who have advocated more Federal control over our state.

    p.s. The ODR deserves what it will get in moving to Denver. Denver is much further from great mountain biking, hiking, rock climbing, skiing, etc. than Salt Lake is. Maybe they went to Denver for other reason? Legalized marijuana for the lefty lib C-suite folks and employees who are "vacationing" at the ODR show? I reiterate - good riddance!

  • jsf Centerville, UT
    July 7, 2017 10:11 a.m.

    Dear BSR; The out door retailers only provide a source of revenue for a few days, With Amazon, UPS, and other businesses coming into the state, revenues are booming year round. Just these two businesses alone will pay more in direct wages than the ODR brought in with indirect income.

    You have to take a picture of the whole, not one little piece of the whole.

  • libertarian Cedar City, UT
    July 7, 2017 10:01 a.m.

    "Protecting and nurturing ", a euphemism for restricting and closing.

  • JWB Kaysville, UT
    July 7, 2017 9:55 a.m.

    It is sad to see the loss from the ODR moving to Colorado. We took down the Zion curtain for tourists and now a significant number are gone to Colorado where drinking and drugs are more prevalent for tourists. Federal government is not bad. They provide balance to the state as the state does to the federal. The GOP since 2010 has not provided much to the State or to the Federal processes. Bears Ears

    July 7, 2017 9:13 a.m.

    I'm sorry for the few, small businesses that will be negatively impacted by ODR's move, but most of these retailers are elitist snobs with 99% of employees and contractors making low wages, some still under horrible conditions while they charge outrageous prices for their goods. I long ago gave up Black Diamond merchandise and never purchased Patagonia items. Just because you can afford something doesn't mean you should waste money on over-priced goods.

    I also think that Bears Ears should be a national monument, although a little smaller with different rules could be appropriate.

    Outside of pollution, the biggest outdoor issue right now is not national monuments, but National Park Service funding, which Trump has proposed cutting! How can we protect and maintain national parks with cuts to the NPS every few years?

  • 65TossPowerTrap Salmon, ID
    July 7, 2017 9:05 a.m.

    "We don't try to tell Colorado or California or Oregon how to run their states"

    After Prop 8 - the citizens of California may disagree with that statement.

  • 65TossPowerTrap Salmon, ID
    July 7, 2017 8:59 a.m.

    Colorado has better outdoor recreation opportunities anyway, unless you have a thing for brine and algae.

  • Brave Sir Robin San Diego, CA
    July 7, 2017 8:29 a.m.

    Remember when Outdoor Retailers announced they were leaving, and all the conservatives said "we don't need them - we'll fill their spot with a different convention". Well guess what? I just checked the schedule...and there are no meaningful conventions in town during the time when Outdoor Retailers would have been here.

    A conservative prediction that ended up being 100% wrong? I'm shocked!

  • Zabilde Riverdale, UT
    July 7, 2017 8:01 a.m.

    Goodbye and good riddance. Every year they complained about needing more space different laws etc. This was just the reason they used as their excuse to leave. Well they can enjoy driving 3 or 4 hours to the nearest ski resort to demo their gear in the winter.

    Bears Ears needs to be undone, doing so will not unleash the extraction industry on it. They weren't trying to extract from the region before the announcement, why would they rush in once it's revoked. It won't be turning the land over to Utah, we have no claim on the lands they will remain BLM lands managed for multiple uses not just locked up for tourism.

    We will quickly replace the lost revenue. Our economy is booming. And we don't take to being blackmailed.

    Goodbye and good riddance!

  • DGA28 Monticello, UT
    July 7, 2017 6:39 a.m.

    Create 3.3 million acres of monuments in Colorado, it would have reacted the same as Utah, in fact any state would have.

    The outdoor industry feeds at the public trough more than anyone. They admit without public lands they would not exist so naturally they spread false and misleading information to protect their livelihood. They pay nothing for the use of the public lands. The only users who get it for free.

    "Sell out to extraction industry?" Funny, the environmentalists and outdoor industry did whatever they wanted on the public lands, and having just discovered it think it is pristine. Locals have known about it for 150 years and kept it pristine. Make it a monument and limit what people can do and outdoor folks say you can do more. What? Goback to the way it was before and now you can't do what you did before . What? The extraction industry just waiting at the door? They haven't been waiting at the door for 50 years and it isn't coming back. The opposition is not about extraction it is about locking the land up for use by a single group of people.

  • Diligent Dave Logan, UT
    July 7, 2017 1:28 a.m.

    I regret, too, seeing this Outdoor Retailing association go elsewhere. But I do not change my principles for money. That reminds me of a story a retail professor at the "U" liked to retell.

    A man asks a woman if she would sleep with him for a Million dollars (I think they kinduv made a movie of this). She ponders it for a very long time. Finally, she replies in the affirmative.

    Afterwards, the same man offers her $50 for the same proposal. She replies, "What do you think I am?" He replies, "We've established that, now we're negotiating".

    Because Utah political leaders did not like the national government arbitrarily imposing it's will on the whole state, and opposed the tying up of a million & a half acres for the Bears Ears Monument, in no way implies we are anti-environment. It means we are men, no longer acting like mere boys.

    We need not pickle the whole state for mostly people who don't even live here. We need the Federal govt to gradually, but greatly relinquish it's stranglehold on our Utah's land. With 2/3 of the state owned & controlled by the Feds, we're merely a colony with a few votes in congress, that's all!

  • DN Subscriber Cottonwood Heights, UT
    July 6, 2017 10:49 p.m.

    Never give in to blackmail.
    If the trendy lefty crowd likes Denver better, let them go do their show there. Utahns voted for our officials who have taken stands Utahns support. We don't try to tell Colorado or California or Oregon how to run their states (although they would be a lot better off if they emulated our ways).

    Good riddance.

  • esodije ALBUQUERQUE, NM
    July 6, 2017 9:57 p.m.

    Outdoor retail is going the same way as retail in general, and a lot of the manufacturers will be gone in ten years, too, when all the fads driving demand for overpriced outdoor apparel and equipment have died down.

  • Myrtle III Draper, UT
    July 6, 2017 9:14 p.m.

    Impartial7 continues his slanted, blinder focused rhetoric. Thanks Herbert, Hughes, Noel, etc. for backing up the votes of the people, despite the pressures of this business. What true courage. The people elected these men to be pro business and sometimes that means tax breaks for Amazon, they were also elected to protect our lands, and sometimes that means telling Black Diamond to take a hike. We don't let people push us around unless we have a really good reason.

  • Utah Girl Chronicles Eagle Mountain, UT
    July 6, 2017 8:30 p.m.

    @ Johnny Triumph

    "$100M is just a drop in the bucket anymore."

    Maybe so if you're in the NBA. But the impact of $100 million in a state of three million people cannot be that easily dismissed, sorry.

  • Orem Parent Orem, UT
    July 6, 2017 7:55 p.m.

    Don't let the door hit you on the way out.

  • red.diehard Central, UT
    July 6, 2017 7:50 p.m.

    Who cares?
    Good bye and good riddance.

  • Utah born in NC Arden, NC
    July 6, 2017 6:09 p.m.

    Slippery tricky slope when you mix politics with capitalism. Called picking winners and losers. Trouble is politics can be finicky at times. Political rules change, capitalism is a harsh task master. Businesses beware.

  • geekusprimus Little Elm, TX
    July 6, 2017 5:55 p.m.

    And yet, the University of Utah and BYU were respectively ranked #1 and #4 in the country for fostering tech startups and innovations, businesses are happily establishing corporate offices here, and Utah is frequently ranked as one of the best places in the country for business.

    Did you already forget about the enormous housing shortage and skyrocketing property values?
    No? What about the 3.2% unemployment rate? The high quality of life compared to cost of living? The highest chance of moving out of poverty in the nation?

    Businesses are flooding into Utah so fast that they can't throw up enough houses to meet the demand for workers moving in. If Utah's reputation for a "lack of tolerance" and "extremism" is hurting it so much, it sure isn't showing.

  • Impartial7 DRAPER, UT
    July 6, 2017 5:41 p.m.

    @johnny triumph:
    "@impartial - $100M is just a drop in the bucket anymore. 30 years ago conventions like the outdoor retailers mattered to the health of Utah's economy; today it matters a lot less."

    From a May D-News article-
    "A report authored by the Kem C. Gardner Policy Institute at the University of Utah stated that tourism grew 12 percent from 2011 to 2015, with visitors spending a record of nearly $8.2 billion and generating approximately $1.15 billion in total state and local tax revenue."

    The ODR group greatly influences tourism, which is Utah's number one economic driver. Many tourists come here to ski, climb, hike, kayak, etc. Many of these people have a social conscience and disapprove of Utah's attack of Federal lands and their acquiescence to the extraction industries that trash our unique beauty. Utah politicians will vote to raise our taxes to cover their losses caused by their political stance.

  • NewYorker/Utahn Provo, UT
    July 6, 2017 5:26 p.m.

    While I'm all for protecting our natural resources, federal overreach is what started this problem. We do not need the federal government to determine what is best for our state, period. If those who run the outdoor show prefer to move to a state that now suffers from poor decisions such as legalizing marijuana, so be it.

  • Johnny Triumph Salt Lake City, UT
    July 6, 2017 4:50 p.m.

    @impartial - $100M is just a drop in the bucket anymore. 30 years ago conventions like the outdoor retailers mattered to the health of Utah's economy; today it matters a lot less.

  • Prometheus Platypus Orem, UT
    July 6, 2017 4:42 p.m.

    Yeah Utah, doesn't need your clean money, we'll get some oil and coal conventions to replace their uppity clean state nonsense. How dare they voice their opinion that public lands should stay public, when they should be sold to the highest bidder.

    School Trust Land, the only time you hear conservatives in this state even bring up education. Too bad they already sold off half of their inheritance for one time profit. By the way the SITLA got more land than they lost in the GSENM, and there are more grazing permits than are being used, but why lets facts get in the way of hating open space and coveting the "private property" signs of other states.

  • Utah Girl Chronicles Eagle Mountain, UT
    July 6, 2017 4:39 p.m.

    @ Commenter88

    "I happen to know the CEOs of several companies you mention."

    I happen to know several of these CEO's parents. They all have told me they raised their boys and girls to take principled stands, to appreciate the beauty of Mother Earth, and to not allow politicians who have sold their souls to mineral and oil extraction conglomerates to stand in the way of doing what their heart tells them is right.

  • InMyOpinionAlso sandy, UT
    July 6, 2017 3:57 p.m.

    Ba Bye!

    I'm glad we will not allow them to inflict economic blackmale on us. DN needs to publish the retailer's names like REI that support these "progressive" ideas that destroy morals, health, and spread false facts. I for one am glad they are gone. Their supposed money doesn't end up in my bank account anyway.

  • Commenter88 Salt Lake City, Utah
    July 6, 2017 3:45 p.m.

    First, the figure of $45 million is an overstated number that is put out by the marketers of the show who have a massively vested interest in inflating it. This is not about lost sales tax on equipment; it's about hypothetical spending in the hospitality industry. Utah is not suffering in this regard, and is in fact stretched to the its physical service limits, in this booming sector.

    Second, the Bears Ears Monument may very well remove much more money from our public education by its seizure of all the School Land Trusts with in the monument. Again, just how noble is it to steal educational funds from the poorest educational state in the US and which will disproportionately affect rural schoolchildren? These are not the moral people they claim to be.

    Third, there is at least as much evidence of lost revenue of all the concessionaires and suppliers of recreation that cannot sell to those who would have otherwise enjoyed now-forbidden activities in monument designations.

  • prelax Murray, UT
    July 6, 2017 3:43 p.m.

    Utah leaders stand on Bears Ears was in direct conflict with the outdoor retailers market base.

  • Commenter88 Salt Lake City, Utah
    July 6, 2017 3:35 p.m.

    @Impartial7: I happen to know the CEOs of several companies you mention. They do not feel the way you do and love having their business in Utah and in Utah's culture. You do not speak for them.

  • Commenter88 Salt Lake City, Utah
    July 6, 2017 3:32 p.m.

    Thank goodness this out-of-state special interest group that helps to sell expensive fashion and trendy gear to the leisure class and to self-perceived elitists is getting out of the state.

    The organizers of this event have vested interests in inflating the numbers regarding its impact. But the truth is that the economic impact of their weekend in Utah is wildly-hyped marketing. Remember, this is a demonstration event, not a sales event wherein we would receive sales tax dollars from the equipment sold.

    Our hotels and hospitality industry is already thriving and booked solid. We don't need groups that disdain and disparage our culture and it will be a relief to be rid of their over-magnified voice complaining about Utahns who care about their land-use rights. If being "progressive" means smearing and besmirching peoples hoping to retain some local control of land use where the live in favor of seizure by out-of-state special interests, coastal bureaucrats, and lobbyists, then we should be glad to admit that such a label does not apply to us.

  • Impartial7 DRAPER, UT
    July 6, 2017 2:59 p.m.

    Plus, Utah leaders don't seem to be able to learn. They ran off the Outdoor Retailers. Wait until Utah manufacturers like Black Diamond, Salomon, KUHL, Ogio, Rossignol, Scott, etc. leave Utah. These international companies employ thousands and generate over $100 million to Utah's economy. This Monday, Mike Noel offended them and their customers by calling them "rock lickers, tree huggers and bunny lovers" when he blamed them for the Brian Head fire (not a true statement). Utah thrives on tourists and outdoor activities. And Utah's extreme politicians are running them off.

  • Roboteacher West Valley City, UT
    July 6, 2017 2:36 p.m.

    "Politics matter"....... In this case, probably not (surprised? - me too). If you have followed news and business going on's with the Outdoor Retailer show then you know they had stretched Salt Lake City's convention resources to their limit. The Outdoor Retailers purchased the Ski and Snow Board show last winter to integrate into their larger show. The result is a convention larger than Salt Lake City was capable of handling. They were planning on leaving Salt Lake anyway...they just used politics as the convenient answer of why......

  • FT salt lake city, UT
    July 6, 2017 2:03 p.m.

    "The organization's biannual events attracted an estimated $45 million in annual direct spending to Utah."
    That's direct revenue. Indirectly, there are millions more of lost revenue. All for a worthless, irrelevant proclamation. Our Governor and legislature really blew this one and deserve to be publicly lambasted.

  • Impartial7 DRAPER, UT
    July 6, 2017 1:57 p.m.

    Thanks Herbert, Hughes, Noel, etc. A huge loss to Utah's small businesses that cater to that convention. On one hand, the governor wants to give millions in tax breaks to attract big business to expand in Utah. He fails to understand that Utah's political rhetoric is a turnoff to many companies and their employees. Utah has a growing reputation lack of tolerance and extremism in its politics and laws.