I have seen pot ruin lives. I have seen it turn decent people irresponsible,
socially disconnected and lost. And then it takes years to recover if they find
the will. Other people seem to do well when using it. I know opiates destroy
lives too but it is the talking past this that is frustrating;People don't
want to admit that pot can harm people. It affects people very differently.
Some people do fine, but to pretend it is always harmless seems to me to be
naive or disingenuous. Until I hear the other side admit the potential dangers
of pot and have an honest discussion, it will be hard for me to enter into a
meaningful discussion with them because of what I have seen.
Plants like marijuana and poppies grow practically everywhere; I can't help
but think that, contrary to the propaganda we've all been deluged with,
these are actually gifts from a loving God to His children to help make life
here in earth a little more tolerable. Say I suffer from anxiety: I
can go to my doctor and ask to be prescribed Xanax or Klonopin (both powerful,
addictive anxiolytics), or I can go to a dispensary and buy as much (or as
little) marijuana (a powerful, possibly-but-not-necessarily addictive
anxiolytic) as I choose. Why do I need the doctor anyway? I know what anxiety
feels like. I know how much relief I want. I know WHEN I want relief. And the
fact is, I know more about anxiolytics than most doctors. My
husband suffers from a neurological disorder that's painful and
debilitating. My son suffers from Tourette's. If pot will help manage
their symptoms, how is it somehow WORSE than using a cocktail of benzos?
Because there might be a "high" involved? Believe me, drugs prescribed
by doctors have plenty of "high". Give us control over our
own bodies! Let us manage our own pain and other symptoms ourselves if we
My mother suffered greatly from cancer prior to her death. The amount of pills
she took was staggering to relieve her pain. Medical Marijuana would have easily
been more effective in treating her pain then handfuls of morphine pills, (not
to mention helping her appetite). This is where I and the church (or State of
Utah) differ. If someone is dying of cancer, leukemia or a tumor, wouldn't
it be far greater to ease their suffering than fistfuls of morphine pills? Are
the majority of states wrong, (29 have legalized medical marijuana) to allow
medical marijuana? Are we allowing our religious beliefs to influence what
common sense tells us should be allowed? Who is it hurting to allow critically
ill patients to ease their suffering? Our sense of morality? I for one think
this is a norm, we as Utahans, can change with a simple vote.
The more research thing a a US specific issue. US research has been officially
agenda-driven restricted. The University of Mississippi is the only
source of marijuana permitted to be used for research. I cannot help but wonder
how much they can produce on their 12 acre farm. How much can be harvested for
research? How many varieties are available? How many variations in
horticultural methods are in use? The ability to do research is
seriously in need of having the shackles removed.
I have not read through all the comments, but as a member of the church I find
this whole subject fustrating. Why? Isreal approved this for medically decades
ago and the medical research is so extensive overseas. They use marijuana in
medicated lotions for Neuropathy overseas and use whole plant enemas for cancer
treatment.Are we so arrogant to believe that just because the US FDA
controls the substance that other nations and scientists have not been light
years ahead of us.Back in Utah in the meantime members are popping their
pain pills made with heroin based narcotics acting like they do not have a
serious problem. I am sad for those kids with siezures or cancer whose parents
are HAVING to move to Colorado to find doctors to treat them. Medical refugees
who want to beat brain tumors are happening. People are leaving their homes
because of BAD propoganda and misinformation.
Making marijuana legal would remove the risk of buying it on the street, in a
park or dark alleyway. Joe Rogan said it best: "Prison is for rapists,
thieves, and murderers. If you lock someone up for smoking a plant that makes
them happy, you're the . . . criminal." I couldn't agree more.
The church, the government, and other people need to mind their own business.
This is not a "moral issue" (why is everything in Utah assigned a
morality value?), and the church ought to stay out of it. Let the science and
medical professionals (not the government either, btw) determine the medicinal
value of cannabis. In the meantime, it ought to be recreationally legal. To say
it again, it's nobody's business.
"More study" is a delaying tactic. Disturbing since lds scriptures, and
all Christian scriptures are very clear that God created all plants for the use
of man. To see the lds church essentially parroting the prohibitionists at
FDA/DEA, is wrong on so many levels.
What continues to boggle me is the attacks by some, offense by another, and
insistence by yet others that the church either remain out of politics or
science or whatever. They speak as though there is some unstated, yet universal
rule about what a church should be, or how it should act. Honestly, doctrines
or policy or beliefs of a particular religion may well define *its own*
restrictions and boundaries, but there is no "natural" or universal
standard by which religions should behave. Who would dictate such standards,
other than God, but that's already questioned by many who argue against the
church. Anyone who demands that the church restrict on what it comments
publicly--especially to the point of demanding it stay mute--essentially becomes
of themself some kind of over-godly entity who self decrees the ability to
control other people and their religion and their churches. So now we're
supposed to bow to a new god that limits what religions and churches can do and
say in the public square? Hmm... that begins to sound rather like... well... a
prophet(?) Ironic, to say the least.
I love DN comments; sometimes as interesting as the article. Interesting,
Many here claim that the Church's position is superfluous because "the
research is all there." Marijuana is still currently illegal in the United
States (federal law, although unenforced, takes precedence on this matter), the
United Kingdom, France, Japan, and many other countries, and was only recently
legalized for medical purposes in places like Germany and Mexico. I find it
highly unlikely that the supposedly enormous body of medical research regarding
marijuana is conclusive in the slightest once you consider how difficult it is
to perform research on an illegal drug. Everything even marginally reputable I
read states that there is some limited evidence supporting marijuana's
medical uses for things like certain forms of cancer, pain relief, and certain
eating disorders (the munchies are well-documented among marijuana users, so I
doubt this one needs much verification), but the research for the 99.9% of other
mystical uses people claim either isn't there, is inconclusive, or
hasn't been successfully repeated.In other words, the Church is
correct when it says that the research needs to be done before any decisions are
When will the Mormon church remove itself from the political lives of its
members? When it involves itself it puts a strain on some its members'
In Colorado they have quite a bit of public advertising for abuse and treatment
for drug users. Recreational brings in a lot of non-Coloradoans. Benefits For
Thank the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints for their part in
defending truth and law and order. They have a right and responsibility to live
up to Doctrine and Covenants section 134 for us.
Stay out of it there is no science in religion.
I know, from personal experience, it genuinely works to alleviate some very bad
side effects from chemotherapy. It was unbelievably inexpensive in comparison
to the drugs I was being prescribed that didn't work as well. It should be
available as a prescription in pill and smoking form, BUT it should remain
illegal for recreational use. Where recreational use is concerned,
let's wait 6 or 7 years and see how the Colorado experiment turns out.
From what I'm hearing, the results are not going well if you're an
employer.I am conflicted about one thing; The cost for a
prescription of marinol, which is the prescription form of marijuana is $300.00
per week, my entire cost for twelve weeks worth of illegal marijuana was $50.00,
or $4.16 per week. I even had some left over which I gave to someone who was
also undergoing chemo and has since died.Keep it illegal - but the
cops should use discretion and look the other way for true medical usage. That
keeps an option available to people without a lot of money.
The LDS Church owns and invests in many businesses. Can anyone out there tell
me if they own any pharmaceutical companies or are invested in them?This needs to be put to a state wide referendum. One for medical and one for
recreational use as well. Let the people decide! Lets have freedom to make
our own choices in this world. Which faith we decide to follow or not follow is
a freedom we should have, and not have it forced upon us by the religious
leaders of the biggest church in the state.Right now the GOP is
claiming they are going to deregulate the insurance market to make sure people
have more affordable choices - bull-loney.
Medical usage quickly becomes de facto recreational legalization. If it is to
be legalized for medical use then it should be prescribed only by specialists in
areas where there is strong (double blind studies) evidence showing actual
benefit. Only pharmacies (not dispensaries) to distribute.
The same people that think drinking tea will keep you out of heaven want more
research on medical marijuana? That's funny. They could, you know, look at
the plethora of research already out there and the thousands of case studies and
the thousand years of history of its use, but no. We need "more".
More study on Medical Coca-Cola should be next...
I love the Church and have served in many leadership postions over the years. I
understand the reason for thier caution. However, what most people fail to
understand is that large pharmaceuticals are the number one fighter against
medical marijuana. Why, so they can charge outrageous amounts of money for the
synthetic marjuna called Marinol. Marinol is legal in Utah and a simple Google
search proves that Marinol is manmade THC. The very thing that so many are so
afraid of. A monthly supply of Marinol cost approximately $1200 a month.
Medical marijuana is free if grown by those who so need it. I took part in a
study after having a stroke that UCLA sponsored. The findings showed that
injested medical marijuana was better in all areas than Marinol. Including being
safer because the patient's system assimilated it into their body at a more
constant level. I hope the hype is soon replaced with what is needed by those
who suffer needlessly while some pharmaceuticals increase their bottom line!
It really has been "studied" to death. Look, I'm not crazy about
it, but we've gone from one extreme (making it illegal, prison time, etc)
to now the other extreme. It isn't hard to see the long-term effects of
marijuana usage: lethargy, little drive to improve one's life (since
you're zoned out), couples splitting up because the husband is too lazy
(high) to get (and keep) a job. It's not brain surgery to figure it out.
However, it is a trend that is not going to reverse. You can do all the studies
you want, and delay, delay, delay, but our culture has changed, good or bad. I
don't think the Church should be involved in this at all. Let it go.
I spend most of my time in states that have some form of legalized marijuana.
One interesting statistic is that most prescriptions are written for young men
between 21 and 29. Most prescriptions are written on Thursday and Friday. This
issue does not mean marijuana does or does provide any benefit, but speaks
volumes to another possible "prescription abuse" issue that is on the
horizon. Why do the marijuana advocates fear testing? Why fear Mormon church
leaders who advocate for a well thought out and scientifically proven testing?
Is that not the responsible approach? Yes, there are some who have great
stories of the benefits, but the only real evidentiary studies suggest great
harm for the young. Take the counsel and proceed with caution.
And who is the LDS Church? No seriously.....So when the Mayo Clinic publishes
something one assumes that it is backed by medical professionals, scientist and
such and we take counsel in their research as it is backed by reputation and
science and research. The LDS church is a bunch of men making or trying to
impose their morals or beliefs on the public. Don't like gay marriage,
don't marry a gay person. Remember when the LDS church thought that would
bring down society, it hasn't. Hate, judgement - that brings down society.
If cannabis oil stops a child's seizures - maybe that is God's plan.
He created the plant after all right? Stop talking about the LDS church like
they are a person or any kind of reputable source on the subject. They are not!
Tobacco is a legal product that any adult can buy. This despite all the proven
health risks of smoking. I am much more concerned about tobacco use than
someone who uses marijuana prescribed by a a licensed physician. The hypocrisy
on this issue is ridiculous. If someone is terminally ill and wants to use
marijuana in the privacy of their home I say leave them alone and stay out of
it. Not my business or concern.
The church has already established that it does not support following the law in
the issue of illegal immigration. For this reason I take this as advice and
opinion, not doctrine. Both issues involve people doing what they can to
survive what life dealt them.Every member I know who has personal contact
with someone who has had a legitimate need for medical marijuana supports
legalizing medical use. I know good solid members here in Utah who are
currently breaking the law for relief. There is a ton of research so that
argument can be laid to rest. I have seen it save the lives of friends and
family. This reminds me of when Utah voters cast the deciding votes to
end prohibition against the advice of the brethren. They may want to seriously
revisit this issue as they are deeply at odds with good solid members on this.
I am grateful I do not personally need it as following the law in important to
me so I would have to leave the state. Some of my family live outside of Utah
for this reason.Meanwhile our state in the name of money is looking at
liberalizing liquor laws, a drug I have never, ever seen anyone benefit from.
If Marijuana wasn't first recreational I think the states would not be so
hesitant to legalize for medicinal purposes. Most people are completely
comfortable will all sorts of synthetic drugs which cause huge societal
problems, but as soon as a natural herb is considered then everyone gets up in
arms. Huge pill problem but let's perceive pills in a more lofty matter.
To kaysvillecougar -First off, where are you getting your
information that cannabis is more harmful than tobacco? This is completely
false. I would like to see the studies you are referencing that show this,
because I can name several, from reputable organizations like the NIDA and the
NIH that say the opposite. Secondly, how hipocritical is it to say that
pro-cannabis people are ignoring the negatives, when people like you ignore all
the positives?Third, and most importantly, even if cannabis was every bit
as harmful to a person as you say, why do YOU and people like you have the right
to tell people whether they can or cannot use it? Nobody is making you use it if
it is legal, so why is it your business if other people choose to use it? It is
not the business of the LDS church or the government to tell patients and their
doctors how they should treat their medical conditions. Please, study more on
cannabis. If you look at the evidence objectively, you will see that cannabis is
a blessing, not an evil.
I applaud the church for it's reasonable stance on this issue. It's
interesting that there are so many who are willing to ignore the many negative
side effects of marijuana and treat it as a cure all. This kind of deceptive
rhetoric isn't helpful in finding answers to society's problems.
Don't any of you "pot pushers" find it ironic that we have so many
emotional anti-smoking campaigns and yet pot is hailed as the cure all despite
being more harmful than tobacco. Please, let's use reason, science and
research to find answers.
Just to help everyone have a bit of clarity in marijuana, whether it is medical
or recreational. Marijuana is illegal in every state. The Federal laws do not
allow medical or recreational use of pot and DEA can shut down any
'supposed' legal shop. In this situation, the Feds override the
States. Saying that, some parts of marijuana may, and I emphasize
may, have medical use. But it does need more research. Again, the Feds have
not allowed much in medical marijuana use. The use and dosage is unknown, more
research does need more time.
Passing the ballot initiative is the best way to get the research that the LDS
church is seeking. The only movement in the legislature is toward study of one
highly refined marijuana based medication from GWPhaaceuticals. The trials seem
to be going well and have showed promise. The question becomes. Why
make patients pay $1500/month for an FDA approved therapy when an array of
quality tested artisanal cannabis products from a dispensary have the same
effect and cost a fraction. Along with being good clean-living test
candidates for the effectiveness of cannabis therapy, Utah residents would hold
every job down the line in a whole new industry. Currently
employers are losing good employees because of marijuana testing. Data actually
shows better work attendance where medical marijuana is available and a survey
of actual users of legal marijuana show that they are higher earners than the
To the Deuce -If someone uses cannabis and causes an accident or
harms another person in any way, they should be held accountable, just like
everyone else. The problem is using excuses like traffic accidents to keep a
substance illegal, even when it Is used responsibly. Cell phones, screaming
kids, and all sorts of other things also cause traffic accidents, yet nobody is
calling for any of these things to be banned. We only ban texting while driving,
not in all circumstances, so why is cannabis looked at differently? Because it
has been deemed "evil" by so many people in the government, religion,
and society as a whole. Also, if you look at the data from states with legal
cannabis, DUI and traffic accidents have gone down, youth use has stayed the
same and even dropped slightly in some legal states, and opioid deaths are down
25%, so the "safety" argument is invalid anyway. Using the children and
safety as an excuse to keep cannabis illegal is just a scare tactic, and has no
basis in fact.
To those who are asking the church to "butt out", they aren't
butting in. They are sharing their opinion and counsel, the same way you and I
have the right to do so in these comments.As for the church's
statement I think it is wise to know all the facts and every angle when
considering the legalization of a drug that is currently a schedule 1 under
Federal Law. That being said, I've seen the positive effects, especially
for terminally ill patients, of medicinal marijuana. And the side effects are
far less dangerous than that of opiates from what has been observed, but making
an argument for marijuana solely based on comparisons to opioids is a "two
wrongs don't make a right" argument. Isn't it wise to evaluate a
drug thoroughly before adding it to an already addictive med regimen?To the person who said "deal with, that's what they did in the old
days", your understanding of the history of medicine isn't accurate. In
the old days no prescription was required for codeine, heroine, or opium...you
could buy it at Sears and Roebuck for crying out loud. It was the opium crises
in "the old days" that spurred the drug laws of today.
Light and Liberty - What did people do for pain a century ago? They bought
heroine and laudanum, cocaine and even cannabis in patent medicines (and even in
soda form) over the counter. Do a search and read some of the ingredients that
even cough medicine used to contain, you will be amazed. There was never a time
that people didn't seek medical relief from pain.
Calling for a clear, evidence-based policy on cannabis/cannabis extracts is the
right policy. It is in agreement with medical science and the FDA. The LDS
Church gets credit for stating the obvious. Relying of anecdotal reports and
marijuana advocates' desire to make recreational use legal is not in the
best interests of society.
To: Danielson - West Jordan, UT - While I do agree with your comment indicating
that the LDS Church may not have the most scientific standing to comment on the
research related to use of medical marijuana, I do take exception to your
comment "What OTHER people do with their bodies is none of your
business".There are consequences to taking these types of
medications that can have an impact on others, such as impaired driving. I agree
with the medical use to help people. I don't agree that the so called
"free agency" is without consequences.
In rocket science we say "In God we trust, all others bring data". The
LDS leadership is wise in suggesting that medicinal use of marijuana come with
data, testing and trials. If the data is there for legalization of
medicinal uses of marijuana then let's get congress to allow FDA testing,
even put it on a fast track. With as much data as is said to exist it should
not be difficult or take too long. Let's verify with empirical
data the significant medical uses marijuana has, what compounds are medicinal,
and what dosages are appropriate. Then by all means let qualified doctors
prescribe and pharmacists dispense to help those truly in need. Let's
avoid the effort to provide for those who want to go to the "wink, wink
doctors" that advertise and give prescriptions in other states for those who
have a hang nail or for whom it takes more than 5 min to fall asleep at night.
First of all Israel has 70 years of research 200.000 pages on the benefits of
medical marijuana. Secondly Utah now is surrounded by states that have
legalized it recreationally so therefore Utah has a problem there is thousands
and thousands of pounds of marijuana in Utah right now for sale it's easy
to get easy to use and pretty soon we will be able to go to the Border towns of
Utah and Nevada Utah and Colorado Utah and Arizona to purchase said marijuana
and bring it back to Utah just like many of us have done with alcohol to avoid
the price and the church cut for 50 years. If Utah does not Legalize It for
medical or recreational soon are jails will be full and our taxes will go up to
build new jails and hire new police officers to patrol the borders of these
State's next to Utah.
Mormons who live in 29 states with medical marijuana programs can use the drug
and remain in good standing, even though the programs violate federal law. However, members living in a state like Utah cannot use it and remain in
good standing because using it would violate state law.In other
words, the Church is OK with members who violate federal law but not with those
who violate state law. It's a states-rights position. Long
live the sagebrush rebellion.
Serious question - why is a church involved in what medications physicians can
prescribe to their patients?
The LDS church is so quick to cry "religious persecution" anytime they
do not get their way on issues, but they have no problem persecuting people they
do not agree with. What OTHER people do with their bodies is none of your
business. You do not have the right to apply your religious beliefs to everyone
in the state. The LDS church has every right to voice their opinion, but we have
every right to point out their hypocrisy and misinformation when we see it. What
happened to free agency? What happened to love and empathy? Would Jesus lock
people in a cage for using cannabis to treat medical conditions?
Redshirt,"To "strom thurmond" what about all of the research
showing that coffee is bad? It has been linked to coronary disease."Thanks for asking. I'll refer you to the American Heart
Association:"Many studies have been done to see if there's
a direct link between caffeine, coffee drinking and coronary heart disease. The
results are conflicting. This may be due to the way the studies were done and
confounding dietary factors. However, moderate coffee drinking (1–2 cups
per day) doesn't seem to be harmful."I encourage you to
review the literature on the benefits of coffee in the areas of colorectal
cancer, Alzheimer's disease and, in particular, liver disease.I'll remind you many Mormons drink caffeine (the suspect in heart disease
causation) via less healthy vehicles which lack any of the benefits of Coffee.
This has been one of the most studied herbs in the world over 22,000 studies
have already been performed by many organizations around the world. Also include
statistics like 0 recorded overdose deaths and the fact that it has been used by
man kind for over 6000 years. The Federal government has given states the option
to legalize cannabis if they so choose to. If you do not feel that cannabis
would be an appropriate use for a qualified medical condition then simply choose
to not use it. For care givers like myself that has a child who suffers with
seizures all of the studied and approved FDA medications have failed to control
the seizures. Cannabis on the other hand does for which he has a state of Utah
cannabis card to use. Yes Utah already has a medical cannabis program. Patients
and Doctors are tired of the state dragging there feet to expand the option to
other patients to be able to use cannabis as a treatment for there medical
needs. Doctors and Patients can make an informed decision for their medical
needs. Cannabis has been studied for decades. Dragging out the benefit of
cannabis treatment in Utah will cost patients their lives and quality of life.
I have three points to make:1. Science. Some time ago I was on an
NIH panel tasked with evaluating "lead" compounds for further
development into medicines. Among them was a natural compound traditionally used
in Chinese medicine. My opinion, as well as the study section consensus was that
thousands years of routine use constitute a strong presumption of safety. No, it
is not totally rigorous, but it is sufficiently strong to be recognized by,
after all, professionals.2. "Look who is talking":2a. Do I need to remind the story behind ephedra supplements, and the valiant
defense of this industry by Utah politicians? I am unlikely to be convinced that
this happened without the church's approval.2b. Without opposition
form the LDS leadership, Utah has become the nation's antidepressant
capital. Antidepressants are, by definition "psychoactive drugs", but
just happened to have received an official recognition, in spite of their known,
sometimes serious, side effects. I once saw a cop on duty, stoned with Zoloft or
something similar. 3. Now we are an Alzheimer's capital as
well, and there is a causative link with the coffee prohibition. Was that
prohibition smart and informed?
@NoNamesAccepted"I've had greater peace and increased
understanding knowing I'm not at odds with inspired counsel."The problem, of course, is when the counsel is uninspired. Leaders make
mistakes, even in doctrinal matters.I agree with this comment:
"Allow those now prescribed opioids and other drugs for pain to be
prescribed marijuana if the patient finds that it is more effective for
alleviating their pain." We need to stop being so indifferent to the pain
@Silver Stingray "What business is it of the church to think it has a
right to pontificate on medical matters?"--------What business is it of uninformed voters who don't know the Constitution
from a hole in the ground to speak about or vote about an issue?The
asnswe is that your average Joe who knows nothing about medical marijuana or
about the Constitution or about what is good for society has the right to form
an opinion and the right to vote (assuming he/she meets the legal requirements
to vote) . So therefore does the LDS Church. Like you and I, they
have the right to free speech and the right to express an opinion publicly,
contrary to the opinions of some with Leftist political leanings. Besides it has
already been pointed out that leaders of the LDS Church have expertise in both
legal and medical professions, making their opinion even more note-worthy.
Though I do not disagree with the wisdom of their comment the truth is until the
Federal Government reschedules marijuana the FDA will not get involved and I do
not see the Federal Government changing that unless the states get involved by
passing state medical marijuana laws. This initiative 1. Does not allow for
smoking marijuana 2. Limits what can be prescribed for and how many can
received a prescription for medical marijuana 3. Has strict guidelines for
people who can apply for a dispensary. All has been done to make this a
responsible medical marijuana law that will benefit patients and keep them from
having to be criminals in order to find the relief they can get from a much
safer medicine that opioids.
Why does the headline have PARTNER above it? Shouldn't it say, OWNER?
Also, when was the last time someone died from smoking to much weed? Never.
Safer than Ambien, Xanax, Oxy, Lortab, AND THE ZION CURTAIN.
If the church wants to exert their political pressure, they should start paying
taxes on all of their income.
There is a high number of job applicants at our firm, especially interns, that
are required to take a drug test. Federal mandates are the the standard, this
includes marijuana. Thus far this summer, 5 applicants have failed the drug
test and were rejected, including children of senior managers.
So dumb. 29 states and DC allow it. What does the "Church" think they
don't know? Plus, who cares that they think what they think. STAY OUT OF
To "Rubydo" the church isn't imposing anything on anybody. They
are saying maintain the FEDERAL law until we better understand if marijuana
actually can do what people claim and we understand the risks involved.Would you recommend that people use Marijuana if one of the side effects was
bi-polar disorder or pancreatic cancer later in life?To
"Ranch" if you want the church to "stay out of areas that
aren't their area of expertise" then will you do us the favor and do
the same? You are not a medical expert, so you should not comment any more.
There are many topics which you are not an expert in, yet you comment. Why stop
the church giving its opinion? It is almost like you hate the LDS church and
want to silence it at all costs.To "strom thurmond" what
about all of the research showing that coffee is bad? It has been linked to
The problem with wanting more 'study' is there is sometimes the FDA
seems politicized, and susceptible to pressure from the big pharmaceutical
companies which profit from selling addictive opioids and have successfully
stigmatized MJ over the years.In my own family I saw my mom get
hooked on pain medicine after a car accident and struggled with that for years.
The pills masked pain to the point where cancer went undetected for years until
it reached stage 4 and it was too late to save her. My
sister-in-law had a stroke two years ago and was in a vegetative state for
months. The doctors ran out of ideas on how to help her after using every
possible drug and therapy available. My brother became aware of a CBD-based
cream developed by researchers in Colorado and was able to get some for her. Within hours of applying it to her arms she began improving
dramatically. Within a few days she was talking and interacting again. A few
weeks later she was out of the wheelchair and walking and now is back home back
to her original self. This has been a miraculous experience to witness.
It's also much cheaper than the convalescent center and the pills approved
by the FDA.
Sounds like an attempt to stall the inevitable.
The excuses for poor choices are amazing. Let's just legalize everything!
That's fine, but don't ask anyone to pick up the tab for people that
become lifetime addicts to excuses for any kind of drug use. What did people do
a century a go? They just dealt with it! People can live with pain! Why is it
that in the 21st century we have become a nation that believes that you can
solve all of your problems with a pill and a prescription? Big Pharma is just
waiting for the next big thing!
"The difficulties of attempting to legalize a drug at the state level that
is illegal under Federal law cannot be overstated," Hawkins said.
"Accordingly, we believe that society is best served by requiring marijuana
to go through further research and the FDA approval process that all other drugs
must go through before they are prescribed to patients."Finally
a rational, intelligent take on marijuana. I'm impressed the Church sees a
potential benefit from the herb cannibas. I think there is untapped benefit and
would love to see the study de-politicized/
So now medical research matters. What about the irrefutable,
rigorous scientific research showing the benefits of coffee consumption?Meanwhile I see my colleagues exodus to the soda fountain several times
a day to down 32oz of sugar and caffeine to start their day. Sad.
Thomas,"The difficulty with this position is that, currently,
federal law does not authorize "research" for substances which federal
law makes illegal across the board. "Absolutely correct.The church knows this and is using this as a cop out. That way they can
say "don't vote for this" without directly taking on the issue, and
giving the impression of an open mind.
Church counsel is on target. Marijuana is illegal even if the state says it is
OK. It is a Class one drug at the Federal level and until that changes use of
it is illegal. All this energy and resources should be put into changing the
Federal law, not the state.
What business is it of the church to think it has a right to pontificate on
I am an active and strongly believing member of the LDS Church. And I support
the brethren.Legalizing medical marijuana may cause mire harm upon
society in general than the benefits gained by individuals, overall.But, I believe that, while seeing the great benefits medical marijuana (my
daughter carefully studied both what types of marijuana might be most beneficial
for her daughter; as well as looking at the reputation of medical marijuana
dispensaries to guide her in choosing the most appropriate marijuana product for
her child.Prescribing either smoking or ingestion of any kind of
marijuana for medical purposes, in my opinion, would not be wise at all. I don't know how much there is in the way of studies of marijuana
for its medical benefits that have been published. I don't know if there is
a great need for more primary or more for secondary research that is already out
there.I think the challenge is to figure out how to best allow the
use of marijuana for medicinal purposes, without making it more of a means for
the recreational use of that very potent plant.
Frankly, my experience is colored by the fact that I used to be a cop. My
interactions with pot smokers was never good. I saw that weed turn otherwise
normal people into blatant fools. The worst and most dangerous fight I ever had
with a suspect was with a gentleman high on weed and nothing else (we got his
blood tested to see if anything else was involved). He got busted on his way
home from a fireside after being turned in for putting on a wild west show in
the middle of a cul-de-sac after dark.There needs to be research
done. Just taking anecdotal stories that someone's pain was minimized
isn't enough for me. There may be useful compounds within hooch that may
be of benefit without the THC. That needs to be found out and tested. Big
Pharma ought to see this as another money making opportunity and should be
leading the way.I'd trust the brethren way before I'd
trust most of the respondents on this board. The fact they even put out this
announcement means to me that they are informed on the issue.
It's been studied to death. The LDS church should stay out of legislation.
Calling for more research seems like it would have been a more appropriate
request, say 30 years ago. Making the request now seems like a delay tactic, to
avoid the issue.How about a request for more studies on the vaccines
that are being forced upon the people. There is more research on the
risks/effects of marijuana, than has been done on many of the vaccines that are
approved by the FDA.There may be a couple conditions for which
marijuana, or its byproducts may treat, for most conditions that it is being
taken it is purely palliative; It does not treat but only relieves symptoms.
Many people now prescribed opioids for pain relief, may benefit from marijuana
which is less addictive, and does not have the risk of death from overdose. What needs to be studied is how to control distribution and use of
medical marijuana. Allow those now prescribed opioids and other drugs for pain
to be prescribed marijuana if the patient finds that it is more effective for
alleviating their pain.
@Ranch.Among the senior most leaders of the LDS Church there are 2
doctors and 3 attorneys (one of whom was a former justice on the Utah Supreme
Court). They probably at least know some things about those fields. They are
maybe not the world's leading experts, but let's face it, neither are
any commentors on the DNews comment boards. In fact these men probably know much
more on the topics of pharmacology and jurisprudence than many of us.
Last June one of our grandchildren, a girl, died just a few weeks overturning
age 4 due to brain cancer. Though her life was cut short by this disease, it
wasn't handstand made longer by her parents use of medical marijuana that
both increased her appetite, and made her grow quickly after chemo treatment,
where she had skin sagging on her skinny behind, and her ribs and skinny neck
showing.I have no doubt that this true medical marijuana helped her
put on weight, so she had something to fight cancer with, and also decreased the
seizures that she had.That said, I see lots of hazards in legalizing
medical marijuana. I would almost bet that many cases of medical marijuana use
might easily become not much different from mere recreational use, especially
among some teens and adults. Or rather, I believe that recreational
use might be greatly increased in the state by legalizing medical marijuana.This said, I I am afraid of Utah becoming another Colorado or Washington
State. From what I have scene about the legalization of recreational marijuana
these states has become a pandemic of big problems in both of them!
The literature also shows many benefits of cannabis. Although the brain may be
adversely affected in younger people, cannabis has been shown to improve memory
in the elderly, for instance.Cannabis is a plant, an herb. It can
therefore be used as food and/or as a drug. Limiting cannabis to the definition
of a drug restricts its potential."[All] wholesome herbs God
hath ordained for the constitution, nature, and use of man" (D&C
89:10).The herbs and foods God has provided are for our health.
There are many proper usages of plants, including cannabis, that promote health.
Promote health sufficiently with food and you can cure disease.Health and medicine are interwoven. Many variables contribute to the
effectiveness of cannabis and each person responds differently. Additional
research is indeed needed, and smoking is indeed detrimental. But what is also
needed is the freedom to exercise one's agency in its use. For centuries,
cultures have been using cannabis for health. Every American should likewise be
free.Watch "The Sacred Plant" documentary series for
in-depth discussions and personal examples of success in the successful treating
of many diseases with cannabis.
Churches should stay out of areas that aren't their area of expertise.
Stick to religion and stay out of the medical and legal arenas please.
Smoking marijuana that comes from who knows where, with a random and
uncontrolled amount of THC in it is like taking the lid off an aspirin bottle
shaking it and swallowing whatever happens to fall out for a headache. I.e.,
not the smartest thing to do. That is one of the reasons the FDA says it has no
"I came to the conclusion I needed to heed church counsel even when I
didn't like it, even when it conflicted with my well thought out views,
even if it seemed not to be how I understood some gospel principle or passage of
scripture."Until one can differentiate between church counsel
opinion and guidance from above, I totally disagree with this logic. If one
believes in "divine revelation" that is one thing. But I have yet to
hear someone tell me when counsel is opinion or word from above.How
often have we hard that leaders "are just human and prone to mistakes"
when history refutes counsel?Blindly following is unwise "when
it conflicted with my well thought out views"
"This discussion raises legitimate questions regarding the benefits and
risks of legalizing a drug that has not gone through the well-established and
rigorous process to prove its effectiveness and safety." The difficulty
with this position is that, currently, federal law does not authorize
"research" for substances which federal law makes illegal across the
board. To get such research underway will require a great deal of political
will and much fortitude, because as things stand now, most proposed research
regarding marijuana is routinely denied. That must change.
Since this isn't church doctrine, I don't feel at odds on this. My
only question is, what do they need more research on. Is it the oil that helps
people, is the material which can be made from the plant, or is it merely the
smoking of marijuana. There are many uses for the marijuana plant, it just
depends on how it is used. That is something I want to have spelled out.
Research has already show the oil from the plant is very helpful with no side
affects. And the material that can come from the plant is much stronger than
what we have today. Smoking of marijuana is the obvious one. So I am not
completely understanding of what they need research on.
I recently spoke with a woman in Portland, Oregon who works as a mobile medical
marijuana distributor. I asked her what conditions medical marijuana was being
used to treat. I thought her answer was ominous. She said, "It would be
simpler to ask, 'What conditions can't it treat?'" This
delusion that it can be used to treat anything and everything I think is part of
the problem. I agree with the Church that the responsible approach is to
properly vet its medicinal use like any other drug. To succumb to the
anecdotal testimony of a few enthusiastic users could risk the health of many
The National Library of Medicine in Maryland is the world's largest
biomedical library and the developer of electronic information. They have done
many studies, dating back to the early 80's. I fully agree with
the use of the oil, but not the plant. I've seen the oil work miracles,
but have seen no proof that the chemical that produces the high is needed. I hope the "further study " is not just a stalling tactic, and
that honest study will take place.
The church needs and should let people use their agency especially for those
that live in this state that aren't of the LDS faith when it come to
marijuana because thats what the war in heaven was all about. We all know
where the church stands on the word of wisdom so there's no need to impose
it on others in the state.
If marijuana is going to be used like a drug and written in prescription form by
doctors it needs to undergo the same testing that all drugs go through by the
FDA. Why should this "drug" all of the sudden be legalized without
rigorous testing to determine its effects ?
I was taught that men are that they might have joy - how can someone have joy or
fully serve while dealing with chronic pain, or any of the serious conditions
potentially treatable by cannabis? My grandmother was bedridden for
nearly 15 years, and unbeknownst to us or her, completely addicted to opioid
pills prescribed by her doctor. Everything she loved was taken from her,
especially her ability to serve as an active member of the LDS church. She
eventually died of cancer, never finding any relief from her pain until death.
We should not judge or prevent those seeking relief from serious disease.I don't think the statements by the church are in an effort to
encourage voters to oppose the ballot initiative. Members in states that allow
medical cannabis can hold temple recommends and use cannabis for medical
treatment. And, I certainly don't believe the LDS church would ever
encourage its members to not follow medical recommendations to find relief from
serious disease. Anything can be abused, that's why I
don't support recreational laws. I understand using caution and best
practices, but the patients I know aren't trying to get high, they are
trying to live normal lives.
Love your comment, NoNames. It shows both maturity and faith, a good
combination in today's complex world.
In states where Marijuana is legal the Opioid crisis is less severe. As a Latter Day Saint who has lost several neighbors, friends and a family
member to overdose I feel like we need to get studies done as quickly as
possible and make it legal to use Marijuana in a medical setting.Drug addiction is everywhere. It hits the inner city and suburbs alike. The
people I knew were good, hard working and kind and got started with opiates
after surgery and athletic injuries. They had children and families and jobs.
Within 5 years they were dead. What a waste.
On this issue it isn't doctrine. They want more research. Question is why
aren't they looking to what medical marijuana is, the oil. Research is all
over the place and has been for years. Even the Indians proved there
isn't anything wrong with it. What are they trying to research about
medical marijuana anyway? That is something they haven't specified yet
and I doubt they will. Even though they the church leaders want to have more
research done, that is fine with me but I would still sign the petition.
Unless this is actual doctrine, I am signing it. Nothing wrong with using
myself as part of research however that won't happen, I don't need it
but there are a lot of people who do. When the church puts out a
statement like this, I have to wonder what are they wanting to research about
marijuana. Is the oil that helps or people smoking it, or the material which
can be made from the plant. That is my only question to them. What are they
Well balanced and wise counsel here from the Church.
I am glad to hear this. My oldest son was blown up in Iraq. After about 18
months, he was "fixed up" well enough to serve in Afghanistan for a
year. He got out and is 40 % disabled with injuries to his lungs and the bone
structure on one half of his chest and shoulder. All the Veteran's
Administration has for him are opioid pills. I too, am a disabled vet (100%)
and no longer can use the tens unit they gave me for use on my knee (2
surgeries), back, and replaced shoulder, because I am now the proud recipient of
a pacemaker. Guess what the VA has for me. That's right, opioids. I have
been "John Wayneing the pain" for years. Be nice to have something that
would not turn me into an addict to take the pain away.
Statements such as this from the LDS church are not released without the
approval of the first presidency and quorum of the twelve. It is well and good
for active LDS to raise their hands a few times a year to indicate they will
sustain these inspired church leaders.But the rubber hits the road
when counsel from the church conflicts with our personal social, political,
economic, or cultural beliefs. I've been there. I've had
that personal disagreement with church counsel on matters legal, polotical, or
social. I struggled.I came to the conclusion I needed to heed
church counsel even when I didn't like it, even when it conflicted with my
well thought out views, even if it seemed not to be how I understood some gospel
principle or passage of scripture.I've had greater peace and
increased understanding knowing I'm not at odds with inspired counsel.I still don't understand or even like every policy or counsel that
conflicts with my previously held views. But there is great spiritual safety
and strength in faithful obedience.Sustaining is about far more than
raising a hand.