Letter: Wind energy

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  • AGF Taylorsville, UT
    June 20, 2017 8:56 p.m.

    Warren Buffet makes a lot of money on windmills by way of government subsidies: "In 2014 he explained: 'I will do anything that is basically covered by the law to reduce Berkshire's tax rate [. . .] We get a tax credit if we build a lot of wind farms. That's the only reason to build them. They don't make sense without the tax credit.'" (see "The Hill," "Iowa wind farm generates more tax credits than electricity," By Grant Kidwell - 10/06/16)

    Another thing, Iowa is the windiest state in the Union: its net production divided by name plate capacity is abnormally high at 32%, which can be compared to Utah's at 4% ("Source: Wind Nameplate Capacity for 2014 based on generator information in Form EIA 860 Annual Electric Report. Download combined data table (Excel).")

    Holland gave up its windmills in favor of steam power, with no tax credits offered by Big Steam. Wind power is mostly a con job, fomented in this case by a bunch of local activists who don't know squat. --AGF

  • What in Tucket? Provo, UT
    June 17, 2017 10:14 a.m.

    Usually you can figure wind and solar without subsidies are about 5-10 X more expensive than coal. Natural gas is a little higher than coal. Removal of toxic emissions from coal is not expensive. CO2 is not a toxic emission. Vehicles, trains, buses, trucks could all go to natural gas easily, save money, have longer lasting engines, and virtually no emissions.
    The Sun causes climate change. We can't do anything about it.

  • libs think what??? Salt Lake City, UT
    June 17, 2017 8:56 a.m.


    is the govt writing checks to oil & gas producers, ir just providing tax relief?

    the former is a handout, the latter is not.

    but let's run with that, shall we? end any type of govt incentives, subsidies, rax breaks, etc. to ALL energy sectors, and let the markets play out.

    calling people who do not agree with you cave-dwellers, close-minded, repressives, and uneducated is really offensive.

    get polited

  • marxist Salt Lake City, UT
    June 17, 2017 12:29 a.m.

    I don't know what percentage wind power accounts for in Texas, but the view of wind farms of south central Texas have to be seen to be believed - massive.

  • The Educator South Jordan, UT
    June 16, 2017 11:07 a.m.

    @ high school

    Actually, the facts show that big gas receives far more handouts than solar and wind combined.

    Vernal can continue to stick their heads in the sand and base their entire economy on fossil fuels. Just don't come complaining to me when I'm wealthy and living comfortably in Salt Lake because I took advantage of technology and innovation while you're whining about poverty and jobs in some trailer park in a desolate part of the state. The option is open to all regressives, either embrace technology and innovation and live like people in Afghanistan, and continue in tribal warfare and poverty.

    Get Educated

  • high school fan Huntington, UT
    June 16, 2017 10:14 a.m.

    Mr Educated certainly could use some education. Do you all not realize what oil and coal is used in manufacturing everyday goods? Do away with it and see where you end up.
    Wind and solar are only good alternatives because of the heavy subsidies by the government. Fossil fuels contribute and solar and wind ask for donations.
    The environmentals want coal-fired power plants to go away and when they get their way, they will then go after the gas-fired power plants. and by the way they still want dams to go away so rivers run free. No Lake Powell, No electricity made, No water storage for Vegas and California. Back to the stone age I guess.

  • The Educator South Jordan, UT
    June 16, 2017 9:41 a.m.

    @ Vernal

    that's why people living in your neck of the woods are struggling with poverty. Open up your minds and get educated. In cities there is an incredible amount of science, technology, and innovation that is changing our lives. I suggest that before you doubt or discount these innovations, you first seek to understand them. Perhaps if Vernal embraces technology rather than cling to its past, it might actually see an economic boom rather than perpetual stagnation?

    Get Educated

  • Baron Scarpia Logan, UT
    June 16, 2017 6:49 a.m.

    Iowa's wind success centers on two points: One, a large agricultural community that wanted to diversify into energy to keep its energy dollars in the state to benefit its residents rather than go out of state; and two, a renewable energy standard (RES -- legislation requiring that certain amount of electricity come from wind/renewables) implemented by GOP Gov. Terry Branstad in the 1980s that was quite far-sighted in recognizing how a law could create domestic economic opportunities and jobs.

    Branstad became governor again in the 2000s, and he's now Trump's ambassador to China. There's a documentary involving Branstad entitled, "Scaling Wind," where he brags about all the jobs his RES created for Iowa, and he declares that America should have a national RES. Let's hope he promotes that while Trump is still in office.

    The real irony in Utah is that the state buys most of its wind power from Wyoming... just over the border. Guess which state is getting the jobs for that?

  • Allisdair Thornbury, Vic
    June 15, 2017 6:55 p.m.

    @Vernal grandma - Vernal, UT

    I'm having a difficult time trying to figure out how wind and solar are going to power the big semi trucks that deliver the food that we all eat to survive.

    It has been predicted that within 10 years 75% of vehicle movements will be autonomous, that is no active human driver involvement. These vehicles will be either all electric or hybrid.

    On farm automation is growing rapidly with GPS controlled tractors and harvesters. Autonomous weed sprayers that selectively spray weeds.

    If you have troubles with this concept - 10 years ago no one had a smart phone now 90% of my ward carry one instead of scriptures and manuals.

  • Vernal grandma Vernal, UT
    June 15, 2017 5:51 p.m.

    I'm having a difficult time trying to figure out how wind and solar are going to power the big semi trucks that deliver the food that we all eat to survive.

  • Impartial7 DRAPER, UT
    June 15, 2017 4:55 p.m.

    "How long?"

    As long as the fossil fuel industry keeps "donating" large amounts of cash to our "leaders".

  • cjb Bountiful, UT
    June 15, 2017 4:42 p.m.

    We are getting more wind every year and solar too. But the sun doesn't always shine and the wind doesn't always blow.

    We need coal as one source of reliable power. Natural gas is cheap now, but it may not always be. We need multiple sources.