Greg Bell: We expect too much of government. It can't solve every issue

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  • Jayson Meline Chubbuck, ID
    June 17, 2017 12:21 p.m.

    Benjamin Franklin stated, "Only a virtuous people are capable of freedom. As nations become more corrupt and vicious, they have more need of masters."

    I believe in limited, but smart government.

    Unlike Republicans, I understand regulation, legislation, and litigation are due to corporations and business owners who don't abide by virtue. The GOP uses the principle of limited government as an umbrella issue to facilitate oligarchy.

    Democrats believe in choices without consquences. We must be obligated by government force to bear the consequences of the choice of others, even if it violates one's conscience. Democrats believe in enablement as opposed to empowerment.

    Both parties do not believe in moral agency. They infringe upon agency by co-opting the true principle of freedom to veil agendas to achieve the opposite.

    To borrow from Joseph Smith, government should be an institution to promote equally important and true principles; and then let people govern themselves.

    However, this requires a culture of charity, personal responsibility, with shared and non-coerced stewardship.

    The realist in me sees we don't have a culture that can support limited government.

  • LOU Montana Pueblo, CO
    June 17, 2017 8:29 a.m.

    Our government takes care of a lot on ungrateful people, most of them are very well-to-do because of the government. Ask them to give back in taxes and they have a fit.

    Total lack of appreciation!

  • GingerMarshall Brooklyn, OH
    June 17, 2017 12:07 a.m.

    "The recent tussle over bathroom use by transgender people..."

    Wasn't an issue until the Obergefell decision legalized same sex marriage. The religious right's anti-gay political machine needed a new cause, the restroom issue became, with much hysterical misinformation, that cause.

    Trump has overturned hundreds of Obama regulations... to what end? So streams can be filled with coal ash again? So banks are less regulated? So the sick can't get care?

    We need government to protect us from people like Trump.

  • Utefan60 Salt Lake City, UT
    June 16, 2017 1:22 p.m.

    Bell's article was simplistic and defected the real reason why he wrote it. He is a lobbyist for the Health care industry that his party, (GOP) is trying to bolster. His party is on the verge of destroying health care availability for over 23 million US citizens, yet he advocates less intrusion? That has never worked and the middle class suffers under this simplistic and dishonest GOP approach.

    One issue that he raised that frankly shows a dishonesty that permeates the GOP. This was the "transgender bathroom issue". That was a mean spirited attempt by the GOP to marginalize a group least able to defend themselves. It showed the dishonesty of the GOP and their flagrant and sickening discrimination of a minority group. That was never an issue until the GOP needed to promote discrimination yet again.

    Mr. Bell, it is far more likely that Republican leader will do something inappropriate in a bathroom than any transgender. (There are no transgender arrests ever for this). That has even been the case several times with GOP leaders being arrested in Airport bathrooms, or even here in Utah soliciting sex from an undercover officer.

  • JoeBlow Far East USA, SC
    June 16, 2017 8:52 a.m.

    I would contend that you could get rid of the vast majority of regulation is you held people personally liable for their decisions.

    Corporate leaders very seldom go to jail, yet without regulations many will go to any lengths to increase profit.

    If we start penalizing the decision makers rather than the stockholders, the need for regulations would diminish greatly.

  • marxist Salt Lake City, UT
    June 16, 2017 8:38 a.m.

    @IAlaw "Government should be limited to only that which is necessary to protect the individual in his or her natural rights."

    The natural rights dogma ignores market power, i.e. assumes individuals and corporations come into the market with equal power. This is nonsense.

  • IAlaw Malvern, IA
    June 16, 2017 8:07 a.m.

    Bell is absolutely correct. People, conservatives and liberals alike, need to stop viewing law and government as if they were a magic wand. Government should be limited to only that which is necessary to protect the individual in his or her natural rights.

  • John Charity Spring Back Home in Davis County, UT
    June 16, 2017 7:29 a.m.

    Greg Bell is absolutely correct. Far too many look to the government as the great provider.

    Indeed, that is emblematic of the entitlement mentality that is so common amongst young people today. They think that they are entitled to have the government provide them with their every want and need, simply because they exist.

    America is not meant to be just another European-style, post-Christian, socialist state in which the government is looked as the provider of everything. America is far more than that.

  • 65TossPowerTrap Salmon, ID
    June 16, 2017 7:16 a.m.

    How special - a health care lobbyist is telling us what is wrong with America. I've got an idea - lobbyists are what is wrong with America.

  • Capsaicin Salt Lake City, UT
    June 16, 2017 3:13 a.m.

    It's simple. People with low standards want legislated morality. Because they choose to not be responsible for their own low standards of behavior. Enormous taxation and entitlements and excessive legislation are the end result of low standards.

    Greed instead of generosity. Vice instead of health and savings. Loss of self-respect, misery and depression instead of true happiness. Loss of direction and purpose instead of choosing the higher ground. And people are so engrossed in this behavior they dont even realize what the source of their unhappiness is.

    Until the entire goal of everyone's existence is to seek to ease the burdens of others. First by not being the burden and second through charity, then we as a society will have become as Christ has intended it.

  • christoph Brigham City, UT
    June 15, 2017 10:46 p.m.

    Yet it gave Mr. Bell big pay checks, and yes we do recall when Mr. Bell and Governor Herbert didn't "know anything" about someone getting 13 million dollar gift from tax payers for losing out on a contract. When the Democrat Peter Corroon, running against them, brought this up, they said he was being 'negative'.

  • george of the jungle goshen, UT
    June 15, 2017 10:03 p.m.

    If ya have a half a glass of water, which is it? Half full or half empty. If it's on the empty side you'll want more. There is never enough. Give thanks for what ya get.

  • pragmatistferlife salt lake city, utah
    June 15, 2017 10:02 p.m.

    Mr. Bell.."The recent tussle over bathroom use by transgender people shows us that given the delicate issues of privacy and gender identity, the law simply cannot settle the issue to everyone’s liking. "

    Absolutely right..but it can settle the issue so that the rights of the disadvantaged are protected..of course conservative will be unhappy with this.

  • marxist Salt Lake City, UT
    June 15, 2017 9:07 p.m.

    Mr Bell, typical of conservatives, ignores what is happening with capital, international corporations which can whipsaw labor at will. Labor used to have somewhat of a voice, but organized labor has been crushed as per the wishes of capital. So labor, that is working class people, now have nowhere to look for relief besides government.

    Business compromises government. An example is the ACA instead of medicare for all, for which I advocated to no avail. Medicare works. But the Democrats had to assuage the insurance biz and the rest of the medical industrial complex in order to expand coverage, a worthy goal but left a mess.

    All of this is happening against a backdrop of fantastically concentrating wealth and income. Conservatives will not examine distribution. Because they are embarrassed by it, or because they don't understand it?

    Government is the only hope of the working class. I wish we had other alternatives.

  • Tekakaromatagi Dammam, Saudi Arabia
    June 15, 2017 8:54 p.m.

    I am a socialist, I have a dream of a classless society without poverty. However, realistically, socialism in the 20th century was and is a dismal failure. From Stalin's gulags to the Sendero Luminoso to Dominique Strauss-Kahn taking a pass at a hotel maid. At best socialism was incompetent. At worst it was treason.

    But the dream is still there.

    Forget the fools and worse who want to make people be good. Be good. Live within your means so that you have the resources to help others. Volunteer. I learned a lot by tutoring teenagers in the poor parts of towns or going into youth detention centers to tell stories.

    During the riots in Missouri several years ago over the death of a young man who was shot by police, someone said, "The government is not going to do it for us. We'll have to do it ourselves."

  • Hutterite American Fork, UT
    June 15, 2017 8:08 p.m.

    It can't solve every issue. It can, however, solve health care. Just as it does across the rest of the industrialised world.
    We only seem to see government as an enemy, yet it is us.

  • screenname Salt Lake City, UT
    June 15, 2017 6:19 p.m.

    Yeah, impartial, because federal agencies can be trusted to be ethical, unlike Utah agencies.

  • Impartial7 DRAPER, UT
    June 15, 2017 5:10 p.m.

    "At some point, the effectiveness and reach of the law ends, and the goodness and wisdom in each heart must take over."

    Greg- there's a reason that so many Utah agencies are under Federal investigations. If Utah politicians and department managers conducted themselves ethically and with "goodness and wisdom", we'd be fine. But, until then, we need Federal government regulation and oversight.