Zinke to discuss Bears Ears interim report today

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  • Edmunds Tucker St George, UT
    July 29, 2017 12:49 p.m.

    Remember this article from the Deseret News. Gov. Gary Herbert to President Obama: Let Utah run national parks. Oct 8, 2013. "The unwarranted shutdown of the national parks and other federal facilities is devastating individuals and businesses that rely on these areas for their livelihood," Herbert wrote in a letter to President Barack Obama.
    Lee added that "public land becomes very unlike public land when it is closed by people who arbitrarily say, 'Because of a shutdown, we’re going to exclude you.'"
    Noting that the National Park Service reopened the National Mall in Washington, D.C., for a rally Tuesday

  • 2 bits Cottonwood Heights, UT
    June 13, 2017 9:49 a.m.

    @FT,
    Number of comments isn't an indicator of where the general public (or majority) are on the subject. That's even worse than using a poll, which at least tries to find a random sample of general public (not the activists).

    Think about it...
    Isn't a radical, activist, or somebody really passionate about Bears Ears more likely to take time to submit a comment on the plan? (hint... yes)

    # comments submitted would naturally disproportional support the plan, or anything promising restrictions.

    Of course you get more comments from activists and people who are very passionate about Bears Ears debate rhetoric. Not from the general public.

    People who get breathless at the very mention of Bears Ears are not the majority of the population, but they probably are the majority of the comments sent.

    Does that not make sense to you? It does to me.

    Now your statement makes sense. If you assumed the number of comments represented the general public (not disproportionately activists, and people supporting government and restrictions).

    A vote would be more accurate in identifying where the general population majority is. Better than just counting comments sent by activists.

  • kigalia ,
    June 12, 2017 5:32 p.m.

    Fortunately, In situations like this we are a republic of sovereign states, not a mobocracy, or in this situation not a democracy. There is a reason this nation has a Constitution to delineate the role of the Federal Government, States, and Citizens. Those most affected by a decision should have a stronger say in that decision. As for polls, and surveys, and other similar statistics. "There are lies, damned lines, and statistics," Mark Twain.

  • FT salt lake city, UT
    June 12, 2017 4:16 p.m.

    @2bits
    I didn't cite a poll. I cited the statistics the Dept. of Interior released to the number of comments they have received during their review process. Close to 700,000 Americans responded to their request for input and of those over 90% were in favor of leaving the Monument protected. That's not a poll, it's more of a vote.
    In any case, the Trump administration should lawyer up because most legal experts have said they won't have the authority to drastically change the boundaries. Pro-monument supporters have money, legal precedent and the American people on their side.

  • 2 bits Cottonwood Heights, UT
    June 12, 2017 2:08 p.m.

    @FT,
    You can pretend you know what the majority wants on this, but there's literally no way to know what the majority wants without holding an election to find out what they want. Polls are notoriously biased and inaccurate. Just look at all the polls that said Trump didn't have a chance of winning the election (and yet he did).

    You can't say what the majority want unless we have an election and find out what they want. A news paper article stating what the majority wants doesn't do it.

    Look at how many news paper articles and news people on TV were 100% convinced Clinton would win... right up til she didn't.

    News people are not in touch with everybody. They don't know what the majority wants. This past election is a perfect illustration of this.

    Writing a poll that doesn't have a bias is hard to do. And conducting a poll (which only queries a sample of the population and then extrapolates) is not the same as having the actual election and letting each individual person register their vote (instead of extrapolating on a sample).

    Polls are not reality.

    Pollsters know this. There's always a significant margin of error in any poll.

  • MacD slc, UT
    June 12, 2017 12:35 p.m.

    From just a common sense perspective you would think you could protect the antiquities with much less than the 1350000 acres Pres Obama set aside.

  • stevo123 Driggs, ID
    June 12, 2017 12:06 p.m.

    Some times I think that Trump would trade off BENM and GSCENM for the political loyalty of our elected officials.

  • Fred33 KAYSVILLE, UT
    June 12, 2017 11:48 a.m.

    @FT - what is the source of the statistic you report? What you report might be true, but it could be misleading. There might be people that favor keeping the monument, but favor reducing the size. How many people fit in that category?

  • FT salt lake city, UT
    June 12, 2017 10:11 a.m.

    The administration received close to 700,000 responses to the Bears Ear review. It is reported that over 90% of those favored leaving the Monument in place. Maybe Zinke and the Trump administration are waiting until they figure out some type of electoral college system for the Monuments where their minority can exert control on the majority of Americans.