Remember this article from the Deseret News. Gov. Gary Herbert to President
Obama: Let Utah run national parks. Oct 8, 2013. "The unwarranted shutdown
of the national parks and other federal facilities is devastating individuals
and businesses that rely on these areas for their livelihood," Herbert wrote
in a letter to President Barack Obama. Lee added that "public land
becomes very unlike public land when it is closed by people who arbitrarily say,
'Because of a shutdown, we’re going to exclude you.'"Noting that the National Park Service reopened the National Mall in
Washington, D.C., for a rally Tuesday
@FT,Number of comments isn't an indicator of where the general public
(or majority) are on the subject. That's even worse than using a poll,
which at least tries to find a random sample of general public (not the
activists).Think about it...Isn't a radical, activist, or
somebody really passionate about Bears Ears more likely to take time to submit a
comment on the plan? (hint... yes)# comments submitted would
naturally disproportional support the plan, or anything promising
restrictions.Of course you get more comments from activists and
people who are very passionate about Bears Ears debate rhetoric. Not from the
general public. People who get breathless at the very mention of
Bears Ears are not the majority of the population, but they probably are the
majority of the comments sent.Does that not make sense to you? It
does to me.Now your statement makes sense. If you assumed the
number of comments represented the general public (not disproportionately
activists, and people supporting government and restrictions).A vote
would be more accurate in identifying where the general population majority is.
Better than just counting comments sent by activists.
Fortunately, In situations like this we are a republic of sovereign states, not
a mobocracy, or in this situation not a democracy. There is a reason this
nation has a Constitution to delineate the role of the Federal Government,
States, and Citizens. Those most affected by a decision should have a stronger
say in that decision. As for polls, and surveys, and other similar statistics.
"There are lies, damned lines, and statistics," Mark Twain.
@2bitsI didn't cite a poll. I cited the statistics the Dept. of
Interior released to the number of comments they have received during their
review process. Close to 700,000 Americans responded to their request for input
and of those over 90% were in favor of leaving the Monument protected.
That's not a poll, it's more of a vote. In any case, the Trump
administration should lawyer up because most legal experts have said they
won't have the authority to drastically change the boundaries.
Pro-monument supporters have money, legal precedent and the American people on
@FT,You can pretend you know what the majority wants on this, but
there's literally no way to know what the majority wants without holding an
election to find out what they want. Polls are notoriously biased and
inaccurate. Just look at all the polls that said Trump didn't have a
chance of winning the election (and yet he did).You can't say
what the majority want unless we have an election and find out what they want.
A news paper article stating what the majority wants doesn't do it.Look at how many news paper articles and news people on TV were 100%
convinced Clinton would win... right up til she didn't.News
people are not in touch with everybody. They don't know what the majority
wants. This past election is a perfect illustration of this.Writing
a poll that doesn't have a bias is hard to do. And conducting a poll
(which only queries a sample of the population and then extrapolates) is not the
same as having the actual election and letting each individual person register
their vote (instead of extrapolating on a sample).Polls are not
reality.Pollsters know this. There's always a significant
margin of error in any poll.
From just a common sense perspective you would think you could protect the
antiquities with much less than the 1350000 acres Pres Obama set aside.
Some times I think that Trump would trade off BENM and GSCENM for the political
loyalty of our elected officials.
@FT - what is the source of the statistic you report? What you report might be
true, but it could be misleading. There might be people that favor keeping the
monument, but favor reducing the size. How many people fit in that category?
The administration received close to 700,000 responses to the Bears Ear review.
It is reported that over 90% of those favored leaving the Monument in place.
Maybe Zinke and the Trump administration are waiting until they figure out some
type of electoral college system for the Monuments where their minority can
exert control on the majority of Americans.