County recorder's dwindling office visits, incoherent interview raise more concerns about his well-being
If they cut off his paycheck ---- would he remember ?
Ironman I disagree. He is not just a typical government employee.
Government employee's are teachers, police officers, firefighters/emts,
corrections officers, judges and many others who are dedicated and
professional. This is an unfortunate situation. It appears that there
associates who are covering for him and that is reprehensible. Gary
Ott's incompetency does not mean all elected or appointed officials are
corrupt. The majority of public employee do their best often under difficult
circumstances. Don't judge everyone by the actions of a small minority.
There should be some legal way to remove Gary Ott from office.
He could be president.
His answers sound like typical politician speak to me. Just a bunch of nonsense
dancing around nothing trying to sound like something but you can't figure
what so you're just left scratching your head and he goes on collecting a
paycheck. So wrong.
Gary "Ott" to retire (see what I did there)
There is the pursestrings option..cut his salary to a fair amount below what he
would receive upon retirement and give him a choice of continuing as auditor or
taking retirement. That seems like a fair option all around, for him, the
department, and the poor taxpayers! Any problem with that?
Wow -- I listened to 10 minutes of the audio conversation. Rambling. Incoherent.
Can't focus. I'm sure he's a nice guy but he really should not be
in a SL County elected (or any) office. It's amazing that those in-charge
at SL County can't solve this problem. True example of Government
Inefficiency. And he's receiving $189k annually of taxpayer money.
With no recall ability, the voters of SLC County will just have to wait until
the next time he comes upper re-election. It's really and unfortunately
Sounds like Mr. Ott is in need of a court ordered mental competency evaluation,
and if found incompetent to manage his own affairs there can be a guardian or
power of attorney type person appointed to manage them. Then, the
first thing the guardian should do is to submit his resignation from office.
The Gary Ott situation illustrates the problem with Utah politics in a nutshell.
One party has too much power and the other too little, and so when something
like this happens, nothing can be done. If we had a robust, two-party system,
the Republicans wouldn't have been able to run Gary Ott for county recorder
and hide what was then only the beginnings of his diminishing capacity.
There's some evidence that at least some of the recent changing of the
guard came from the Republican leadership's desire to have a Republican in
that office no matter what his deficiencies. And in a robust system, a
Democratic county attorney would be able to find a legal solution to this
problem without having to worry about spending all the political capital he has.
The minute Sim Gill tries to have Gary Ott removed is the same minute that the
Republicans will start yelling about "poor Gary Ott." In a robust
system, Gill could tell them where to go and the problem could get solved.
Dear Ned Flanders:Wow - Y'all are making NM government and
voters look functional and competent. That's hard to do. Thanks. It is nice to have some local company on the bottom of the rankings
lists. Usually we have to share space with Illinois and Mississippi.Regards- Homer
This sounds like a serious problem, yet the Utah Legislature can't figure
out a solution after all this time? Get on the phone and see how other States
deal with this.
A County here in California had a problem with the elected county treasurer
showing up drunk for work. The Board of Supervisors took an action to remove him
from office. They then passed an ordinance to consolidate the treasures,
finance and recorders offices within other departments. They also declared them
appointed not elected. This resulted in a more efficient government. SL County,
how bout it?
I feel bad for Mr. Ott. He seems to be being used, through no fault of his own,
and there is no recourse at this point.Something needs to be put in
place so that this doesn't happen again. This isn't fair to Mr. Ott,
and it isn't fair to the citizens who elected him. Paticularly when certain
other employees seem to be unduly and contemptibly benefitting from this tragic
situation. It is difficult to anticipate and prepare for any and all
contingencies, so it is understandable. But now that everyone is aware of this,
a change needs to be made. Soon.
@suzcnoor and some others that posted similar things.Legislation can
be incredibly complex, especially when you are giving someone more power to do
whatever they want. If they were to do this incorrectly it would give the
governor, or someone else the ability to get rid of elected officials at a whim,
can you imagine the potential for corruption?IMO this is a sad
situation where there legally isn't much to be done other than the people
around him caring enough to convince him to retire. Unfortunately it looks as if
some of those people around him aren't willing to take the risk of
admitting that there is a problem.
Anyone who does not understand how this sort of thing can happen, ad nauseam,
has not read and understood the gravity of the comment from "Third try
screen name - Mapleton, UT."We, the voters, allow and enable
"How often does he work?""Very little."He is just a typical government employee. There is noting remiss here.
What do you want Sam Gill to do?Ott was voted in. there's no
recall election. And unless Ott breaks the law, what is Gill supposed to do?Some of you seem like you're hating and bashing government just to
whine. Perhaps voters need to actually become educated and participate rather
than just mindlessly voting in the same people they always do. Get
Katie, thank you very much for your article documenting government incompetence.
I have a great deal of sympathy for Mr. Ott. He deserves better than
to be used like a pawn in a scam to fleece taxpayers.That situations
like this can not only occur, but persist for years, is why we need less
government and more human decency.
Utah legislators are reluctant to pass laws that will remove incompetent
politicians, because they are afraid those laws will be used against them.
I believe the issue is that Mr. Ott was voted in. The staff are employees and
can be fired. Mr. Ott can only be "unelected". That means an
impeachment process or something similar needs to be in place to undo (for
cause) an election. Without that, there is, at least as I understand it, no way
to remove Mr. Ott or an other elected official who is no longer capable of
functioning in their office.
Every time I read an update on this sad story, I'm reminded of two things:
(1) the "leadership" of Salt Lake County has no ability or inclination
to solve this problem, and (2) elected officials can do just about anything
they want and still collect their pay checks.Maybe this isn't
completely true, but it certainly looks that way.
If the functions of recorder are running well without Ott's involvement,
why down downgrade the office and eliminate his job?
“'We need to have a legislative fix for this,' DeBry said.
'Frankly, this is an unprecedented situation in the state of
Utah.'”===============The "legislative fix"
has been needed for at least 18 months and the legislature has been in and out
of session during that time with more than sufficient time to take care of this
ridiculous situation. A situation that exists only because of the woefully
inadequate legislation that exists now. It is absurd to think there hasn't
always been some contingency policy already in place to deal with obvious
potential cases like this.What we really **need** are some
legislators with enough interest and common sense initiative to produce the
simple fix needed to get the job done.....ASAP.
Aside from wasting $200K on his salary, what's the problem? The article
does NOT say that the work isn't getting done or that his weird behavior is
impacting the office.Maybe there are some problems. Tell us about
them. Tell us about malfeasance in office. Tell us he does weird things like
charging $2 to record a document one day and $500 the next. Tell us the
paperwork is piling up and isn't being recorded properly. Tell us he
isn't there to approve the payment of the electric bill. Tell us he is
leasing the office for $400,000 a month from his high school pal. I'm not
hearing any of that.Some offices run better when the boss isn't
Few people that work at Salt Lake County, and I was one that did back in the
1980's, are held accountable for, shall we say, incompetence. It's a
culture of getting paid first, think about actually doing some work later, and
never think about doing it correctly or efficiently. Why? Because it's
government work and no one holds you accountable....as observed.
This is very sad. Can the people close to MR.Ott not see he appears to be very
confused? There are other health reasons for becoming forgetful and confused but
I must say he is showing classic signs of dementia. Somebody please be kind and
Wow and he is still in office? Something is seriously wrong with him. To me they
are wasting tax payer monies ... and to keep him in there is almost like
stealing our hard earned money!
This is a totally sad situation, but this guy should have been removed by Gill
or Herbert months ago. I don't buy the whole legal 'vacuum'
excuse, there's just not enough concern from them to make it happen.
There's no way we can let Ott stay in office till 2020.
Wouldn't be nice to give Mr. Ott a medical retirement.
Get rid of him and the elected officials that allow this to continue. If it were
high profile Sam gill would be in front of the cameras daily.
This is an embarrassment to Salt Lake County. But more importantly it is a
wake-up call to taxpayers everywhere that many (most?) of our highly paid
political leaders (at all levels of government and in most localities) are
unaccountable and virtually unnecessary. What a racket.
Gary Ott to resign. Gary Ott to have resigned long before now. He Ott not be in
office. However, it is very possibly he doesn't even know himself just how
poorly he is functioning. My mother has significant dementia.
However, she still understands enough about money to realize her care is
expensive. She wants to leave her care facility because of the expense, but she
doesn't understand that her care requires constant monitoring. I suspect
that Gary Ott is in a similar circumstance. He knows he has a large salary, and
he wants to keep it, not realizing he is not remotely earning it. Clearly the
situation needs to be addressed. It is inappropriate for taxpayers to be paying
for him to have a house in Salt Lake County while he resides in another county
and is not functioning in his elected position. With all the legal experts Utah
has, someone should have determined a course of action. This dilemma isn't
even good for Gary Ott's "well-being."
Government. Such a sad tale. What the saddest tale of all is, the lack of
ability and complete inability to have a method in place to solve this issue
--for fear of what could be used as a 'weapon' against their very own
in the future. So, the taxpayer pays. For nothing. Government.