Adultery still seen as morally unacceptable. But these other controversial behaviors have gained support

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  • U. C. Professor ,
    May 27, 2017 8:49 a.m.

    Full Constitutional, Legal and Human Rights for LGBTQ People are not the moral failure equivalent of adultery. Adultery is the opposite of honoring marriage, by fighting for marriage and family rights, regardless of the animus against equality, such as the very bad behavior of spending millions to pass Prop8 to deny Constitutional rights. Don't approve of Equality Marriage? Don't get one

  • Richard60 Spanish fork, UT
    May 23, 2017 10:29 p.m.

    Kreese, the Republicans of today are NOT THE SAME AS REPUBLICANS 50 to150 years ago. 2 completely different parties.

  • MoreMan San Diego, CA
    May 23, 2017 12:12 p.m.

    Ironically it was also seen as "morally unacceptable" in the mid-1800's... therein lies the disconnect.

  • kreese Ivins, UT
    May 23, 2017 10:38 a.m.

    @dmcvey

    Wasn't it LBJ's policy to make more folks dependent on government? Some of us older folks lived in the "Golden State" when it was golden. The Left and their way of thinking have taken over California. A lot of people here, who came from California, are saddened by what has happened there.

  • marxist Salt Lake City, UT
    May 23, 2017 9:36 a.m.

    @Opheilia "As we become more and more educated about science, human behavior, and humankind's tendency to judge, we change our perception of sin. "

    We certainly should give science credit for broadening our views. Thanks to science we know skin tone is not a consequence of sin! How about that?

    BTW, I find it reassuring most people see the honoring of marital vows as the center piece of moral behavior. That's something we all agree on.

  • dmcvey Los Angeles, CA
    May 23, 2017 9:05 a.m.

    @kreese

    Look up the Southern Strategy. The GOP has not been the party of Lincoln for a good 60 years or so.

  • kreese Ivins, UT
    May 23, 2017 8:34 a.m.

    @Karen R:
    I believe it was Republicans who ended slavery. I believe it was a Republican appointed Chief Justice (former republican Governor of California) that led the Supreme Court ruling that segregated schools were unconstitutional.

  • Capsaicin Salt Lake City, UT
    May 23, 2017 8:20 a.m.

    Where can wetake this survey?

  • HSTucker Holladay, UT
    May 23, 2017 8:01 a.m.

    @Karen R: Embracing immorality is not a liberal value. That is an evil deception that the left has bought into, among many others, to their great detriment.

  • RanchHand Huntsville, UT
    May 23, 2017 7:51 a.m.

    @Johnny Triumph;

    Relying on fictional beings solves nothing.

    @patriot;

    I don't know anyone who believes in "anything goes", but you can go on bearing false witness against us if you like - you should be aware; however, that that one is absolutely a violation of your own 10 commandments. But using your bible to condemn those who don't believe in it is an exercise in futility. The same thing about the bigotry of your "proclamation".

    JoeCapitalist2;

    Just because you "know something is wrong" doesn't really make it wrong. Some things are, certainly, but many of them are simply personal biases.

    @HSTucker;

    Some more "leftward movement" is needed in this country.

  • Thomas Thompson SALT LAKE CITY, UT
    May 23, 2017 7:29 a.m.

    Each couple needs to decide this issue for themselves; it's really nobody else's business.

  • Karen R. Houston, TX
    May 23, 2017 5:51 a.m.

    @ HSTucker

    "Kudos to the Deseret News for accurately labeling as a 'leftward movement' the double-digit increases in..."

    Yes. Funny how, when the arc of history has bent toward justice (or equality), that bend has been to the left. After all, it hasn't been right-leaning folk who sought to end things like slavery, Jim Crow laws, segregation, forced prayer in schools, and denial of civil rights based on race, creed, nationality, gender, and sexual orientation, has it?

  • JBs Logan, UT
    May 22, 2017 10:30 p.m.

    I know what I have been taught, and I have seen how certain behaviors destroy relationships. If that is sin, then okay. It isn't up to me, however, to sit in judgment on others. I don't know what they have been taught, what opportunities they have or haven't had, examples from their homes of origin, or what may have occurred to open the door to make poor choices. I find cheating disgusting, and I can also understand how it can happen.

    I can't change anyone else. I can change myself, and be supportive of others to help them make better choices. But I don't have the right to condemn others as "evil sinners." My job is to love my fellow men and women. The final judgment is up to God, not me.

  • worf McAllen, TX
    May 22, 2017 6:35 p.m.

    Has any society living with widespread adultery as the norm, ever been prosperous?

    It seems that adultery, and poverty are like linked like ham and eggs.

    As adultery increases in America, so has the state of poverty.

  • HSTucker Holladay, UT
    May 22, 2017 4:13 p.m.

    Kudos to the Deseret News for accurately labeling as a "leftward movement" the double-digit increases in the "percentage saying that gay or lesbian relations, having a baby outside of marriage, sex between an unmarried man and woman, and divorce are morally acceptable."

    There are very good reasons that most Latter-day Saints find conservatism more consistent with their beliefs than liberalism. This article documents one of them.

  • AZ Blkhwk Gilbert, AZ
    May 22, 2017 3:11 p.m.

    I think many played right into the correct thought process of Ophelia. What I read and understood was that none of us have the insight, knowledge, or wisdom to totally understand the application of God's mercy as it applies to each individual. By stepping back a little from the knee jerk reactions to religious, cultural, and behavioral differences, you might discover that the victim of your criticism is actually a child of God with inherit blessings. Your harshness might just be hindering God's plan for that person. Ophelia's comment on mercy is much deeper than the words chosen. Love all, attempt to understand all, and judge none. Judging is not our job.

  • Fabulous Jen Eagle Mountain, UT
    May 22, 2017 2:47 p.m.

    Adultery may take place in conditions that are solely exigent to the participants and no one else.

    Therefore, it is not fair to make judgments.

  • patriot Cedar Hills, UT
    May 22, 2017 1:26 p.m.

    re:Ophelia

    Interracial marriage, eating pork, disobeying parents, disobeying your husband, women speaking out in public are not sins at least not with Christians. Honor thy Fahter and Mother is a 10 commandment but not a sin certainly -- a bad behavior for sure if you are a teen and you want to keep driving your car! Women speaking out in public -- ?? Hmmm -- oh right that is a sin in the Muslim world but you didn't mention that did you. Obviously you are an atheist and that is your choice but that isn't what this article is about is it. The fact is more than half the people of this country (Doctors, Lawyers, Electrical Engineers like myself, and so on..) all very "educated folls" my friend yet somehow all of these educated folks see and understand something you seem to be missing? Yes -- if you haven't discovered it before -- you can be college educated yet full of faith at the same time. In fact our founding fathers -- John Adams and others -- all believed in "natures God" when they wrote the Constitution. I suspect you lefties find it confusing why God matters but such has been the case for all recorded history. Nothing new.

  • JoeCapitalist2 Orem, UT
    May 22, 2017 1:16 p.m.

    There is a big difference between judging someone harshly and condemning them for doing something we know is wrong; and deciding that the thing they did is no longer wrong.

    It is one thing to be merciful and quick to forgive those who trespass against us. It is quite another to decide that we can forgo all guilt by simply deciding that the commandments of God are no longer valid. We tread down dangerous paths when we convince ourselves that things like lying, cheating, and killing are somehow acceptable just because more people are doing them.

    All we have to do is find a way to convince ourselves that the 'ends justify the means'. It's OK to spread lies and fake news as long as it stops Trump's agenda. It's OK to steal as long as we are doing it to rich people in the name of social justice. It is OK to kill as long as the victims are our political opponents. Nothing is 'out of bounds' anymore to such people.

  • patriot Cedar Hills, UT
    May 22, 2017 1:06 p.m.

    "as growing numbers of adults espouse more liberal views on gay and lesbian relations, sex out of wedlock"

    This statement is totally misleading. True enough the secular crowd has the "anything goes" no morals attitude however Evangelicals, Mormons, Catholics comprise a pretty large portion of American (more than half) and for Chirstians anything outside sexual relations between a married man and woman is forbidden. It's not just the ten commandments -- it is the commandents of Jesus Christ given 2000 years ago in the New Testament which forbids adultery, fornication, homosexual relations and every other form of sexual debauchery. See the firist Chapter of Romans in the New Testament and then of course for Latter Day Saints the complete cannon of scriptures (Bible, Book Of Mormon, D&C) as well as the The Family: A Proclamation to the World. The world's values have degraded into an open sewer so this is a simple choice of a follower of God or not.

  • patriot Cedar Hills, UT
    May 22, 2017 1:06 p.m.

    "as growing numbers of adults espouse more liberal views on gay and lesbian relations, sex out of wedlock"

    This statement is totally misleading. True enough the secular crowd has the "anything goes" no morals attitude however Evangelicals, Mormons, Catholics comprise a pretty large portion of American (more than half) and for Chirstians anything outside sexual relations between a married man and woman is forbidden. It's not just the ten commandments -- it is the commandents of Jesus Christ given 2000 years ago in the New Testament which forbids adultery, fornication, homosexual relations and every other form of sexual debauchery. See the firist Chapter of Romans in the New Testament and then of course for Latter Day Saints the complete cannon of scriptures (Bible, Book Of Mormon, D&C) as well as the The Family: A Proclamation to the World. The world's values have degraded into an open sewer so this is a simple choice of a follower of God or not.

  • Ophelia Bountiful, UT
    May 22, 2017 12:15 p.m.

    Controversial behaviors which have been -- and may still be -- considered sinful:

    Interracial marriage, eating pork, disobeying parents, disobeying your husband, women speaking out in public, gay marriage, treatment of slaves.

    As we become more and more educated about science, human behavior, and humankind's tendency to judge, we change our perception of sin. Are we against God? I don't think so. Perhaps we're getting a little closer to God's mercy when we attempt to understand rather than judge.

  • Pelukas Bingham, UT
    May 22, 2017 11:03 a.m.

    This shows that most Americans agree that consentual activities between adults are ok, but non consentual (one of the two partners provides no consent to cheeting) it's not okay. This study shows that we are treating ourselves as responsable adults. Good, moving forward in a less judgemental society.

  • Johnny Triumph Lahaina, HI
    May 22, 2017 10:32 a.m.

    As long as we feel like we're in the most informed position we will continue to make poor choices. Our knowledge and experience pales in comparison to Diety; we need to rely on God for guidance here or else we're headed down the wrong path (read arm of the flesh). These studies or surveys only reinforce that fact.