Full Constitutional, Legal and Human Rights for LGBTQ People are not the moral
failure equivalent of adultery. Adultery is the opposite of honoring
marriage, by fighting for marriage and family rights, regardless of the animus
against equality, such as the very bad behavior of spending millions to pass
Prop8 to deny Constitutional rights. Don't approve of Equality Marriage?
Don't get one
Kreese, the Republicans of today are NOT THE SAME AS REPUBLICANS 50 to150 years
ago. 2 completely different parties.
Ironically it was also seen as "morally unacceptable" in the
mid-1800's... therein lies the disconnect.
@dmcveyWasn't it LBJ's policy to make more folks dependent
on government? Some of us older folks lived in the "Golden State" when
it was golden. The Left and their way of thinking have taken over California.
A lot of people here, who came from California, are saddened by what has
@Opheilia "As we become more and more educated about science, human
behavior, and humankind's tendency to judge, we change our perception of
sin. "We certainly should give science credit for broadening our
views. Thanks to science we know skin tone is not a consequence of sin! How
about that?BTW, I find it reassuring most people see the honoring of
marital vows as the center piece of moral behavior. That's something we
all agree on.
@kreeseLook up the Southern Strategy. The GOP has not been the party
of Lincoln for a good 60 years or so.
@Karen R:I believe it was Republicans who ended slavery. I believe it was
a Republican appointed Chief Justice (former republican Governor of California)
that led the Supreme Court ruling that segregated schools were unconstitutional.
Where can wetake this survey?
@Karen R: Embracing immorality is not a liberal value. That is an evil deception
that the left has bought into, among many others, to their great detriment.
@Johnny Triumph;Relying on fictional beings solves nothing.@patriot;I don't know anyone who believes in "anything
goes", but you can go on bearing false witness against us if you like - you
should be aware; however, that that one is absolutely a violation of your own 10
commandments. But using your bible to condemn those who don't believe in
it is an exercise in futility. The same thing about the bigotry of your
"proclamation".JoeCapitalist2;Just because you
"know something is wrong" doesn't really make it wrong. Some
things are, certainly, but many of them are simply personal biases.@HSTucker;Some more "leftward movement" is needed in this
Each couple needs to decide this issue for themselves; it's really nobody
@ HSTucker"Kudos to the Deseret News for accurately labeling as
a 'leftward movement' the double-digit increases in..."Yes. Funny how, when the arc of history has bent toward justice (or
equality), that bend has been to the left. After all, it hasn't been
right-leaning folk who sought to end things like slavery, Jim Crow laws,
segregation, forced prayer in schools, and denial of civil rights based on race,
creed, nationality, gender, and sexual orientation, has it?
I know what I have been taught, and I have seen how certain behaviors destroy
relationships. If that is sin, then okay. It isn't up to me, however, to
sit in judgment on others. I don't know what they have been taught, what
opportunities they have or haven't had, examples from their homes of
origin, or what may have occurred to open the door to make poor choices. I find
cheating disgusting, and I can also understand how it can happen. I
can't change anyone else. I can change myself, and be supportive of others
to help them make better choices. But I don't have the right to condemn
others as "evil sinners." My job is to love my fellow men and women. The
final judgment is up to God, not me.
Has any society living with widespread adultery as the norm, ever been
prosperous?It seems that adultery, and poverty are like linked like
ham and eggs. As adultery increases in America, so has the state of
Kudos to the Deseret News for accurately labeling as a "leftward
movement" the double-digit increases in the "percentage saying that gay
or lesbian relations, having a baby outside of marriage, sex between an
unmarried man and woman, and divorce are morally acceptable."There are very good reasons that most Latter-day Saints find conservatism more
consistent with their beliefs than liberalism. This article documents one of
I think many played right into the correct thought process of Ophelia. What I
read and understood was that none of us have the insight, knowledge, or wisdom
to totally understand the application of God's mercy as it applies to each
individual. By stepping back a little from the knee jerk reactions to
religious, cultural, and behavioral differences, you might discover that the
victim of your criticism is actually a child of God with inherit blessings.
Your harshness might just be hindering God's plan for that person.
Ophelia's comment on mercy is much deeper than the words chosen. Love all,
attempt to understand all, and judge none. Judging is not our job.
Adultery may take place in conditions that are solely exigent to the
participants and no one else.Therefore, it is not fair to make
re:OpheliaInterracial marriage, eating pork, disobeying parents,
disobeying your husband, women speaking out in public are not sins at least not
with Christians. Honor thy Fahter and Mother is a 10 commandment but not a sin
certainly -- a bad behavior for sure if you are a teen and you want to keep
driving your car! Women speaking out in public -- ?? Hmmm -- oh right that is a
sin in the Muslim world but you didn't mention that did you. Obviously you
are an atheist and that is your choice but that isn't what this article is
about is it. The fact is more than half the people of this country (Doctors,
Lawyers, Electrical Engineers like myself, and so on..) all very "educated
folls" my friend yet somehow all of these educated folks see and understand
something you seem to be missing? Yes -- if you haven't discovered it
before -- you can be college educated yet full of faith at the same time. In
fact our founding fathers -- John Adams and others -- all believed in
"natures God" when they wrote the Constitution. I suspect you lefties
find it confusing why God matters but such has been the case for all recorded
history. Nothing new.
There is a big difference between judging someone harshly and condemning them
for doing something we know is wrong; and deciding that the thing they did is no
longer wrong.It is one thing to be merciful and quick to forgive
those who trespass against us. It is quite another to decide that we can forgo
all guilt by simply deciding that the commandments of God are no longer valid.
We tread down dangerous paths when we convince ourselves that things like lying,
cheating, and killing are somehow acceptable just because more people are doing
them.All we have to do is find a way to convince ourselves that the
'ends justify the means'. It's OK to spread lies and fake news as
long as it stops Trump's agenda. It's OK to steal as long as we are
doing it to rich people in the name of social justice. It is OK to kill as long
as the victims are our political opponents. Nothing is 'out of bounds'
anymore to such people.
"as growing numbers of adults espouse more liberal views on gay and lesbian
relations, sex out of wedlock"This statement is totally
misleading. True enough the secular crowd has the "anything goes" no
morals attitude however Evangelicals, Mormons, Catholics comprise a pretty large
portion of American (more than half) and for Chirstians anything outside sexual
relations between a married man and woman is forbidden. It's not just the
ten commandments -- it is the commandents of Jesus Christ given 2000 years ago
in the New Testament which forbids adultery, fornication, homosexual relations
and every other form of sexual debauchery. See the firist Chapter of Romans in
the New Testament and then of course for Latter Day Saints the complete cannon
of scriptures (Bible, Book Of Mormon, D&C) as well as the The Family: A
Proclamation to the World. The world's values have degraded into an open
sewer so this is a simple choice of a follower of God or not.
Controversial behaviors which have been -- and may still be -- considered
sinful:Interracial marriage, eating pork, disobeying parents,
disobeying your husband, women speaking out in public, gay marriage, treatment
of slaves.As we become more and more educated about science, human
behavior, and humankind's tendency to judge, we change our perception of
sin. Are we against God? I don't think so. Perhaps we're getting a
little closer to God's mercy when we attempt to understand rather than
This shows that most Americans agree that consentual activities between adults
are ok, but non consentual (one of the two partners provides no consent to
cheeting) it's not okay. This study shows that we are treating ourselves
as responsable adults. Good, moving forward in a less judgemental society.
As long as we feel like we're in the most informed position we will
continue to make poor choices. Our knowledge and experience pales in comparison
to Diety; we need to rely on God for guidance here or else we're headed
down the wrong path (read arm of the flesh). These studies or surveys only
reinforce that fact.