Paper or cloth? Park City adopts Utah's first ban on plastic bags

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  • misanthrope sl, UT
    May 17, 2017 1:31 p.m.

    To be proud of progressivism is to be ignorant of its origins and goals.

  • Bruce A. Frank San Jose, CA
    May 17, 2017 11:07 a.m.

    The "Tee Shirt" bags used by grocery stores are the most useful, reused, and most highly recycled plastic material used by the public. So of course politicians, with apparently nothing productive to do, attack them. The claims of "clogging up recycling machinery" is the same bogus argument used here in CA.

    I travel to the east coast several times a year. None of the states or cities I visit ban these truly handy and useful bags. They are provided by drugstores, hardware stores, grocery stores, and some fast-food restaurants. I have been paying attention since these bags were first banned in my state of CA. For all the truly widespread use of these bags, they appear to be almost non-existent in the litter in Atlanta, Columbia SC, New Haven CT, Louisville KT, and Binghampton NY.

    For those who are responsible, and like the strength and disease free cleanliness of the "Tee Shirt" plastic bags, go online and buy a box of 5000, with "Thank You" printed on them, for about $25 and keep them in your car at all times.

  • cavetroll SANDY, UT
    May 17, 2017 11:04 a.m.

    To all those who claim this is just a nanny state decision: Do you also feel the same way about Highland/Alpine when they force businesses to close on Sunday? Yes, this is an actual city ordinance. How about those cities who prohibit alcohol sales on Sunday? Those laws aren't about public safety; they are about forcing a certain belief system on others. So is Park City's ordinance.

  • BU52 Provo, ut
    May 17, 2017 11:00 a.m.

    Educate or legislate, legislation is the easier path because as your mother used to say: "Because I said so." A pretty tepid first step, just pick on that 1%...of the stores.

  • calebsmum san carlos, CA
    May 17, 2017 10:44 a.m.

    Laws have to be enacted because people refuse to do what's right for others instead of just think of themselves and what they want, regardless of their impact. Sad, but true. Reusables are used quite well in many places, have been for years. Cleanliness? They can be washed, and reused! Imagine that. If your lifestyle has you using plastic bags all day, think about changing your ways. Cloth diapers instead of the toxin filled plastic kind that fill up our landfills. Dog walkers...really? Compostable doggie bags exist. Let's start thinking outside of our habit-box. Recycled, and recyclable, paper products; compostables; etc. People have become too used to convenience at the risk of our environment, and it's not worth it folks. For those of you putting down those who care as liberals, "holier than though", "hippies"... well, thank goodness for them because without them, the world would be trashed by those of you who could care less.

  • patriotstate Herriman, UT
    May 17, 2017 10:30 a.m.

    I just migrated form New England to the SLV, and I brought and use my own shopping bags. They seem to be an anomaly in Utah.

    Park City though, is a playplace of transient visitors, mostly on vacation. Vacationers don't carry reuseable shopping bags, and if they purchase them locally, they end up in the trash - not their luggage.

  • Captain Green Heber City, UT
    May 17, 2017 10:21 a.m.

    Great, so now people will use paper instead. Don't any of those folks realize where paper comes from?! There won't be as much litter in Summit County, but more forests in Oregon (where I am from) will be cut down! Thanks for "helping" the environment Park City.

  • Fitz Salt Lake City, UT
    May 17, 2017 10:10 a.m.

    windsor - City, Ut's comment is the best out of all these comments. And the comment is correct. I use the plastic bags I get from stores for lots of reasons, but mostly for small trash cans in the house.

    To those that live and push for reusable bags, there have been a number of stories from paper and tv news that indicate that reusable bags have potential problems with unhealthy germs. Just using it for cans, ok, but produce and meats can cause, or so the experts say, illnesses.

  • chickenlittle Salem, UT
    May 17, 2017 10:05 a.m.

    @ Windsor, I raised my children on cloth diapers. Had cloth instead of wipes. Wal-Mart sells reusable bags at .50 each plus they hold more items.As for the stinky cans rinse them out. We got along well before plastic bags came out. Also if you feel creative before you through out those old clothes, make your own shopping bags. Dress them up. Shouldn't have to make a ban I agree. They could have been more assertive on advertising less bags,less trash.

  • windsor City, Ut
    May 17, 2017 9:27 a.m.

    In ONE day I use these plastic bags for:

    wrapping up a stinky diaper (while we're at it, are these types of people who think this bag ban is so fantastic also willing to do away with Pampers and Huggies diapers and baby wipes for the good of the environment??)

    dog poo clean up

    wrapping up stinky salmon can, or other stinky trash

    lining small trash cans

    Seems to me if someone bans all shopping plastic bags, we will just BUY small plastic bags to use instead.
    Going to be the same number of plastic bags from me in the trash, just if I am using ones I carried groceries out of the store in -- or ones I had to buy.
    Bet many feel the same.
    So NO reduced impact on the environment.

    I think this is just some feel-good nonsense by the elite -- which will impact the environment positively by negligible amount.

  • bamafone Salem, UT
    May 17, 2017 8:56 a.m.

    It's pretty ironic that the people with the biggest mountain homes on all that beautiful land, that has now been torn up and altered forever, have decided not to use plastic bags. Sorry, you have no credibility.

  • chickenlittle Salem, UT
    May 17, 2017 8:16 a.m.

    Using reusable bags is a great idea. I hope all retailers in Utah follow this example. Clean up the trash.

  • PhoenixAZ phoenix, AZ
    May 17, 2017 7:58 a.m.

    Yee Haw!!! Now if Arizona can just get with the program. I hate the plastic bags. They are devouring land and oceans. And there's really no way to throw them away to recycle them. The city dumps won't even take them.

  • Tolstoy salt lake, UT
    May 17, 2017 7:58 a.m.

    @jskains

    isn't it fascinating that we have to have laws against speeding, not running red lights, not smoking in restaurants, liquor laws etc etc etc....... why cant citizens just not do these things on their own? Lets just end all laws. .

  • carman Wasatch Front, UT
    May 17, 2017 7:44 a.m.

    If Park City citizens want to help the environment, they should do it of their own free will, not because of some city-wide enforcement. This is simply government mandating behavior that people would otherwise not do themselves. People on the right and the left cry loudly on their pet issues when someone in government tries to tell them what they have to do with their bodies, their taxes or their guns. No one can be happy with just another government intrusion into their lives.

  • at long last. . . Kirksville , MO
    May 17, 2017 7:41 a.m.

    Kraft paper bags are a less offensive answer than plastic bags as they are from a renewable resource. Unfortunately, they cost about three to four times the plastic ones. Better to use fabric reusable bags. From the plastic bags blown into my yard and trees, there is much to be gained by outlawing them from an environmental outlook.

  • Opinionated Sandy, UT
    May 17, 2017 7:35 a.m.

    I would choose paper. That was I could store them and burn them when camping or in the fireplace during the winter. Sounds great--all those burnt grocery bags floating into the atmosphere.

  • Greg in Hawaii Pahoa, HI
    May 17, 2017 6:41 a.m.

    I live in Hawaii where we have been using fabric reusable bags for years. Some stores even pay customers a nickel for bringing in their own bag so paper (provided at a cost to stores) does not have to be provided.
    I think it can be a win-win for both the environment and store owners if every one is willing to change their habits just a little. Another plus is that fabric bags never rip and are easier to carry. Finally, fabric bags can be used by charities or businesses to advertise so often cost the consumers nothing as they are given away for free.

  • belgie Tualatin, OR
    May 17, 2017 6:30 a.m.

    This is a high-visibility, feel-good measure not based on actual data. The impact of plastic bags on the environment is almost zero. Paper bags are probably a lot worse. Further, targeting only these few businesses with the ban is unfair and bad economics.

  • jskains Orem, UT
    May 17, 2017 6:24 a.m.

    Isn't it fascinating that all these people in park city supposedly support this, but they needed nanny government to enforce it? Why couldn't they do it on their own? Why couldn't businesses volunteer to stop selling plastic bags? Why couldn't the locals just stop asking for plastic? Progressive ideas....so great you need government force to spread them. :/

  • IceCreamGhost Sandy, UT
    May 16, 2017 11:33 p.m.

    I see this as a step in the right direction. Our society is a throw away culture and it's bad for the environment. You get used to bringing your own cloth bags within a few weeks and they are sturdier than the plastic ones you get from the store.

  • UtahBlueDevil Durham, NC
    May 16, 2017 10:57 p.m.

    I am currently working in Austin Texas which has similar culture. People simply bring their own bags.... or they pay at check out for paper. It really seems to work. It was odd to get used to, but now I don't even think twice about it. it's turned out to be a lot less weird than I thought.

    Give it a chance before hitting the panic button. A good portion of the rest of the world shops with reusable bags. I think Americans are adaptable enough to work with this one too. I was skeptical but after 4 months.... its just normal now.

  • RRB SLC, UT
    May 16, 2017 10:43 p.m.

    If your going to do it, do it for all business in the city limit, then lobby the county to include the outlying areas.

  • 1Reader Sunnyvale, CA
    May 16, 2017 10:39 p.m.

    It's such a mistake! It doesn't help the environment at all--and there are lots of unintended consequences. It definitely hurts retailers.

  • Common sense conservative Herriman, UT
    May 16, 2017 10:28 p.m.

    "The store will try to avoid shifting costs to their products"....translation...the store WILL shift costs to their products. Customers will drive a couple blocks over to the evil empire Wal-Mart for the convenience of paper bags and lower prices, and these three stores in hippie utopia will go out of business. All park city residents will then have no choice but to buy from Wal-Mart, littering the beautiful environment with more plastic bags, driving up the salaries of evil CEOs, and forcing mom and pop stores out of business. But at least residents can take heart that they did their part to stop the day after tomorrow from happening. Al Gore would be so proud.

  • SAS Sandy, UT
    May 16, 2017 9:50 p.m.

    @toosmartforyou

    Or they could buy bags to clean up after their dogs. That's what independent, self-reliant conservatives would do, right?

  • toosmartforyou Kaysville, UT
    May 16, 2017 9:17 p.m.

    Aren't there a lot of people in Park City who own dogs, or at Summit Park or Jeremy Ranch or even Snyderville Basin that shop in Park City? Life for them just got a whole lot harder for these folks that walk their dogs thanks to the liberal politicians. Of course maybe some of them are rich enough their hire out doggie exercise and whoever does that needs to figure out how to clean up after them. Certainly the politicians wouldn't be bothered with such things, although they probably have an ordinance that you can be cited and fined if you don't clean up after your dog.

  • cjd1 Draper, UT
    May 16, 2017 8:44 p.m.

    I grew up using paper bags so no big deal.

  • DN Subscriber Cottonwood Heights, UT
    May 16, 2017 8:08 p.m.

    Welcome to Utah's imitation of Portland, Berkeley, or San Francisco.

    Next they should ban all cars from their fair city, except Prius and other coal powered cars, so they can feel smug about their "holier than thou" actions to "preserve the planet."