To be proud of progressivism is to be ignorant of its origins and goals.
The "Tee Shirt" bags used by grocery stores are the most useful, reused,
and most highly recycled plastic material used by the public. So of course
politicians, with apparently nothing productive to do, attack them. The claims
of "clogging up recycling machinery" is the same bogus argument used
here in CA.I travel to the east coast several times a year. None of
the states or cities I visit ban these truly handy and useful bags. They are
provided by drugstores, hardware stores, grocery stores, and some fast-food
restaurants. I have been paying attention since these bags were first banned in
my state of CA. For all the truly widespread use of these bags, they appear to
be almost non-existent in the litter in Atlanta, Columbia SC, New Haven CT,
Louisville KT, and Binghampton NY.For those who are responsible, and
like the strength and disease free cleanliness of the "Tee Shirt"
plastic bags, go online and buy a box of 5000, with "Thank You" printed
on them, for about $25 and keep them in your car at all times.
To all those who claim this is just a nanny state decision: Do you also feel the
same way about Highland/Alpine when they force businesses to close on Sunday?
Yes, this is an actual city ordinance. How about those cities who prohibit
alcohol sales on Sunday? Those laws aren't about public safety; they are
about forcing a certain belief system on others. So is Park City's
Educate or legislate, legislation is the easier path because as your mother
used to say: "Because I said so." A pretty tepid first step, just pick
on that 1%...of the stores.
Laws have to be enacted because people refuse to do what's right for others
instead of just think of themselves and what they want, regardless of their
impact. Sad, but true. Reusables are used quite well in many places, have been
for years. Cleanliness? They can be washed, and reused! Imagine that. If your
lifestyle has you using plastic bags all day, think about changing your ways.
Cloth diapers instead of the toxin filled plastic kind that fill up our
landfills. Dog walkers...really? Compostable doggie bags exist. Let's
start thinking outside of our habit-box. Recycled, and recyclable, paper
products; compostables; etc. People have become too used to convenience at the
risk of our environment, and it's not worth it folks. For those of you
putting down those who care as liberals, "holier than though",
"hippies"... well, thank goodness for them because without them, the
world would be trashed by those of you who could care less.
I just migrated form New England to the SLV, and I brought and use my own
shopping bags. They seem to be an anomaly in Utah.Park City though,
is a playplace of transient visitors, mostly on vacation. Vacationers
don't carry reuseable shopping bags, and if they purchase them locally,
they end up in the trash - not their luggage.
Great, so now people will use paper instead. Don't any of those folks
realize where paper comes from?! There won't be as much litter in Summit
County, but more forests in Oregon (where I am from) will be cut down! Thanks
for "helping" the environment Park City.
windsor - City, Ut's comment is the best out of all these comments. And
the comment is correct. I use the plastic bags I get from stores for lots of
reasons, but mostly for small trash cans in the house. To those
that live and push for reusable bags, there have been a number of stories from
paper and tv news that indicate that reusable bags have potential problems with
unhealthy germs. Just using it for cans, ok, but produce and meats can cause,
or so the experts say, illnesses.
@ Windsor, I raised my children on cloth diapers. Had cloth instead of wipes.
Wal-Mart sells reusable bags at .50 each plus they hold more items.As for the
stinky cans rinse them out. We got along well before plastic bags came out. Also
if you feel creative before you through out those old clothes, make your own
shopping bags. Dress them up. Shouldn't have to make a ban I agree. They
could have been more assertive on advertising less bags,less trash.
In ONE day I use these plastic bags for:wrapping up a stinky diaper
(while we're at it, are these types of people who think this bag ban is so
fantastic also willing to do away with Pampers and Huggies diapers and baby
wipes for the good of the environment??)dog poo clean upwrapping up stinky salmon can, or other stinky trashlining small
trash cansSeems to me if someone bans all shopping plastic bags, we
will just BUY small plastic bags to use instead. Going to be the same
number of plastic bags from me in the trash, just if I am using ones I carried
groceries out of the store in -- or ones I had to buy. Bet many feel the
same.So NO reduced impact on the environment. I think this is
just some feel-good nonsense by the elite -- which will impact the environment
positively by negligible amount.
It's pretty ironic that the people with the biggest mountain homes on all
that beautiful land, that has now been torn up and altered forever, have decided
not to use plastic bags. Sorry, you have no credibility.
Using reusable bags is a great idea. I hope all retailers in Utah follow this
example. Clean up the trash.
Yee Haw!!! Now if Arizona can just get with the program. I hate the plastic
bags. They are devouring land and oceans. And there's really no way to
throw them away to recycle them. The city dumps won't even take them.
@jskainsisn't it fascinating that we have to have laws against
speeding, not running red lights, not smoking in restaurants, liquor laws etc
etc etc....... why cant citizens just not do these things on their own? Lets
just end all laws. .
If Park City citizens want to help the environment, they should do it of their
own free will, not because of some city-wide enforcement. This is simply
government mandating behavior that people would otherwise not do themselves.
People on the right and the left cry loudly on their pet issues when someone in
government tries to tell them what they have to do with their bodies, their
taxes or their guns. No one can be happy with just another government intrusion
into their lives.
Kraft paper bags are a less offensive answer than plastic bags as they are from
a renewable resource. Unfortunately, they cost about three to four times the
plastic ones. Better to use fabric reusable bags. From the plastic bags blown
into my yard and trees, there is much to be gained by outlawing them from an
I would choose paper. That was I could store them and burn them when camping or
in the fireplace during the winter. Sounds great--all those burnt grocery bags
floating into the atmosphere.
I live in Hawaii where we have been using fabric reusable bags for years. Some
stores even pay customers a nickel for bringing in their own bag so paper
(provided at a cost to stores) does not have to be provided. I think it
can be a win-win for both the environment and store owners if every one is
willing to change their habits just a little. Another plus is that fabric bags
never rip and are easier to carry. Finally, fabric bags can be used by charities
or businesses to advertise so often cost the consumers nothing as they are given
away for free.
This is a high-visibility, feel-good measure not based on actual data. The
impact of plastic bags on the environment is almost zero. Paper bags are
probably a lot worse. Further, targeting only these few businesses with the ban
is unfair and bad economics.
Isn't it fascinating that all these people in park city supposedly support
this, but they needed nanny government to enforce it? Why couldn't they do
it on their own? Why couldn't businesses volunteer to stop selling plastic
bags? Why couldn't the locals just stop asking for plastic? Progressive
ideas....so great you need government force to spread them. :/
I see this as a step in the right direction. Our society is a throw away culture
and it's bad for the environment. You get used to bringing your own cloth
bags within a few weeks and they are sturdier than the plastic ones you get from
I am currently working in Austin Texas which has similar culture. People
simply bring their own bags.... or they pay at check out for paper. It really
seems to work. It was odd to get used to, but now I don't even think
twice about it. it's turned out to be a lot less weird than I
thought.Give it a chance before hitting the panic button. A good
portion of the rest of the world shops with reusable bags. I think Americans
are adaptable enough to work with this one too. I was skeptical but after 4
months.... its just normal now.
If your going to do it, do it for all business in the city limit, then lobby the
county to include the outlying areas.
It's such a mistake! It doesn't help the environment at all--and
there are lots of unintended consequences. It definitely hurts retailers.
"The store will try to avoid shifting costs to their
products"....translation...the store WILL shift costs to their products.
Customers will drive a couple blocks over to the evil empire Wal-Mart for the
convenience of paper bags and lower prices, and these three stores in hippie
utopia will go out of business. All park city residents will then have no choice
but to buy from Wal-Mart, littering the beautiful environment with more plastic
bags, driving up the salaries of evil CEOs, and forcing mom and pop stores out
of business. But at least residents can take heart that they did their part to
stop the day after tomorrow from happening. Al Gore would be so proud.
@toosmartforyouOr they could buy bags to clean up after their dogs.
That's what independent, self-reliant conservatives would do, right?
Aren't there a lot of people in Park City who own dogs, or at Summit Park
or Jeremy Ranch or even Snyderville Basin that shop in Park City? Life for them
just got a whole lot harder for these folks that walk their dogs thanks to the
liberal politicians. Of course maybe some of them are rich enough their hire
out doggie exercise and whoever does that needs to figure out how to clean up
after them. Certainly the politicians wouldn't be bothered with such
things, although they probably have an ordinance that you can be cited and fined
if you don't clean up after your dog.
I grew up using paper bags so no big deal.
Welcome to Utah's imitation of Portland, Berkeley, or San Francisco.Next they should ban all cars from their fair city, except Prius and
other coal powered cars, so they can feel smug about their "holier than
thou" actions to "preserve the planet."