@JBs:"Trump isn't just ignoring the Russian threat..."What Russian threat?"...he is furthering it by his
continued praise and support of Putin."He isn't praising
Putin. He's trying to delelop a friendship so our two nations can work
together to defeat ISIS (ISIL per Barack Hussein Obama)."It is
just amazing that he is acting in such a clueless and irresponsible
manner."You mean like, psst... "I'll have more
flexibility after my re-election." Obama whispering to Russia's then
President, Dmitry Medvedev... caught by an open mike.
Richard Davis loses more and more credibility with me with each op-ed I read
Trump isn't just ignoring the Russian threat, he is furthering it by his
continued praise and support of Putin. It is just amazing that he is acting in
such a clueless and irresponsible manner.
Let's see...FBI Director James Comey would not recommend legal
action against Hillary for putting classified information on a private sever in
violation of 18 US Code 793, et al., because she had no intentions (per Comey)
of harming the US Government by her actions...But many are saying
Trump needs to be impeached for being friends with the leader of a foreign
country (Putin) even though the friendship had no intention of harming the US
Government with his friendship.Go figure.
What in Tucket.." Turmp wants to work with Russia not fight them. "Just like the Obama re-set that Republicans supported?
It's not a question anymore whether or not the Russians meddled in the last
election. All of the major intelligence agencies have the proof that the
Russians hacked into computers of both campaigns, but they only stole
information from Democratic campaign computers to publish a number of
embarrassing e-mails, and also for good measure started a number of entirely
false, negative stories about Hilary Clinton on Facebook and elsewhere. There is hard evidence of close financial relationships between people
associated with Mr. Trump's campaign and Russian oligarchs who enjoy the
favor of Vladimir Putin. Where all of that information leads is what the
current investigations in Congress and now a special prosecutor is all about.
But it's not hard to imagine how past US presidents would have
responded to this situation because they had to deal with Russia's hostile
actions for decades. Mr. Trump's reaction is completely different and has
been entirely self-focused and self defensive--no concern for the country at
all.Do I need to say this: if there's nothing to hide and
there's a threat to the nation, why all the stonewalling?
@lost again"re-read my posts and tell me where I offer support
for trump".You may choose to play semantics. However, when one
uses nearly the identical verbiage as the "President" in their daily
anti-liberal/First Amendment rants this clearly indicates support to those of us
outside the bubble! "As for BO and clinton, why was it not a
problem for you that they ignored or mishandled foreign threats"?Fake news anyone? Simple. This never happened! Continued deflection. Currently
neither are President."Those other sources you accuse me of
believing, I do not subscribe to, read, follow".In typical
extremist faction you are fooling no one but yourself comrade! You have cited
these sources numerous times. "Obstruction of justice –
hilary’s emails were all provided, then they found more, then that was it,
then they found more. eric holder? lois lerner? the number BO operatives who
have pled the 5th? Isn’t/wasn’t that obstruction"?Suggestion. Obtain a law degree! Better yet. Possibly set through any basic
undergraduate level law class. One of the first skills you possibly may obtain
is proper comparison and the ability to spot fake news. Keep digging comrade!
RE: "President Trump ignores the Russian threat at our peril"Face it folks, the Russians and the Republicans are on the SAME side, united
AGAINST America.Trump and other Republicans won office with the help
of Russia, our nation's "greatest geopolitical foe."They share a common cause. They are united AGAINST America.With
Republicans in power, our nation grows weaker, and Putin smiles.
Europe and the US are not the enemies of Russia. Putin' s dangers are
China and Islam to the south. Russia has a GDP hardly larger than Mexico. It
is not going to dominate the world. It is nearly twice the area of the U S, but
a lot of it is not useful. Transportation east and west is only by train.
Russia needs us to protect them from China. Islam is now invading Europe.
Turmp wants to work with Russia not fight them. We can unite against ISIS.
Oh yeah, that's true, bamafone, there were some people who burned flags and
rioted at Berkeley. That's pretty terrible. I hope their parents take
away their BMW's.Those darned kids.
worf..."Mitt Romney stated Russia was a threat, and Obama laughed it off,
stating the cold war is over.It seems Obama ignored the
threat,"Obama, tried a re-set with Russia, found out he
couldn't so slapped them with sanctions.Trump...just plain
adored Putin..then he publically gives them highly classified secrets of another
nation.worf.."It seems Obama ignored the threat, and not
Trump." What are you watching worf?
Is it collusion if what's really happening is the inability to distinguish
self-interest from national interest?
Those who control the coment boards at the Deseret News sure lean towards
protecting the liberal comments. So to give it a second try, and again not
violate any of the stated standards, I want to awnser Ralph's question. The
flag burners can be found at Berkley and most every other anti Republican
demonstration as well as riots. There have been numerous, so take your pick.
@Mike Richards "Those liberals who are still rioting, who are still burning
our flag, who are using their positions as tenured liberal professors to call
for death and destruction are the only threat that America need fear. "Yes, Mike, where are those liberals who are still rioting and still
burning our flag? No, seriously, where are they?And what a
threat to America they are! They are far more dangerous to our country than a
hostile foreign power interfering with our electoral process. Liberals with
their protest signs! Arrrgh!The true enemy is among us. The true
enemy is the "other". The true enemy is the liberal, eh Mike?
Mitt Romney stated Russia was a threat, and Obama laughed it off, stating the
cold war is over.It seems Obama ignored the threat, and not Trump.
Hillary ignored the threat also by bargaining away our uranium.So
what's the deal with Trump? Does the media rule our country, and maybe
Obama was a puppet in their hand? They can't manipulate Trump like they did
with Obama, and Hillary?Is Trump a threat to the media, and their
dealings? Media is for reporting news, and not setting policy.
If it were Obama or Hillary that were conducting the presidency this way,
conservatives would already have impeachment proceedings underway.
There is no Russian anything...show me the proof...besides democrat talking
points...anything...waiting......this is more Schumer generated fake
news."So we're suppose to show you the evidence in the
middle of the investigation...what an uniformed thing to say."Someone jumps without checking sources and puts it in print! And, this
stuff is spun daily!" Don't listen apparently. The Comey memo alone
has multiple sources confirmed by multiple papers.MSN? May as well
read Pravda or DNC press releases. That doesn't even make any sense.
Prvada is a state run paper...but then little you say does.
If you haven't read centrist Thomas Friedman today on what Trump's
critics need to do, go to https://www.nytimes.com and search it under Opinion:
"Chicken or Fish?" (Deseret won't let me put in a link to it).
Powerful stuff every true patriot should read and act on.
Iib livingYou are so far off. againPlease re-read my
posts and tell me where I offer support for trump. You cannot as I do not.
Typical lib tactic of misstating what someone else said. The only mention of
trump in my post is the media’s extreme hatred of him.As for
BO and clinton, why was it not a problem for you that they ignored or mishandled
foreign threats?Those other sources you accuse me of believing,
HAHAHAHA! I do not subscribe to, read, follow, or otherwise provide any credence
to any of them. Nice obfuscation and false accusation. Obstruction
of justice – hilary’s emails were all provided, then they found
more, then that was it, then they found more. Ever hear of eric holder? lois
lerner? How about any of the number BO operatives who have pled the 5th?
Isn’t/wasn’t that obstruction? Of course not, they were liberals,
who can do no wrong.
Mr. Davis needs to get a grip on reality, there is a big difference between
truth and innuendo. If you, or anyone has evidence of illegality, present it, if
not, quit making it up. As a BYU professor, it seems as if you could recognize
BYUAlum: "...these daily "rumors" ..." and"He outworks anyone around him and harder than any POTUS that I can
remember in my lifetime. "Rumors? ha ha, that's funny.
Rumors. If it doesn't happen on FOXNEWS, it doesn't happen, eh?You do realize, your hardest-working-President-ever had gone golfing at
his own golf course 19 times in his first 100 days? Obama, your favorite, had
gone golfing once in his first 100 days.You wouldn't have heard that
on FoxNews/Brietbart, but nonetheless, it's a fact.
@Lost again-"BO ignored the Syrian threat, the Russian threat,
the NK threat"Continued deflection. President Obama and the
Clintons have absolutely nothing to do with the current subject matter! "never saw someone with more hubris than BO inhabit the
whitehouse"One dares mentioning the word "hubris" as
they offer unwavering support to their supreme leader. Get an inkling of a clue!
36% approval ratings and declining daily! You're only fooling yourself
comrade. "MSN? May as well read Pravda or DNC press
releases".Unfortunately not shocking in the least. I'm
certain you truly believe this comrade! "Anecdotal –
that’s the best they have"?Suggestion. Study the law and
brush up on Watergate. It's called obstruction of justice = Impeachment!"too bad we do not have a credible press service. Their extreme
hatred of trump makes it so one cannot believe them even on the odd chance they
should tell the truth".States the poster that believes
Breitbart, Drudge, Faux News and The National Enquirer are legitimate sources of
news! How convenient. Never once did I read any daily rants regarding the press
during President Obama's presidency. Nice try comrade! #Countrybeforeparty
Are you kidding me?This 'hysteria' attitude is absolutely
ridiculous and embarrassing the United States.Thank you mindless
As a fellow poster stated earlier this week which of course was ignored by the
extremist, non college educated, low information faction...For those ignoring
the incompetence and corrupt nature of this President and administration, you
have to ask yourself one question:Do I love my country more than I
hate liberals? Well extremists. Do you? Wake up! #Countrybeforeparty
BO ignored the Syrian threat, the Russian threat, the NK threat, caved to the
Iranian threat, and essentially ignored, to the fullest extent he could,
anything outside our borders.One votenever saw someone with
more hubris than BO inhabit the whitehouseImperial7Whatever
they are called, missionaries are allowed in Russia, but not ChinaPragmatistMSN? May as well read Pravda or DNC press releases.Anecdotal – that’s the best they have?too bad we do
not have a credible press service. Their extreme hatred of trump makes it so one
cannot believe them even on the odd chance they should tell the truth
elderwesto - Missouri City, TXMay 17, 2017 2:02 a.m.This
article is entirely wrong.The Chinese are the most dangerous threat
to America. ======= Not according to my DoD annual
briefing.China hacks the U.S. 12,000 daily - but the U.S. remains
their #1 exporter -- so they get a free pass [wink, wink] as our enemy.Russia is a viable military threat, but we do not have the trade deficit with
them, nor do we depend on our food, clothing and shelter from Russia like we do
with China.BTW -- ISRAEL is America's #1 espionage threat - and
they are good at it. The DoD refers to Israel as our closest friendenemy.
Rioting Democrats who loot and burn are telling us that the gravest threat to
America are the Russians. Are they nuts? Did the Russians build the NSA
facility in Bluffdale? Do the Russians listen to our cell phone calls and
intercept our email? Was it the Russians who refused to allow the FBI to
examine DNC computers after the DNC claimed that Russia had breached those
computers?Those liberals who are still rioting, who are still
burning our flag, who are using their positions as tenured liberal professors to
call for death and destruction are the only threat that America need fear. The Presidential Oath requires the President to protect us from all
enemies foreign or domestic. Our greatest enemies are already inside
America. Their siren song to the gulible would have us believe that it is Russia
and not themselves who is our enemy.
@ patriot"show me the proof"Exactly. That's why
we need a special prosecutor. That's why we need to subpoena all relevant
documents. That's why the FBI investigation need to continue and
strengthen. We need to get the facts.
@Spangs.I appreciate your comment. I overstated myself. Actually currently there is as much evidence that Seth Rich gave emails to
WikiLeaks as there is that Trump colluded with Russia to steal the election. I
have to give you some credit. Most liberal leaners have never even heard of
Seth Rich (former DNC staffer gunned-down in DC last year). Both
the alleged Trump-Russia collusion and the allleged Seth Rich-WikiLeaks
connection are still being investigated. Not enough information on either yet.
With both of these allegations, there is either no evidence whatsoever, or
someone is withholding evidence. I'll just stay tuned and try not to
"And, finally, we have the Seth Rich story flying underneath the radar. No
one but right-wing conservative talk radio wants to talk about it. Despite there
being actual evidence that Seth Rich was in contact with WikiLeaks"Nobody has heard about this except folks who peruse right-wing conspiracy
websites. Why? Because THIS is actually the fake news. The family has denied
that there is any evidence that Rich was in contact with Wikileaks. Rod Wheeler
(private investigator and FoxNews Contributor-the originator of the story,) says
he was quoting a Foxnews story. When Foxnews was asked who their source was,
they said it was Rod Wheeler. That story has been already
debunked. Vermonter, your skepticism is warranted, but laughably misplaced.
Maybe it's just me, but I think it's a bad idea to give classified
information to a country that has enough nuclear missiles pointed at us to
obliterate us from the face of the earth.
There is no Russian anything...show me the proof...besides democrat talking
points...anything...waiting......this is more Schumer generated fake news.
Congress is more of a threat to us than Russia. It's not ISIS that impacts
my day to day life it's the State, County and City bureaucrats to multiply
regulations for their personal gain at my expense.We recently had
"Mother's Day" where we buy the our wives and mothers flowers.
What they really need is peace of mind from explosive medical bills that blow up
their family budgets. Russia is not cause of this huge burden on our wives and
mothers, it's us.Congress is filled with talkers and
non-workers who are ruining our day-to-day lives, not Russia.Russia
being used as a scapegoat and deflection for the mess Congress has and is making
out of our daily lives.
An interesting article today on MSN about the looming crisis of whom to believe.
The White House or everyone else. At some point there will be
verifiable evidence to answer the question and the Comey memo may be it. There is a ton of anecdotal evidence that all ready casts doubt on
anything Trump claims. It's verifiable that nearly 75% of what Trump said
on the campaign trail was false. It's verifiable daily that the White
House staff has no idea what the truth is or the latest truth is. It's
easily verifiable that Trump lied about crowds, election numbers, election
process, and highly reasonable to believe he lied about the Obama taping. Yea, someday it all will be open, but for now Trump has a lot to prove.
Mr. Davis where were you when Obama slapped Mitt Romney down when Romney said
Russia was our biggest threat? Where were you when Obama said to the the
Russians " tell Vladimir that after the election I will have more
flexibility? Where were you when less than a year ago Obama offered to share
intelligence with Russian on ISIS in Syria? Where were you when Hillary Clinton
leaked the launch times of our military? Where were you when Comey revealed the
crimes of the Clinton private server? Where were you when Leon Panetta leaked
the identity of the Pakistani Dr. Who led us to Bin Laden? "When Democrats
mishandle classified information, they are earnest progressives. When
Republicans do it, they are incompetent morons." Mr. Davis let's stop
with the Hypocrisy.
@elderwesto;"I will make this simple for Mormons who read this. What country allows active proselyting? What country does not?"I'll make this simple for you. Neither country allows proselyting.
In fact, the LDS church can no longer call their elders, in Russia,
"missionaries". They are officially "volunteers". Look it
up-Russia is working toward kicking all missionaries and religious
"volunteers" out of Russia. And Trump will not even put up a whimper.
@elderwesto - Missouri City, TX"This article is entirely
wrong.The Chinese are the most dangerous threat to America. "And yet, Trump has backed off of his criticism of China as a currency
manipulator. As far as we know the Chinese are instructing N. Korea to behave
in the manner they are so they can force Trump to negotiate a better deal for
them and it appears to be working.Trumps latest trade deal is we
sell them N. gas and beef, and they get to sell us chicken? How is that helping
former factory workers in the midwest.Trump needs to go
So far, there is as much evidence that Russia interfered with the 2016 election
as there is that they interfered with the 2012 election. Russia actually had
much more to fear from Mitt Romney when he declared them to be America's
number one threat. Go figure. Turns out Democrats now believe Mitt was
right.Let's not forget that Barack Obama said that there is no
way that Russia could meddle in the election even if they wanted to.And, finally, we have the Seth Rich story flying underneath the radar. No one
but right-wing conservative talk radio wants to talk about it. Despite there
being actual evidence that Seth Rich was in contact with WikiLeaks, it does not
fit with the nightly drumbeat. Nothing to see here. Despite the
lack of actual evidence, of course, we all know the Russians put Trump in
office. Never let the facts get in the way of a good conspiracy.
Trump seems to be more complicit than simply lacking awareness of the Russian
threat. It's as if he's aware of it and also accepting of it. As if he
had something to gain from it.
Trump ignores everyone but Trump. Sad character flaw.
I think President Trump recognizes the real threat of Russia, Iran, North Korea,
and others around the world 100 times more than his predecessor. You won't
see him giving billions of $$ to Iran to further the cause of nuclear weapons
and terrorism! The problem with "news" nowadays is that
anyone thinks he can throw a theory or opinion out there as a
"reporter", and actually thinks people will believe anything they say.
Someone jumps without checking sources and puts it in print! And, this stuff is
spun daily!I actually think President Trump needs to get a tighter
grip on his communication team and Chief of Staff and dispel these daily
"rumors" with daily briefings from them through him. He outworks anyone
around him and harder than any POTUS that I can remember in my lifetime. I pray for President Trump and our country every day. God bless America!
This article is entirely wrong.The Chinese are the most dangerous
threat to America. Take a look at California pushing for Communists
to be able to hold office. What country is still Communist and would
love the idea of that happening?What country is buying up Hollywood
and owns major stakes in business and real estate in the US and Canada?Which country did the President single out as someone he would attack on trade
and has since had everything thrown at him?Mormons are being tricked
by the Media who has an alternate agenda.I will make this simple for
Mormons who read this. What country allows active proselyting? What
country does not?Putin is the EU's most dangerous threat, not
ours.We actually have a common enemy with Russia in China as China
works to expand into Siberia like it has done to all its neighboring
countries.Or have we all forgotten Nepal and Taiwan?
There is almost nothing in this article with which I would agree. My time at BYU
was finished long before this puppy was born. I watched the news carefully and
find that Mr Trump did a very creditable job in his meeting with the Russians.
There were three experts who were with him during his meeting who carefully
observed his interactions and approved whole heartedly. Two are military
experts with long experience in dealing with adversaries, understand security
issues and rules, and the other also very long on real world experience as a
civilian. None of them, including President Trump, think of The Russians as our
busom buddies, but they recognize that we must deal with common problems. This
requires conversation, and some kind of exchange of ideas. Mr. Trump has
selected excellant advisors who do not always agree with him, as an intelligent
leader should. I do not believe mr. Davis has comparable knowlege or real world
experience to even begin to critique our leadership
Odds are 50/50 that the French President elect was lying to get elected. After
Brexit and Trump the Left is in panic mode. Comey deserved to be
fired. The Justice Department had no interest in conducting a criminal
investigation of Hillary Clinton. "They would never approve a grand jury and
they would never approve an indictment.”Comey went through
the action, granted immunity deals, conducted an interview of Clinton not
under oath. The document dump the day after the Fourth of July, and the FBI
deviated from standard-operating procedure investigating use of private servers
to send and receive classified material. Ex-FBI head Kallstrom
maintains, “He was so out of left field—the things he did.”
The FBI “ never discloses the charges against an unindicted
person—ever.”Comey needed to be fired, as far as Russia,
show us the proof.
Thank you Mr. Davis.Hopefully your opinion with many self-described
BYU fans and alum who frequent these boards all too willing to give Trump a pass
no matter what new light is shed on the matter.
Unfortunately, commentary from the Democrats on this issue will only melt into
the constant wash of over-the-top crisis-mongering from the establishment
left's elected officials and media front. On top of this, it is very hard
to take Democrats' sudden concern for "the Russian threat" when
they have had so little concern for it in the past going all the way back to the
Soviet era.But, we finally face a genuine problem with the Trump
presidency, and it is indeed as Richard Davis has identified. The Left, however,
has no credibility on this issue, and conservatives can rightly dismiss their
showboat concern as merely partisan until they are willing to recant
Obama's "the 1980's want their policies back" shtick or
explain why they were silent on their own administration's willingness to
go along with and be "flexible" for Putin on just about everything. It
is conservatives who must, and will, stand up to this President if it becomes
apparent that he cannot protect America's interests from a foreign power.
Conservatives are the only ones who can do so on principle.
There is a difference between the East and the West. As the late Allen Sievers
at the University of Utah put it "the East and the West are different, and
neither can judge the other." I agree, but it is entirely appropriate for
western nations to assess the motives of eastern ones. Russia has maintained
its authoritarian and paranoid bent through Czarism, Communism, and its present
version of Capitalism. Yes, Russia is very different from the West.We do not understand much about the East. And Trump is especially ignorant of
the East, and for that reason can be easily played by the Russians, the Turks,
and the Chinese. Putin plays Trump like a violin. Trump does not
know what he does not know. This is dangerous territory in which we could lose