Mia Love: AHCA and the problems of the status quo

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  • James E Tooele, UT
    May 13, 2017 10:13 a.m.

    Please, just let it fail. Stop the illegal theft from Fannie and Freddie to prop up the subsidies and don't touch this hot potato and let the thing whither on the vine. Will people suffer? Yes. Did we try to stop the suffering? Sure. But at this point it seems suffering is the only teacher many will learn from. Just make sure the Republican message machine, as terrible as it is, let's everyone know the law remained untouched from O'bama and that not a single Republican was responsible for this mess. Bring out all the bombast from the supposedly compassionate Left so people remember how hard they fought for the failing status quo.

    The worst part is that the loudest critics of the underwhelming fix-it bills won't be the ones to suffer but maybe their constituents will wake up and realize their representatives aren't looking out for The People's genuine best interests, only for their own power trip.

  • RedShirtCalTech Pasedena, CA
    May 12, 2017 8:28 a.m.

    To "David Lloyd-Jones" slow down there. You are going beyond what I have stated. I said nothing about the sick.

    I stated that in Canada the DEATH rate due to wait lists is greater than the DEATH rate in the US due to no insurance. I have proven that using verifiable numbers.

    Yes, look at the research by Robert L. Ohsfeldt and John E. Schneider at the University of Iowa have published data where they calculate the life expectancy in the US and many other developed countries and account for accidents. They found that the US has a 76.9 year life expectancy vs. a 76 year life expectancy for the other nations in their study.

    Although it is humorous that you dismiss the report based on data from the Canadian government. If the numbers I present are wrong, prove it. I have given you verifiable evidence, yet you refuse to accept the science.

  • David Lloyd-Jones Toronto, 00
    May 12, 2017 12:13 a.m.

    Fine, HarvardRedShirt, you've given us one side of the ledge -- using the somewhat histrionic rightwing Fraser Institute. What's your total number for uninsured Americans? And what's your percentage number for uninsured Americans who are already sick?

    Are you seriously claiming that uninsured Americans who are sick and need hospital or procedures have death rates lower than 24/100,000 per year?

    So far you haven't presented an atom of proof on this in either direction.

    You claim that Americans die younger because they have more accidents. I don't know. What we know from your theory is that more Americans die from their accidents apparently.


  • RedShirtCalTech Pasedena, CA
    May 11, 2017 4:17 p.m.

    To "Doug10" what is more amazing is that you actually think that universal care works.

    Tell us, what is the purpose of Government? Who competes with government if the government is the only source for healthcare? If there is no competition, what incentive is there to do anything better?

    Here is another thing to think about. Medicare insures about 1/3 of the US. They lose twice as much money to fraud and waste than private insurance companies do. That means for every $1 lost by private companies the Government loses $2.

    You may think that wait lists are not real, but the Canadian Medical Association and Canadian Government don't. In fact there are many verifiable studies on wait lists and the loss of life associated with them.

  • Doug10 Roosevelt, UT
    May 11, 2017 1:51 p.m.

    Mia it is tragic you expect us to believe this tripe.

    Pres Trump was going to take the bull by the horns and and make America great again.

    Do you think from the remarks here and from the majority of Americans think the old broken system was better than the new and "improved"?

    Please explain the purpose of insurance companies. They don't fix things, they take patients money. They are not entitled to any part and our country can function without them, proven by many other countries. It is not rocket science.

    I have lived in Europe, and Canada and US. Other countries do not suffer from such high medical costs. Doctors, drugs and hospitals do not cost more here than anywhere else. Those are fixed costs as are the costs to hire and house thousands of health insurance employees.

    Waiting lists are tall tales from my experience. Less than 2 years ago a friend in Canada got put on a waiting list for gall bladder surgery, wait time was 8 days, he drove 75 miles to a smaller community and had it done the next day. That is not even an option in this country.

    One reason insurance companies are here is Sen Hatch received over $175,000 from insurance companies to help elect him.

  • RedShirtCalTech Pasedena, CA
    May 11, 2017 11:47 a.m.

    To "David Lloyd-Jones" you are wrong. The proof is there.

    According to the study "The Effect of Wait Times on Mortality in Canada" by the Frasier Institute, up to 63,000 women died over a 15 year period waiting for care. (That number can be confirmed by other Canadian Medical Journals. )If women represent half the people that died on the wait list, that means 126,000 people died waiting for care. That is 8400 people per year. With a population of 35 million, that means you have 24 per 100,000 people dying while on a wait list. That does not include children, which would only RAISE that rate.

    In the US there (prior to the ACA) there were 45,000 total deaths per year due to a lack of insurance. That means the rate was 15 per 100,000.

    Last I checked 15 is less than 24+

    Also FYI, using life expectancy as a measure is bad because US men are more prone to accidental deaths that have nothing to do with healthcare.

  • David Lloyd-Jones Toronto, 00
    May 11, 2017 10:08 a.m.

    RedShirtHarvard's claim (that more people die on waiting lists in Canada than from lack of insurance, by which he means to imply lack of health care, in the United States) cries out for proof.

    He provides none. There is none.

    Canadian men have life expectancies slightly more than two years longer than American men. I have found no other measures of health status in which Americans are better off than Canadians. I have found many -- men and women's health care at all ages, among others -- in which Canadians are better off. Google is your friend.

    Perhaps our Crimson friend can supply a more developed and fact-based version of his thought?

  • RedShirtHarvard Cambridge, MA
    May 11, 2017 7:55 a.m.

    To "migraine" so what you are saying is that everybody else should pay for those people that decided to not get insurance for years, then developed a problem. Imagine how much car insurance would be if you could buy it AFTER you got in an accident.

    You claim that "Freedom is slavery, ignorance is strength" yet you are the one that is advocating forcing others to work for your support (slavery) and are ignoring the facts that pre-existing conditions was not an issue before the ACA. You are also ignoring the fact that 93% of the uninsured were that way by choice prior to the ACA.

    You have the GOP confused with Liberalism.

    To "Docsta B" actually the countries that have universal care do NOT have a better system. If you compare the number of deaths per 100,000 in Canada due to waiting for care vs. the number of deaths per 100,000 in the US due to lack of insurance, there were more people dying in Canada waiting for care than in the US.

    Yes everybody is covered, but you will literally die waiting for care.

  • Docsta B Salt Lake City, UT
    May 10, 2017 5:42 p.m.

    Nearly every other developed country in the world provides universal health care for all its citizens, most for about half what we pay in the US.

    Nearly every other developed country has BETTER healthcare than us - no matter what Republicans try to fearmonger about single payer systems (and many countries have options besides single payers), nearly every other developed country has longer life expectancy, fewer infant deaths, and fewer deaths of pregnant moms than we do here.

    If every other person in the room does something better than you, and for less money, then who cares whether you're a Dem or a Republican - why not think long and hard about why you're the only idiot in the room trying to do things the old way?

    The GOP's AHCA is just a poorly-masked tax cut for millionaires so that Trump can dump millions of poor people off of their healthcare coverage - thanks for the "access to coverage," Mia Love, but no thanks for making it up to 5 times as expensive as last year's plan.

    Truly innovative health care would at least begin by explaining why we still choose a system light years more expensive than every other developed country's healthcare.

  • migraine Salt Lake City, UT
    May 10, 2017 5:29 p.m.

    So Mia Love joins the Orwellian doublespeak train, in lockstep with her crazed GOP majority ("Freedom is slavery, ignorance is strength"):

    Yay! Preexisting conditions under Trumpcare are still "covered," as long as you pay up to 5x the insurance premiums. Self-employed family insurance premiums already cost $20K per year right now - quintuple that and none of us can afford insurance. GOP-majority states will let insurance dump you without a shred of sympathy, just like they did in the "good old days" Orrin Hatch fantasizes about. My life insurance already charges me twice the usual rate, just for answering honestly about using an asthma inhaler 30 years ago in junior high. Health insurers will use every miniscule preexisting condition to charge you through the nose.

    "High risk pools" under Trumpcare are catastrophically underfunded - its $8billion in Band-Aid funding will not even remotely cover you if you end up in those pools, and Mia Love won't be there to save you either.

    Hospitals will have to go back to the old system where your ER visit costs 3-4x what your own care needed, so that you can pay for all the uninsured patients sitting next to you too.

  • Mike Richards South Jordan, Utah
    May 10, 2017 12:57 p.m.

    The primary duty of every person elected to Congress is to uphold the Constitution. Mia Love swore an oath to do that. Now, she's playing politics with ObamaCare. She knows, or at least she should know that the People never authorized Congress to tax us for healthcare. She knows, or should know that Congress can only levy taxes for enumerated duties. Article I, Section 8 lists those duties. Healthcare is not on that list. She knows, or she should know that ANY duty not enumerated in the Constitution must be left to the States or to the people.

    Standing against something for the wrong reason is a poor excuse for acting. She needs to do the right thing for the right reason. Mia Love needs to learn that lesson before she is fired for playing politics. We can read. She is not keeping her oath of office to protect us from government over-reach.

  • RanchHand Huntsville, UT
    May 10, 2017 12:28 p.m.


    I don't have a twitter account, I have never sent a tweet and I don't actually follow his insanity. You can't miss his tweets though, every tweet is daily news.

  • RedShirtHarvard Cambridge, MA
    May 10, 2017 9:10 a.m.

    To "RanchHand " I don't care what Trump thinks. I don't follow him on Twitter, however, it is interesting that you do. That is why I said that YOU should answer The Educator's question about Trump's thoughts.

    Politicians lie, and will tell the world one thing while they do the exact opposite.

  • RanchHand Huntsville, UT
    May 10, 2017 7:15 a.m.


    I'm saying that Donald Trump tweets every single thought that crosses his mind. He can't help himself. If YOU want to know what he thinks, you can easily find out. Just read his twitter feed. You're the one who said you can't read his mind. I simply pointed out to YOU that it isn't necessary since his mind is all over twitter.

  • RedShirtHarvard Cambridge, MA
    May 9, 2017 5:00 p.m.

    To "RanchHand" so are you saying the "The Educator" can just Google to find the answers to the questions that she so desperately wants answers to? Can you answer "The Educator's" questions, because I don't care what Trump's motivations are.

    To "Irony Guy" and before the ACA the states were mandated to have a high risk insurance pool that would provide insurance to uninsurable people. The 1995 HIPAA act mandated that pool and also mandated that subsidies be given based on income. So, the ACA did not actually fix a problem, it just made insurance more expensive. Here is the irony, the Republicans who controlled congress had already fixed the problem of uninsurable people 15 years before the Democrats repackaged the Republican fix.

  • Irony Guy Bountiful, Utah
    May 9, 2017 4:45 p.m.

    The grand irony in all of this is that Obamacare already provided for high-risk pools in order to keep premiums low.

    But the Republicans sabotaged the pools by refusing to fund them. It was this very Mia Love and her pals who destroyed the high-risk pools under ACA and now blame ACA for high premiums.

    So now, what is the Republican solution to the problem? High-Risk Pools!

    As long as it was a Democratic idea, it was terrible. But now, voila, it's a Republican idea, and that makes America great again!

  • RanchHand Huntsville, UT
    May 9, 2017 4:18 p.m.

    RedShirt says:

    "That is the only honest answer I can give. Since I cannot read minds, I cannot tell you what he was thinking."

    You don't have to read his mind since he tweets every thought that crosses it. So, are you being honest when you say "I cannot tell you what he was thinking"? He already told you what he was thinking.

  • GaryO Virginia Beach, VA
    May 9, 2017 3:25 p.m.

    "This week, I fulfilled a promise to my constituents by voting to repeal and replace the Affordable Care Act (ACA)" - Mia Love

    Ha! Did she really?

    I don't think so. Did she promise to merely TRY to repeal and replace Obamacare? Has Obamacare been repealed and replaced yet?

    Even if this bill miraculously makes it through both Houses unchanged, and it's signed into law, it's still not a repeal and replacement of Obamacare.

    It's just a MODIFICATION of Obamacare.

    "I fulfilled a promise to my constituents . . ."

    What a bunch of Trump!

    Republican politicians lie a lot don't they? BTW, Obamacare is much more popular than either Trump or our ridiculous Republican Congress. The majority of Americans favor Obamacare.

    "Poll: Majority of Americans want to keep Obamacare" - USA Today

    That means our Republican Congress and our illegitimate President are working directly AGAINST the wishes of most Americans.

    Republicans politicians are really out of touch aren't they? . . . Especially Mormon Republican Politicians.

    "Nobody dies because they don't have access to health care." - RaÚl Labrador

    My Heck! Does this guy have Trump for brains, or what?!

  • RedShirtHarvard Cambridge, MA
    May 9, 2017 2:24 p.m.

    To "The Educator" since you are demanding answers to questions. Tell us how giving away $500 billion/yr to welfare and foreign aid has helped the US debt?

    Tell us why you were silent from 2009 to 2015 about Obama adding 400% more than Bush did? Why do you suddenly care about the debt after spending 8 years in silence?

    Answer those questions, and don't deviate from them like you always do.

  • RedShirt USS Enterprise, UT
    May 9, 2017 2:21 p.m.

    To "The Educator" I will give you the answer that I give my kids when they want me to tell them the intentions of other people. GO ASK HIM. I am not Trump, I don't agree with him on Trumpcare.

    That is the only honest answer I can give. Since I cannot read minds, I cannot tell you what he was thinking.

    However, you seem to think that people are capable of reading other people's minds.

    If you want to discuss the number of deaths that occur as a direct result of universal care, and how it increases the death rate in a nation, I can do that.

    Again, if you want to understand Trump's motivations and thoughts, don't as me, ask Trump.

  • RanchHand Huntsville, UT
    May 9, 2017 2:15 p.m.

    Oh, Mia, Mia, Mia.

    When you have to lie about your plan to make even barely palatable, you're cause is not just.

    Lies are not something you should be doing right now; we can see through them.

  • RedShirt USS Enterprise, UT
    May 9, 2017 2:15 p.m.

    To "1aggie" but a denial by one of the health insurance companies did not mean that a person could not get insurance. All a "denial" meant was that you had to go to the state and get into the high risk pool. If a person was uninsured, typically it was their choice. Prior to the ACA, most of the people that were uninsured could either afford insurance or qualified for government programs. Only 7% of the 40,000 uninsured didn't qualify for government insurance and couldn't afford their own insurance.

    To "The Real Maverick"prior to the ACA there was a federal law that created high risk insurance pools. Utah's was called HIPUtah, and was mandated to accept people deemed uninsurable.

    If healthcare is a right, show me the line in the constitution that says "Healthcare". You do realize that by making healthcare a right you are re-enacting slavery because you are now forcing people to serve you. Do you really want to bring back slavery?

    I hate to break it to you, but it is a well established fact that the ACA raised insurance rates. Even the CBO found that just the pre-existing condition clause raised rates by 25%.

  • marxist Salt Lake City, UT
    May 9, 2017 1:58 p.m.

    @REdShirt "First of all, few companies would deny somebody insurance if they had a pre-existing condition. There were some conditions that resulted in a person being uninsurable, but that was a very small group."

    Totally false. Watch "Sicko."

    What most insurance companies had was a waiting period of 6 to 12 months where they wouldn't cover a pre-existing condition if you were not previously insured, "

    In which case you could die of cancer while you waited.

  • The Educator South Jordan, UT
    May 9, 2017 12:34 p.m.

    @ All American

    Mia love hasn't read the bill. She has admitted to not reading it. Who from the House has read it?

    Just how many seats are the repubs gonna lose in 2018 because of this abomination?

    Oh and the debt. Remember that debt thingie? How does giving $800 billion in free stuff to rich people help the debt?

    You repubs are so rich. Silent from 2000-08 about the debt. Scream about it nonstop for 8 years. Now you're back to being silent. Hilarious!

    Get Educated

  • The Educator South Jordan, UT
    May 9, 2017 12:30 p.m.


    Look at how all of the the regressives have run away. Like moths to the flame, real facts, not alt facts, scare them off.

    Donald promised universal health care when he was bribing people for votes. Trumpcare doesn't do that. Just the other day Donald praised Australia for its single payer system which provides universal health care.

    So Redshirt, when Donald promised universal coverage, was he just making empty promises to give away free stuff to gain votes? Or does Donald really not understand what universal health care is? Which is it? And please, don't deviate away from these questions as you usually do. Answer them. Be consistent. Thanks bud!

    Get Educated

  • All American Herriman, UT
    May 9, 2017 11:51 a.m.

    I'm am constantly amazed how many people listen to the "fake" talking points of the Left, continually parrot them, ignore what is said by a Representative who HAS read the bill and voted for it, continue to whine, condemn, and basically castigate anyone who is wise enough to wait and see what actually comes out of the whole mess.

  • TheJester American Fork, UT
    May 9, 2017 11:49 a.m.

    It is gratifying to see that my fellow citizens are not bamboozled by Ms. Love's propaganda (supplied, I'm sure, directly from the Republican National Committee).

    I would provide my own comments on Mia's editorial, but Eugene Robinson (of the Washington Post) has a much better take:

    The repeal-and-replace bill passed by the House last week is nothing short of an abomination. It is so bad that Republicans can defend it only by blowing smoke and telling lies.

    “You cannot be denied coverage if you have a preexisting condition,” House Speaker Paul D. Ryan (R-Wis.) said — true in the narrowest, most technical sense but totally false in the real world, since insurance companies could charge those people astronomically high premiums, pricing them out of the market if, as often happens, they let their coverage lapse.

    “There are no cuts to the Medicaid program,” Health and Human Services Secretary Tom Price said — a bald-faced lie, given that Republicans want to cut $880 billion from Medicaid in order to offset a big tax cut for the rich.

  • 1aggie SALT LAKE CITY, UT
    May 9, 2017 11:36 a.m.

    Utah ranks #42 highest (7.17%) in the number of uninsured children in the U.S, and #35 overall in the number of people without health insurance. (the state with the lowest uninsured rate,-#1, is Massachusetts, worst, #50, is Texas).

    (source: Wallethub)

  • 1aggie SALT LAKE CITY, UT
    May 9, 2017 11:13 a.m.

    Historically, Republicans have opposed healthcare reform. Generally speaking, "survival of the fittest" is the base from which they operate. Healthcare is available to all who are willing to work and become self-sufficient.

    While that would be ideal, the reality is much more complex. And, in the center of that rosy picture lies large corporations who are seeking to maximize profits. Corporations believe if someone dies as a result of not being able to afford proper medical care it is not on them.

    Not for second do I believe Republican legislators want to solve the problem of the uninsured. They would happily return to the status quo.

    "All the ACA did was make it so that you could go without insurance until you got diagnosed with something serious, then you could get insurance until your treatment was over"

    You highlight one thing that definitely needed to be fixed with the ACA. There are other things that needed fixing as well--such as extending the reinsurance window.

    (Not "all" what the ACA did. For the first time, many people were able to purchase health insurance. Prior to ACA denials were not rare).

  • JosephwouldbeproACA Lake Oswego, OR
    May 9, 2017 10:50 a.m.

    Just a reminder, Utah was one of 19 states who declined expanding medicaid in their state, denying funds for health benefits to Utah's most needy. So when Mia says the ACA was destined to fail, it's easy to picture her, arms folded on the sidelines, refusing to help her team (fellow Americans) out of spite. Even the title of her op-ed is crazy. The AHCA is the status quo. It's trying to erase the strides made by the ACA (the benefits of which I see everyday in the clinic I work at), and return our healthcare system back to the Stone Age of pre-ACA.

  • The Real Maverick Spanish Fork, UT
    May 9, 2017 10:14 a.m.

    @ Red

    "actually, has not voted to deny others the same privilege her parents had. She has voted to enforce existing immigration laws."

    had existing immigration laws been followed, Mia's family would've been sent back to whatever 3rd world country they were from. Instead, they overstayed their visas by 6 months so that baby Mia could anchor them here. Furthermore, Mia used pell grants and subsidized loans (paid for by me) to obtain her music degree. Now she votes against those programs? She has hers, to heck to everyone else.

    "it has been on everybody, and has done the most damage to the poor. "

    Wrong. Payroll taxes hit the rich and corporations the most. Do you know what a payroll tax is?

    "so, tell us why it is ok to force others to pay for YOUR life?"

    Health care is a right.

    "It will only make things worse because a single payer system destroys ALL INCENTIVES to innovate. It is a REGRESSIVE policy."

    First of all, you don't know what regressive means. Secondly, Japan is a single payer and they have briefcase sized MRI machines that they've innovated. Seen our MRI machines lately? More Americans leave the country for health care than foreigners coming in.

  • The Real Maverick Spanish Fork, UT
    May 9, 2017 10:06 a.m.

    @ Redshirt

    The alt facts are rampant! Here, let me help you out (and I don't need 10 other usernames to educate you).

    "First of all, few companies would deny somebody insurance if they had a pre-existing condition. "

    Wrong. The AMA reports that more than 15 million Americans were denied coverage prior to the ACA. That is the population of Utah, 5 times over. Yikes, facts!

    "All the ACA did was make it so that you could go without insurance until you got diagnosed with something serious"

    Wrong again, the ACA provided insurance for more than 20 million Americans and extended coverage for those young adults by 2 more years.

    "Everybody could get coverage, if they wanted. All the ACA did was make insurance more expensive and cover less."

    You must be talking about Trumpcare. But you forgot a little detail, Trumpcare redistributes wealth. Instead of the poor, very young, older, and people with pre-existing conditions obtaining health care, their health care is being redistributed in wealth handouts to those like Trump, who are already very wealthy. It's the GOP's Final Solution.

    Thanks Donald! Nice job dude!

  • pragmatistferlife salt lake city, utah
    May 9, 2017 7:42 a.m.

    National Review.."Since these provisions only involve the individual insurance market, a small slice of the overall insurance picture (about 18 million are on the individual market), and merely make possible state waivers, they are inherently limited. You’re not affected if you get insurance through your employer (155 million people), or through Medicaid or Medicare. "

    Oh my word..Republicans have for years now screamed about the sky rocketing prices of health insurance because of Obamacare, never, ever, bothering to mention that these increases only effect "a small slice of the overall insurance picture". Of course Democrats did a miserable job of making that point themselves.

    The fact is if Republicans truly wanted to make American business more competitive they would get businesses out of the health insurance business with a single payer system. Something that would have far more effect than tax reform, and it would solve all this other nonsense.

    Now Mia Love tries the same tactic with a "percentage of a percentage"

  • RedShirt USS Enterprise, UT
    May 9, 2017 6:54 a.m.

    The lies that the left has told about the pre-existing conditions is amazing.

    First of all, few companies would deny somebody insurance if they had a pre-existing condition. There were some conditions that resulted in a person being uninsurable, but that was a very small group. What most insurance companies had was a waiting period of 6 to 12 months where they wouldn't cover a pre-existing condition if you were not previously insured, but they would cover all other aspects of your health care. If you were previously insured, they would continue to cover your treatments.

    All the ACA did was make it so that you could go without insurance until you got diagnosed with something serious, then you could get insurance until your treatment was over. Once your treatment was done you could drop your insurance.

    Now, those that were deemed uninsurable could still get subsidized insurance through a federally mandated program that was run by the state to provide insurance to those that insurance companies deemed uninsurable.

    Everybody could get coverage, if they wanted. All the ACA did was make insurance more expensive and cover less.

  • 1aggie SALT LAKE CITY, UT
    May 9, 2017 5:37 a.m.

    Warren Buffet said his personal tax bill would be 17 percent lower under the GOP health measure — about $680,000 on his tax bill of a "little less than $4 million.

    All while insurance companies can hike rates for those with preexisting conditions.

    Good job Mia.

  • Utah Girl Chronicles Eagle Mountain, UT
    May 8, 2017 9:17 p.m.

    I did a "word search" to see how many times Mia Love mentioned "Medicare" in her op-ed.

    It was not mentioned once.

    Mia, I know you love to do those Facebook chats and teleconferences with your admiring constituents and someday I'll figure out the secret password.

    But in the interim, could you tell us how $880 billion dollars being de-funded from Medicare will be a boon to your constituents?

  • marxist Salt Lake City, UT
    May 8, 2017 5:22 p.m.

    OK, let's cut to the chase. Rep Love's AHCA puts individuals with pre-existing conditions into a separate category or container from those not so affected. The purpose is to lower health care costs for the young and healthy, with the weak promise the sick will be taken care of elsewhere, i.e. so-called "high risk" pools. These have NEVER been supported by state governments. The whole AHCA thing is to get the really ill cordoned off where they can be left to expire, that's die, without bothering the young and healthy.

    Oh, and BTW, Representative Love, as a senior I know the major goal of representative Ryan is to cut off medicare. The intent is largely the same as above, i.e. get the sick out of the way as soon as possible.

  • unrepentant progressive Bozeman, MT
    May 8, 2017 4:31 p.m.

    Ms Love is not my Congressional Representative. However, her vote has massive consequences for me and my family. I have a right to express my opinion when it comes to such important decisions.

    Ms Love, your rationale lack merit. Others have adequately laid out the reasons. And sadly, I doubt you give one care whether your constituents or the rest of the country will suffer the consequences of your ill considered actions. Clearly, you exercised little political courage to do what is right for the country and your district.

    Sadly, you will be re-elected as you have the proper affiliations to retain office. Sad not only for your district, but the countrt\y.

  • SusanScrubOak Salt Lake City, UT
    May 8, 2017 4:11 p.m.

    Before the ACA implemented preexisting condition protections for the insured, insurance companies each used their own lists of preexisting conditions in order to deny coverage of catastrophic illness. Some of the diagnoses, treatments, and conditions insurance companies used for the purpose of denying coverage:

    Acne, domestic assault, sexual assault, gout, fatty liver, joint replacement, heart pacemaker, heart enlargement, kidney dialysis, Alzheimer's disease, infertility treatment, gall stones, fibromyalgia, Leukimia, Lou Gerhrig's disease, ovarian cancer, liver cancer, pancreatic cancer

    When Mia Love voted for this bill, she voted for the MacArthur Amemdment which waives members of congress and their staff from being subjected to the removal of preexisting condition protections should their own state legislatures allow insurance companies deny coverage to those with preexisting conditions. States, due to the influence of money in politics, will be incentivized to allow insurance companies charge more to those that need coverage the most, yet can afford coverage the least.

    Mia Love can sleep at night, can you?

  • Justiciaparatodos Salt Lake City, UT
    May 8, 2017 3:37 p.m.

    As a constituent, I really appreciate Congresswoman Mia Love giving detailed information about the new healthcare bill and why she voted for it.

    As a consumer and healthcare professional, I am deeply concerned about (1) that pre-existing conditions are covered for citizens under the new GOP bill and at no increased cost than anyone else (2) I am concerned that more isn't being said about the need to reduce the cost of healthcare. It is going to be difficult to lower insurance premiums, co-pays, etc if insurance companies must continue to cover the excessive costs of over-priced drugs, inflated hospital and surgical charges and the like.

  • SusanScrubOak Salt Lake City, UT
    May 8, 2017 3:21 p.m.

    Mia Love is correct that states aren't given a waiver. States would be allowed to decide if coverage of preexisting conditions is protected or not. States would be incentivized to remove preexisting condition guarantees so that insurers can charge more to those with preexisting conditions. It is discriminatory and negates the purpose of having a large insurance pool to keep costs under control.

    This bill didn't give a waiver to states, it gave a waiver to members of congress and their staff so their families continue to be protected by preexisting condition guarantees no matter what their home states decide.

  • Frozen Fractals Salt Lake City, UT
    May 8, 2017 3:06 p.m.

    A few weeks ago the first version of this bill was scored as significantly increasing premiums for the poor and elderly because the subsidies in the AHCA were way lower than in the ACA. The average increase for a low-income 60 year old would be up to 10,000 dollars more they'd have to pay than now, bringing premiums of almost 50% of their annual income. That part wasn't really changed in this version (after all, if Mia's bragging about all the reductions in revenue then that either means the deficit would increase significantly, or the spending parts of the bill would be significantly reduced... the CBO scored the old version of the bill as reducing the deficit because there was a massive reduction in spending... primarily through decreased subsidies and cuts to Medicaid).

  • The Real Maverick Spanish Fork, UT
    May 8, 2017 2:57 p.m.

    Hey Mia, how long did it take for you to read Trumpcare?

    Mia, what was your favorite part?

    Mia, what will those being cut from Medicare do now?

    Mia, what will those with pre-existing conditions do now?

    Why are those benefiting the most from Trumpcare those who make $250k or more? Why didn't Mia wait for the CBO score?

    Why doesn't Mia give all taxpayers the same plan that she enjoys? Anyone care to ask Mia that? Why isn't Mia answering any of her emails? Why has her voicemail been full for weeks? Why has Mia canceled all of her town hall meetings? why is Mia MIA?

    Lets face it, Trumpcare is the GOP's Final Solution.

    They don't want to pay for the health care of those sick, older, and poor. But they do want to enrich a handful. How many millions will the right exterminate because of this irresponsible and radial alt right bill? Heck, less than 17 percent of the populace even supports it!

    Is this what America needs right now?

  • Utah Health Policy Project Salt Lake City, UT
    May 8, 2017 2:53 p.m.

    The AHCA allows insurers to discriminate against people based on their health status. Utah's leaders have already said they would seek the federal waivers to bring back this discrimination. No matter how much Rep. Mia Love protests, she voted for a bill that allows insurance companies to review your medical records, make a list of all your medical problems, and then raise your premiums as high as they want to. If you can't afford these jacked-up premiums, your only recourse is to see coverage in an under-funded high-risk pool which will barely cover 1/4 of the people with pre-existing conditions. As a result, these high risk pools will have capped enrollment, waiting periods to cover pre-existing conditions, and insanely high premiums and deductibles. That's the kind of healthcare system that Rep. Mia Love voted for you...

  • RedShirt USS Enterprise, UT
    May 8, 2017 2:50 p.m.

    To "Impartial7" actually, has not voted to deny others the same privilege her parents had. She has voted to enforce existing immigration laws.

    To "Kent C. DeForrest" but the tax has NOT been on the wealthy. It has been on everybody, and has done the most damage to the poor. Some of the taxes that were imposed were on medical device companies and drug manufacturers. So, imagine poor Grandma in the slums who cannot afford her insulin now because the ACA has raised the taxes on the companies that produce the supplies she needs.

    To "Hutterite" so, tell us why it is ok to force others to pay for YOUR life? I thought that slavery was outlawed, but you sound like you want it back so that you can live off the backs of others.

    To "Fullypresent" actually a single payer system won't work like your ilk thinks. It will only make things worse because a single payer system destroys ALL INCENTIVES to innovate. It is a REGRESSIVE policy.

  • theschultzy Salt Lake City, UT
    May 8, 2017 2:05 p.m.

    Rep. Love voted to pass this bill WITHOUT READING IT, and then EXEMPTED HERSELF FROM IT because it's so horrible.

    Let's think about that: a Congresswoman passes a bill then votes to make sure it doesn't apply to her. Is this a democracy? Why would voters put up with this? Please, is there a moderate Republican out there willing to oust her in the primary?

    PS-- she also voted to allow Comcast to harvest and sell your browser history without your knowledge or permission, after taking tens of thousands of dollars from telecom interests. I called her office SIX times asking for them to identify one way that bill helps any of her constituents, five times they said they didn't know and one time they hung up on me.


  • FT salt lake city, UT
    May 8, 2017 1:59 p.m.

    @highschool fan
    The sky is not falling. That is partisan hyperbole. The individual market is in trouble due to the mandate not bringing in enough healthy people into the pool. Seems there are millions of healthy, irresponsible Americans who would rather pay an $800 fine and use emergency rooms and go fund me accounts as their preferred suppliers.
    Employee based programs, medicare, and medicaid are functioning well and serving millions of more Americans than they were prior to Obamacare.
    There are bi-partisan solutions to the problem if all agree the goal is to insure as many, if not all, Americans as possible. But since the GOP believes otherwise any debate and action will always be controlled by the party in power. It's the GOP's turn to leave their foot print on the issue and if Americans believe they've done a poor job we should expect them to be voted out of office.

  • silo Sandy, UT
    May 8, 2017 1:01 p.m.

    @mia love

    "The biggest misconception about the replacement for ACA is about pre-existing conditions."

    The devil is in the details Ms Love, and Politifact rates your claim as Mostly False.

    While the AHCA does not allow insurance companies to refuse coverage, it does allow them to manipulate the cost of that coverage for those with pre-existing conditions.

    Can they now refuse coverage to those with pre-existing conditions - No
    Can they now price those patients out of coverage - Absolutely

  • high school fan Huntington, UT
    May 8, 2017 12:58 p.m.

    It is absolutely amazing that each of these liberals that have posted here don't seem to even care that Obamacare is getting closer each and every day to complete failure for all. Wake up, Obamacare is failing and if Democrats weren't so far over the edge they would get together with Republicans and truly solve this issue once and for all. This is not a right, left package but this should be an American package.
    I have a neighbor that loves his Affordable Care, so far this year he has paid over $50,000 out of pocket for premium and deductible and yes he has a preexisting condition but it is a good thing he makes some money to cover his healthcare rather his retirement.
    High premium, high deductibles, low coverage-what we have is not fair to anyone.

  • Whatever Springville, UT
    May 8, 2017 12:48 p.m.

    Are we really surprised that Republicans voted for a huge tax cut for the wealthy at the expense of the poor? That's what they do... That's practically all they do.

    Voters need to wake up. Mia Love has no business being in the House of Representatives.

  • kmike las vegas, NV
    May 8, 2017 12:47 p.m.

    I am not in your district but your vote affected me. I take strong offense to the precondition to repeal the ACA (obamacare) as a campaign promise.

    It took Mr Trump to make the ACA popular.

    Yes it had it's problems.

    But you should not have voted for such a I'll conceived plan, that will drop up to 24 million off of Insurance over a 10 year period.

    Why the hurry.

    Were you pressured or promised by Paul Ryan.

    Now the Senate is going to try and clean up the houses mess.

    At the end of the day it will be scraped.

    How many more times is the Republican controlled house going to try and fix Health Care.

    Untill Pres Obama put forth the ACA, it was the status quo.

    Insurance companies did what they want.

    Now the GOP wants to let them do it again.

    I strongly believe that those who voted for this Ryan/Trump mess will have to fight to keep their job in 2018.

  • FT salt lake city, UT
    May 8, 2017 12:13 p.m.

    No where in Mia's partisan editorial is any mention how she voted for a bill that impacts 20% of our economy without waiting another week for a CBO score on the impacts of citizens and our finances. Enough of your staged telephone town halls, please have an open, in person meeting so you can see the rage and frustration first hand.

  • There You Go Again St George, UT
    May 8, 2017 12:05 p.m.

    Mia Love...

    You voted to replace the ACA with something you knew was recently approved by only 17% of Americans.

    In your haste to pass something...anything... you inadvertently revealed your initial motivation was to exclude you and yours from participating in this ill conceived law.

    I've got mine...let them eat cake.

    Your addendum to this fact belies the evidence or your original motivation.

    You say you want the feds out of the business of health care.

    Yet, your plan requires billions of dollars of federal subsidies to make certain that your plan will provide health care regardless of pre-existing condition.

    You say a primary benefit of your decision is to provide a tax cut.

    How did a health care plan morph into a tax cut?

    So, the primary motivation for this legislation is a tax cut.

    It doesn't take much research to determine which 2% of Americans will benefit from this tax cut.

    The Senate has been less than kind regarding your efforts.

    They say they will write their own health care plan.

    Regarding the Senate re-write:

    Affordable protection for Americans with pre-existing conditions as well as no lifetime limits on coverage would be a great place to start.

  • Fullypresent Salt Lake City, UT
    May 8, 2017 11:47 a.m.

    Impartial7 - DRAPER, UT
    May 8, 2017 10:40 a.m.
    There are many faces that go with the name of massive hypocrite, not just Love.
    The biggest problem with health care at this point including for corporations is costs of health care, not covering employees with insurance. Love & other Congressional reps should focus on cost containment, not cutting access to health care. There likely isn't any modern, industrialized country in the world that pays what the U.S. does for health care.

    Single payer system would help, reigning in drug costs with Big Pharm, and other health care costs. Part of containing costs is also at the individual level. People need to do everything they can to take care of their health and take responsibility for doing what they can to lower their health care costs. If people refuse to do these things or help themselves they should pay a lot more for health care costs as they are creating unnecessary strain and cost on the health care system. With right to health care goes responsibility for each person to do what they can to contain their health care costs.

  • Hutterite American Fork, UT
    May 8, 2017 11:35 a.m.

    Whatever the problems or perceived problems of the status quo, actively working to make the future worse is inexcusable.
    We all have a pre existing condition. Life. We should have coverage, and indeed rather than coverage we should have health care, that covers it.

  • Kent C. DeForrest Provo, UT
    May 8, 2017 11:26 a.m.

    Oh, come on, Mia. You voted for this monstrosity under the poor excuse that it is better than the ACA? Look at your misleading rhetoric:

    "A key benefit of this repeal is the elimination of the $1 trillion Obamacare tax burden on the American people."

    It's a burden only on the truly wealthy. And you traded a small tax on wealthy individuals and businesses for hiking rates on those who can least afford it. This is the Republican way. Ease the burden of the rich while sticking it to the poor and the sick.

    There is no excuse for voting for the Abominable Health Care Act of 2017, as 22 medical associations and other interested organizations showed by opposing it. This vote will stay with you through the next election cycle when it will prove your undoing.

  • Impartial7 DRAPER, UT
    May 8, 2017 10:40 a.m.

    I can't believe the gall of Utah GOP politicians. Mia Love, came to this country, and became an American citizen, as an anchor baby. She has voted to deny that same pathway for others to do the same. She has taxpayer funded health care that accepts pre-existing conditions, but then votes to deny that same type of coverage to millions of Americans. Wake up Utah voters. It's time to vote for people that care more about us than their corporate donors.