From what I've seen, Mr. Trump views loyalty as taking on his views and not
asking questions. Senator Hatch is apparently okay with that. Unfortunately,
many in Trump's circle have learned that loyalty is a one-way street when
dealing with him. Watch your back, Orrin.
Ends justify the means, right? I mean, all Hatch had to do was completely
compromise all of his morals to support Donald Trump, and as a result he was
able to potentially destroy some public lands.Win - win
Ann Nolan: 'Seeing as Native Americans were the original owners of this
land.' Ann, may I ask where is there deed? Perhaps we need to contact
some 'indigenous' natives from South America, Mesopotamia, or Africa
to see if they fled the Americas because of being run off by descendants of the
current Native Americans? I am certain if we go back far enough, I can prove
what I am just stating? So, can we just stop the nonsense about the who really
owns this land? I would hate see the conflict from the literally hundreds of
tribes that would result if, in fact, they were all given the North American
deed and then told them to divide it up, of course, without using that deed
since they didn't believe in such a thing anyway!
The Geocommunicator is what needs Restored again With GPS Co-Ordinates so all
those hiking on BLM and other Lands can know what they are on, whether Private,
BLM, National Park, National Monument, Wilderness, Military Reservation, or
Whatever so they do not get into trouble for not knowing what they are on.
President Obama Eliminated that Essential Tool December of Last Year. That
Navigator they have in now on the BLM site now tells an avid outdoorsperson
-Nothing. The Geocommunicator was started under President Clinton, and
Improved to show all reservations of land under President Bush, then partially
destroyed when President Obama came into office, finished in destruction during
President Obama's Terms, with the Compete Elimination of it at the end of
his Term in December of 2016. It needs to be re-instated again with up
to date land information like it was proceeding President Obama's
Administration. Only those that like to illegally trespass on lands
should object to the re-instatement. There should be none that enjoy the
felony of trespassing on lands.
It is time for Senator Hatch to step down, Trump is a embarrassment to our
“Hatch says he hopes the executive order will eventually lead to access to
what he calls ‘environmentally sound coal’ on what is now the Grand
” There is no such thing as
“environmentally sound coal.” Coal spits out toxins and pollutants.
The waste from coal can’t be buried or dumped into rivers, without
destroying the environment. Coal mining jobs for the economically oppressed
constitute a form of human slavery at the hands of the coal companies profiting
off the back of their workers. “Clean coal” is a myth.
"The NYT needs to learn that legislation comes from the Congress to the
President; not the other way. If the Congress is in gridlock or is just a
collective bunch of deadbeats, there are limited options of what a President can
do to fix or move them."And yet just 5 short months ago this
didn't seem to be true - it was all Obama's fault - and congress was
just trying to do their best - but Obama was holding them back. Now...
evidently there has been a rapture in the galaxies logic and now it is the other
way around. The President is powerless and Congress is all to blame - even
though they are all in the same party.Go figure. Talk about not
taking ownership of your own situation.
Salty comment board
I am so glad that Senator Hatch is here to teach Native Americans what they
don't understand about the Bears Ears.Maybe he can tell my
mother what she doesn't know about beating breast cancer.Maybe
he can illuminate women about the facts of their menstrual cycle.Please Orin....teach us all that we do not know.
@Sheep Hunter - Bountiful, UT"We are 100 Percent opposed to 3.2
Million more acres being turned into a national Park, which means NO
HUNTING."Grand Staircase and Bears Ears are not National Parks.
Hunting and fishing is still allowed on them. Hunters and Fishers need to
work to protect and preserve. Drive up to Lake Caynon, Lake and on your way
look at all the oil pumps, sludge, and debris. Not the pristine land I or
others would want to hunt or fish on.You are on the wrong side on
this one. They just don't like it when people shoot high powered rifles
near natural gas wells my friend.
Theses are spectacular Federal lands, and they will stay in federal
ownership.the question is, how should these lands be managed:multiple Use conservation?National Monuments?National Parks?From the 10 Million hunters in America, and the
125,00 Utah hunters, we know that 30 years ago, there was hardly any wildlife in
these lands - Bears Ears, or Grand Staircase. Over the last 25
years, hunters and the state of Utah have invested tens of millions of $$ to
restore habitats, water development, and transplant herds of elk, deer, bison,
antelope, cougar, bear, desert bighorn sheep and wild turkeys into the area.the General Public, environmental groups or native American's have
contributed very little, if any $$ to these restoration efforts.Hunters are proud to restore game herds for all to enjoy, and pay for the
future management and protection of the habitats and herds.We are
100 Percent opposed to 3.2 Million more acres being turned into a national Park,
which means NO HUNTING.All five of the Utah NPs started as
Monuments.Thanks Orrin Hatch, a true warrior, and elder Statesman
who get things done for Utah! Trump won majority vote in 3,300 counties. HRC
Utah politicians have only themselves to blame. They have stonewalled against
wilderness legislation for three decades, which means national monuments are the
only way to protect our public lands. If the Utah congressional delegation had
been willing to listen to their own constituents, these issues could have been
resolved locally long ago. But our so-called representatives have sided with
industry against the people.
Hatch made a deal with the devil. The Utah legislature and Herbert are in sync
with with him. Very sad. These people are only in politics for the power and
greed. Character should count.
dustman - Gallup, NMYou have been mislead and misinformed by politicians.
Once U.S./State citizenship is achieved, neither Congress/State legislatures,
Presidents/Governors, Initiatives or Referendums have any Constitutional
authority to make a select group of U.S./State citizens distinguishable because
of their "Indian ancestry/race!"You have provided no Amendments to
the Constitution to change/make distinguishable their U.S./State citizenship.Read these two SCOTUS decisions on the definition of U.S./State
citizenship.United States Supreme Court AFROYIM v. RUSK, (1967) No. 456
Argued: February 20, 1967 Decided: May 29, 1967And United States
Supreme Court OSBORN v. BANK OF U.S., (1824) No. 80Argued: Decided:
March 19, 1824
Water rocket, you may be a descendant of those that practiced Mormonism but I am
a descendant of Sitting Bull, Crazy Horse and Quanah Park, those that protected
the land cherished it, and respected it. Seeing as Native Americans were the
original owners of this land and not the US federal Government nor the Mormons,
I don't see how either one has a right to it.
@Constitutional DefenderThe1924 Indian Citizenship Act does not
state that all previous agreements between the federal government and the tribes
are no longer in effect with the passage of the Act. The Act simply states that
all Indians born within the territorial boundaries of the US are citizens. It also states that "...the granting of such citizenship shall not
in any manner impair or otherwise affect the right of any Indian to tribal or
other property." Indian lands are federal lands, but held in reserve and
trust for the use of Indian people. Trust status is very hard to overcome, as
the government must always act in the best interest for tribes and their land.
Lastly, Indian is a political status. The relationship between
tribes and the federal government is a government-to-government relationship.
Any rights, privileges, and programs designated to Indian people has nothing to
do with their race, but has everything to do with their membership with their
tribe, a political entity/sovereign nation. Race has nothing to do with it. The US does not make treaties with a race of people. The US makes
treaties with recognized sovereign nations.
I wrote the comments, must not have been done just right. I believe residents
in Utah should look into history, back to the enabling act which let Utah into
the union. That act spelled out what land would belong to residents in Utah and
which would be held by the federal gov't (people from the whole union).
It also required some land users give up any claim of the land to the federal
gov,t. Utah should not be able to be get something back they never held. I
have not be able to find any document which show ownership to any of the federal
lands now shown as federal land. Records held by county recorders office shows
the land in question never was in ownership of the State of Utah. the land
should be left as it is. Ranchers, developers, important people etc should
never be given any type of ownership. Mr. ( and I use that very loose) Hatch
should have been removed from office when he became incapable, about 40 years
ago. Bears ears should be a national monument as it presently exists.
CAN'T GET BACK WHAT YOU NEVER OWNED. .
I don't understand the State of Utah getting back the land. First if you
look at document allowing Utah to become a State. There somethings that had to
be agreed on at that time. I am not able to find documentation ever giving the
State of Utah the federal land. That land is in the ownership of the federal
gov't where it was retained for the benefits for all people no just the
cattlemen or locale gov't or other well healed citizens who see a chance to
steal it from the people (Federal Gov't). Tell me what you think. Hatch
should have been removed before he became incapable.
I am the descendant of Mormon pioneers. The nations founding fathers held that
the government should not be in the business of owning land (that is a fact!).
When the territory of Deseret was being considered for statehood, the federal
government carved it up so that the "Mormons" wouldn't have too
much political influence, and then demanded they give up most of the land to
federal control. In other words, they were forced by unprincipled politicians
in Washington DC to accept what ever the feds demanded, or remain under
dictatorial territorial directorship, by appointment. The anti Mormon
discrimination that even persists to this day still influences decisions that
affect Utah and other western states.I like open access to what we
refer to as "public lands" and over the years, I have seen the feds
place restriction upon restriction on these lands. I am all for elimination of
the Antiquities Act, and rescinding the Bears Ears and Grand Staircase national
monuments. All they are is monuments to the Washington based environmental
groups, who really don't care one whit about Utah, or its citizens.
The Indian Citizenship Act of 1924 made moot all previous common law-state and
federal-including Presidential Executive Orders, Commerce Clause and Treaty
Clause. The United States Constitution makes for no provisions
for:1.Indian sovereign nations. 2.Treaties with its own
constituency 3.Indian reservations, with rare exception, is land owned by
the People of the United States according to federal documents readily available
on-line.4. There is no Constitution/international recognition of
“Indian citizenship."5. Politicians are duping non-Indian
citizensA simple question for politicians and MSM to answer
question so simple, it is hard:“Where is the proclamation ratified
by 1/3rd of the voters of the United States that amends the Constitution to make
the health, welfare, safety and benefits of a select group of U.S./State
citizens distinguishable because of their “Indian ancestry/race?”
first you abhor,then you toleratethen you embrace
The state is destroying itself. We allow companies to come in and tear apart our
landscape. Kennecott mine is on its way to tear down the mountain between Tooele
and Salt Lake City. Thank goodness they're closed right now for repairs.
The state allows this without any regard to the environment. For a state full of
hunters they don't seem to care what this does to deer and elk migration
patterns. Now they want to open up Bears Ears to oil and Gas extraction. Bishop
straight up said he wants this open for mining. Ain't nothing in Utah
sacred unless a man builds it in Utah. Gods creations are only obstacles to
progress I guess. We need to wake up and stop helping our elected servants line
their donor's pockets right before reelection. Our elected politicians sold
out, but the people of Utah cannot sell out.
Trump's offensive comments were done when he was a Democrat and was under
the influence of the Hollywood elite. He has matured since then.
At some point someone must address Hatch's Alzheimer's and it's
affect on his work. Everybody in DC knows he has a problem, but Utah is all hush
hush about it. We can not have our legislators making decisions when
they're not at a mental capacity to do so.
@banliberals - May 5, 2017 4:40 p.m.All of these people who live
outside of Utah love Obama ears! ----------------I live inside
Utah. I am one of he majority of people in Utah that want Bears Ears to
continue as a national monument.============If you love
it so much donate a 20 million acres from your own state before you take 20 from
us, comrades!-----------The land in Bars Ears was never
"ours". In the Enabling Act establishing the State of Utah, Utah
forever disclaimed (gave up) any right, title and interest in any land within
the Utah boundaries which had not specifically been granted by the federal
government to Utah. The land within Bears Ears remains as it has always been
-- property of all the citizens of the United States. It needs remain as such
In college I remember seeing a graph that showed Hatch was one of America's
most moderate Senators, but that was pre tea party and pre Obama. What happened
to Hatch? Now he seems to be leading the crazy train towards an
America supported by pillars of protectionism, neo-fascism, and nationalistic
propaganda, that cares only for the interests of the wealthy.
Thx Orrin. Keep the Feds' hands off of Utah
Looks like the story left out the mandatory tag line for all campaign ads:"I'm Orrin Hatch and I approved this ad."This is
hardly journalism as much as cronyism with a political campaign already in full
swing (or never shut down from the last one.Although barely
mentioned in the story, Hatch is but one of many people opposed to the
Antiquities Act land grab, but now that there is a parade, Hatch has jumped out
in front and takes credit for starting it. Hatch is right in his
actions in this case, but wrong to claim nearly exclusive credit for any roll
Good to have someone who combines common sense with a stiff spine to represent
Utah. Hope Hatch runs again.
Dear DN:Please do me a favor and give the NYT a lesson on the US
Constitution. Specifically, address this quote: "the New York Times has
declared the most ineffectual 100 days in modern political history, with no
significant legislation passed." The NYT needs to learn that
legislation comes from the Congress to the President; not the other way. If the
Congress is in gridlock or is just a collective bunch of deadbeats, there are
limited options of what a President can do to fix or move them.
The election of Donald Trump to the highest political office in the US
represents for me the lowest point--morally, politically--we've ever fallen
to in our nation's history. Sen. Hatch's faithful support of Mr.
Trump's campaign and election also represent for me the lowest point
we've fallen to in the State of Utah.
This is exactly why Hatch needs to go. And Trump is no outsider. He may not have
been in Washington, but he knows how the game is played and he's playing it
to the hilt. Of course gamesmanship is what Hatch has been doing all
these decades, when what we needed was statesmanship and true leadership. Hatch
and Trump are well-suited and they deserve each other.
All of these people who live outside of Utah love Obama ears! If you love it so
much donate a 20 million acres from your own state before you take 20 from us,
comrades!I like how the reporter calls Evan McMullin a moonshot
Observer is correct. Many of the major U.S. National Parks evolved from
National Monuments that were created from the Antiquities Act. It was then and
is still legal. It was only a few months ago that Hatch stood side by side with
Governor Herbert and bragged about the 8.1 billion dollars that tourism brought
in to Utah last year. Then he turns around a tries to eliminate some of the
source of this money. A classic case of a politician talking out of both sides
of his mouth.Sen. Hatch, you are not representing the majority of people
of Utah on the Bear's Ears issue. I am personally disappointed in you for
sacrificing your personal standards to grovel to the head alligator in the
swamp on the Bears Ears issue.
Senator Hatch really came through on this one. Of course thanks to President
Trump too.Yes I would vote for Senator Hatch again. I don't
quite understand why he would want to. Hasn't he ever heard of taking it
easy and relaxing or traveling?
Hatch has done a tremendous amount of good in some of the most adverse
circumstances. If he decides to run again, I'm all for him.
Anyone that hitches their wagon to vulgar Trump, deserves to face political
ruin when Trump goes down in flames. Just watch how many rats flee the sinking
ship when it happens.
One more reason for Utah voters to make certain Hatch is sent out to pasture in
the next election.
"Five of the most visited national parks — including the Grand Canyon,
Zion and Grand Teton in Idaho — were first protected using the Antiquities
Act."umm...Grand Teton Nat'l Park is in Wyoming, not Idaho.
Might want to check that...
It is interesting how apoplectic people are over this. I think Hatch is good
example of taking any bad situation and seeing what good he can make of it.
People are angry about the possibility that the monument may be rescinded or
modified. I would invite these people to read the Antiquities Act and then try
to square what Presidents Clinton, Obama and Bush II did with that loan of
authority from Congress. At best it was a clear over-reach and at worst a
violation of the law. We are, after all, a nation of laws. People are angry
that Hatch is working with Trump. I suppose they want Hatch to ignore Trump,
call him names, or grouse about Trump's conduct. Hatch condemned
Trump's personal conduct when it came to light. Hatch first endorsed Bush,
secondly, he endorsed Rubio, and finally supported Trump when it became clear
that he was going to be the nominee and that the Democrat nominee was flawed and
perhaps more legally troubling than Trump. So he supported Trump and now is
going to work with him to accomplish some good things. He's getting things
done while guys like Mike Lee are left without any influence. I, for one, hope
runs again. He has my vote because he delivers.
Describing use of the Antiquities Act to preserve public land as an
‘abuse’ is revealing as to the mindset of someone maneuvering to
rescind the designation. Don't be fooled by Hatch. He can be very cunning.
As a long time Hatch supporter, I feel it will be an honor to work against his
political carrier if he chooses to go for reelection. Not only has Hatch said
he is not going to go against his promise, he has lowered his morals and
standards beneath what I feel Utah deserves to represent the state. There are
plenty of good Republicans that can represent the state of Utah... it just
doesn't need to be Hatch any longer.
So much for Senator Hatch's "principles."
"Return it to the people". Do people actually believe this?
Rhetorical question, of course they do. They keep electing him. Shameful.
So Hatch starts off right away lying to make him and Utah... victims or
"picked on." Hatch then said the designation, one in what Hatch
saw as a long history of federal land grabs throughout the West, would greatly
restrict the way cattle ranchers, Native Americans and others in San Juan and
surrounding counties could use the land, possibly cutting them off from grazing
rights, coal extraction or simply gathering firewood.Which has been
proven wrong over and over, but hey who needs honesty when the dear leader
doesn't have to be honest.Then the motivator for the new greedy
developer POTUS.“It sounds like the largest real estate deal I could
ever be involved in,” Trump said, according to one source with knowledge
of the conversation.Sad, no integrity, among these reality show
Senator Hatch is the lead apologist for the appalling Mr. Trump.
We've learned to know more about each of them by the company they keep.
From the piece...I don't want to take credit for it...I want to
take credit for it.My comment...No wonder these two
got/get/will continue to get along so well.From the piece... Mr. Hatch stayed committed to the reality show host even after Americans
found out what the reality show host really thinks about women.My
commentThere are many deal breakers for me with regard to the
reality show host, however that disclosure might be at the top of the list.Thanks DN , for providing so many examples, in the piece, of why Mr.
Hatch should retire.Thanks DN, for defining the close relationship
Mr.Hatch has with the reality show host.Hopefully this information
will aid voters in helping Mr. Hatch ease into retirement.
Hatch and Bishop: career politicians from the 1970's; Trump beat both
parties last November.