Behind the scenes: How Hatch's loyalty pushed Trump to undo Bears Ears

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  • JBs Logan, UT
    Dec. 4, 2017 3:18 p.m.

    From what I've seen, Mr. Trump views loyalty as taking on his views and not asking questions. Senator Hatch is apparently okay with that. Unfortunately, many in Trump's circle have learned that loyalty is a one-way street when dealing with him. Watch your back, Orrin.

  • OHBU Columbus, OH
    Dec. 4, 2017 1:08 p.m.

    Ends justify the means, right? I mean, all Hatch had to do was completely compromise all of his morals to support Donald Trump, and as a result he was able to potentially destroy some public lands.

    Win - win

  • Light and Liberty St George, UT
    Dec. 4, 2017 8:30 a.m.

    Ann Nolan: 'Seeing as Native Americans were the original owners of this land.' Ann, may I ask where is there deed? Perhaps we need to contact some 'indigenous' natives from South America, Mesopotamia, or Africa to see if they fled the Americas because of being run off by descendants of the current Native Americans? I am certain if we go back far enough, I can prove what I am just stating? So, can we just stop the nonsense about the who really owns this land? I would hate see the conflict from the literally hundreds of tribes that would result if, in fact, they were all given the North American deed and then told them to divide it up, of course, without using that deed since they didn't believe in such a thing anyway!

  • MPeace Provo, Utah
    Nov. 30, 2017 8:46 p.m.

    The Geocommunicator is what needs Restored again With GPS Co-Ordinates so all those hiking on BLM and other Lands can know what they are on, whether Private, BLM, National Park, National Monument, Wilderness, Military Reservation, or Whatever so they do not get into trouble for not knowing what they are on. President Obama Eliminated that Essential Tool December of Last Year. That Navigator they have in now on the BLM site now tells an avid outdoorsperson -Nothing. The Geocommunicator was started under President Clinton, and Improved to show all reservations of land under President Bush, then partially destroyed when President Obama came into office, finished in destruction during President Obama's Terms, with the Compete Elimination of it at the end of his Term in December of 2016.
    It needs to be re-instated again with up to date land information like it was proceeding President Obama's Administration.
    Only those that like to illegally trespass on lands should object to the re-instatement. There should be none that enjoy the felony of trespassing on lands.

  • Carl Behle Ocean Shors, WA
    Nov. 29, 2017 12:16 p.m.

    It is time for Senator Hatch to step down, Trump is a embarrassment to our country.

  • ssev Maple Grove, MN
    June 13, 2017 12:09 a.m.

    “Hatch says he hopes the executive order will eventually lead to access to what he calls ‘environmentally sound coal’ on what is now the Grand Staircase monument. …”

    There is no such thing as “environmentally sound coal.” Coal spits out toxins and pollutants. The waste from coal can’t be buried or dumped into rivers, without destroying the environment. Coal mining jobs for the economically oppressed constitute a form of human slavery at the hands of the coal companies profiting off the back of their workers. “Clean coal” is a myth.

  • UtahBlueDevil Durham, NC
    May 11, 2017 7:46 a.m.

    "The NYT needs to learn that legislation comes from the Congress to the President; not the other way. If the Congress is in gridlock or is just a collective bunch of deadbeats, there are limited options of what a President can do to fix or move them."

    And yet just 5 short months ago this didn't seem to be true - it was all Obama's fault - and congress was just trying to do their best - but Obama was holding them back. Now... evidently there has been a rapture in the galaxies logic and now it is the other way around. The President is powerless and Congress is all to blame - even though they are all in the same party.

    Go figure. Talk about not taking ownership of your own situation.

  • Salty lake tribulation Layton, UT
    May 9, 2017 3:44 p.m.

    Salty comment board

  • UtahTroutStalker Draper, UT
    May 9, 2017 12:48 p.m.

    I am so glad that Senator Hatch is here to teach Native Americans what they don't understand about the Bears Ears.

    Maybe he can tell my mother what she doesn't know about beating breast cancer.

    Maybe he can illuminate women about the facts of their menstrual cycle.

    Please Orin....teach us all that we do not know.

  • UtahTroutStalker Draper, UT
    May 9, 2017 12:45 p.m.

    @Sheep Hunter - Bountiful, UT

    "We are 100 Percent opposed to 3.2 Million more acres being turned into a national Park, which means NO HUNTING."

    Grand Staircase and Bears Ears are not National Parks. Hunting and fishing is still allowed on them. Hunters and Fishers need to work to protect and preserve. Drive up to Lake Caynon, Lake and on your way look at all the oil pumps, sludge, and debris. Not the pristine land I or others would want to hunt or fish on.

    You are on the wrong side on this one. They just don't like it when people shoot high powered rifles near natural gas wells my friend.

  • Sheep Hunter Bountiful, UT
    May 7, 2017 1:22 p.m.

    Theses are spectacular Federal lands, and they will stay in federal ownership.

    the question is, how should these lands be managed:

    multiple Use conservation?

    National Monuments?

    National Parks?

    From the 10 Million hunters in America, and the 125,00 Utah hunters, we know that 30 years ago, there was hardly any wildlife in these lands - Bears Ears, or Grand Staircase.

    Over the last 25 years, hunters and the state of Utah have invested tens of millions of $$ to restore habitats, water development, and transplant herds of elk, deer, bison, antelope, cougar, bear, desert bighorn sheep and wild turkeys into the area.

    the General Public, environmental groups or native American's have contributed very little, if any $$ to these restoration efforts.

    Hunters are proud to restore game herds for all to enjoy, and pay for the future management and protection of the habitats and herds.

    We are 100 Percent opposed to 3.2 Million more acres being turned into a national Park, which means NO HUNTING.

    All five of the Utah NPs started as Monuments.

    Thanks Orrin Hatch, a true warrior, and elder Statesman who get things done for Utah! Trump won majority vote in 3,300 counties. HRC 300

  • rmwarnick Draper, UT
    May 7, 2017 11:44 a.m.

    Utah politicians have only themselves to blame. They have stonewalled against wilderness legislation for three decades, which means national monuments are the only way to protect our public lands. If the Utah congressional delegation had been willing to listen to their own constituents, these issues could have been resolved locally long ago. But our so-called representatives have sided with industry against the people.

  • Utah_Happyman Orem, UT
    May 7, 2017 8:43 a.m.

    Hatch made a deal with the devil. The Utah legislature and Herbert are in sync with with him. Very sad. These people are only in politics for the power and greed. Character should count.

  • Constitution Defender Phoenix, AZ
    May 6, 2017 9:52 p.m.

    dustman - Gallup, NM
    You have been mislead and misinformed by politicians. Once U.S./State citizenship is achieved, neither Congress/State legislatures, Presidents/Governors, Initiatives or Referendums have any Constitutional authority to make a select group of U.S./State citizens distinguishable because of their "Indian ancestry/race!"
    You have provided no Amendments to the Constitution to change/make distinguishable their U.S./State citizenship.
    Read these two SCOTUS decisions on the definition of U.S./State citizenship.
    United States Supreme Court AFROYIM v. RUSK, (1967) No. 456 Argued: February 20, 1967 Decided: May 29, 1967
    United States Supreme Court OSBORN v. BANK OF U.S., (1824) No. 80
    Argued: Decided: March 19, 1824

  • Ann Nolan Sandy, UT
    May 6, 2017 6:35 p.m.

    Water rocket, you may be a descendant of those that practiced Mormonism but I am a descendant of Sitting Bull, Crazy Horse and Quanah Park, those that protected the land cherished it, and respected it. Seeing as Native Americans were the original owners of this land and not the US federal Government nor the Mormons, I don't see how either one has a right to it.

  • dustman Gallup, NM
    May 6, 2017 5:02 p.m.

    @Constitutional Defender

    The1924 Indian Citizenship Act does not state that all previous agreements between the federal government and the tribes are no longer in effect with the passage of the Act. The Act simply states that all Indians born within the territorial boundaries of the US are citizens.

    It also states that "...the granting of such citizenship shall not in any manner impair or otherwise affect the right of any Indian to tribal or other property." Indian lands are federal lands, but held in reserve and trust for the use of Indian people. Trust status is very hard to overcome, as the government must always act in the best interest for tribes and their land.

    Lastly, Indian is a political status. The relationship between tribes and the federal government is a government-to-government relationship. Any rights, privileges, and programs designated to Indian people has nothing to do with their race, but has everything to do with their membership with their tribe, a political entity/sovereign nation. Race has nothing to do with it.

    The US does not make treaties with a race of people. The US makes treaties with recognized sovereign nations.

  • Dumfounded Cedar City, UT
    May 6, 2017 4:13 p.m.

    I wrote the comments, must not have been done just right. I believe residents in Utah should look into history, back to the enabling act which let Utah into the union. That act spelled out what land would belong to residents in Utah and which would be held by the federal gov't (people from the whole union). It also required some land users give up any claim of the land to the federal gov,t. Utah should not be able to be get something back they never held. I have not be able to find any document which show ownership to any of the federal lands now shown as federal land. Records held by county recorders office shows the land in question never was in ownership of the State of Utah. the land should be left as it is. Ranchers, developers, important people etc should never be given any type of ownership. Mr. ( and I use that very loose) Hatch should have been removed from office when he became incapable, about 40 years ago. Bears ears should be a national monument as it presently exists. CAN'T GET BACK WHAT YOU NEVER OWNED.

  • Dumfounded Cedar City, UT
    May 6, 2017 3:22 p.m.

    I don't understand the State of Utah getting back the land. First if you look at document allowing Utah to become a State. There somethings that had to be agreed on at that time. I am not able to find documentation ever giving the State of Utah the federal land. That land is in the ownership of the federal gov't where it was retained for the benefits for all people no just the cattlemen or locale gov't or other well healed citizens who see a chance to steal it from the people (Federal Gov't). Tell me what you think. Hatch should have been removed before he became incapable.

  • water rocket Magna, UT
    May 6, 2017 2:32 p.m.

    I am the descendant of Mormon pioneers. The nations founding fathers held that the government should not be in the business of owning land (that is a fact!). When the territory of Deseret was being considered for statehood, the federal government carved it up so that the "Mormons" wouldn't have too much political influence, and then demanded they give up most of the land to federal control. In other words, they were forced by unprincipled politicians in Washington DC to accept what ever the feds demanded, or remain under dictatorial territorial directorship, by appointment. The anti Mormon discrimination that even persists to this day still influences decisions that affect Utah and other western states.

    I like open access to what we refer to as "public lands" and over the years, I have seen the feds place restriction upon restriction on these lands. I am all for elimination of the Antiquities Act, and rescinding the Bears Ears and Grand Staircase national monuments. All they are is monuments to the Washington based environmental groups, who really don't care one whit about Utah, or its citizens.

  • Constitution Defender Phoenix, AZ
    May 6, 2017 1:39 p.m.

    The Indian Citizenship Act of 1924 made moot all previous common law-state and federal-including Presidential Executive Orders, Commerce Clause and Treaty Clause.

    The United States Constitution makes for no provisions for:
    1.Indian sovereign nations.
    2.Treaties with its own constituency
    3.Indian reservations, with rare exception, is land owned by the People of the United States according to federal documents readily available on-line.
    4. There is no Constitution/international recognition of “Indian citizenship."
    5. Politicians are duping non-Indian citizens
    A simple question for politicians and MSM to answer…a question so simple, it is hard:
    “Where is the proclamation ratified by 1/3rd of the voters of the United States that amends the Constitution to make the health, welfare, safety and benefits of a select group of U.S./State citizens distinguishable because of their “Indian ancestry/race?”

  • Doug10 Roosevelt, UT
    May 6, 2017 9:34 a.m.

    first you abhor,
    then you tolerate
    then you embrace

  • dustman Gallup, NM
    May 6, 2017 8:14 a.m.

    The state is destroying itself. We allow companies to come in and tear apart our landscape. Kennecott mine is on its way to tear down the mountain between Tooele and Salt Lake City. Thank goodness they're closed right now for repairs. The state allows this without any regard to the environment. For a state full of hunters they don't seem to care what this does to deer and elk migration patterns. Now they want to open up Bears Ears to oil and Gas extraction. Bishop straight up said he wants this open for mining. Ain't nothing in Utah sacred unless a man builds it in Utah. Gods creations are only obstacles to progress I guess. We need to wake up and stop helping our elected servants line their donor's pockets right before reelection. Our elected politicians sold out, but the people of Utah cannot sell out.

  • BrentBot Salt Lake City, UT
    May 6, 2017 8:11 a.m.

    Trump's offensive comments were done when he was a Democrat and was under the influence of the Hollywood elite. He has matured since then.

  • dustman Gallup, NM
    May 6, 2017 8:04 a.m.

    At some point someone must address Hatch's Alzheimer's and it's affect on his work. Everybody in DC knows he has a problem, but Utah is all hush hush about it. We can not have our legislators making decisions when they're not at a mental capacity to do so.

  • Furry1993 Ogden, UT
    May 6, 2017 7:42 a.m.

    @banliberals - May 5, 2017 4:40 p.m.

    All of these people who live outside of Utah love Obama ears!

    I live inside Utah. I am one of he majority of people in Utah that want Bears Ears to continue as a national monument.


    If you love it so much donate a 20 million acres from your own state before you take 20 from us, comrades!

    The land in Bars Ears was never "ours". In the Enabling Act establishing the State of Utah, Utah forever disclaimed (gave up) any right, title and interest in any land within the Utah boundaries which had not specifically been granted by the federal government to Utah. The land within Bears Ears remains as it has always been -- property of all the citizens of the United States. It needs remain as such for perpetuity.

  • byronbca Salt Lake City, UT
    May 6, 2017 7:30 a.m.

    In college I remember seeing a graph that showed Hatch was one of America's most moderate Senators, but that was pre tea party and pre Obama. What happened to Hatch?

    Now he seems to be leading the crazy train towards an America supported by pillars of protectionism, neo-fascism, and nationalistic propaganda, that cares only for the interests of the wealthy.

  • ute alumni SLC, UT
    May 6, 2017 5:26 a.m.

    Thx Orrin. Keep the Feds' hands off of Utah

  • DN Subscriber Cottonwood Heights, UT
    May 5, 2017 9:42 p.m.

    Looks like the story left out the mandatory tag line for all campaign ads:
    "I'm Orrin Hatch and I approved this ad."

    This is hardly journalism as much as cronyism with a political campaign already in full swing (or never shut down from the last one.

    Although barely mentioned in the story, Hatch is but one of many people opposed to the Antiquities Act land grab, but now that there is a parade, Hatch has jumped out in front and takes credit for starting it.

    Hatch is right in his actions in this case, but wrong to claim nearly exclusive credit for any roll back.

  • fatherof7 Phelan, CA
    May 5, 2017 6:58 p.m.

    Good to have someone who combines common sense with a stiff spine to represent Utah. Hope Hatch runs again.

  • UncleArtie Brigham City, UT
    May 5, 2017 6:52 p.m.

    Dear DN:

    Please do me a favor and give the NYT a lesson on the US Constitution. Specifically, address this quote: "the New York Times has declared the most ineffectual 100 days in modern political history, with no significant legislation passed."

    The NYT needs to learn that legislation comes from the Congress to the President; not the other way. If the Congress is in gridlock or is just a collective bunch of deadbeats, there are limited options of what a President can do to fix or move them.

  • parryj Provo, UT
    May 5, 2017 5:12 p.m.

    The election of Donald Trump to the highest political office in the US represents for me the lowest point--morally, politically--we've ever fallen to in our nation's history. Sen. Hatch's faithful support of Mr. Trump's campaign and election also represent for me the lowest point we've fallen to in the State of Utah.

  • JBs Logan, UT
    May 5, 2017 4:56 p.m.

    This is exactly why Hatch needs to go. And Trump is no outsider. He may not have been in Washington, but he knows how the game is played and he's playing it to the hilt. Of course
    gamesmanship is what Hatch has been doing all these decades, when what we needed was statesmanship and true leadership. Hatch and Trump are well-suited and they deserve each other.

  • banliberals SLC, UT
    May 5, 2017 4:40 p.m.

    All of these people who live outside of Utah love Obama ears! If you love it so much donate a 20 million acres from your own state before you take 20 from us, comrades!

    I like how the reporter calls Evan McMullin a moonshot candidate, perfect!

    May 5, 2017 4:30 p.m.

    Observer is correct. Many of the major U.S. National Parks evolved from National Monuments that were created from the Antiquities Act. It was then and is still legal. It was only a few months ago that Hatch stood side by side with Governor Herbert and bragged about the 8.1 billion dollars that tourism brought in to Utah last year. Then he turns around a tries to eliminate some of the source of this money. A classic case of a politician talking out of both sides of his mouth.
    Sen. Hatch, you are not representing the majority of people of Utah on the Bear's Ears issue. I am personally disappointed in you for sacrificing your personal standards to grovel to the head alligator in the swamp on the Bears Ears issue.

  • cjb Bountiful, UT
    May 5, 2017 4:30 p.m.

    Senator Hatch really came through on this one. Of course thanks to President Trump too.

    Yes I would vote for Senator Hatch again. I don't quite understand why he would want to. Hasn't he ever heard of taking it easy and relaxing or traveling?

  • Tumbleweed Centerville, UT
    May 5, 2017 3:58 p.m.

    Hatch has done a tremendous amount of good in some of the most adverse circumstances. If he decides to run again, I'm all for him.

  • Impartial7 DRAPER, UT
    May 5, 2017 3:50 p.m.

    Anyone that hitches their wagon to vulgar Trump, deserves to face political ruin when Trump goes down in flames. Just watch how many rats flee the sinking ship when it happens.

  • one old man Ogden, UT
    May 5, 2017 3:47 p.m.

    One more reason for Utah voters to make certain Hatch is sent out to pasture in the next election.

  • observator east of the snake river, ID
    May 5, 2017 3:41 p.m.

    "Five of the most visited national parks — including the Grand Canyon, Zion and Grand Teton in Idaho — were first protected using the Antiquities Act."

    umm...Grand Teton Nat'l Park is in Wyoming, not Idaho. Might want to check that...

  • homers Provo, UT
    May 5, 2017 2:27 p.m.

    It is interesting how apoplectic people are over this. I think Hatch is good example of taking any bad situation and seeing what good he can make of it. People are angry about the possibility that the monument may be rescinded or modified. I would invite these people to read the Antiquities Act and then try to square what Presidents Clinton, Obama and Bush II did with that loan of authority from Congress. At best it was a clear over-reach and at worst a violation of the law. We are, after all, a nation of laws. People are angry that Hatch is working with Trump. I suppose they want Hatch to ignore Trump, call him names, or grouse about Trump's conduct. Hatch condemned Trump's personal conduct when it came to light. Hatch first endorsed Bush, secondly, he endorsed Rubio, and finally supported Trump when it became clear that he was going to be the nominee and that the Democrat nominee was flawed and perhaps more legally troubling than Trump. So he supported Trump and now is going to work with him to accomplish some good things. He's getting things done while guys like Mike Lee are left without any influence. I, for one, hope runs again. He has my vote because he delivers.

  • Craig Clark Boulder, CO
    May 5, 2017 2:21 p.m.

    Describing use of the Antiquities Act to preserve public land as an ‘abuse’ is revealing as to the mindset of someone maneuvering to rescind the designation. Don't be fooled by Hatch. He can be very cunning.

  • UtahBlueDevil Durham, NC
    May 5, 2017 1:01 p.m.

    As a long time Hatch supporter, I feel it will be an honor to work against his political carrier if he chooses to go for reelection. Not only has Hatch said he is not going to go against his promise, he has lowered his morals and standards beneath what I feel Utah deserves to represent the state. There are plenty of good Republicans that can represent the state of Utah... it just doesn't need to be Hatch any longer.

  • Silver Stingray St George, UT
    May 5, 2017 12:42 p.m.

    So much for Senator Hatch's "principles."

  • Stringer Bell Henderson, NV
    May 5, 2017 12:38 p.m.

    "Return it to the people". Do people actually believe this? Rhetorical question, of course they do. They keep electing him. Shameful.

  • Prometheus Platypus Orem, UT
    May 5, 2017 12:26 p.m.

    So Hatch starts off right away lying to make him and Utah... victims or "picked on."
    Hatch then said the designation, one in what Hatch saw as a long history of federal land grabs throughout the West, would greatly restrict the way cattle ranchers, Native Americans and others in San Juan and surrounding counties could use the land, possibly cutting them off from grazing rights, coal extraction or simply gathering firewood.

    Which has been proven wrong over and over, but hey who needs honesty when the dear leader doesn't have to be honest.

    Then the motivator for the new greedy developer POTUS.
    “It sounds like the largest real estate deal I could ever be involved in,” Trump said, according to one source with knowledge of the conversation.

    Sad, no integrity, among these reality show politicians.

  • stevo123 Driggs, ID
    May 5, 2017 12:22 p.m.

    Senator Hatch is the lead apologist for the appalling Mr. Trump.

  • Hutterite American Fork, UT
    May 5, 2017 11:55 a.m.

    We've learned to know more about each of them by the company they keep.

  • There You Go Again St George, UT
    May 5, 2017 11:48 a.m.

    From the piece...

    I don't want to take credit for it...I want to take credit for it.

    My comment...

    No wonder these two got/get/will continue to get along so well.

    From the piece...

    Mr. Hatch stayed committed to the reality show host even after Americans found out what the reality show host really thinks about women.

    My comment

    There are many deal breakers for me with regard to the reality show host, however that disclosure might be at the top of the list.

    Thanks DN , for providing so many examples, in the piece, of why Mr. Hatch should retire.

    Thanks DN, for defining the close relationship Mr.Hatch has with the reality show host.

    Hopefully this information will aid voters in helping Mr. Hatch ease into retirement.

  • christoph Brigham City, UT
    May 5, 2017 11:39 a.m.

    Hatch and Bishop: career politicians from the 1970's; Trump beat both parties last November.